Almost Third of UK Covid Hospital Patients Readmitted Within Four Months (theguardian.com) 131
Nearly a third of people who have been in hospital suffering from Covid-19 are readmitted for further treatment within four months of being discharged, and one in eight of patients dies in the same period, doctors have found. From a report: The striking long-term impact of the disease has prompted doctors to call for ongoing tests and monitoring of former coronavirus patients to detect early signs of organ damage and other complications caused by the virus. While Covid is widely known to cause serious respiratory problems, the virus can also infect and damage other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys. Researchers at University College London, the Office for National Statistics, and the University of Leicester, compared medical records of nearly 48,000 people who had had hospital treatment for Covid and had been discharged by 31 August 2020, with records from a matched control group of people in the general population.
The records were used to track rates of readmission, of deaths, and of diagnoses for a range of respiratory, heart, kidney, liver and metabolic diseases, such as diabetes. After an average follow-up time of 140 days, nearly a third of the Covid patients who had been discharged from hospital had been readmitted and about one in eight had died, rates considerably higher than seen in the control group. "This is a concern and we need to take it seriously," said Dr Amitava Banerjee, at the Institute of Health Informatics at University College London. "We show conclusively here that this is very far from a benign illness. We need to monitor post-Covid patients so we can pick up organ impairment early on."
The records were used to track rates of readmission, of deaths, and of diagnoses for a range of respiratory, heart, kidney, liver and metabolic diseases, such as diabetes. After an average follow-up time of 140 days, nearly a third of the Covid patients who had been discharged from hospital had been readmitted and about one in eight had died, rates considerably higher than seen in the control group. "This is a concern and we need to take it seriously," said Dr Amitava Banerjee, at the Institute of Health Informatics at University College London. "We show conclusively here that this is very far from a benign illness. We need to monitor post-Covid patients so we can pick up organ impairment early on."
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (Score:1, Funny)
Look at the ages (Score:2)
Re:Look at the ages (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at the professional [sbnation.com] athletes [yahoo.com].
You know what, I'm pretty young, fit, and healthy. But I'm not as young, fit, and healthy as your average professional athlete.
And if they can still be experiencing significant health issues months after infection then I do not want to catch COVID.
Re: Look at the ages (Score:3)
Sorry, but professional athlethes are rarely healthy at all.
E.g. they may be thit but their leptin resistance is usually still through the roof.
They also eat pretty unnatural for their sports career.
And they take anything that will enhance their performance and won't show up even is much stricter tests.
And the results only seem very healthy if you don't know that's artificial.
After their career is over, you can watch them fall apart. It's brutal.
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After their career is over, you can watch them fall apart. It's brutal.
In what ways?
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They also eat pretty unnatural for their sports career.
After their career is over, you can watch them fall apart. It's brutal.
They eat unnatural because professional sports is hard on the body. They need all the protein they can get. They fall apart after their careers are over, in part because they eating habits they developed does not suit their suddenly sedentary lifestyle.
In other cases, it seems CTE and other brain and mental damages are a big cause.
But none of that is relevant to COVID19 and its after effects. Professional athletes are as healthy in ways that matters.
Look at the control group (Score:2)
In other words, senior citizens are more likely to be admitted into hospital after serious infection.
That would not explain why the readmission rates for Covid-19 were so much higher than the control group which, assuming they knew what they were doing, would have consisted of a sample of similarly aged and afflicted people who just did not have Covid-19.
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If you only control for age, and not health issues, then you will reach wrong conclusions.
Indeed, that would be an example of doing your control group wrong hence I did not just say "similarly aged" but "similarly aged and afflicted".
Brits are "stout" (Score:2, Flamebait)
Britain has a fairly high rate of obesity, and obesity is a serious co-morbidity to COVID. The best things you can to to prevent COVID death is to LOSE WEIGHT and take LOTS of vitamin D. Several doctors have remarked that almost all of their COVID patients had low vitamin D levels.
