India Sets World Record For New Covid Cases With 314,000 Infections (nbcnews.com) 140
India reported a global record of more than 314,000 new infections Thursday as a grim coronavirus surge hits the world's second-most populous country, sending more and more sick people into a fragile health care system critically short of hospital beds and oxygen. From a report: The 314,835 infections added in the past 24 hours raise India's total past 15.9 million cases since the pandemic began. It's the second-highest total in the world next to the United States. India has nearly 1.4 billion people. A large number of hospitals are reporting acute shortages of beds and medicine and are running on dangerously low levels of oxygen. The New Delhi High Court on Wednesday ordered the government to divert oxygen from industrial use to hospitals to save people's lives.
"You can't have people die because there is no oxygen. Beg, borrow or steal, it is a national emergency," the judges said responding to a petition by a New Delhi hospital seeking its intervention. The government is rushing oxygen tankers to replenish supplies to hospitals. India's Health Minister Harsh Vardhan said on Thursday that "demand and supply is being monitored round the clock." He said in a tweet that to address the exponential spike in demand, the government has increased the quota of oxygen for the worst-hit seven states. The surge has brought pain, fear and agony to many lives in New Delhi and other cities. In scenes familiar across the country, ambulances are seen rushing from one hospital to another, trying to find an empty bed. Grieving relatives are lining up outside crematoriums where the arrival of dead bodies has jumped several times.
"You can't have people die because there is no oxygen. Beg, borrow or steal, it is a national emergency," the judges said responding to a petition by a New Delhi hospital seeking its intervention. The government is rushing oxygen tankers to replenish supplies to hospitals. India's Health Minister Harsh Vardhan said on Thursday that "demand and supply is being monitored round the clock." He said in a tweet that to address the exponential spike in demand, the government has increased the quota of oxygen for the worst-hit seven states. The surge has brought pain, fear and agony to many lives in New Delhi and other cities. In scenes familiar across the country, ambulances are seen rushing from one hospital to another, trying to find an empty bed. Grieving relatives are lining up outside crematoriums where the arrival of dead bodies has jumped several times.
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"Worse" is a matter of definition. I mean if you consider that overpopulation is a problem in India, perhaps things might get better?
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I didn't know Thanos had a Slashdot account.
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Even if everyone was skilled, overpopulation is a matter of finite land and finite resources on this planet.
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I'm pretty sure that given a choice, most people would not want to live in a city as dense as New York.
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Possibly everywhere too (Score:3)
This is why foreign policy matters. You fight it over there so you don't fight it over here.
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From the beginning people haven’t been able to put covid statistics
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What evidence do you have that my sympathy is insincere? What evidence do you have that I don't care about child malnutrition? I posted information about COVID on a story about COVID.
Furthermore, the site I linked shows 2256 people in India died of COVID today. If this rate were to continue for a full year, it would surpass 700K, i.e. COVID was more deadly than childhood malnutrition today in India. This rate will not continue for a full year, however; it's on a sharp upwards trajectory. So, while prov
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You do know that the new variants put young people in the hospital and without oxygen, they die. The 80 year olds dying was last year, before idiots decided to try to help it mutate. I'm in Canada, a 2 year old died from Covid the other day and the hospitals are full of 30-50 year olds now. Those 30-50 year olds are going to have a high mortality rate without medical care.
In India, if your numbers are right, a lot of kids are going to be finished off by Covid as their malnutrition makes them vulnerable.
The
The World Pays The Price (Score:5, Insightful)
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You mean that new one with the double mutations? Hasn't been studied enough yet to decide if it is a variant of concern or simply a variant of interest.
Perhaps it'll end up like Brazil where towns where most everyone caught the first one are now catching the P.1 variant, which is more infectious and attacks the younger people. I guess the 30 year olds can just stay isolated, they're old and going to die anyways.
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If only reality showed that. Even the Spanish Flu killed a million in the first wave and 50 million by the 3rd wave before disappearing.
Some of these new variants are scary, more infectious, and making the young sick. Hospitals here in Canada are now filling up with 30-50 year olds. With good medical care they usually survive but if the ICU's get overloaded or more likely, we run out of medical staff, the death rate will go up.
