Half the UK's Adult Population Has Received at Least One Dose of Covid-19 Vaccine (bbc.com) 237
The BBC reports:
The number of daily Covid-19 vaccine doses administered in the UK has hit a record high for a third consecutive day. A combined total of 844,285 first or second doses were given on Saturday, up from 711,157 on Friday. On Twitter, Prime Minister Boris Johnson thanked "everyone involved".
More than 27.6 million people in the UK — more than half the adult population — have now received at least one dose of a vaccine... Of the vaccinations administered on Saturday, 752,308 were first doses and 91,977 were second, meaning 2,228,772 people in the UK have now been fully vaccinated.
How does that compare to other regions? In the USA — which has roughly five times the UK's population — 81.4 million people have received at least one dose of vaccine, representating about 24.5% of the eligible population. But 41.9 million Americans have been fully vaccinated (according to figures compiled by the Washington Post).
And here's some more figures from the Los Angeles Times, including vaccination stats for the state of California — roughly 60% of the UK's population: The last six days have seen the six highest single-day totals of shots given out statewide, according to data compiled by the Los Angeles Times. During that stretch, roughly 2.35 million doses were administered statewide — including 344,489 on Thursday and 387,015 on Friday... To date, nearly 13.8 million shots have been administered statewide [and] 23.5% of Californians have received at least one vaccine dose — a proportion that ranks 33rd out of all states and U.S. territories, according to data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
By comparison, 31.4% of New Mexico's population has gotten at least one shot, as have 29.6% of Alaskans and 29% of those living in South Dakota. California measures up better compared with more populous states. As of Friday, 24.3% of residents had received one shot in Pennsylvania, 24.2% in New York, 22.2% in Florida and 20.9% in Texas, CDC data show.. Roughly 11.8% of all Californians have been fully vaccinated. California is somewhat ahead of the national curve when it comes to vaccinating its older residents. Roughly 71.9% of residents ages 65 and older have received at least one dose, according to the CDC, compared with the nationwide figure of 67.1%.
More than 27.6 million people in the UK — more than half the adult population — have now received at least one dose of a vaccine... Of the vaccinations administered on Saturday, 752,308 were first doses and 91,977 were second, meaning 2,228,772 people in the UK have now been fully vaccinated.
How does that compare to other regions? In the USA — which has roughly five times the UK's population — 81.4 million people have received at least one dose of vaccine, representating about 24.5% of the eligible population. But 41.9 million Americans have been fully vaccinated (according to figures compiled by the Washington Post).
And here's some more figures from the Los Angeles Times, including vaccination stats for the state of California — roughly 60% of the UK's population: The last six days have seen the six highest single-day totals of shots given out statewide, according to data compiled by the Los Angeles Times. During that stretch, roughly 2.35 million doses were administered statewide — including 344,489 on Thursday and 387,015 on Friday... To date, nearly 13.8 million shots have been administered statewide [and] 23.5% of Californians have received at least one vaccine dose — a proportion that ranks 33rd out of all states and U.S. territories, according to data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
By comparison, 31.4% of New Mexico's population has gotten at least one shot, as have 29.6% of Alaskans and 29% of those living in South Dakota. California measures up better compared with more populous states. As of Friday, 24.3% of residents had received one shot in Pennsylvania, 24.2% in New York, 22.2% in Florida and 20.9% in Texas, CDC data show.. Roughly 11.8% of all Californians have been fully vaccinated. California is somewhat ahead of the national curve when it comes to vaccinating its older residents. Roughly 71.9% of residents ages 65 and older have received at least one dose, according to the CDC, compared with the nationwide figure of 67.1%.
Am I a bad guy? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Insightful)
Only if you refuse vaccination. That would be selfish and irresponsible. Otherwise, you're just unlucky.
My wife and I are both fully vaccinated because we care about the people around us. If you have the opportunity, you should take it.
No, just Canadian (Score:2)
Only if you refuse vaccination. That would be selfish and irresponsible. Otherwise, you're just unlucky.
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Informative)
Are you working from home? Masking and social distancing when you go out? Avoiding mass gatherings?
If yes then you're not a bad guy as far as COVID is concerned.
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or you could simply follow both rules and stop playing poker until this whole pandemic situation is over. Poker is orders of magnitude less important than the lives of other people.
