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In One Year a Billion Tons of Food Got Wasted (bloomberg.com) 127

There is something that the average person can do to slow down climate change, and it can be accomplished without leaving the house. Don't waste food. From a report: Some 931 million tons of it went to waste in 2019, according to the United Nations Environment Programme. Individual households were responsible for more than half of that, with the rest coming from retailers and the food service industry. New estimates show that about 17% of food available to consumers worldwide that year ended up being wasted. The matter is even more urgent when considered alongside another UN analysis that tracks the problem further up the supply chain, and shows 14% of food production is lost before it reaches stores. Waste is happening at every point, from the field to the dinner table.

Food waste and loss are responsible for as much as 10% of global emissions, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. If it were a country, this discard would rank third in the ranking of the world's sources of greenhouse gases, after China and the U.S. Among the most effective climate solutions, non-profit Project Drawdown ranks cutting food waste ahead of moving to electric cars and switching to plant-based diets. Thursday's UNEP report suggests the amount of food wasted by consumers could be about double the previous estimate. The analysis conducted by the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization in 2011 relied on data from fewer countries.

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In One Year a Billion Tons of Food Got Wasted

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Most Americans look like they eat every scrap of it.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      It's a mystery exactly why Americans are chubby. Theories include:

      A. Car culture means we exercise less than those who walk to/from public transportation or use bicycles

      B. Our restaurants serve too big of portions

      C. We have a poor diet, per too much oil, red meat, and starch.

      D. Pollution in our food screws up our bodies

      E. Our competitive culture causes weight-gaining stress

      F. Many or all of the above.

      As far as food waste, meal management takes effort and time in terms of tracking what's left over, how to co

      • by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:36PM (#61256550)

        It's a mystery exactly why Americans are chubby.

        It's not a mystery at all. Americans enjoy the highest standard of living the human race has ever seen. Plenty of food, no need to perform hard physical labor and plenty of leisure time.

        • You wouldn't know it based on all the whining that goes on in America right now about how "hard" life has somehow become over the last few years.

        • What you have there is a hypothesis, not a tested answer.

        • This if course is why lab animals whose caloric intake and composition of food has largely remained unchanged outside of studies specifically studying dietary changes have grown more obese over the past 30 years. It's because Americans have a high standard of living.

        • by dddux ( 3656447 )
          I wouldn't say it's about the standard of living, as we have the same standard, if not better, at least in some countries here in the EU, and we don't have so many chubby people. Still, chubbiness is on the rise everywhere, not just in the US and EU. Why? I'll tell you why: high calorie, low nutrition food. All those cheap snacks, energy bars, and fast food. People are too lazy, or just can't find time, to cook their own food with less fat, sugar, and salt. That's why we get so much diabetes, atherosclerosi
      • Two words: Junk food.

        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          There's no direct evidence eating junk-food is the primary cause, although it does cause some weight gain.

      • How about 4 decades of the government lying to people, saying a high carb diet is healthy?
        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          High carb diet can be healthy. High fat diet can be healthy. Combine the two, eating large amounts of carbs and fats along with excessive sugar and you're asking for trouble.

        • by spitzak ( 4019 )

          That does not explain the difference between the USA and other countries.

        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          "The government" said that?

        • by dddux ( 3656447 )
          Let me tell you something about the "carbs". There are carbs, and there are carbs. Your local fast food kiosk is selling loads of shitty carbs with loads of fat, sugar, and salt. That's the kind of carbs you should avoid. On the other hand you have good carbs which are healthy for you. Do you know what carbs I'm talking about? The carbs like oats, barley, whole wheat and rice. Carbs that come from veggies and fruits. Eating just white flour products just makes you fat, contains no nutrients whatsoever, and
      • by spitzak ( 4019 )

        I think it has to be A and maybe B. C,D,E are certainly true of other countries. Even B is true in some countries that have much less of a problem, France for instance.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Yeah, sometimes I get food and never eat it. I might buy a head of romaine lettuce or something because I wanted a salad right then and there, but then not eat the rest of it and it wilts. But my city has a composting program (which is so much more successful than our recycling program), so that head of wilted lettuce ends up there, being turned into food for other heads of lettuces that I will buy on impulse but never end up finishing.