Thank God the Conservatives got rid of our vaccine manufacturer as we could alway
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Yes, eventually some of these viruses like the flu mutated away after a few years of killing lots of people. Others like smallpox just kept coming around until we started vaccinating people in very large numbers. Likewise with the measles, mumps and various other diseases that came around in cycles. Just because one of the many diseases is known for mutating into harmlessness does not mean all are going to do that. And even the Spanish Flu got much worse before fading away. This one will likely fade away to
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Politics is a lot more complicated then a simple right and left axis. The old Canadian Progressive party was a farmers party, mostly centred in the prairies. Farmers are natural socialists and natural conservatives. They don't like change and cling to the old ways and what could be more socialist then the small family farm and farming community, along with co-ops and similar associations.
The main thing the Progressives pushed was free trade with America, at a time when, at least the north of America and Can
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I guess you're right about not realizing that globalism was about removing borders, something that in theory might be nice but is currently totally impracticable. I've never met anyone who seriously wants to remove borders and have a one world citizenship. There are some who want to remove some borders, such as the natives in Washington State who just won the right to ignore the border, but that is based on historical ownership and the Canadian Constitution recognizes the original owners of the land.
Then th
Deaths per capita still very low (Score:4, Insightful)
If we use the ever handy worldometers.info to check deaths per 1 million population for a few key countries we see the following rather less headline grabbing numbers.
Hungary 2697
UK 1868
USA 1755
India 134 (which puts India in 120th place on this measure)
I agree that the death rate in India is rapidly increasing and clearly it is going to climb the charts, but I think it will be a very long time before it can compete on per capita deaths with leading countries like the UK and USA.
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Err, these new variants kill young people without medical attention (mostly oxygen). Besides the numbers from India are very suspect as likely they are not testing enough.
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Test positivity rate is what matters.
Doesnt matter how many you test. How many as a percentage turn up positive gives you an idea of how prevalent the spread is.
The numbers ARE bad. Test positivity is up to 30% in Delhi almost as bad as New York during the peak as compared to Test Positivity which was at 4-5% in February.
Test positivity numbers are actually an upper bound on the actual spread as people get tested when they have symptoms or exposed to covid positive fol
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While you make a good point, I was thinking more of different areas. An imaginary example would be if the Kashmir area had a lot of infections without any testing and an area with few cases had a lot of testing. It seems the number of negative tests would be higher then if the testing was more random.
I have no idea how it actually works in India besides the knowledge that it is a big place with thin resources.
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Not everything is properly reported in India.
That and the reason it's a big country means that there's a higher numbers of mutations that can show up too.
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When COVID first hit, I thought..."uh, oh, India is really screwed"...but that really wasn't the case. They did better than the US and most of Europe for most of the pandemic
I genuinely don't understand India's COVID situation. Can anyone explain why they did so well at first?...and what caused the recent spike? Every article I read talks about shortages of oxygen and a high toll, but I haven't yet found one that explained why. I am genuinely curious as to the scientific reason for each.
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India has a young population. It's a country where 10% of people still die of tuberculosis, and 5% of diarrhea. India's per capita testing is also quite low compared to countries like the US, so you're not going to catch nearly as many of the less serious cases, and the young population means a smaller proportion of cases are going to be serious.
The death rate in India currently is still only about half what it is in the US (and that's comparing a record peak for India and the lowest rate in the US since la
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India did have a massive spike and looked to overtake the U.S. at one point but then they suddenly managed to get COVID under control through severe lockdowns and their numbers dropped off while the U.S. was rapidly rising as it headed into Thanksgiving and Christmas and blew everyone else away with almost 250K new cases per day.
India is not doing lockdowns this time around, so the natural result is a massive ballooning of cases because people are morons who like to gather and spread diseases to each other.
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One thing that confused me was how India's numbers were so low for so long.
India went through very strong lockdowns starting at the end of March last year, back when the USA and several other world leaders were telling people their 7 cases of "just the flu" would soon be zero cases. They took the virus seriously which is how they kept the numbers low for so long. There are parts of India which have literally been shutdown for 13 months now though restrictions are getting lax and lax, which you can correlate well with the rising numbers.