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It's compulsory to play poker in Washington State? If not, why are you playing poker in a pandemic with other people in the same room? Are you a professional poker player?
Re: Am I a bad guy? (Score:2)
Considering it means you donâ(TM)t care about human life other than for yourself, obviously the answer is yes.
Re: Am I a bad guy? (Score:2)
Considering it means you donÃ(TM)t care about human life other than for yourself, obviously the answer is yes.
I'm a bad person through no fault of my own then. You have to be 50 or over to have the shot in my state, unless there is something else going on with you already.
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Informative)
Am I a bad person for not being vaccinated?
Yes, because you can spread it to other people if you catch it.
And kill them.
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Yeah, it's harmless: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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How is it that deaths during the last year are less than deaths in previous years, if this plan-demic is so imminently dangerous?
What "deaths"?
More people staying at home instead of going out and doing risky things?
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More US citizens have been killed by this disease than by the Germans and Japanese combined in World War 2.
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Actually, the whole point of it is to convey immunity, and it is proven to reduce the chances of infecting others.
You really should stop looking at Facefuck.
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File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Probably better to file it under "Complete stupidity and ignorance".
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That's a fair assessment, but the term becomes ambiguous.
The kind of "immunity" that mRNA vaccines give you is that they prevent you from getting seriously ill (or in many cases, having any symptoms at all). We do not yet have any reason to believe that they can prevent you from being a carrier until your own immune system has actually learned to fight off and eliminate the virus. This is what I have been cautioning people about.
Conve
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The so-called evidence that Moderna and Pfizer actually prevent transmission of COVID19 is so far only anecdotal, and hasn't withstood any actual study.
Incorrect. [thelancet.com]
At the moment, we have no scientifically reputable evidence that it actually reduces the likelihood of asymptomatic transmission at all.
There's a study out of Cambridge [cam.ac.uk] showing a strong likelihood that the Pfi
You're mostly not a bad guy (Score:5, Informative)
At the moment the vaccine rollout is supply-constrained, so by not getting a vaccine when offered you are giving up your place in the line.
Once the vaccines are no longer supply-constrained, then you will mostly be putting yourself at additional risk by not being vaccinated, but you will also put others at a small additional risk by volunteering to be a host for SARS-CoV-2, with the associated risks:
. Passing it on to someone who is unable to be vaccinated (directly or indirectly via your onward infection chain).
. Acting as a host in which the virus gains an advantageous mutation.
If you don't get the vaccine then at some point you will very likely be infected with SARS-CoV-2, it seems pretty clear looking at the data which is more risky (by a large margin), so I decided to go for a vaccination.
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Do you want to be vaccinated?
There is a real danger here that people who are either waiting to be vaccinated or who can't be for medical reasons will be unfairly disadvantaged.
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Chance of death ~0.5%, chance of getting long covid may be as high as 10%. My workmate got Covid roughly 11-12 months ago and still has long Covid now, he's gone from super-fit to can barely walk round the block.
That is why I've taken the vaccine. Ok, I'd also not want to attend the funeral of some-one who I infected and they died, that would suck bad.
And about that blood clot nonsense, great job politicians in scaring people for no good reason, COVID is literally 2500x times more likely to kill you than a
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Depends.
Did you just not get it because you are still waiting in the Queue? No, You are not a bad person, you are patiently waiting your turn, very British.
Did you just not get it because your Doctor says you have conditions where it may not be a good idea? No, you are following your doctors advice.
Did you not get it because you just didn't get around to getting it? No, you may be lazy or procrastinating perhaps a bit fearful but not necessarily a bad person.
Did you not get it because you figure if you catc
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The same thing happens even if you *ARE* vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine.
In fact, one could argue that it's even more likely with the mRNA vaccines, because their efficacy is in keeping you from getting seriously sick, so you are correspondingly less likely to even be aware you are
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Informative)
By getting vaccinated you reduce the chance of getting Covid-19 and passing it on to others. Thus the chain of infections are broken and people stop being killed or being long Covid [england.nhs.uk] affected.
The vaccines are safe, the risk of it killing you is tiny, much less than the risk of dying through catching Covid and dying as a result.