  • Lots of restaurants and even places like VA hospitals throw out lots of perfectly fine foods, and they won't give it out because they're worried about getting sued, or just dumb govt. policy
    • Throwing out the food isn't necessarily "wasting" it.
    • I have a lemon tree and it produces a ton of lemons every year. Big, beautiful lemons. My friend suggested I donate the extra lemons to the local food bank. I thought about it and decided I don't want to take on the liability so the excess goes in the trash. This is only one of the many reasons why I hate lawyers.
      • When we lived in Phoenix we had a lemon tree. Every February we picked a ton of softball-size, sweet lemons, juiced them, and made ice cubes out of the concentrate. That gave us lemonade and lemon bars for the entire year.

    • Not to mention all the unwanted kittens and puppies, abandoned children, and other things. Think of the environment, people! All that food just being discarded when it could be casseroles, stews, beef wellington, ...
  • "Don't waste food" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:14PM (#61256466)

    Easier said than done.

    How often can you really get "only what you need" when planning for food? I only need 4 burger buns for dinner, but all the packages have 6+; that frozen package of chicken fingers - smallest is a 6lbs box, way too much to eat in 1 sitting, and don't want to eat that for dinner each night for the entire week (so goes forgotten); many, many other examples I could give.

    But consumers aren't the only ones at fault - I often see packages of stuff in groceries that is obviously going to go unsold (and eventually thrown out), because they either produce or just stock way too much (breads are one example).

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Why are you throwing out frozen food? Is your freezer broken?

    • by aardvarkjoe ( 156801 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:46PM (#61256576)

      I only need 4 burger buns for dinner, but all the packages have 6+;

      Let's see ... use the extra 2 (or whatever) tomorrow? You do realize that "burger buns" aren't limited to only being used for hamburgers, right?

      that frozen package of chicken fingers - smallest is a 6lbs box, way too much to eat in 1 sitting, and don't want to eat that for dinner each night for the entire week (so goes forgotten)

      "Smallest is a 6lbs box???" First off, if you insist on buying food for one meal at a time, you probably shouldn't be shopping at Costco.

      Those frozen chicken things will last months in the freezer without getting any worse than they were to start with. Have them once a week if that's your thing, and they won't go to waste.

      There are some things where it can be hard to use what you can buy, but those examples are terrible.

      • by Sebby ( 238625 )

        Granted the examples weren't probably the best (and I was guessing with some - I'm terrible with estimating weights); my main point is that it's not always easy to get just the amount you need vs. being stuck with the extra you won't necessarily need right away (and eventually forget/pile up/expire) - but my point about grocery stores still applies.

        What I've tried to start doing is just getting only what I need when possible - for (a better) example, getting only loose burger buns instead of a package, as

        • (i.e. I save $1 by not wasting it on the extra 4 I use)

          'on the extra 4 I don't use'

        • by Ogive17 ( 691899 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @06:57PM (#61257096)
          We buy perishable items about twice a week for my family of 3 and have practically zero food waste. Those 2 extra buns, we'll put some butter and garlic power on them and turn into garlic toast to have with a pasta dish or use them with cold cuts. Meals that we cook will stay good for about a week in the fridge. Leftovers are normally consumed for lunch and we'll typically have 2-3 options in the fridge. To change meals up a bit we might heat up some fries or frozen shimp as a side to go with the seasonal veggie.

          If you live alone, I do understand it is more difficult but still not one of the most challenging tasks you'll come across during the week. I lived on my own for about 5 years. I'd grill 4 chicken breasts at a time. One for dinner, one maybe the next day for lunch. The other two I'd turn into something else, maybe chop up on a salad or add some cheese and a tortilla wrap for a quesadilla like option. I got quite creative in the kitchen and I always had a good feeling when I would create something that was actually quite good.

