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Bill Gates Says We Need More Entrepreneurs Like Elon Musk To Take on Climate Change (cnbc.com) 192

Bill Gates said the world needs more entrepreneurs like Elon Musk to take on climate change. In an interview with CNBC, he said: I think what Elon's done with Tesla is fantastic. It's, you know, probably the biggest single contribution to showing us that electric cars are part of how we solve climate change. We need a lot of Elon Musks, including... ones who work on these super hard categories. [...] Elon's done a carbon capture prize, which is an amazing thing. I think he should be very proud of what he's done.
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Bill Gates Says We Need More Entrepreneurs Like Elon Musk To Take on Climate Change

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  • Except . . . (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:04PM (#61076792)

    If they could get Musk to stay the frack away from the gigantic energy suck of Bitcoin it would help.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by alvinrod ( 889928 )
      I don't think he's mining any himself or with Tesla's resources, so he's not really contributing to the energy use, outside of arguments that by purchasing Bitcoin he's helping to fuel the demand for mining it.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        bitcoin transfers are facilitated by mining which is the source of the power draw.

        • Yes, but he'd only be responsible for the energy used in the transfers required as a part of his transactions. If he sits on all of those Bitcoins no additional energy is used on them. You could even make an argument that if he views them as a long term investment that less energy will be used in the long term if they aren't being transferred as frequently as they otherwise would have been.
        • Re: Except . . . (Score:5, Insightful)

          by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:33PM (#61076944)

          Transfers themselves involve a shitton of computing with everyone syncing ther wallets to the blockchain. Also, there are no bitcoins to buy without paying somebody's "mining".

      • Or better yet, follow in the steps of his car company's namesake and come up with a means of renewable energy that can solve the world's energy problems and get us off fossil fuels while not leaving us with large quantities of heavy metals and other toxins being dumped into landfills like his car batteries are
        • What? Tesla didn't invent "a means of renewable energy that can solve the world's energy problems and get us off fossil fuels while not leaving us with large quantities of heavy metals and other toxins being dumped into landfills".

        • Re:Except . . . (Score:4, Interesting)

          by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot@worf.ERDOSnet minus math_god> on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:13PM (#61077402)

          large quantities of heavy metals and other toxins being dumped into landfills like his car batteries are

          Li-Ion batteries can be easily recycled. There are many US companies that do it. In fact, the problem the companies have is getting the raw input (used batteries) which is limiting the reach of the recycling.

          And even older batteries are finding new life in the "reuse" category in things like home battery storage - the batteries may not be good enough for vehicles, but home storage can certainly reuse them. And reuse is better than recycling. (It's Reduce, Reuse, and then Recycle).

          Battery recycling is a thing - and while primary cell recycling is mostly a joke, secondary cell recycling is actually quite doable. The car lead-acid battery is about 99% recovered these days, and consumer Li-Ion and Li-Poly has an extremely high recovery rate - all the toxic parts are recouped, it's only things like the plastic pouches and such that are difficult.

          • And only sell rechargeable and reusable batteries only.

          • > Li-Ion batteries can be easily recycled. There are many US companies that do it. In fact, the problem the companies have is getting the raw input (used batteries) which is limiting the reach of the recycling.
            So what happens when nobody in 10 years time wants LiIon batteries because theres some new battery ?

            Yeh we all know recycling works, thats why theres no plastic in the oceans.
        • Yeh because the components of batteries consume absolutely no oil. The reason batteries for cars cost thousands is not pure profit but a large component is to pay for the oil that runs those big machines ata the mines.
      • outside of arguments that by purchasing Bitcoin he's helping to fuel the demand for mining it.

        You seem to be implying that this isn't an obviously valid argument.

        Of course he is fueling demand for mining.

        If people stopped buying bitcoins, the price would collapse, and the mining would stop.

    • If they could get Musk to stay the frack away from the gigantic energy suck of Bitcoin it would help.

      I agree. If he wanted to invest into digital currencies, fine. But there are alternatives that don't have the energy cost of a whole nation associated with them. Nano for example, does not have the computationally expensive crypto concept that slows down the entire network and is a waste of resources.

    • to stop attacking public transportation. Look into Hyperloop, it's a scam to derail (pun intended) high speed rail.
    • People to tell Billy boy to STFU! The silly little Eugenicist! What a waste of human SP3RM he is!
  • by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:06PM (#61076798)

    I thought Musk had been annoyed by Gates in the past. Sounds like Gates wants to mend fences or something. But he's not wrong.