Re: Am I a bad guy? (Score:3)
getting vaccinated you reduce the chance of getting Covid-19 and passing it on to others
The "jury" is still out on these claims. The most recent data suggests it's true for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, but so far nobody is making a strong statement regarding the J&J or Astra Zenica one. What is certain is that they reduce symptoms, and almost completely eliminate deaths, but since nobody is conducting regular testing of vaccinated people we still don't have hard evidence related to how well they prevent infection or transmisson.
Personally I am vaccinated, and suspect that eventually w
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Sure, but hear hooves, assume horses, not zebras. Vaccinated people are able to cut the amount of virus circulating in their body, which means that the amount of virus being released into the wider world is reduced, which means lower transmission.
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apart from the teams that did the research to check on this, who say that there is a significant reduction in the risk of infecting others, although the numbers are not yet fully in to put numbers on it. (Or were not in a week ago, anyway. They may be now).
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, people are idiots. They can "understand" why people are reluctant to end an epidemic. Apparently there is no benefit in that for them personally.
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You're too nice.
No vaccine? No use of public infrastructure.
Yup, that sidewalk in front of your place is public. So's the street. AND the alley behind, nice try.
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Insightful)
But you are living in society and gain through that: protection from others; easy to get food; care when your are ill, young, old; etc. The idea is that I gain from what others do and I do things that help others even if it of no direct benefit to myself - eg pay taxes.
Yes: society has its failings, but we all benefit if we all try to do our bit. Do not be selfish.
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Nice sentiment, but the number of gas guzzling SUVs on the road tells you how many people give a damn about other people (in that case climate change).
Re:While thats all true (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice sentiment, but the number of gas guzzling SUVs on the road tells you how many people give a damn about other people (in that case climate change).
So what? he's being selfish, so its OK for me to be selfish?
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Informative)
You realise that theres more to Covid-19 than “not getting it” and “got it, dead”, right?
There are many long term health issues that can arise from getting even a mild case regardless of how old you are, or did you miss that part? Thats why people should be getting the vaccine, because they dont want persistent lung, heart and brain damage, or a permanent loss of taste etc etc.
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Insightful)
Very few people get long covid despite the media coverage of it.
Um, yeah. About that [newatlas.com]. Depending on your definition of long covid, roughly three quarters of people who contracted the virus still suffer some symptoms up to six months later.
In the largest and longest follow-up study conducted to date investigating the lingering effects of COVID-19, researchers have found more than two-thirds of hospitalized patients report at least one ongoing symptom six months after contracting the disease.
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A striking 76 percent of all patients reported at least one continuing symptom six months later. The most common lasting problem was fatigue or muscle weakness, reported by 63 percent of all patients. Around a quarter of the cohort also reported sleep difficulties and anxiety or depression.
The CDC found that for those who weren't hospitalized, up to one-third of them were still suffering symptoms up to three months later.
And it's not the elderly or those who have previous health issues [medpagetoday.com] who suffer.
Earlier studies focused largely on long-term effects in hospitalized COVID patients, McCulloch noted. "Our study is unique in characterizing a group consisting of mostly outpatients: 90% of our cohort experienced only a mild COVID-19 illness, yet one-third continue to have lingering effects," she said.
"Many of these individuals are young and have no pre-existing medical conditions, indicating that even relatively healthy individuals may face long-term impacts from their illness."
So yeah, at least 1/3 of people who contracted covid still suffering months later is no big deal.
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps, but on the basis of the 27.6 million first doses and 2.2 million second doses in the UK the chances of dying from the vaccine are way lower than from COVID. So there is a net benefit right down to 18 of taking the vaccine.
However death should not be the only factor you are taking into account. Long COVID is a much more real danger for the under 50's than death. There are people in the 20's who used to run marathons and now can barely get up the stairs a year later. This could well be life long. It would appear that long COVID rates are running at somewhere between 5% and 10% of people who have recovered from the disease last time I checked (variation down to lack of precise details on how many people have had it). That is not good and worries me more than being dead, because that is a low occurrence and besides if I am dead I am dead and can't worry about it anymore.
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Insightful)
As someone who already has a chronic illness with some of these symptoms let me tell you, you do not want this. Feeling shitty every moment of every day for the rest of your life is no fun at all. In fact it sucks the fun out of everything and you have to push yourself hard all the time just to carry on, let alone enjoy anything.
Long COVID might actually be worse than death, in that if you get it badly you might wish you had just died then and there. Suicide rates for people with these kinds of chronic problems are high.
