Biden Lets Trump's H-1B Visa Ban Expire (cnet.com) 167
The H-1B visa ban introduced by President Donald Trump last year expired on Wednesday, with President Joe Biden allowing the rules to come to an end. From a report: In an update on Thursday, the US Department of State said visa applicants who were previously refused due to Trump's freeze may reapply by submitting a new application. Visa applicants who have not yet been interviewed will have their applications prioritized and processed under the State Department's phased resumption plan. The Trump administration in June 2020 stopped the government issuing H-1B visas through an an executive order linked to the coronavirus pandemic. In October, Trump then placed new restrictions on H-1B visas for highly skilled foreign workers -- rules that were struck down by a federal judge in December who said the administration failed to show "good cause" for issuing the rules on an emergency basis. Bloomberg adds: Biden's decision will please business groups from Silicon Valley giants to India's IT services leaders, which had pressured the administration to lift the ban ever since the new president took office. Executives have grown frustrated that the directive was not immediately revoked, arguing it hurt U.S. companies. American tech firms, from Facebook to Google, rely on foreign talent to shore up domestic workforces. Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services traditionally dispatch Indian software engineers to work in tandem with their American clients, which include some of the largest Wall Street banks and technology corporations. It remains unclear whether Biden will ease visa restrictions in general, reversing curbs imposed by the former Trump administration.
lets fix this part (Score:5, Insightful)
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Nonsense (Score:2)
All degrees are not equal. That is the problem (Score:5, Interesting)
The root cause of the problem, the loop hole that allows Indian IT companies to ship thousands of ill educated sub-standard programmers to USA is this: USA recognizes all degrees from India as though they are the equivalent of US college degrees. But sayin ALL graduates from St Mary's College of Engineering, Middle of Nowhere, Some State, India are equal to the graduates from UCLA or MIT is just bonkers.
There are very good colleges and institutions in India. There are excellent graduates from less known and less reputable institutions too. All we need to do is to make them pass a minimal qualification exam in the IT field.
Of course the examn will be immediately gamed and people will coached for the examn. Despite that having a minimal qualification examn for ALL applicants from ALL the countries will be a good idea. It can't called discriminatory if both Europeans, Chinese, Indians and Japanese are required to take the same examn to qualify for a skill based employment visa.
This examn need not be in the latest language or skill that is in fashion. Basic AP in programming level examn is enough. Of course, all degree holders from US accredited institutions should be granted exemption. This will clean up the mess to a large extent.
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Why can't the companies decide wether it's worth it to hire someone who graduated in India instead of MIT?
Re:All degrees are not equal. That is the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
> Why can't the companies decide wether it's worth it to hire someone who graduated in India instead of MIT?
Your question has a technical answer - because MBA's and HR folks do the hiring with little input from the IT or CS people at large corporations.
If you believe in government having any say in the matter, then they should recognize that in many cases qualified Americans are out-competed on price for jobs at American corporations. A secondary arugment is that having unqualified programmers work on American infrastructure has national security implications that get paid for downstream by everybody.
By all means, get government out of the way, but that also involves revoking all permanent corporate charters. I'd take it, but on the other hand career judges are incentivized to allow most cases when they should be throwing them out, so they maintain their jobs with less controversy, and the corporate shield may be necessary given a judicial branch run amok.
It's complex, but pensions for judges lead to a lack of programmer jobs.
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Re:All degrees are not equal. That is the problem (Score:4, Insightful)
Employers can decide that. The question is whether the US government lets an employee enter the US specifically because of that decision.
Unfortunately, an H-1B visa is employer-specific -- the employee cannot easily change jobs within the US, because a prospective new employer would need to secure a new H-1B visa for the worker. This tends to suppress wages for H-1B workers even more than would be the case otherwise.
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Employers can decide that. The question is whether the US government lets an employee enter the US specifically because of that decision.
Unfortunately, an H-1B visa is employer-specific -- the employee cannot easily change jobs within the US, because a prospective new employer would need to secure a new H-1B visa for the worker. This tends to suppress wages for H-1B workers even more than would be the case otherwise.
It suppresses wages for all IT workers, because companies have a labor source cheaper than U.S. Workers, and the average wage is lowered
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Why can't the companies decide wether it's worth it to hire someone who graduated in India instead of MIT?
They should, but the immigration system should not have this loophole in it that BENEFITS foreign workers over U.S. workers, and makes it easier for companies to hire foreign workers. Don't we believe in the free market anymore?