    • Who knows whether the feeling is mutual?

      As for Musk, he does get stuff done, but I'm very glad he's working on electric cars instead of, say, ruling Italy with an iron fist or whatever else this type of guy might do for fun.

    • Gates just wants to hitch a ride to Mars.

    • Read "mend feces". Thought of that South Park episode with Bono (a Musk-alike). Was not surprised. :)

    • They should spend more time educating the masses to take personal responsibility for their own usage where ever possible
    • Maybe Gates is trying to annoy Musk even more. Annoying people seems to be what he does best.

    • Gates is probably pointing out that Musk is doing the mildly easy stuff: engaging in businesses that will definitely be profitable, the only challenge he takes on is "not next year" and "heavy investment", which most investors are allergic to.

      Climate change is the "heavy investment" and probably "not for profit" category that isn't so interesting in its yacht potential.

    • He has, because Gates has trashed Tesla in the past.

      The rumor was that Gates had a sizeable short position on TSLA. Base on these comments I am guessing he converted that to long.
  • One Elon Musk... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by leptons ( 891340 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:07PM (#61076810)
    One Elon Musk is probably one too many Elon Musks
  • How much does the recent bitcoin investment reverse what has been done?

  • by wooppp ( 921578 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:18PM (#61076870) Journal
    Musk does what he does for his own pleasure. So happens one of his toys fits the climate change bill. That's all.
    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      Yeah, wouldn't exactly call SpaceX "Eco Friendly". Each one of his rocket launches is probably generating enough CO2 to displace the environmental benefit of a 100 electric cars.

      • by Geoffrey.landis ( 926948 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @02:01PM (#61077112) Homepage

        Each one of his rocket launches is probably generating enough CO2 to displace the environmental benefit of a 100 electric cars.

        Since there are 280 million cars in the US, that number is so trivial as to be negligible.

        To make any difference, carbon emissions have to be measured against the background of 35 billion tons per year. Even if he ramped up to a million flights per year, the CO2 emissions would still be too low to notice on a graph of carbon emissions.

        It's hard to visualize the incredible magnitude of fossil fuel consumption in the US.

        • Each Falcon 9 launch should give in the order of 300 -500 ton of CO2. The products of burning RP1 are mainly CO2 and H2O, but I don't know the ratio. Methane used in his Starship has more H per C in the molecules, and they produces relatively less CO2.
    • ....that there happen to be hundreds of thousands of. And has spurred all other major automakers to follow suit.

    • I think he does what he does with an eye towards Mars. Most of his business ventures seem to be geared towards that planet rather than this one. Given that internal combustion engines are a non-starter (ha!) on Mars, transportation will need to be electric. The Boring Company also makes more sense on Mars than Earth: inhabitants will likely need to live underground to avoid radiation.

      He seems to be in the business of developing technologies needed for colonizing Mars, and financing them by selling them as c

  • nah (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hugh Jorgen ( 4906427 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:19PM (#61076874)
    Truth is we need fewer people on earth and the demands they put on the earth and its precious natural resources.
    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Let me guess, you're invested in shovel factories and cemeteries, right?

      • Nah, he just works at the Mechazilla factory.

      • No. Condoms.
        (Though, RISUG is much mich better, and almost perfect.)

        Because it's literally all it takes to stop almost all our problems on this planet. Climate change, environmental destruction, meat factories, resource wars, world hunger, the growing anonymization and hence sociopathy and sociopathic capitalism, you name it.

        But interesting, that the first thing your mind jumps to, is mass-murder. So you are that kind of person?
        Let't test this: when I said RISUG, did you assume involuntary ... or voluntary

        • Re: nah (Score:5, Interesting)

          by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Thursday February 18, 2021 @02:32PM (#61077216)

          The first thing that jumped to my mind is, "What is RISUG?"

          There's one way that we're going to see a population reduction in our lifetimes, and that's mass death of hundreds of millions (or more). Not sure how you're going to convince that many people to off themselves.