          TL;DR - Get creative with the extra perishable foods. I've yet to come across a food item that has only one use.
          • Age has a bit to do with it. Just eat the same meal until it's gone. I've eaten a huge variety of dishes in my life so I don't really need something brand new tonight. I don't find four rounds of stew in a row all that boring. <= spices can help.
        • As I stated elsewhere: plan your meals around your stock, not your stock around your desired meals. You wanted Beef Wellington tonight but you have some opened chicken? Put off the Wellington.

          Learn to cook well and broadly. My wife would find the food that needed eating and make a pretty incredible and diverse meal from it.
    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      "that frozen package of chicken fingers - smallest is a 6lbs box,..."

      Sorry, you went off Insightful right there. Google chicken fingers....Perdue sells 12 oz. packs. Tyson sells 24 oz. packs. Bell and Evens sells 12 oz. packs. Applegate comes in 8 oz.

      Oh, and you can safely leave whatever you don't eat tonight in the freezer for at least a couple of weeks.

  • Wasting food!

    No one wants to waste food. But I'm not about to force-feed myself a quart of old milk, an over-ripe orange, a hotdog bun, and half of a PBJ sandwich that the kids didn't want just so it isn't 'wasted.' That would just be gross and I would get fat(ter).

    Realistically what am I supposed to do as a consumer? I already work hard at not buying something if I'm don't think I'm going to eat it. But, humans, in general, are bad at predicting the future and it is usually impossible just to order a re
    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      It is culture.

      Look at the pond in Florida that could destroy a town. While this pond if from mining, many of these ponds are full of animal waste. They became a thing because animal excrement is no longer used a fertilizer, it is now a waste product we need to dispose of. Which leads to the pond in Florida that is full of the waste from artificial fertilizer.

      Ideally there would be no food waste at the household level. All organic product would composted, either by the house, community, or city. It woul

      • Composting adds CO2 to atmosphere. It is only a thing because of leftover innumeracy from the 1970s of landfill space shortage.

        Bury it, along with yard waste, in non-biodegrading landfills, to take at least some of the pressure off inevitable carbon sequestration plans.

        • by fermion ( 181285 )
          Humans add co2. Bury them all!
        • If it gets ate by anything, including me, it ends up as CO2, which is what happens if it goes in my compost heap.

          But compost improves the soil for the next crop, land filling would remove those nutrients from circulation for good, or at least until the landfill ruptures.

        • Can't tell if you're joking, but in case not, it needs to be pointed out that that looking at a compost pile in isolation is the wrong way.

          Yes, a landfil is pretty much the end destination of whatever goes into it, excepting the methane, ammonia and whatnot coming off of it.

          A compost pile on the other hand should simply be a station in an ongoing recycling loop of nutrient-rich raw materials. My compost pile, for instance, takes yard wastes and kitchen waste and so saves fuel (carbon) by removing the need

      • I live in cattle and dairy country. Around here, the cattle are in field and so not relevant, the dairy farmers use caterpillars to pile the manure up outside the barn and let anyone who wants it come get it. It's pretty much composted and gone by the end of spring.
    • by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @04:07PM (#61256630)

      > Realistically what am I supposed to do as a consumer?

      Well, first thing is to ignore anything that advertises something YOU can do to reduce your carbon footprint. Unless you do ludicrous stuff like "private jet to location A for a week, then back to location B for a weekend, then back to location A", absolutely nothing you do individually will make a lick of difference. If you are looking to be part of a group action, one that adds complexity to your daily life won't help either, as you will either not do it, or have been better off taking that time and offsetting carbon some other way. Finding ways to buy locally can help. Finding ways to ban a teenager from rolling coal will not. Finding ways to transport electricity efficiently by upgrading from WWII era infrastructure will help, gas taxes will not.

      The second thing is to never take ANYONE's advice about food, except as it improves the following three things:
      1- How healthy the food will make you.
      2- How happy the food will make you.
      3- How much money the food will cost you.