If you believe in the free market, you support allowing companies to hire from any country. Government restrictions on who is legally allowed to work for whom is the opposite of a free market approach to labor.
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If you believe in the free market, you support allowing companies to hire from any country. Government restrictions on who is legally allowed to work for whom is the opposite of a free market approach to labor.
True! But this is where the politics comes in. A truly free market would require the elimination of all immigration laws, and opening of the borders to let those damn foreigners in from Canada and who knows where.
Assuming that no voters in the US really want that, H1b visas provide an inconsistency within the existing framework of immigrations laws by effectively favoring foreigners over U.S. Workers.
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Yeah, it's the Canadians that would flood the country. Right. I've been constantly given the impression from the media at large that Canadians are quite happy up their and only want to vacation down here.
Countries south of Mexico on the other hand, not so much.
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If you believe in the free market, you support allowing companies to hire from any country. Government restrictions on who is legally allowed to work for whom is the opposite of a free market approach to labor.
True! But this is where the politics comes in. A truly free market would require the elimination of all immigration laws, and opening of the borders to let those damn foreigners in from Canada and who knows where. Assuming that no voters in the US really want that, H1b visas provide an inconsistency within the existing framework of immigrations laws by effectively favoring foreigners over U.S. Workers.
I actually do want that, so "no voters" isn't the case. Not enough voters, I could buy.
But since you don't favor a free market for labor why did you ask if we do while saying that it should be disallowed?
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The problem is not with the H1-B visa program per se. Nor with the raison d'etre for it.
I would say wrong on both counts.
The free market should produce more IT workers if there is a shortage by increasing wages.
The H1B program keeps salaries for IT workers permanently artificially low.
Some argue that this creates more senior level positions for U.S. workers, but it doesn't. Without the entry-level experience, developers can't get to be team leads, senior developers, etc. That's why so many middle management positions in IT are held by H1B and former H1B workers.
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This examn need not be in the latest language or skill that is in fashion. Basic AP in programming level examn is enough. Of course, all degree holders from US accredited institutions should be granted exemption. This will clean up the mess to a large extent.
Another possible solution is to have foreign educational institutions apply for some kind of accreditation from some global body that shares accreditation with American institutions.
Another solution - require hires to have certifications. Perhaps even a global worker's union that issues the certification.
That creates a new problem, however, when top talent is needed when dealing with bleeding edge technologies. There's no exam or certificate for technologies that were slapped together last week.
Forcing deve
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I mean, take an elite Ivy League school. Is the graduate actually qualified, or did their parents buy the degree? At least with some city college you know the kid earned it. I know of too many parents who bought thier kids diploma from an elite private high school to trust them.
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What university did you go to where they spell exam like that?
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What? You mean all these slashdot liberals don't want to be part of a union? I thought they liked unions. That's very republican of them to be so against unions.
Fake news, there was no 'Ban' (Score:5, Interesting)
Trump revised the rules to make it more difficult to hire H1B workers instead of qualified Americans.
The headline is indicative of the The Sovietization of the American Press [substack.com]
Re:Fake news, there was no 'Ban' (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump revised the rules to make it more difficult to hire H1B workers instead of qualified Americans.
The headline is indicative of the The Sovietization of the American Press [substack.com]
Err no. Trump put an outright blanket suspension on green cards, H1B, L1 and J Visas. Just a flat blanket ban for a period of time. He even extended that ban once.
It is unfortunate for you people who constantly try to reinvent history that history is so well documented and easily searchable these days.
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Errr yes. There was no revision, it was a flat out ban. The ban had nothing to do with the immorality of the actual program, he banned it because "covid".
Close, it was because of the unemployment that covid caused.
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Inaccurate. Trump's executive order froze green cards for new immigrants and suspended any new H1B visas from being issued.
bah (Score:2)
Both sides are wrong about H-1B visas. There is a lot of abuse, but they really are necessary to fill positions where there is a shortage of candidates, and no, if you have 1000 American wastewater system engineers but need 2000 wastewater system engineers, "just raise salaries" doesn't magically create more of them.
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Both sides are wrong about H-1B visas. There is a lot of abuse, but they really are necessary to fill positions where there is a shortage of candidates, and no, if you have 1000 American wastewater system engineers but need 2000 wastewater system engineers, "just raise salaries" doesn't magically create more of them.
