Melting Ice Sheets Triggered 60 Feet of Sea Level Rise 14,600 Years Ago (phys.org) 100
"New research has found that previous ice loss events could have caused sea-level rise at rates of around 3.6 meters per century, offering vital clues as to what lies ahead should climate change continue unabated," reports Phys.org:
A team of scientists, led by researchers from Durham University, used geological records of past sea levels to shed light on the ice sheets responsible for a rapid pulse of sea-level rise in Earth's recent past. Geological records tell us that, at the end of the last ice age around 14,600 years ago, sea levels rose at ten times the current rate due to Meltwater Pulse 1A (MWP-1A); a 500 year, ~18 meter sea-level rise event... The new study uses detailed geological sea-level data and state-of-the-art modelling techniques to reveal the sources... Interestingly, most of the meltwater appears to have originated from the former North American and Eurasian ice sheets, with minimal contribution from Antarctica, reconciling formerly disparate views...
The results are important for our understanding of ice-ocean-climate interactions which play a significant role in shaping terrestrial weather patterns. The findings are particularly timely with the Greenland ice sheet rapidly melting, contributing to a rise in sea levels and changes to global ocean circulation... Lead author Yucheng Lin, in the Department of Geography at Durham University notes, "The next big question is to work out what triggered the ice melt, and what impact the massive influx of meltwater had on ocean currents in the North Atlantic. This is very much on our minds today — any disruption to the Gulf Stream, for example due to melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, will have significant consequences for the UK climate."
The results are important for our understanding of ice-ocean-climate interactions which play a significant role in shaping terrestrial weather patterns. The findings are particularly timely with the Greenland ice sheet rapidly melting, contributing to a rise in sea levels and changes to global ocean circulation... Lead author Yucheng Lin, in the Department of Geography at Durham University notes, "The next big question is to work out what triggered the ice melt, and what impact the massive influx of meltwater had on ocean currents in the North Atlantic. This is very much on our minds today — any disruption to the Gulf Stream, for example due to melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, will have significant consequences for the UK climate."
Re: Yay for 14600 years ago! (Score:3, Funny)
Disclaimer: I own property in the hills in Southern California, so I may be biased.
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Besides, the famine will make the beach tourism industry irrelevant.
Re: Yay for 14600 years ago! (Score:1)
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the concept of property rights will probably disappear with the collapse of many major world governments.
But if you have a boat-mounted machine gun and a few rocket propelled grenades you can hold a claim on some barren coastal tundra that has a 3 month growing season.
Re: Yay for 14600 years ago! (Score:1)
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Governments will never disappear.
Modern governments' power grows and shrinks with GDP. Set GDP to 0 and you have an ineffective and powerless government, a figurehead that pretends to be in charge but can't even wrestle control away from local depots and warlords. You don't have to look much further than modern data Africa to find examples of such nations.
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Re: Yay for 14600 years ago! (Score:1)
If only ice age man had transitioned to fusion energy sooner instead of burning all those fossil fuels, they might have prevented the end of the last ice age.
People laughted, but ... (Score:4, Funny)
The findings are particularly timely with the Greenland ice sheet rapidly melting, contributing to a rise in sea levels and changes to global ocean circulation...
This is why the US wanted to buy Greenland, so it could build a freezer around the whole thing ... :-)
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This is why the US wanted to buy Greenland, so it could build a freezer around the whole thing.
And that’s why, children, the great ice age was started in 2071 when America forgot and left the fridge open.
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Re:14,600 years ago was the end of the last ice ag (Score:5, Interesting)
The ice age hasn't ended [amnh.org]. There's still another 230 feet [usgs.gov] worth of sea level rise frozen at the poles.
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Science [livescience.com].
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The "Ice Age" continues, and will continue for (probably) millions of years more. The GLACIATION ended a while back. Absent some serious attempts to control the planet's climate, the current INTERGLACIAL will end by and by. At which time (probably hundreds of thousands of years from now) we'll have mile-thick ice sheets covering much of the northern land-masses (North America and Eurasia).
Note that "normal" (pre-ice age "normal") is quite a bit
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That's true, the world still getting colder, if you use a 5 million year time scale! [wikipedia.org] But doing so blurs the recent, sudden increase in the global average temperature.
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230 feet worth of sea level rise remaining (Score:2)
Of course, the sea rose dramatically when the ice age ended.
The ice age hasn't ended [amnh.org]. There's another 230 feet [usgs.gov] worth of sea level rise frozen at the poles.
Re: 230 feet worth of sea level rise remaining (Score:2)
how many is that in hands and toes?
70 meters gentlemen.
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Re: 230 feet worth of sea level rise remaining (Score:2)
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Movies copying real life. (Score:2)
So 14,000 years ago was a prehistoric Waterworld staring an ancestor of Kevin Costner?
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So 14,000 years ago was a prehistoric Waterworld staring an ancestor of Kevin Costner?
It is very likely on the order of certain the earth, 140 centuries ago, had a Costner ancestor who danced with wolves and was very handsome once he shaved.
Tambien, it is equally likely the earth experienced climate change that resulted in decreased water storage as ice plates, without the contribution of an advanced race of hairless monkeys... FD: I believe the science. I believe that 7 billion humans (an outbreak species) is affecting the the earth in some negative way, and, is contributing to the climate
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Citation required (but not expected).
The coast line of the Persian Gulf, particularly at the Tigris/ Euphrates end has actually moved out into the Gulf over the time from the writing of the Utnapishtim/ Noah legend, not receded and drowned previous areas of coastal land.
But that's only the last 5000 to 6000 years - a third of the age of the events considered here.
Re: Grow Up, Humans (Score:4, Insightful)
Imagine thinking climate change is not man-made.
Let me guess: you're American?
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> Climate change has been happening for billions of years.