      These are the only three things that matter. Almost no one eats "correctly", whatever that means. Everyone above the poverty level is going to be impacted by (1) or (3), everyone below it will be forced to deal with all three at once. Eat expired food if you have to save money. Don't eat it so that you produce less carbon. If it's the same cost to buy three heads of lettuce as it is to buy two, and you eat between 1.5 and 2.2 before they go bad, buy the three and never feel bad pitching the rest. Your food affects you. It doesn't affect the world. If the world chokes on CO2, it will be the fault of governments, corporations, and the media, and never people. Never you. Never. It's all lies, never feel an ounce of guilt for eating or driving or whatever. Unless you are some jet setting millionaire, your personal stuff doesn't affect anything, but switching from fresh food to preserved food to save an ounce of carbon could affect you negatively or something, certainly thinking about it will create stress.

      Generally ignore all advice in articles like this.

  • There are children starving in China.

    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      Very Funny!

      And Untrue!

      No one starves in Taiwan.
      No one starves in Hong Kong

      People Do starve in Mainland China but only the ones that their Federal Government wants to starve.

      As a personal note, my mother would say that to me. One day, I responded, "But they're our enemies, right? Don't we want them to starve?". After that response, she never said that again.
  • a billion tons means 160 kg/person/year. That's 430 grams/day, or an entire dinner for one. That's so far outside my experience I have a hard time believing it. 5% of that is closer to the amount I throw away. Now I have it easy: I live alone so I can cook for one and never have to guess how much I have to prepare. I have a good fridge so rarely have food spoil. Are people really that profligate with their food?

    • Re:number is suspect (Score:5, Informative)

      by Jarik C-Bol ( 894741 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:35PM (#61256548)
      Its not so much individuals, as it is restaurants and grocery stores where ‘ugly’ produce is tossed, damaged (but still sealed) product is tossed, perfectly safe but ‘past expiration date’ product is tossed (those numbers are just manufacturer guesses). Customers refuse to buy ugly, dented, or close to date product, many food banks wont take un-sale-able product, and so it all goes in the trash. Careful ordering and internal use of ‘ugly’ product can only go so far. Take eggs for example, in many cases, it is illegal re-packaging for a retailer to move eggs between cartons to consolidate broken eggs and create full cartons, so that 16 pack of eggs the customer rejects because one $.08 egg had a crack? If the store cant find a use for the other 15, in the trash they must go. Knowing this, I buy the front carton of eggs. Sure I may have to toss a couple, but they are cheep, and at least the rest get used.
      • Even beyond that, lots of restaurants weren't selling well. Some restaurants became grocery stores during the pandemic and sold commercially packed meats, fruits, and vegetables. They mostly only did it to prevent their own waste - I don't think they continued to order more. Wholesalers did make some deals with grocery stores, but it was mostly for things that were in shortage in grocery stores rather than what they had in overstock.

      • by edis ( 266347 )

        perfectly safe but ‘past expiration date’ product is tossed (those numbers are just manufacturer guesses)

        I have accustomed to feed mostly on such from the sale corners, where 50% and 70% discounts do apply (European country). Excellent products are to be found there - from genuine first rate Camembert to the whole duck, awaiting now to be grilled over the weekend, at less than third of the original price. Having very basic experience to handle food, mostly in near-freezing zone of the fridge, allows prolonging perfect use, way beyond the stated dates, which are - correct - preventive guesses. It gets slightly

      • Its not so much individuals, as it is restaurants and grocery stores where ‘ugly’ produce is tossed, damaged (but still sealed) product is tossed,

        You missed a big one - farmers. Farmers contract out to provide 10 tons of tomatoes, so they shoot for 12 tons just to be sure they can fulfill their order. Then they have a good year and end up with 15 tons, and have to figure out how to get rid of 3 tons. But if everyone has the same issue, sometimes the answer is to just plow it back into the field as fertilizer.