Sure it does. People train for the jobs that pay the most, assuming they can reasonably get the job.
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Sure it does. People train for the jobs that pay the most, assuming they can reasonably get the job.
And what is more American than thinking that all workers with the same training are interchangable, replacable cogs, with noboby better than anyone else?
(This belief is held by libertarians, so by definition it cannot possibly be socialist! QED)
Yes, this is half a joke. Only half because it's also far too true.
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It didn't really seem to matter (Score:3)
What I did see was that the paper work was so screwed up that a few folks got sent home because their renewals weren't approved, but they weren't replaced with local talent, it was another H1-B.
Not that I'm happy about this, but give that Biden is right of center at best this is what I expected. At least we're getting a real stimulus [fark.com] out of him (near as I can tell all of the $1.9 trillion is going to people and not corporations, in as much as it can ever do that). Plus he's moving to have Iran take over our role in Afghanistan (go look up Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube if you want to understand why that's a good thing, he'll explain it better than I ever could).
So compromises. I don't seem to have lost anything that wasn't lip service and I've gained a bit.
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The places that are H1-B heavy are just stacking bodies and/or looking for slave labor. Obviously there are some _extremely well qualified_ H1-Bs that are above me in education and talent, but those the exception.
If management is looking for their best ROI and not body count, then the average H1-B doesn't affect me directly, although they probably do have a general impact on salaries. I don't particularly want to work for places that abuse the H1-B system again anyway.
Sure they do (Score:3)
Sure, not every American who loses a job to an H1-B can do what you do, but a few will bust their asses and get the training and education to do it because the alternative will be a drastic reduction in their quality of life (up to and including homelessness).
Bosses will see more folk trying to get jobs like yours and look to cut your pay and benefits. Maybe they'll do it directly when the nex
H1-B abuse (Score:5, Insightful)
Only large companies abuse H1-B visas, because they're the only ones who can afford to.
They're also the ones who don't need the H1-B visas, because they're not doing anything that's bleeding-edge enough that they can only find people overseas.
Sol are we still supposed to learn to code? (Score:2)
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Race to the bottom was inevitable. (Score:4, Insightful)
Either be better than the competition or find another job with a much higher barrier to entry.
Barriers to entry and anything else offering the protections of exclusivity are the only real protections for workers.
Current moral fashion requires Americans to renounce every advantage of nationality in favor of giving all we have to the rest of the world while suppressing domestic wages. This will not change for the better so save yourself as best you may, hoard wealth, scramble for advantage, seek government employment (vested benefit retirement is dead elsewhere and not coming back), and Cthulhu take the hindmost.
Your fellow Americans are too busy selling out to care what happens to you or hallucinate our world is a meritocracy.
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ugh inject this annecdata straight into my stupid veins, damn you for being such a wonderful human being indeed
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Interesting, same here... Not looking for a new job, just wondered why it's abruptly gone quiet.
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The world is competing against you -- and against me -- and that's fucking awesome. It's how we move ahead as a species. Got a problem with that, you picked the wrong profession.
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What if nepotism within a minority with strong ingroup preference turns out to be more competitive than non racism?
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Let's not pretend the world is a level playing field.
Re: No more job offers (Score:2)
Jokes on you, I didn't vote and I live in China. Cherrio
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*SIGH*
And we're seeing yet again another one of them.
And..it's only going to get worse.
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Can't always win. The previous four years were awesome. And I'd much rather have Biden than Hillary having the finger on the nuke button.
(A low blow would be that Biden forgets where the button is; a more realistic is that Biden's old age and diminished presence has softened the belligerence he might have towards the rest of the world he doesn't like, unlike with Hillary.)
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American jobs belong to the lowest bidder. We're a free market with little employment regulation. This is precisely the system we voted for. It is as they said, we've made our bed and now we must lie in it.
The H1-B program is an excellent strategy for our natation. As long as we remain an attractive nation for investment and economic growth, we can pull in the best and brightest people from all over the world to join our economy. And the poor white natural born citizens can continue collecting hand outs fro
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You seem very angry about "socialism" and see it where it doesn't exist. Seek professional help.
Get out of your white suburban bubble
I don't live in the suburbs, but I'm curious what do you have against suburbs. Seems like a convenient place to live near work but also have enough space for a yard and avoids some of the skyrocketing rents of the city life.
Thats nice. I thought you came from a long line of "poor white trash"?