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An epidemiologist quoted in https://www.npr.org/sections/g... [npr.org] says it was the result of a recent sudden reopening.
The March 2020 and onward lockdown was a grim thing that cost lives but it kept infection rates on the first row of the chessboard.
On top of that the nature of exponential growth is that it starts deceptively slowly.
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Here are more scientists, with more points of view. There may be more than one cause, with increasingly infectious variants being a prime suspect.
https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]
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...it's a shame they had to claim one such as this.
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I keep hearing about so-called anti-vaxxers, but I have yet to meet anyone who is rabidly anti-vaccination. Instead, I hear things like:
Absolutely worthless story. (Score:2)
Instead, it is far more important to know cases / 1M, and deaths / 1M [worldometers.info] Combined with current trends [worldometers.info]
For example, the cases in last 7 days / 1M population and deaths in last 7 days/1M pop is pretty decent stat from trends.br
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Look at the cases in last 7 days / 1M population.
Basically, if you look at the % increases, the nations without vaccines, OR that are using CHinese vaccines [cgtn.com], are the ones still increasing.
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> more than 314,000 new infections
With their technical schools, I'd expect 314,159.
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And the worst part is Modi regime in India procured 66 million Covaxin/Covishield units at an inflated price and exported them;
Criminal negligence; Modi should be in Jail, if Constitution permits;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Good job describing the United States, the country that set the COVID records!
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Notice that all 3 countries on the COVID infections podium were put there by right-wing demagogues with ethno-nationalist tendencies.
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Notice that all 3 countries on the COVID infections podium were put there by right-wing demagogues with ethno-nationalist tendencies.
Andorra, Montenegro, and Czech Republic? Because those are the countries leading in total Covid infections per capita. [nytimes.com]
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If we're going to start applying more criteria, perhaps we should also consider adding population density and access to health care?
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If we're going to start applying more criteria, perhaps we should also consider adding population density and access to health care?
The U.S. is the third most populous country in the world. It would be unusual for us not to have one of the highest number of infections in terms of raw numbers, especially considering that we have a huge amount of global travel for a variety of reasons.
It's also not a monolithic political entity either. Trying to pin the blame entirely on the Federal government is as stupid as trying to give it sole credit for anything.
Really this isn't over yet and it's incredibly shortsighted to make idiot proclamations about who did well or didn't until we can step back and truly analyze everything.
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And yet, we keep hearing how the U.S. has the best healthcare in the world. Apparently the hundreds of billions we spend each year didn't amount to much. Perhaps we should change the system to see if we get better results.
Trying to pin the blame entirely on the Federal government is as stupid as trying to give it sole credit for anything.
And yet, it was the Federal government under the leadership of the con artist which refused to acknowledge the extent the pandemic [go.com], which said it's no worse than the flu [forbes.com], which told the states they are on their own [thehill.com] for getting supplies, that the national stockpile of PPE wasn't for states to use [go.com], and which intercepted shipments of PPE and other equipment [businessinsider.com] states had purchased.
Really this isn't over yet and it's incredibly shortsighted to make idiot proclamations about who did well or didn't until we can step back and truly analyze everything.
Yes, it is over. Just listen to the Fox tabloid say every night that with vaccinations everything should be back to normal. No need for masks, no need for social distancing, no need for any protection whatsover. It's over. Ignore the nearly 600,000 dead. It was all a hoax.
As for who did well or didn't, considering the U.S. leads the world in deaths, and the vast majority of those deaths came when a right wing narcissist was in control and did his very best to lie and deny about the extent of the pandemic, even going so far as to make a show of being let go from the hospital after he contracted covid and looked like he was on his last legs standing still [newsweek.com], it's easy to make a proclamation about how well things went.
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And yet, we keep hearing how the U.S. has the best healthcare in the world. Apparently the hundreds of billions we spend each year didn't amount to much. Perhaps we should change the system to see if we get better results.
It produced the first two vaccines in the world which will likely save millions of lives. But sure, the glass is half empty.