        Or maybe they get 12 tons but 2 tons have blemishes or don't meet the agreed upon quality standards. Those veg might not be worth trying to do a

        • Good point, that info was outside the scope of my personal experience, and does a lot to explain the billion tons.
        • You stated all that as if it were facts instead of numbers you pulled out of the air. How about supporting those aspersions?

          I live in farm country and I know of no one who contracts out for specific quantities of produce, especially low numbers like you used. Have you any *idea* of how many tons of tomatoes can be grown on just ten acres?

          They grow the produce and then sell to aggregators.
  • Probably a billion people got wasted too.

  • There are still people who die of hunger, and children who go to school every morning empty stomach, or children who had to work to have some food to survive. Is there any other animal which would die of hunger when food is abundant?
    • Re:And yet... (Score:4, Informative)

      by ffkom ( 3519199 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:57PM (#61256600)
      Yes, absolutely, there are many species that thrive in one location while their relatives starve some distance away. There are birds that starve to death because their slightly older siblings get all the parents bring. There are many mammals that die from starvation because they are left behind by the group that used to live and hunt together. Life is not a pony farm.
  • What about all the food that IS consumed? That's a LOT of excrement. How much energy (not to mention chemicals) goes into sewage treatment facilities? How truly green is sewage treatment?
  • by sheph ( 955019 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:38PM (#61256560)
    What I want to know is who has the job of looking through everyone's trash to figure out what percentage is wasted food. That would be a terrible job.
    • It's "guesses" by "experts" to convince you of something. Run everything through that filter first to figure out if you need pay attention.
  • Yeah, sure (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stikves ( 127823 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @03:49PM (#61256582) Homepage

    Okay, this is serious, but they miss a very crucial component.

    Where food is "plenty" and where it is "needed" are separated by huge distances, sometimes thousands of miles away. Of course there are local anomalies. Here in Bay Area, we have homeless, we also have restaurants that have to dump food due to liability. However at the end of the day we don't actually have *real* hunger.

    On the other hand, in a war ravaged place like Yemen, children are literally dying of hunger. The situation is dire, and even if we wanted to we cannot send any food over there. ahem.. Saudis... ahem..

    I too would prefer we did not waste food. That costs money, time, and of course the environment. However I would prefer to have excess food than too little. And that comes with making it cheap. So cheap that farmers don't bother to pick up fruit falling onto the ground.

    And fixing food issues at distant lands comes first from prosperity and ending the stupid laws. No amount of wishful thinking will make the situation in Yemen better as long as they are under a blockade and constant barrage of missiles.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nichachr ( 98296 )

      And that comes with making it cheap. So cheap that farmers don't bother to pick up fruit falling onto the ground.

      In many areas (CA included) it's not legal to sell fruit once it's touched the ground. This farmer is happy to eat that fruit all year long.

      We would also happily sell the scarred fruit and uglier fruit but it doesn't sell and has to be used in commercial products often times at a financial loss. By the time the fruit is graded it's been picked, washed & transported to a packing facility and they decide what happens to it not the grower. Farmers are paid losing money on this share of the crop and it's

  • by flyingfsck ( 986395 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @04:06PM (#61256626)
    The trashed food is not wasted. It is carbon sequestrated in a land fill. This is an essential contribution to the fight against climate change.
  • I remember hearing about studies indicating that people with food addiction problems could link their issues back to their parents telling them to eat at a certain time even if they weren't hungry and to finish their plate even if they're full because not finishing your food was wasteful. So I'll take some spoiled food over people dying of obesity.
  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @04:39PM (#61256750)
    The system is working as designed, in the U.S. at least (I imagine most other modern countries are similar). The Great Depression and the Dust Bowl saw crop failures in the country on a scale never seen before, and Americans were going hungry because there simply wasn't enough food. To prevent that from ever happening again, the government set up various farming subsidy programs. Farmers don't sell their crops on the market. The government buys it all at higher-than market price, then resells it to the food supply chain at below the paid price (effectively subsidizing farming). When you force a price higher than the market price, supply grows to exceed demand. So the U.S. produces more food than it will consume in a normal year. Thus assuring that if a natural disaster or pestilence should wipe out some of the food crop, we'll still have an adequate safety margin to keep everyone fed (hypothetically - distribution and access still remains a challenge). It's also why we pay farmers not to grow anything - their fields are being held in reserve so they can quickly be put into production if fields elsewhere in the country should be destroyed by another dust bowl. Rather than sold to a developer who will turn them into condominiums. And to allow for future population growth.