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Several doctors have remarked that almost all of their COVID patients had low vitamin D levels.
And one doctor said that Hydroxychloroquine was a miracle cure for COVID-19. Perhaps we should look at studies and not just ask "several doctors". A quick random search on what the experts say shows that taking supplements (including vitamin D) to prevent COVID-19 infection is not supported by any clinical evidence [nps.org.au] or that the evidence is sparse, indirect, and inconclusive [bmj.com].
By all means take vitamin D and lose weight, but don't stop social distancing, mask wearing, and washing your hands because you think th
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Several doctors have remarked that almost all of their COVID patients had low vitamin D levels.
That might be correlation rather than cause: Human skin can produce Vitamin D when exposed to sunlight. So people working outside in the fields, such as farmers are likely to have higher Vitamin D levels than those sitting in an office all day. And those sitting in an office all day with coworkers has a much higher infection risk than being out in the field alone on your tractor.
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What on earth do you think we eat over here? You've listed two good things but none of the bad things.
What were the rates in the control group? (Score:2)
For all I know it might be every 3.1th being readmitted anyway, and every 8.1th dying anyway too. Or every 300th, and every 800th dying.
Both are significant.
Without the values to compare them to, it's like saying "80%!!!" without saying OF WHAT.
It's just blatant lying by omisson.
That makes the likeliness of intentional fearmongering go from meh to *through the roof*.
Re:What were the rates in the control group? (Score:5, Interesting)
The rates in the control group of hospital admission were 1/4 those of the measured group and the rate of death in the control group was 1/8 that of the measured group. The control group was exactly matched on things like age and sex. You can find this in the actual article from the BMJ [bmj.com] which, as ever is unfortunately not linked from the summary.
Basically that means that in the year following infection, most of the death in COVID-19 hospital patients is still caused by COVID and we have been vastly underestimating the death rate from the disease. Which is a bit of a shock, even for someone who's been on the "this is a serious virus" side for the whole time TBH.
More than one study (Score:5, Interesting)
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In addition to the Lancet article, there is this one in Nature Medicine [nature.com].
One only has to read the abstract, and study Figures 1 and 2, as well as Box 1 to see the breadth of damage that this disease does to the human body.
Here is the relevant part of the abstract, for convenience, with significant parts highlighted:
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I know of no argument being presented that this respiratory disease will be significantly different.
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I know of no argument being presented that this respiratory disease will be significantly different.
Well, just because you don’t know something does not mean that reflects reality [usc.edu]. A 60% greater risk of heart disease for those born during the 1918 pandemic pales in comparison to the million people who are afflicted with long term damage from covid.
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Sorry, I just compared them. They're pretty similar rates. Of course, with a higher global population today (about 3.5~4.0 fold), there's reason to expect higher numbers over all, even with the same injury rates while the actual numbers are 30-odd fold down comparing the pandemics. Maybe those masks and travel restrictions have
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What?
So, the 1918 flu didn't decimate (literally) young men on troop carriers? I think the record disagrees with you.
And I didn't say that those people in the 1960s and 70s hadn't been known to be ill, and it to be related to the 1918 virus in the intervening decades. Most of them had been hospitalised for the intervening decades. Nobody knew what the disease was - still don't, to a significant degree - but that's a different thing to knowing that this class of pat
Good study, horrible interpretation! (Score:2)
>Interpretation
>At 6 months after acute infection, COVID-19 survivors were mainly
>troubled with fatigue or muscle weakness, sleep difficulties, and
>anxiety or depression. Patient
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I thought that was just some shit people made up to trick money out of advertising agencies.
Weird.
Small Wonder (Score:2)
The NHS still waits for the 350 million per week that Boris had on his bus.
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"nearly a third of the Covid patients who had been discharged from hospital had been readmitted and about one in eight had died, rates considerably higher than seen in the control group."