Ah you haven't met my family. Or been to my swamp country neighborhood. There's a very good reason I spent my youth on IRC all day.
Re:Thank you Joe Biden (Score:4, Informative)
Be angry about socialism.
Most of these fake-socialists in the US come from white-guilt families with economic statuses that range from from upper middle-class to filthy-stinky-rich. These people think they are suffering from extreme economic hardship and failed capitalism when their local supergrocerystore runs out of bananas for one day every month.
The fakes cover their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and hum loudly so they can ignore the stories from immigrants from Cuba, the old Soviet Union, Venezuela, or from any of the dozens failed socialist regimes in the past 100 of how horrible it was to live under socialist governments.
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America seems nice, I think I'll stay.
Re:Thank you Joe Biden (Score:5, Interesting)
"And the poor white natural born citizens can continue collecting hand outs from the government, wondering why their high school diploma doesn't take them to the highest echelons of society."
There's more to it than that. The H-1B program was always intended to fill positions that didn't have enough qualified Americans to fill, not to replace them entirely, which is what corporate America is using the program for.
And it's not just uneducated Americans who are being displaced. I've got a friend with two masters degrees who hasn't been able to find a job in this market.
Re: Thank you Joe Biden (Score:3)
What are those masters degrees in?
Re: Thank you Joe Biden (Score:4, Informative)
"What are those masters degrees in?"
Computer Science and Telecommunications.
Re: Thank you Joe Biden (Score:4, Funny)
Abuse of the system is a problem (Score:5, Insightful)
To be honest I've ran across a few of those carefully worded job postings designed to open the legal gate for hiring a foreign worker, both in the wild(linkedin) and at past companies. Corporations have a wink and a handshake arrangement with the government. But isn't that the case with pretty much everything, not just immigration?
But if someone abuses the law, do we just ignore it. do we fix it. or do we cancel the whole thing? I think it's pretty shitty to blame visa holders for the shenanigans that go on in the corporate world. I like to blame people who have actual power to change things, and are the ones who made the decision to commit fraud.
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But if someone abuses the law, do we just ignore it. do we fix it. or do we cancel the whole thing?
You are right. So we cancel it until we fix it. That is what Trump did. But you hate Trump, remember? You now have to live with your decisions. Visa holders are not Americans, so what is "shitty" to them means absolutely nothing in the decision.
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Visa holders are not Americans, so what is "shitty" to them means absolutely nothing in the decision.
I mean shitty in that we should not conduct business in bad faith, at least not be so blatantly obvious about it. I'm sure that's one of the Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition.
fun fact - the US Constitution and the legal precedent built up around it applies to non-citizens, green card holders, visa holders, diplomats, and even illegal aliens.
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There are kooks then there are Kooks (Score:2)
It is now safe to play fake revolutionary on the Internet again!
Thank goodness we kept this so-called "socialism" confined to the Internet and didn't play fake revolutionary in the US Capitol building like some kooks.
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who is rsilvergun? I'm not familiar with him(?).
(?) I'm assuming their gender.
P.S. I don't want to be a revolutionary, and especially not a poser revolutionary. But I do love discussing ideas.
Re:Abuse of the system is a problem (Score:5, Interesting)
I came in on an L-1 (similar to H-1 but for transfer within a company) many, many years ago.
A job posting was posted, but it was for expertise in the thing I had designed. So yeah - there were no other candidates.
It was an honest fit to what the law wanted. They needed an expert in that thing and I was the only one. No winking was involved.
A better law would be quick to implement, relaxed with family members coming along (like allowing them to live here and work too) and allow people to come on their merits, not based on corporate sophistry. Like the green card program before it got slow. H1-Bs were created because green cards got slow. If they speeded up the green card process, we wouldn't need H-1Bs.
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I could see why immigrants would want to be allowed to bring then entire family and that would be nice for those individuals, it would be even harder on incoming country.
It may be a bit dramatic to say but we clearly have a housing crisis in the US. The last thing we need is more families coming in and competing for what is clearly not enough resources to go around. It's actual no more the immigrants fault or the lowly citizens fault that such a housing problem exist, but we all got to deal with it.
Before t
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"Shame so many techies think they are gods and couldn't possibly see how strong labor laws or unionization could help."