At the rate of 0.1 degrees per thousand years. This past ten years saw 0.2 - 0.7 degrees depending if you go with the conservative or panicy estimates. Yes, the conservative estimates put the 2010-2019 change in average world temperature at 0.2 degrees Celsius.
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The correlations between the start of the effect with the start of human dumping increased levels of CO2 into the atmosphere are very strong. Furthermore, the mechanism behind how increased atmospheric CO2 increases global temperature (energy stored) is rather simple.
Thank god (Score:3)
My NY apartment is on the 65 floor.
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Too bad the commissary is on the 1st
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He plans to fish on the 40th floor.
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"So you've got about, what, two months .."
It was a joke, all the city would be under water and it barely works now without water 'til the 7th floor.
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It means gradually pulling back from low-lying areas not the sudden flood people pretend is going to happen.
Because of the ebb and flow of the tides, and of course extreme events like hurricanes, you will experience sea level rise as increasingly frequent and sudden floods rather than a monotonic rise of inches per decade.
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Oh wait, they are.
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Storm events, less so.
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What's the plan for people living on Pacific islands or in Bangladesh? Gradually pulling back to where ...?
To the new oceanfront property in Greenland and West Antarctica.
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Too bad about no soil there.
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Do you really think that the people in the soon-to-be-inundated lowlands are going to quietly drown themselves just because their neighbors have lawyers, guns and money? There's going to be a lot of shooting before things are over....
That said, we're going to have to manage the planet's climate from now till we've moved entirely off-planet.
Or we go extinct, whichever comes first....
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Haven't you received any of the paperwork in the last 40-odd years?
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Are they saying some kind of natural warming process caused the earth to heat up and ice sheets melt?
I didn't think that was possible without the plague of human and cow emissions. After all, we have complete and accurate temp and CO2 data since the earth began. Color me skeptical.
Is ignorance a badge of pride among "skeptics"?
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Old news (Score:4, Informative)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Solid geological evidence, based largely upon analysis of deep cores of coral reefs, exists only for three major periods of accelerated sea level rise, called meltwater pulses, during the last deglaciation. The first, Meltwater pulse 1A, lasted between c. 14.6–14.3 ka, a 13.5 m rise over about 290 years centered at 14.2 ka.
The EHSLR spans Meltwater pulses 1B and 1C, between 12,000 and 7,000 years ago:
Meltwater pulse 1B between c. 11.4–11.1 ka, a 7.5 m rise over about 160 years centered at 11.1 ka, which includes the Younger Dryas interval of reduced sea level rise at about 6.0–9.9 mm/yr;
Meltwater pulse 1C between c. 8.2–7.6 ka, centered at 8.0 ka, a rise of 6.5 m in less than 140 years.[4][5][6]
Such rapid rates of sea level rising during meltwater events clearly implicate major ice-loss events related to ice sheet collapse. The primary source may have been meltwater from the Antarctic ice sheet. Other studies suggest a Northern Hemisphere source for the meltwater in the Laurentide Ice Sheet.[6]
Kevin Costner not required. A largish sailboat might be.
Not really relevant today (Score:2)
Interestingly, most of the meltwater appears to have originated from the former North American and Eurasian ice sheets, with minimal contribution from Antarctica, reconciling formerly disparate views.
Massive glaciers that lowered sea levels during the last Ice Age melted and the former sea level was restored. Meh.
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Those glaciers are still melting and sea level raising.
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Those glaciers are still melting and sea level raising.
Didn't see that coming. /s
Timely... (Score:3)
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This is not possible (Score:2)
In those days, Republicans did not exist.
Gibralter waterfall (Score:4, Insightful)
The Mediterranean Sea has dried up repeatedly during ice ages. I would very much like to see the waterfall as the Atlantic Ocean refills it. A smaller version also existed at the Bosporus Straight, perhaps in only a few thousand years ago.
Take a look at the Gibraltar Straight on the NOAA map: https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/ [noaa.gov]
There's a steeply-banked, narrow channel that appears to have been carved by rushing water.
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More to the point, there are also steeply incised canyons below present sea level for most of the rivers that enter the Mediterranean basin, showing that the water level was far below the current level across most of the area of the
and CO2 levels will be much higher (Score:2)
Remember that the CO2 levels are now at an 800,000 year high, at a minimum.
https://www.co2.earth/co2-ice-... [www.co2.earth]
https://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov... [lbl.gov]
This sea level rise happened when CO2 levels peaked at about 350ppm (actually less).
So this WILL happen, it's baked into the cake, and there will be quite a few humans around to see it happen.
Your dystopian future, coming soon to a planet near you.
14600 Yrs Ago - When humans caused climate change (Score:1, Troll)
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In other words: "If humans didn't case climate change 14,600 years ago, they can't possibly be causing climate change now!"
Genius, pure genius.
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In other words: "If humans didn't case climate change 14,600 years ago, they can't possibly be causing climate change now!"
More "If humans didn't cause climate change 14,600 years ago, what did, and what could we be missing behind all of the people rushing to line up behind the IPCC's blind assumption that CO2, and only CO2, is the cause of the recent warming? If it's happening again, the single-minded drive to eliminate anthropogenic CO2 emissions could be throwing money down a rathole when it could be better spent on improving life in general."
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So, just to establish your argument, you are completely discounting the high level of CO2 in our atmosphere right now, the highest it's been for at least 800,000 years, in order to wonder what might have happened 14,600 years ago that may have caused a similar effect? And you think we should ignore everything we know about the green house effect and the fact that our planet is warming right now and instead spend a lot of money and time looking to see if something outside our control is magically causing th
Could be bad. (Score:2)
Yup, things could really get bad 14,600 years from now. I'm moving to the top of Mt.Everest right away.
It all averages out (Score:1)
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