Unless the people doing this study are very bad at identifying a control group, it's not simply the other diseases causing this.
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It's difficult to draw any real conclusions from this study because they divided the population into people older than 70, or younger. This is a very coarse grain division with a high mean age, which means we have no way of telling whether a sizable number of people were young/healthy people with no preexisting medical conditions.
If we know anything about COVID it's that the vast majority (>95%) of hospitalizations involve people with preexisting medical conditions and the vast majority of those are old.
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I read a study which put the mortality in care homes 15 times higher than for people of the same age who were not in care homes. When you're healthy enough not to be in a care home then old age is less of a danger than one would think.
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There's a lot of variation in care homes as well, with the worse ones for mortality also having the worst staffing and such. Turns out that contracting out to the lowest bidder results in substandard care. Taxes are lower though.
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Yes , though I was thinking of CFR: case fatality rate or the actual chance of dying when you get the virus. That is more or less independent of whether whole carehomes were affected or kept safe.
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Well, there was some horrible stories out of Quebec, basically the caretakers running away and leaving the sick to fend for themselves. With no food or water, the CFR likely goes up. Same with places where people weren't fed very good.
You don't realize how bad things are in some of these care homes until something like this happens.
Hmm, reading this, https://nationalpost.com/pmn/n... [nationalpost.com] it may have been Ontario where the feeding problems, bed sores etc were so bad that I don't see how it couldn't have increase
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I've heard similar stories out of New York.
Yes I guess abandoning carehomes leads to an increase of CFR , or should I interpret that complications in measuring CFR.
I was more thinking about how functioning carehomes are dealing with it. Once inside it tends very much to turn into an epidemic, making a large percentage of the population ill.
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Yes, that is more how it was here in BC, especially at the beginning of the pandemic with it raging through a couple of care homes.
It still showed some weaknesses in the care home industry such as workers not getting enough hours and having to work 2 jobs, which led to spreading the virus. The enforced isolation isn't good for people either, but that has no easy solution besides if we'd sealed the borders early, which is next to impossible for various reasons.
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At best, they are saying COVID's mortality rate is 30% higher than what we thought it was. A 30% increase to a tiny number is still a tiny number.
Random guy comes on Slashdot, and informs us just how awful and incompetent some professionals are, then falls into the trap of the uneducated/agenda driven of only thinking of death rate.
I bow to you, random Slashdotter.
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Seems the new variants are changing who ends up in the hospital with more and more young people including kids ending up in there as well as ending up in ICU. While part of this is old people being vaccinated, it sounds like the medical people are quite worried about this trend, especially as putting young people in ICU screws up there development.
Some of these new variants, especially P.1 (Brazil). More infectious, makes people sicker, affects younger people.
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Why would one need to be an MD to understand the basics of what a control group is?
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
An MD tried to sell me all natural supplements. And a veterinarian tried to sell me on acupuncture for my cat on multiple visits.
Having credentials doesn't automatically make your argument and reason correct. The logic must be defensible from even a layperson.
Re: Cause and effect (Score:5, Insightful)
MDs are not scientists, though there are some scientists who are qualified MDs. It's a skill set much closer to an engineer or an architect where they use some of outputs of science to guess the solution to a specific problem which is in front of them. In the case of doctors it's even worse since each patient in front of them is unique and different from every other patient so general scientific rules may not actually work. This makes them quite careful and means that the best thing to do with doctors is to question them lots but then trust their judgement even though they aren't actually always following the science.
This is the reason why scientifically ignorant people like the original commenter think that the word of (their own, personally known) doctors on science is worth lots more than it actually is. The kind of person who doesn't understand the meaning of a control group is the kind of person who can't have an advanced discussion with their doctor and get through to an understanding of the amount of guess work and intuition involved. It's like anti-vaxers who thing that a 1 in a million risk of a vaccine side effect is just as dangerous as a 1 in 10 chance of a serious viral effect. With no understanding of things like statistics and control groups the doctor becomes a seer and the greatest source of knowledge in their lives. This becomes literally "magic" in the sense of Azimov [wikipedia.org] and it's almost impossible to communicate with them about it.