So many techies have done very well, much above median income over the last 25-40 years. I don't really want a union that's going to cause my pay to decrease and promotion chances to rely purely on seniority. That's what my mother lived through when she was forced to join one, and what many of my family faced working for the UAW in Michigan...many of those had to go find other work when t
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Sometimes it's even blatent. One company I worked for in the past constantly posts internal messages about job openings, like most companies do. However, any time they are looking to hire an engineer, they also blatantly state in the post that they are only considering H1-B applicants, and US Citizens need not apply.
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I think it's pretty shitty to blame visa holders for the shenanigans that go on in the corporate world.
This is a straw man. Halting, reducing, or otherwise reforming the H1B program is not anti-immigration.
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Was your friend actually displaced by an H1B tho? (Score:2)
And it's not just uneducated Americans who are being displaced. I've got a friend with two masters degrees who hasn't been able to find a job in this market.
And you're certain H1B are the reason your friend can't find a job?
What are these degrees in? If it's comparative literature and sociology, I can understand that.
Also he can't find "a" job?...or he just thinks the job offers he lands in his industry are beneath him?
In the software industry, every qualified engineer has multiple job offers, even with the H1Bs competing. Most companies prefer someone local for the high end positions because of visa instability and because the H1Bs often have lan
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Agreed, with ~6% unemployment, his friend isn't really trying, he's looking for something specific maybe. Jobs are available, just maybe not the one you dearly want. Hell, I've been retired for a couple years and I'm getting calls still.
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You're sort of right, but these people aren't "the best and brightest", they're more often the people who aren't skilled enough to find employment back home. HR and IT managers have been wise to the H1B degree mill pipeline for years now and so the overwhelming majority of these people in the IT field go to filling warm body slots MSP's. I used to have a problem with this when I was young, then I realised that the job being created is that of their handler. A supervisor position doesn't exist without people
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Shouldn't those lowly positions be the place graduates can start out at to get some in field work experience? Probably makes to much sense, but then I'm not a MBA.
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Yes, they should, but why would a company do that when they can get two H1-Bs for the same price?
Re:Thank you Joe Biden (Score:5, Interesting)
The H-1B program is a travesty.
Not because it causes competition for good jobs, but because the very good people it brings in wind up in a a completely unfair system which indebts them to the sponsoring company.
If a company is willing to hire a good person we should just give them a work visa. Then they would have the right to dump the sponsor if the sponsor wound up screwing them over, as a vast number of H-1B using companies do.
I've met really good people here on H-1B's. They were trapped in jobs with bad employers and had extremely high stress levels.
The whole system empowers and enriches middle-men and exploits workers while providing gullible companies with some of the crappiest IT systems you can imagine. It absolutely needs to be scrapped in favor of solid, conventional systems which aim to provide immigrants with more rights.
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The diploma mill degrees being used to import resources aren't worth a high school dropout with a 130+ IQ and never will be. You can get a real US advanced degree and still not be able to compete, it only takes maybe a
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You really think we're getting the best/brightest from H1-Bs? The stories of abuse have been endless, and yet idiots like you continue to push off our jobs to foreigners. Fucking moron.
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Well, this is a "D" vs. "R" disagreement that is an important level. Some immigrants we want, some immigrants we don't.
The ones we want is the people who fill jobs that we can't find enough Americans to work. The problem here, we've got a lot of unfilled jobs and a lot of unemployed workers. Hey Monster.com, you declared you were in charge of this... what's wrong?
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Can't they work remotely now? Instead of paying an immigrant a competitive wage in the US, we'll pay them a much smaller wage according to their local economy. So just like US manufacturing and especially textile workers had to compete with over seas manufacturing, we will feel the crunch of globalization when more jobs can be done remotely. The H-1B program is not going to be to blame for this, the economy pressure that will drive wages down or put people out of work will be external to that.
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Time to get your head out of your ass.
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Well, immigration is sort of backwards from the normal way of playing. Trump wanted less, Biden wants more...
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And neither support IT workers it seems (Score:2)
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Both rates are mirages. Look at the deficit spending puffing up the economy during those years. Take those trillions of borrowed dough out and watch the unemployment rate go up.
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That is a gross misrepresentation of what this is about.
A strong economy isn't about how much money someone has, but how much money is moving around within its defined borders.
Allowing for immigrants and h1b workers to enter a community especially if they have hard to find skills is a good thing.
Every person no matter what their citizen status is, who works within the community, is a net benefit to the community, they are paying taxes, they are shopping at your local stores, they are needing homes/apartmen
Re: Thank you Joe Biden (Score:2)
You mean thank you for not abusing the executive power? It was wrong when prior presidents did it and it is still wrong. Congress should get off their lazy butts and do this stuff.