    Excess supply means that in a normal year, we have more food than we can actually eat. And the challenge has been to figure out what to do with all this excess food. Some of it gets sent overseas as foreign aid. Some of it gets sold as cattle feed to make steaks cheaper. Some of it gets converted into high fructose corn syrup, to reduce our dependence on imported cane sugar. After the 1973 oil crisis, someone came up with the idea of converting some of it to ethanol as an alternative to gasoline. (That idea has grown to where there's now a separate program to grow corn solely for the purpose of creating ethanol - a stupid program since sugar beets are much more effective. But that's another issue.). That's why thee programs exist even though they are not cost-effective. The energy cost to grow the food they use is a sunk cost [wikipedia.org] . We're not getting it back no matter what we do. So their economic viability can be calculated assuming the food has zero cost - it's better to do something with the food, rather than let it rot in silos feeding rats.

    But the important thing is that as long as these food subsidy programs (and the safety buffer they provide) exist, reducing waste will not reduce the amount of energy devoted to growing food. It will just result in more excess food left over at the end of the year that the government has to figure out some way to get rid of. Same reason why reducing meat consumption won't reduce the amount of energy needed to grow grain to feed cattle - that grain will still end up being produced due to the food subsidies. And worst case it will just end up feeding rats instead of cows.

    If you want to reduce food production (since reducing waste won't necessarily reduce production), you need to come up with an idea which guarantees an adequate emergency supply of food in the event of crop failures, without overproducing.
    • More fucking Slashdot nerd logic.

      It's like you learnt the phrase "working as designed", and are looking to apply to as many situations as possible.
    • Farmers don't sell their crops on the market. The government buys it all at higher-than market price

      Bullshit. I live here. I watch it. That's bullshit.

  • There's no reason to even think about wasted food except that it's an easy target. More than enough food is grown to feed the world. The problem is distribution. And the way to solve THAT problem is warlords heads on pikes and industrialized farming in Africa. There's a long, long line of problems that matter more than wasted food in the West. After all it's not like lower food demand in Europe will significantly translate to lower food prices in Africa. Not longer than a couple of growing seasons anyway. L
    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      industrialized farming in Africa

      Unfortunately much of the land there is not appropriate for industrialized farming, even with massive influxes of fertilizers and pesticides.

      • We have the same land in the southern US (red ass clay) and we grow crops just fine there. Pick the right crop.
    • Let's find a way to prevent the upcoming war between the US and China. Let's find ways to redirect large asteroids.

      Don't think we can really aim them that well yet?

  • by misnohmer ( 1636461 ) on Friday April 09, 2021 @05:22PM (#61256884)

    If we consider the overall food supply chain from production to consumer consumption, is 17% total waste a good or a bad result? How much better can the process efficiency get? We have to grow/prepare food based on some consumption predictions, how accurate can they be? Then we have mother nature, where yields cannot be predicted with 100% accuracy, so sometimes more will be produced than needed. Lastly, is it all truly wasted, or is it recycled by composting, or redirecting byproducts for animal feed for example, etc?

  • This isn't a problem unless you define it as one. It isn't even a problem to people who are starving. The food I tossed out is not available to the famine victim because of space and time. They are too far apart and cannot be put together in a way that will do the famine victim any good. In fact, it is only a problem to the famine victim. And my fat ass tossing out some food is not even his problem. His problem is not having access to the means to acquire nutritious food of his own choosing where he lives.
  • Can you predict how much food we need? No. Then it is bettter to produce more than less.