It's hard to make people appreciate the risk they are taking, and the risk they are putting other people at. There is no way they can imagine what it's like to feel this way all the time. Not even just the physical pain and tiredness and not being able to do the things you want, but the anguish and frustration and the humiliation of being essentially disabled.
Re:While thats all true (Score:5, Interesting)
And there are the anti-vaxxers constantly warning us of unknown long term side effects of the vaccine. It seems not to have occurred to them that if there are unknown long term side effects of the vaccine, then unknown long term side effects of Covid itself are much more likely.
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That's hilarious. If the long term side effects are, by their own admission, unknown, then what do they argue is the supposed basis for "warning" about them? How can you possibly effectively warn someone about something that you don't know anything about?
And really, if fear of the unknown was any kind of reason to stop a person from doing something, they shouldn't get out of bed in the morning because
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For anyone under 40 the chance of dying from covid is virtually in the noise so you can understand why some people are reluctant to have a vaccine that will have little benefit to them personally.
I guess they can bring that up at their grandmother's funeral. "Sorry I helped keep the virus in circulation, granny but, you see, stopping it it had little benefit to me.".
Re:While thats all true (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't worry, We'll keep it around to mutate! (Score:5, Insightful)
For anyone under 40 the chance of dying from covid is virtually in the noise so you can understand why some people are reluctant to have a vaccine that will have little benefit to them personally.
What do you think happens in natural selection when one large section of the population is closed to a pathogen but another remains open to it? Firstly the unprotected population will act as a reservoir for vaccine escaping variants which spread back to the formerly protected population. Secondly with a large number of hosts spreading unchecked you increase the chance it will mutate into something more nasty to younger adults (like this Brazil variant). In short it is not rational for young people to allow it to float around unchecked, in the medium-long term it will come back to bite them in the butt.
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As Maureen Lipman once said "If you bleed me, are you not a prick?" and boy these anti-vaxxers are definitely all of that
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:4, Informative)
The mRNA vaccines do not do anything to actually reduce your chances of getting covid19 or transmitting it.
That's a pretty bold statement, have any sources to back it up? Anything I could find seemed to indicate, initially, "This is effective at preventing spread from people showing symptoms, but we don't how it works from preventing infection from asymptomatic people". But recent studies seem to show up to 80% efficacy in preventing asymptomatic spread.
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Parent post is bullshit.
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Yes you are. Because you're not vaccinated against a disease with a 99.7% survival rate
That's a lot higher than the chances of dying in a car crash today. Do you wear a seat belt?
Re: Am I a bad guy? (Score:2)
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You eating red meat doesn't make your neighbour start eating red meat.
It might, if he opens a restaurant.
Or even if he eats enough red meat to keep the local restaurant open on weekdays.
PS: There's no point in trying to use logic on these idiots. They're proud of themselves for being that way.
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Please present any evidence for your boogieman of long-lasting effects.
Knock yourself out: [google.com]
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Yep, that's what I thought.
You can lead enmock to water, but...
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You see what you want to see. Try thinking instead of feeling for evidence once in a while. You might just be surprised at what you learn.
You too.
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Well, no, obviously. You're unlikely to convert yourself into a projectile by sitting down and eating read meat.
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Yes you are. Because you're not vaccinated against a disease with a 99.7% survival rate
Just because you die on the spot doesn't mean you won't have long-term problems from COVID.
eg. https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
(or any of those other people you infected through your over-inflated ego)
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Since people are no longer scared shitless of dying from the disease
I can assure you that plenty of people are still scared shitless of dying from the disease. And with good reason. Those are not good odds.
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Informative)
The main vaccine being used in the UK is being provided *at cost* by the pharmaceutical company in question. But nice try anti-pharma moron.
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:4, Informative)
No. *at cost*. Not "at cost". It was a contractual agreement that they only get to keep the university developed patent if they provide it at cost for the duration of the pandemic.
But nice try troll.
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Another point of view is that the vaccines are so desirable that they get paid for at cost by governments who have the buying power to force the pharmaceutical companies to accept at cost contracts. The cost to a government of a routine vaccine is in the noise when compared to the cost to the economy of potential future lockdowns that could come about if continued circulation gives rise to a variant that beats the vaccine. So the pharma company gets lots of revenue but very little profit. It is more likely
Re:Am I a bad guy? (Score:5, Funny)
Trust in governments is incredibly low at the moment.