Not Asimov but Clarke (Score:5, Insightful)
Not Isaac Asimov but Arthur C. Clarke said:
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.“
But you are right about the problem, we’re in a crisis of education that may destroy what civilization achieved. The foundations of our civilization are ridiculed and belittled. “Math is hard, let‘s go shopping“-Barbie is a symptom for a collective downfall.
Every citizen needs to learn basics of mathematics, statistics, engineering and sciences, or else.
I think you mixed up the authors because of this excellent insight of Asimov:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge”.
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Every citizen needs to learn basics of mathematics, statistics, engineering and sciences, or else.
That's a crazy high standard, not to ever happen, anywhere.
There will always be stupid people. Not everyone is capable of higher learning. That's just a basic Bell Curve.
The trick such as it is, is keeping the stupid out of power.
Recent experiments in allowing the stupid power beyond their ability have illustrated exactly this.
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Sure. Just don't restrict that to the USA.
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The vast majority of people need to be able to read well enough to understand the world around them. I think standards for literacy are already broadly accepted in the modern world. And they need to be able to comprehend mathematical concepts so they are not easily duped by statistics. The problem is that a lot of this stuff is not intuitive and going with your gut on it means you will miscalculate the risk. Operating the equations for epidemiology does not required higher math. It's the creation of new mod
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That's just a basic Bell Curve.
A bell curve is an observation, not a scientific law.
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That's just a basic Bell Curve. A bell curve is an observation, not a scientific law.
Yeah - a basic observation that there is a bell curve of abilities. Not certain where you thought I meant it was a law of physics. It is a statistical tool.
All humans have certain abilities and talents. Doctors have some, leaders have some. They might intermix, but a Medical doctor doesn't need to be a scientist to be a very good doctor - some of the talents might not even be that good in an MD.
And some people are lucky if they get their shoes tied in the morning. Take any given ability, and map it out
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And some people are lucky if they get their shoes tied in the morning. Take any given ability, and map it out among different people, and you'll end up with a Bell curve. :P
Unlikely
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And some people are lucky if they get their shoes tied in the morning. Take any given ability, and map it out among different people, and you'll end up with a Bell curve. Unlikely :P
Bell curves are everywhere. Let's take something that is not even remotely controversial, like height. We can take either men or women. There is a range of heights of adults from the shortest to the tallest. Given the mean of the distribution of heights, we form a center line. X will be deviation from the mean either positive or negative. Y will be the height, the probability of where individuals fall from tallest to shortest. Mapping it out forms a bell curve.
The only place I've seen a complete trainwr
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Not Isaac Asimov but Arthur C. Clarke said:
Thanks for correcting my ignorance - astoundingly blind given I just linked to a page with Clarke's name on it. Still, at least I'll try to learn from this, which is the main thing that matters.
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
Acupuncture sometimes works and can be something to try when conventional techniques fail. The theory is it alters nerve signals by creating smaller pain points.
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Ancient medicine is bound to occasionally come up with something that works even before we fully understand the mechanisms. It involved a LOT of trial and a LOT of error.
I'd imagine that rather than modify nerve signals it leads to lots of little pain responses with endorphins being released, which can ease severe inflammation enough to help with healing. Of the theories I've read, that sounds easy more plausible.
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The theory is actually very different and pretty simple.
Acupuncture leads to release of several hormones and neurotransmitters.
No idea about the american/english wikipedia page: but everything a layman should need to know should be covered.
In many treatments: acupuncture is not the "works and can be something to try when conventional techniques fail" but the standard procedure.
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Your logic makes no sense. The cat surely enjoys it, and it is up to you to decide if you need supplements or not.
Regardless what "he is selling".
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I once told and MD they needed to have a control group for their study. She informed me that it was too hard.