Both sides of the debate should be yelling at their congressmen. Let's not bury the debate because of sound bites on Biden. Shame on your mainstream media; title should be "Congress fails at their job yet again!"
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too lazy to even take time off.
Re:lulztastic (Score:5, Insightful)
"'merkin" "jobs". lulz. 'merkins are the most overpaid and laziest muhfuckers in the civilized world
Says the continent with approximately eight paid holidays in each work week.
Re:Low cost labor should be good for the stock mar (Score:5, Interesting)
They'll just game the median salary. (Score:2)
We can't compete with India where you can buy a diploma mill degree for a few hundred or thousand USD and a real one for $5k. My kid's tuition fora 4 year public Uni was was 12 times that. No corporation is going to want to pay to educate people when they can just get them overseas. You
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Public unis should be free, possibly with some sort of school choice type scheme for people who insist on private, and end the concept of student loans entirely. Either pay your way via grants and scholarships, take out a personal loan if you can, or go to the public uni. Watch private tuitions crater.
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So this is already the case and that is something that changed during the Trump administration (if there was one positive thing overall, it must be that one).
The article does list the main users of H1B: silicon valley companies which siphon the best engineers from the entire world (and which is actually the reason why the rest of the world just can't compete) and the Indian consulting companies which flood the H1B application system with thousands of low-paid low-skilled workers to replace current american
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You mean replacing the corporate 21% tax with the 28% tax. Before the former alleged president the R's paid off the corporations and the rich, the corp tax rate was 35%. Corporate America never needed the rate reduction and neither did the rich. A host of big companies paid no tax at all, such as FedEx, Xcel Energy, NIke, Archer-Daniels-Midland, the list goes on, it is on the NYT page now. The rich can afford accountants to make their income seem to disappear.
Not all those winnings were the result of the fo
Re:Good (Score:5, Informative)
That is pretty much the position of the Democrats: whatever it takes to get rid of Trump. Destroy America, destroy jobs, destroy everything as long as Democrats get power. At least you guys are finally being honest about it. The amazing part is I get why the Democratic party thinks this way (they make billions off of gaining political power), but what do you get? Absolutely nothing. You have been had by people who are much more clever than you are. Good job.
And Trump's regime did not benefit me personally in any way. My taxes increased, even.
You're implying also that Trump was good for America, which is blatantly untrue, let alone the lies you're spouting about Democrats "destroying America".
Go back to Brietbart or Fox.
Personally the other way as well (Score:2)
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Republicans tend to help one-on-one. They want to see the person they're helping, and they want that person to understand they're being helped. They also want that help to be reciprocated or paid forward to others. In the end, the goal is for everyone to succeed because of the efforts put in
Democrats tend to want to help en-masse. They "know" people are less fortunate, and want to raise all of them to some level that makes everyone feel better. In order to accomplish this, they feel everyone needs to put
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Trump honestly was very good for America in many ways, perhaps even despite the negativity constantly thrown at him. He was trying to play the long game among a sea of people hostile to quite literally anything he attempted.
Err... how? Economic growth in his first three years was worse than in Obama's last three years. Even his tax cut focused on the rich and increasing the deficit greatly didn't seem to improve the economy (which is impressive; any time you increase the deficit you dump more money into the economy which should give it at least a short-term boost).
His tariffs and trade wars were good at hurting americans, not so good at anything else. He verbally attacked allies and ignored treaties, which has damaged Ameri
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"destroy jobs"
And yet Biden came out with a massive jobs plan:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/bri... [whitehouse.gov]
" destroy everything as long as Democrats get power"
You're projecting. One of the Democrats' biggest weaknesses in terms of political fights is they actually do care about keeping things working. That's why even though they despised Trump they tried working with him on things like infrastructure, corona, etc.. When Obama had a Republican Senate, the Senate Majority Leader announced that his sole goal was to make O
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Sorry that reality doesn't agree with your delusions. Stock market is up higher than under Trump, jobs report just released gangbusters numbers, etc.
Don't let the truth stop your hallucinations.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/02/us-jobs-report-march-2021.html [cnbc.com]
https://www.axios.com/biden-stock-market-outperforming-predecessors-d4ccf293-e019-47bd-be87-e967c5cbd7e0.html [axios.com]