          Of course there's the feel-good solution of "give everyone more education and a Western standard of living and birth rates fall". That's all well and good, until you realize that more than half of the population of the planet lives on less than $10/day. I'm not sure there is enough farmland on the planet to grow enough cotton to give them all two changes of clothing, sheets, blankets, curtains, and upholstered furniture in the next decade. Then there's the meat question, of course everyone could be vegetarians but that's not the "western standard of living" as commonly envisioned by the majority of the world. There also aren't enough cement factories in the world to give people modern housing, and that contributes 15+ percent of anthropogenic CO2 already. The deeper you look the worse it gets.

          Which family uses less resources? The family of 3 living in a modern house, cooking with gas or electricity, eating meat several times a week, heating or cooling their home, traveling in private vehicles, or the dirt poor farming family of 10?

        • It actually wouldn't help much, see above post:

          https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]

        • No. Condoms. (Though, RISUG is much mich better, and almost perfect.)

          Because it's literally all it takes to stop almost all our problems on this planet. Climate change, environmental destruction, meat factories, resource wars, world hunger, the growing anonymization and hence sociopathy and sociopathic capitalism, you name it.

          Well, I guess leave it to the left to go even further left....you now have Ecosexuals [ladbible.com] who don't believe in using condoms, as that they pollute the earth.

          So...back to square one?

    • You're free to checkout any time you'd like.

      Odd that people who are always banging on about wanting fewer people on the planet never seem to volunteer to be part of the fewer.
      • You're free to checkout any time you'd like.

        ...but you can never leave.

        Odd that people who are always banging on about wanting fewer people on the planet never seem to volunteer to be part of the fewer.

        Odd that the neocon fanatics who hear the phrase "reduce the population" always jump to "let's kill people" rather than "ok, let's reduce the birth rate."

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      And esp fewer people like Musk and Gates, who are VERY expensive little media icons to maintain. They are modern white elephants.. societies show off by having them, but they really suck down resources to keep.
    • Wouldn't help much:

      https://www.wired.com/story/op... [wired.com]

      Most of the damage to the climate was done with a fraction of Earth's current population.

  • Elon was commencement speaker at Caltech years ago; you definitely do not receive that honor if you're run-of-the-mill...
  • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:31PM (#61076938)

    are good.

    News at 11.

    Yes, Bill, you feel remorse for everything you did.
    And yes, you probably believe Musk is more than just somebody who exchanges money for attention and more money to turn inti more attention.

    Fact is though, people only listen to you, Bill, because they want your money.

    • +1 insightful
    • Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

      • Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

        Is Gates a wise man? He just bought DOS, hired developer to put Microsoft on it and licensed it to IBM. Is every reseller a “wise” man?

  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:44PM (#61077028)

    Each planet only gets one Avengers team, and each Avengers Team only get one Tony Stark.

    Actually you know what? Let's play a fun game.

    Let's assume that Elon Musk is Tony Stark, because of the obvious money + technology companies similarity and let's throw the "I don't give a fuck what others think, I know I'm right" attitude into the mix too.

    Which Avengers character would Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, etc. be, and why?

  • Oh really? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by haraldm ( 643017 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:51PM (#61077068)
    It's only that Tesla earned most of their 2020 revenue by selling CO2 emission certificates to other auto makers so that they can greenwash their monster SUVs, and that he then put a good part of the earned money in Bitcoin of all investments, which uses abundances of energy to feed a couple of gamblers and which is pretty useless as a currency for everyday payment. Very environment. #facepalm
    • Re:Oh really? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:04PM (#61077364) Journal
      There's still a healthy margin on their cars, more than other automakers have. They could probably run profitably by now without these subsidies (estimates for the first half of 2020 put the revenue from emission rights at about the same figure as their operating profit)

      But to me the biggest deal is that Tesla led the way in making electrical cars that are not just practical, but desirable. They are also putting a lot of work in the details. Maybe not the fit and finish (still having occasional issues there) but paying close attention to battery conditioning and the car's software, things that many of the other EV makers still don't get right.
    • It actually makes sense when you realize that virtue signaling is Tesla's product. The sell a way for the well-off to feel good about themselves without compromising on the luxuries they've grown accustomed to. We all know it's actually "greener" to just telecommute to work, ride a bike, take public transportation/ride share, or make other lifestyle changes that reduce your carbon footprint.