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I once told and MD they needed to have a control group for their study. She informed me that it was too hard.
Think Ben Carson. Gifted Surgeon, and you wonder if he can figure out how to get his shoes tied in the morning.
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I worked with one of the top neurosurgeons in the world for a few years. He wasn't allowed to travel by himself. One time, even with supervision, he managed to just walk away from his passport somewhere in SE Asia.
Not to mention one of the greatest advancements in medicine were the first major trials in the 80s where the physicians decided perhaps other specialities, like statisticians, might have something to contribute. Physicians are highly trained in diagnosing and treating patients. An MD degree doesn'
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
I don't know what medical school is like in the USA, but in the UK you could not graduate if what you claim where true.
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Uh huh. A six month research fellowship doesn't make you an expert in research. Usually we call that "an undergrad project." A couple of biochem courses also don't make you an expert in the subject. We call those "a passing knowledge."
I don't know why people have the idea that physicians somehow manage to become experts in multiple fields during a four year undergraduate degree.
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They presumably mean mathematically. What they are looking for is a mapping function from the medical history onto the probability of being re-admitted (or perhaps admitted in the next $k$ days), for all patients. Then, amongst this set, they either match or weight by said probability between the group who had COVID-19, and those who did not.
The idea is that the function mapping is a composite combination of the covariate set, summarised in a single characteristic prediction of the probability of being re-a
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It's not Covid-19 that caused people to return to the hospital, it's their other diseases that made them vulnerable to Covid-19 in the first place.
But if they were going to be there anyway, they would be counted in the regular annual stats.
The problem is quite clearly there are far more people in hospital, and far more people dying there, than normal. Blame it on something other than COVID if you must but society will work around you.
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
Someone with comorbidities who gets covid and is hospitalized, could very easily be re-hospitalized for completely unrelated reasons. Or it could be as a result of treatments, for example damage caused by a ventilator, or general weakening of the immune system,
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The point is that this data has not been "normalized" properly to determine if there is a higher rate of post-covid hospitalization than normal.
And what exactly would be the normal? Before COVID?
How the funk do you want to normalize a new phenomena which you can not compare to anything else?
About 45% of the people had (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah somebody tried to trick you - and they did a pretty clever trick.
About 45% of the people who died from COVID had high blood pressure.
About 45% of all adults in the general population have high blood pressure.
So now you know how that works. Now you know, so you won't fall for that trick again.
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Hypertension is closely related to weight. The best way to control blood pressure is to lose weight.
Funny thing, obesity. Wokesters hate focusing on weight, but other things invariably crop up if you're chubby. Hypertension. Diabetes. Hip and knee problems.
"The foot bone connected to the leg bone,
The leg bone connected to the knee bone,
The knee bone connected to the thigh bone,
The thigh bone connected to the back bone,"
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>Their bodies are hyper efficient
I'm not sure I'd call it efficient. The average metabolically challenged body has dysfunctional mitochondria and is stuck on 'store' mode so little energy is apportioned to building tissue or making energy free for movement. The sick mitochondria are less efficient than healthy mitochondria.
The currently fashionable and probably mostly correct hypothesis of how this comes about is called the ROS hypothesis of obesity. The mitigation is to keep polyunsaturated fats low Dia
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One other thing the hunter gathers didn't eat was significant polyunsaturated fats. The ones that mess up mitochondrial satiety signaling by suppressing the charge differential across the mitochondrial boundary by reducing the F/N ratio and so preventing reverse electron transport that leads to the ROS signaling that tells the cell to stop taking in more energy and tells other cells to spend it. Of course polyunsaturated fats are rampant in the food we eat today. http://high-fat-nutrition.blog... [blogspot.com] . https:// [nih.gov]
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Diabetes has nothing to do with making fat out of sugar. If at all you could argue the other way around: they lack the ability to create fat out of sugar in a certain sense, as they lack insulin.