Because Republicans.
If the vaccine really were in my best interest to get, then there wouldn't be such a heavy-handed push to make it into law.
Because Republicans.
I judge that my health is better served by not getting it than by getting it.
Because you are a Republican.
Can you provide any information otherwise?
You wouldn't believe it because you are a Republican.
I doubt it.
Yes we know. See above...
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That gave me a chuckle. I don’t know what’s in that vaccine says the person who is sucking on Marlboros and downing fast food.
Making progress (Score:5, Interesting)
In my area of the US, due to increasing supply (and, I suspect, local vaccine hesitancy/hostility), I'm scheduled to get the Pfizer shot this week, although I'm classified in the last group of eligibility by priority. It's free, it will make me more comfortable in public, and also make me feel better about going in to work.
I know a lot of people are against it for a variety of reasons. I have relatives who are against it, though they can't seem to explain why. I hope most of them get over it. And I hope we manage to get vaccines rolled out to the developing world as fast as is practical. From what I've read, one of the dangers is that the virus continues to mutate among unvaccinated populations, potentially reaching a point where the current vaccine is no longer effective, endangering us all again.
I'm ready to be done with this part of the timeline. Let's get it done.
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The sad part is in the USA if you're a smoker and a fat fuck you are eligible.
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If by that you mean Florida is doing better, you are wrong. [beckershos...review.com] They are a little below average at the percent of population vaccinated, and not particularly effective at administering the vaccines that have been distributed to them.
Re:Making progress (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm just worried that people will not act responsibly once they the vaccine. Things can't go completely back to normal, there will still be a need for some care to be taken.
Also now is the moment we really have to push hard to keep the gains made during the pandemic, particularly on working from home. This is when we cement the idea that being in the office should be the exception, not the rule for many people.
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Why?
I believe I'm more effective in the office with others also present. If you want to continue working from home I'm sure you have your reasons, but leave Covid out of this.
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I'm more effective at home, but I appreciate that not everyone is.
For me the time and energy saved not commuting, sorting out lunch, work clothes, COVID safety etc. and the ability to have my own office makes me more productive. It also means I can work around core hours, so if I have an idea on the weekend or at 8 PM I can open up the laptop and work on it for a bit, rather than saving it for office time.
It also takes the strain off the rest of my life, e.g. I can go to the pharmacy or take calls from the
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You are aware of the side-effect of the Pfizer shot, right? Permanent bonerfication.
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I scheduled my first dose on Saturday, dates were literally disappearing as I was looking at the calendar. Some sites are a month+ out. But, while this state went red last time - and usually does. This city does not. So it's not that surprising.
One of the most common objections is a bullshit one about how it didn't take long enough to develop the vaccines. Remember, this is a new form of an already existing thing, people have developed vaccines for other SARS variants, etc. This is not new tech and no
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I do think freedom is meaningful, yes. Freedom, in the context of a society, includes sometimes sacrificing certain individual freedoms in order to maintain the freedom of the society. The prohibition against "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic" is an infringement upon individual liberty. It is also intended to preserve the safety and freedom of people, in general.
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The problem is: How do you address it when individual freedoms collide? If you have the freedom to swing your fists and I have the freedom to not be hit in the face, then what happens when your fist-swinging freedom impacts my face? That's why individual freedoms need to be curtailed at times.
To give another example, Typhoid Mary. She was a carrier of Typhoid and worked in a restaurant. She didn't wash her hands after she went to the bathroom and wound up passing Typhoid to many people. Some died. The outbr
Re:Making progress (Score:5, Insightful)
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No, your position is frankly just completely incompatible with that of a functioning society. Owning a gun may be considered an individual freedom. Firing a gun may be considered an individual freedom. Firing a gun at or even near other people is not a freedom anyone has under normal circumstances because a person's right to remain unharmed while living their life TAKES PRECEDENCE over your freedoms to act irresponsibly.
If you are a significant threat to public health, then other people's right to live unmo
Re:Making progress (Score:5, Insightful)
Freedom is meaningful, even if you don't think so.
No, what people want is license not freedom. You don't have freedom to harm others., and freedom comes with consequences. I very much doubt any of the so-called "pro-freedom" people would be happy with a charge of criminal negligence or second degree murder if their exercise of freedom caused someone to get infected and die.