      Tesla lets you say "fuck that noise", and keep driving a comfortable couch on wheels at 75MPH down the highway, with

    • Tesla received something like 1.4 billion in co2 credits, and showed an overall profit of 0.7 billion.
      But let’s not forget that they have been busily building factories in Berlin, in China, another in the USA, or is it two?
      I don’t see any other company doing that much for the world, actually. Not even close. Various car companies have promised electric cars, now Tesla has shown it’s possible. Would they have done so otherwise? I truly doubt it.
      Yes, Elon is a bit of a dick sometimes. Yes, h

  • Why care (Score:3, Insightful)

    by unixcorn ( 120825 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @02:13PM (#61077146)

    I don't understand why we put so much clout in the words of Bill Gates and the like. I am pretty sure that Gates is no smarter than anyone here, he's just richer. I'm certain he's surrounded himself with smart people that have helped him succeed and that's why we shouldn't take anything he says without a grain of salt.

    • Re:Why care (Score:4, Interesting)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:04PM (#61077360) Journal

      I am pretty sure that Gates is no smarter than anyone here,

      Maybe, but did you get a perfect score on your SAT? He did.

    • Re:Why care (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Thursday February 18, 2021 @05:12PM (#61077824)

      I don't understand why we put so much clout in the words of Bill Gates and the like. I am pretty sure that Gates is no smarter than anyone here, he's just richer.

      Bill gates is considerably smarter than most people here.

      Citation: personal experience. I presented my team's work to him twice while I was at Microsoft. He came across as fearsomely clever. He had deep technical cleverness, and also he had "logical + human" cleverness where he is able to listen to how a team or a person presents their case, and can hone in instantly onto any weak foundations.

      Why can I judge this? In all honesty, I can't. I'm a nerd not a judge of human ability. But I should say that I'm fairly nerd-smart -- I came 2nd in my year for computer science degree at Cambridge, got a PhD in concurrency theory there, created the async/await language feature for C# that was later adopted in many other mainstream languages too like C++). What I presented to him was my PhD area of expertise, concurrency. He understood new theory well enough in the meeting to draw connections, and he understood the implementation impacts at least as well as I'd expect of a senior engineer on the team, and he saw further than many of them about the larger-scale significance.

      I also can't say that Gate's nerd-smartness translates into climate-smartness or vaccine-smartness or third-world-development-smartness. But everything I read from him (and I do read his blog) suggests the same sharp insights there as he applied to when I presented concurrency stuff to him.

      • I was impressed by your insights, until I came to

        > created the async/await language feature for C#

        So you're the bastard that inflicted that upon the world!

        Threading is hard. It goes wrong. It produces nasty unreproduceable errors. To be avoided unless *really* necessary. The only safe way to do threading is by interacting with an ACID database, which is fortunately what most web applications do.

        And you have made it trendy. Every third rate programmer adds as much threading as they can. C# overcomes

        • Bill Gates is the guy who thought the Internet and the WWW wouldn't go anywhere. He was trying to sell MSN back then.
          That would be the future according to Bill Gates. A walled garden network 100% controlled by MS.

          • To be fair, once Gates realized his mistake, he did a quick 180 pivot. He took his best people from other projects and created IE. For a long while IE dominated browsing. It prevented Netscape from growing into a threat.

            c.f. As he was leaving, and Microsoft completely dropped the ball on Mobile, Search and Social. They should have dominated all three. Especially as Apple kept the iphone software to themselves.

    • Bill Gates has always been an arsehole, just ask his employees how nice he was back in his Microsoft days.
  • So.. what he is saying is that we need more rich kids to buy up existing companies and build a lifestyle around them?
  • Those bitcoins tesla just invested in are a huge loss for the environment. The environmental cost of mining and confirming transactions is astronomical.

  • Who the fuck is Bill Gates? I know he has buttloads of money, but how does that make him an authority on, well, everything?

    ...laura

  • What we need is less Bill Gates.
  • Theres nothing green about EV cars or encouraging people to continue to travel stupid big distances.

    Whats going to happen when todays battery technology is worthless in the future from a disposal perspective ?
    Whats going to happen to those lovely toxic components in batteries in countries that dont give a shit about the environment ?
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  • Don't worry everyone, I'm sure Bill Gates's humanitarian actions are at least as ethical as his software empire was!

  • Yup the world needs more billionaires like Musk who suck tens of billions in subsidies, grants and call it whatever you want gifts.
    Musks entire business is built on sucking down public monies, just like Bezos and Branson.
    Just ask all the towns, local gov, and national govs who pay millions and more, and get back basically nothing but a freeloader in their location.

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