Being fat, getting fat, has many side factors, e.g. gut bacteria. Humans usually can not digest fibres. However many obese people can: because they have the same bacteria in their guts like cows. So what is 1500cal for you is 3500cal for them. Now tell them they are eating to much ... hence Atkinson and other protei
Re: About 45% of the people had (Score:2)
There calorific intake is too high for them. The suggestion that everyone has the same dietary calorie requirements is absurd.
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Yes it is.
And? How do you prevent it/fix it? After all you need other nutritions like proteins or vitamins.
The root problem is not "calories" but bad eating habits in youth, which destroyed your metabolism.
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That is utter nonsense, I'm sorry. Common, popular nonsense, even in outdated practicing medical circles, so you are of course forgiven, but nonsense.
Both are symtoms of eating bad food:
I even got the data to prove it, in a simple table:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
For the record: I've got 30kg lost and no heartburn and halving my blood pressure meds of personal experience to back it up too.
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(Basically: Make sure your food contains enough branching carbs (called 'prebiotics' in stupid esoterics-catch
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I had relatively high blood pressure and I'm overweight. But my doctor was lazy and prescribed blood pressure medicine instead of diagnosing sleep apnea. Once I treated that the high blood pressure went away without medicine.
It certainly helps not to eat much sugar or carbohydrates at all since insulin resistance happens so much more readily. And high blood sugar can literally turn your blood to syrup and that thick blood will also lead to high blood pressure.
I get 95% of the benefits of weight loss by
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Yeah somebody tried to trick you - and they did a pretty clever trick.
About 45% of the people who died from COVID had high blood pressure.
About 45% of all adults in the general population have high blood pressure.
So now you know how that works. Now you know, so you won't fall for that trick again.
Well, we can dive a bit deeper than that in trying to understand the numbers. For example, this study [biomedcentral.com] showed significantly higher rates of fever, shortness of breath, and increased hospital stays for Covid-19 patients with hypertension compared to those without. However, other symptoms were inconclusive, most noticeably mortality which was higher for those with hypertension, but without a sufficient statistical difference.
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Okay, I guess (assuming your stats are right). But I'm a part of another statistic that might interest somebody. I'm 68, had a mild case 1 year ago. Never hospitalized, have no underlying co-morbidities, and I'm still suffering from it a year later. I'm not 'ill' in the sense that I test negative for the virus and have no fevers or chills. But I feel like shit maybe 2/3 of the time, and my nasal passages burn like they did when I lost my sense of smell - even though the sense of smell is back. Muscle
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Three of my brothers-in-law in Peru have had it. Two now have arthritis, one has kidney problems, one can barely marshal the energy to walk up to the second floor of his house six months later. You're among the group now being referred to as "COVID Long Haulers" (but you probably knew that).
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About 45% of all adults in the general population have high blood pressure.
Then this would be considered "normal" blood pressure.
"So now you know how that works. Now you know, so you won't fall for that trick again."
Idem.
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The CDC defines hypertension based on unhealthy high blood pressure, not based in the average pressure of the current fat ass population in any particular year. That would have the definition changing every year, if it were based on an average.
https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpress... [cdc.gov]
Kinda like the percentage of adults who are obese has risen to 42%. Not because the definition of obese has gone down, but because we've gotten fatter.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/da... [cdc.gov]
So yeah, you could say fat and high blood pressure
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Well, the idea what a healthy value of cholesterol is was coined around WWII by examining 16 - 18 year old recruits.
As I do not live in the US, I have no visual idea how fat the average american is. But the mantra "all are to fat" we have in all western countries. However I rarely see fat people, so I wonder if I'm some how visual impaired or if that is exaggerated. On the other hand if many fat people are ashamed to go outside, one had a hard tome to see them.
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HIV doesnâ(TM)t kill. Blaming HIV on peopleâ(TM)s deaths is FAKE NEWS!
FFS.