  • So, for those of us lucky folk who have some wealth - and who consequently seem to be able to "afford" to be able to waste food, one of the first world problems we face is ... an excess of choice, but sometimes without choice in quantity. In fact, most times.

    Sure, I can get single apples, oranges, tomatoes from my local store - there's a fair few products. These are generally perishables that have a longer shelf life.

    But if I want to get, say, a handful of spinach for a meal, I can't do that. I have to buy

  • by tiqui ( 1024021 ) on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:08AM (#61257734)

    This story gets repeated periodically, by different "researchers" and with a few tweaked details, but the same junk idea.

    Allow me to point out why it's junk:

    Food production in the modern industrialized nations is geared to such high efficiency and capacity that it can meet the needs of the population and provide desired variety, and it does this in-part by over-producing. There is simply no way to distribute ANYTHING with 100% efficiency and zero waste, with each person getting exactly what they need, without a theoretical authoritarian dictatorship pointing guns at people, and there's not even any example of THAT model succeeding at the task at any time or place in human history. The over-production model results in surplus, BUT THAT IS NOT "WASTE" - it's the surplus required to make sure the distribution system works as desired. These systems can never distribute all of that surplus perfectly to the people of the third world either - that would require a global dictatorship, which would also fail to distribute it before it rotted. Modern food production is in fact so efficient that food is now so cheap that huge portions of the population (many of them technically in poverty) can afford to overeat and be obese. Compare any pictures of average Americans today to average Americans in 1900 and prepare to be shocked. Compare pictures of Americans in poverty today to pictures of Americans in poverty in 1900 - more shocking. Before somebody pops up with the usual "advocate" position of "those obese Americans today are in food deserts eating 'junk food'", allow me to point out that poor Americans a century ago were eating actual junk for food. Middle class Americans in 1900, and not on farms, ate far less healthy foods and with far less variety. Search the internet for pics of grocery store shelves in 1900, or talk to the very elderly among you about this. Every generation of humans who ever lived before 1900 any where on Earth would have gone to war to have the sort of safe and healthy food, in the variety and abundance we have today - and that provision is only possible because of overproduction and surplus. Get rid of the excess, and the distribution system fails - and then everybody gets to live like people in countries that produce no such surplus.

    Oh, and don't worry about eating every scrap on your plate or in your fast food bag because "people are starving in Africa" - it's a human tragedy that large areas of the globe are inhabited by people without the will to stage revolutions to get rid of their marxist leaders and warlords, and who are thus subject to governments who [poorly, of course] allocate food, but nothing you do will get your excess to them, it's either going into your stomach or into the trash and no amount of thinking like a third grader will change that. If you eat it, the imagined starving African will be no better fed than if you toss it.

    If you truly care about the starving masses, do not encourage the most energetic and motivated to flee those countries for America or Europe, leaving behind huge populations with no will or ability to throw off the chains; instead, encourage them to stay in their countries and throw revolutions to save the populations of those countries and implement political and economic systems that will also produce food surplusses.

  • I thought I got rid of hearing my mother and other adult authorities demand, "Think of all the starving children in China," over 55 years ago. They build in a primal demand that I clean off my bloody plate - now I am obese. Scroom.

    {+,+} Bleah!

  • I can cook and I have a freezer, I have zero food waste. With just a little thinking you don't have to throw away food.
  • When you hear big figures like this, ask them to show their work. They never do.

    The figure may be accurate, but only by including all levels of food waste - including a lot that is simply unavoidable. It begins with harvesting: some produce is imperfect and unsuitable for processing - pretzel-shaped carrots, damaged fruit. The outer leaves of lettuce, stripped and left lying on the field.

    Then processing. Depending on what it is and how you count, you can seriously inflate your food-waste figures. Exampl

  • Haha, you know what the best thing is you can do to slow down climate change? Commit suicide.

  • Where's that Soylent Green factory when you need it?

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