People somehow think they have a moral freedom to harm others as long as they personally cannot see the agent of harm. This is wrong and has always been so.
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Most people seem to agree with the notion that the right to swing your fists ends at my nose.
The trouble with an infectious disease is people might be swinging their fists all over the place and not even realize.
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I am in this post advocating freedom, plus responsibility. If you choose not to be vaccinated and end up infecting someone who dies then you are guilty of second degree murder. You have the freedom to risk harm from the vaccine harm from infection or criminal culpability if you cause injury.
If you're not prepared to accept responsibility for your actions then you are after license not freedom.
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Your *assumption* that there will be widespread harm is the problem. There is no case for that. In fact, the places with little-to-no restrictions seem to be faring much better than those with harsh restrictions. Go peddle your fear somewhere else.
Maybe those places don't need such harsh restrictions, because the people weren't so selfish/stupid. They practiced social distancing/wore masks etc. already. They didn't need to be force fed common sense.
It's not an assumption that there has been widespread harm, millions of people have died. [worldometers.info]
How do you not know this?
Re:Making progress (Score:4, Interesting)
There is one thing all the vaccines have in common - the chance of getting serious side effects from COVID are practically nil. So even if it doesn't go away, it knocks down the severity quite a bit.
That's a good thing - you think all the anti-vaxxers getting measles would be around still if it had a 5% death rate like it used to? (Sure today it's around 0.1%, but miracles of modern medicine able to treat measles so it's less harmful).
Even if COVID lingers around, the ability to not have to suffer through a lifetime disease or other thing is a huge relief - the consequences of COVID and being a long hauler are not fun. But if a vaccine solves that, it changes the calculation significantly.
Even the yearly flu shot doesn't protect against all flus, though in general, getting one means even if you do get it, it's generally much less of an issue.
There's also a good chance it will dramatically lower the R value so the disease will hang around in small pockets but not affect the larger population, thus letting us resume normal life. We might have to get an annual COVID vaccine like we do our flu shots, but hey, if it turns a disease from something that has dire health consequences to something not much worse than the flu, I think most people can live with that. We did before, after all.
Re:Making progress (Score:5, Insightful)
The way we treat flu is a worrying indication of how we may end up treating COVID.
Ideally if someone has the flu they would take time off work to avoid infecting others. Plenty of time off, not just until they feel well enough to carry on working. And on full pay, so there is no incentive to put other people at risk.
In practice a lot of employers pressure people back into the office to infect everyone else. Until the pandemic mask wearing when you are infectious was not a thing. The law in the UK only allows you to self-certify illness for a few days and statutory sick pay is a sick joke.
COVID is a lot worse than flu but I have a feeling the response will be the same, especially once most people are vaccinated.
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You do know the vaccine is only a preventative measure and doesn't cure covid right?
Yes, I'm fairly certain most, if not all of us, 'know' this.
There is no end to getting more vaccines, they want you to keep getting the vaccines even after you get the 2 doses.
I'm not sure who "they" are. Given that it's going to take somewhere between 6 months and a year to vaccinate the entire population of the UK, and it's estimated that it will take until the end of 2024 to vaccinate the global population, it's clearly non-sensical to suggest that everybody gets (re)vaccinated every year. However, for those at high risk, for those for whom the protection offered proves short term or otherwise inadequate, it might wel
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The question needs to be asked is what are these vaccines really doing to people?
Preventing the spread of disease and lessening the effects of the same.
There is no end to getting more vaccines, they want you to keep getting the vaccines even after you get the 2 doses.
There are side-effects. The vaccine causes an insatiable urge to spread of insane conspiracies in those who refuse to take it.
Not entirely rosy situation in the UK (Score:2)
I would expect most of those vaccinated in the UK to have got the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, which in its current incarnation does not protect against the South-African or the Brazilian strains. An updated vaccine is supposed to be delivered this fall.
There is also the threat of an export ban [theguardian.com] of the vaccine from the EU because Astra-Zeneca has not been able to deliver as much vaccine as it has signed up for.
These is projected to delay complete vaccinations in the UK by two months.
Re:Not entirely rosy situation in the UK (Score:4, Informative)
This is just not true. The AZ vaccine does protect against moderate to severe disease and against death for both the SA and Brazil variants. It is much less effective at preventing mild symptomatic disease and transmission. But it's still better than nothing. And the bad outcomes are sorted.