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
OK, lemme just stab you with a knife and kick you off the 50th floor real quick. Cause "Neither kills you FFS" (Why would it kill your FFS?).
Colliding with the floor and bleeding out does. So just avoid that then. Easy. :P
Sorry, my sarcasm detector didn't go off. In case this was meant to be a joke.
If you can't think indirectly *at all*, then you are right.
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LOL!
Woosh!
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I live in Quebec. According to official government statistics, 97% of deaths and 87% of hospitalization associated to Covid-19 had at least one comorbitidy (source : https://www.inspq.qc.ca/public... [inspq.qc.ca]). It's not Covid-19 that caused people to return to the hospital, it's their other diseases that made them vulnerable to Covid-19 in the first place.
I don't think comorbidity means what you think it means:
Overall 45.4% (95% CI 45.1-45.7) of adults reported any of the 6 comorbidities, increasing from 19.8% (19.1-20.4) for ages 18-29 years to 80.7% (79.5-81.8) for ages 80+ years. [medrxiv.org]
I wager there's quite the number of people here who think "oh, I'm strong and healthy", without realizing their high blood pressure makes them the walking dead according to the COVID denialists.
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In Quebec, about half of people over 12 years old have a chronic health problem.
Re: Cause and effect (Score:2)
seems like a low bar to set for yourself.
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It's not Covid-19 that caused people to return to the hospital, it's their other diseases that made them vulnerable to Covid-19 in the first place.
Or maybe they thought of that selecting the control group? Just a thought here.
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And your point is? Many of these people may have lived another 50 years if they hadn't of caught COVID. Co-morbidities may include being overweight, having asthma, having diabetes, that already covers half the population.
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Old people and those with health problems end up in the hospital a lot. This shouldn't be surprising.
Yeah, it's when they start ending up there far more often than normal that astute people take notice, but the ranks of the clueless are hardly surprising either.
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TFS conveniently omits telling us how far that stated "far" is.
Delinerately so, I reckon.
Not saying it isn't "far more". But it is deliberately being manipulative in any case.
Re: So? (Score:2)
*Deliberately!
Slashdoot monile, Y U NO PREVIEL NOR SPELLCHEXI??
("filter error: don't use so many caps. it's like yelling." ... God, Slashcode is a piece of shit...)
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Who doesn't have a plethora of health problems nowadays? It's like the old line, "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." except now everybody's got an infinitely long list of billable ailments. Like I'm formally diagnosed with five different sleeping disorders which collectively amount to a fancy way of saying "Sleeps less than other people, but at weird hours."... I'm sure that'll be turned into a preexisting condition for
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The median age of death with COVID-19 in the UK is 83, which is higher than the median age of death.
The control group that they compared against had the same age profile as the group investigated. This is a real effect on top of any age related problems. Please read the BMJ article.
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How doe it feel to be new around here?
I only rarely forget to include a link to the paper when I make a submission, and even then, in a "hard science" topic, the large majority of people don't even RTFS, let alone RTFA or RTFP.
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You spam this same copy/pasta every single thread having to do with COVID19. Your lack of imagination and originality is not going to get anyone to click through and watch your hero O'Liely's program.
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The four months duration of the investigation is significant. The average lifetime of a red blood sell is 100 days / 3 and a bit months. So by 4 months the majority of the patient's red bl
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Doing "bloods" on a patient is a standard part of hospital testing. I really, really doubt that people leave hospital without having their blood condition assessed. This isn't America, after all - we don't throw people out when their wallet is empty. We don't even look for their wallets!
Why do people think t
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I'd give more weight to your opinion if you came from a country which had actually had a war at home within living memory. To quote an American General in my youth - speaking about an American nuclear base within bicycling range of my home, "We fought World War One in Europe, and we fought World War Two in Europe, and if we can get away with it, we'll fight World War Three in Europe too.
We know the place we occupy in America's war plans. Have your wars at home.
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