UK finally did something right (Score:2)
The story of how the UK got its shit together on vaccination is pretty amazing. Both the bet on which vaccines to back and the roll-out. Here's an article about the roll-out: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup... [sciencemus...oup.org.uk]
prioritize first dose policy working well (Score:5, Informative)
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but Orwell is probably starting to twitch in his grave
At least he'd be alive unlike those who died of COVID.
You are specifically citing powers that have a deadline. Calling that a *power grab* is completely disingenuous. Show us legislation without sunset clauses or changes in constitutions, then you have the right to invoke Orwell, a guy who is probably spinning at the number of times people use his name without any relevance.
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We were originally told these restrictions would last until the vulnerable were all vaccinated. Well now they have been. Yet they wish to extend the powers for another 6 months. The fact that you think this is ok is worrying but people who take rights for granted don't realise what they've lost until they're gone unfortunately.
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We were originally told these restrictions would last until the vulnerable were all vaccinated. Well now they have been.
No they haven't. Many of the vulnerable have been half dosed. The UK isn't even close to getting COVID under control. You want things to end? Stop killing ~100 people per day as you are now.
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Do you want to come down off the drugs then try again. Killing 100 people a day? Wtf?
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I didn't just read it, I also nominated it and studied it for an English semester report. No it's not coming out "exactly as predicted". Not even close.
Now when October comes and the virus is gone and the Evil Government (tm) decides to extend all the COVID provisions, then we can revisit this discussion. But until then realty reflects his prediction as much as it does those of Ripley Scott's Alien.
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Well, what relevant experience do you have? As far as we know, you haven't so much as read a single word he's written!
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So, you're completely unqualified to comment. Got it.
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Yep because it would be till sometime in September that the whole population has had two jabs plus the three weeks. In the meantime where it to be let rip through the unvaccinated population the NHS would be overwhelmed. Glad you know better than the public health experts.
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This is a nice example of why conspiracy theories spread so easily. The person who buys into it believes that they have special knowledge that makes them powerful. The fact that an overwhelming majority of well-educated people think the conspiracy is total lunacy is confirmation to them that they are smarter than even the experts!
Imagine being a slightly below-average work-a-day schlub. Maybe you just barely finished high school or a two-year associates degree from a local trade school. How great would it be for you to be part of an elite group that sees the world for what it truly is? To be in possession of secret knowledge that will let you rise above those "supine sheep" with their undeserved success! How great must that fantasy be for them?
I just with they would get back to sharing pictures of ex-presidents transforming into lizards and secret bases on the moon. I'm getting a little tired of them spreading disease and killing people.
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Right, lizards, moon bases, whatever. If you ever have a coherent riposte get back to me. In the meantime consider the difference between fantasy of David Icke world and whats actually happening. Curfews and restrictions of personal liberty is NOT a conspiracy theory, its happening now. HTH.
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What are you trying to say? Old people die? That the sick and frail with underlying and pre-existing conditions who are being prioritised have underlying pre-existing conditions?
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES! Why are we not talking about this! How are the medical agencies getting this so wrong!
*Yes I'm mocking you. Anti-vaxxing morons like you deserve to be mocked.
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My neighbors dad got the vaccine, he was a nice guy too. He died the same week. My grandparents made it to the second dose of the vaccine and now have a low grade fever.
And there is not one single reported case of anti-vaxxers lying.
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My neighbors dad got the vaccine, he was a nice guy too. He died the same week
My neighbour's dad died last week.
My other neighbour died last week.
They hadn't had the vaccine.
Around 5,000 other people in this country died last week without having had it either.
Comfort your neighbour, help them through mourning, and don't mention the entirely fucking coincidental vaccine.
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My anti-vax neighbor died a few days ago as well. Not form the virus, but for an equally stupid reason. He refused to sleep with his CPAP machine and stopped breathing. His poor wife watched him die, helpless to do anything.
He "know better" than those "over-educated" physicians and now he's dead and his wife is devastated. She has to sell the house they just bought because she can't afford the mortgage on her own. They were going to move in next week.
Anti-vaxxers: remember that your choices affect peop
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By "UK" I guess you mean England.
No - those figures are for the whole of the UK. Why would you say just England?