And yet, it was the Federal government under the leadership of...
Media does what media does. Governors have more power to enact local distancing and lock-down measures. But sure, Orange man bad...
Yes, it is over. Just listen to the Fox tabloid say
I'm seeing a pattern here. Maybe wind down you dose of the media hype.
As for who did well or didn't, considering the U.S. leads the world in deaths...
And California and New York lead the nation in deaths...
It is easy to oversimplify complex things to suit your political agenda. Just watch your chosen media outlet and believe whatever
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We only hear that from the uninformed and the Fox News idiots pushing an agenda. Real studies that focus on outcomes, not money spent, show that the USA has the worst healthcare of any western nation.
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Well, to be honest a lot of the US's low average lifespan is due to obesity, which is caused by urban planning (people are forced to drive everywhere and not walk) and perhaps cultural factors, rather than the health system per se.
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This is such a terrible take on the UK's response to covid. The UK saw poor outcomes because a rightwing government:
1. underfunded the NHS and public health for more than a decade, and also worsened the social determinants of health through increasing poverty, food poverty, poor public transport, poor air quality, etc. All of this ensured that many people got really sick due to comobordities that they wouldn't have had if a less rightwing government had been in place, and when they needed help from the NHS,
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The U.S. is the third most populous country in the world. It would be unusual for us not to have one of the highest number of infections in terms of raw numbers, especially considering that we have a huge amount of global travel for a variety of reasons.
Thanks for beating me to it. It drives me bonkers when anyone cites a COVID stat but doesn't make it per-capita.
According to OurWorldInData [ourworldindata.org], the confirmed case rate in India is exactly the same as the US and basically the same as Germany and Canada, about 200 cases per day per million people. The UK is right on top of Japan at just under 40 cases/day/1m people (that is, one fifth the rate in India or the USA). Both Sweden and France are way higher at around 500 cases/day/1m people and surprisingly, their curves looks quite similar. It's almost as if lockdown ordinances don't actually accomplish much.
(Before anyone says it, I'm a little skeptical of the India numbers. I wonder how good their reporting is. Same with Brazil. I have to imagine there are lots of areas with poor data collection. If anyone can shed light on this, I'm all ears.)
Oh, and if you want other fun comparisons, switch to confirmed deaths per day. USA, Sweden, and Germany all have the same rates, Canada and India are lower, France is higher, and everyone is much, much lower than the January peak.
OWID is a total time suck for a data geek like me. There are all sorts of charts and comparisons you can do. Which comparisons mean anything is anyone's guess. I don't try to interpret any factoid until I put it in context here.
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Marked as troll. Why? Because foreign countries are only of interest in the service of local political posturing?
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Oh boy the coward stalked who wishes to be anonymous has arrived, with a lack of arguments and abusive nature as his weapon.
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Yes, hindu-chimps are racist against Morons. Sorry that was autocorrected. I mean Americans of course.
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The United States is not Densely Populated. Its problem is due to aging infrastructure, and political unwillingness to spend money on fixing it.
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I agree, U.S.A. politicians are always too old!
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Good job describing the United States, the country that set the COVID records!
Yes, it's amusing to note that this "record" of infections means that for the first time, this week India's cases per capita rate finally rose to equal that of the United States (19.1 new cases per 100,000),
In terms of total number of cases since the pandemic started, India is at 1.2% of the population. The U.S. has had eight times as many cases, at 9.7%.
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That's meaningless. Even assuming that the data from India is accurate, India has a MUCH younger population than the US and most of Europe, and most younger people tend to be asymptomatic, i.e. they won't show up in statistics neither as infected or dead (nobody bothers to do random testing of people of all age groups, in rural areas; they only test people who already have reason to believe they're infected).
If India's numbers per capita are similar to those from the US, then you should assume that the shit
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These new variants hit young people much harder. Here in Canada, the hospitals are filling up with 30-50 year olds, locally we just had a 2 year old die from Covid.
What the herd immunity people never thought about is that the more infections, the more chance of mutations, with perhaps a 50/50 chance of those mutations being worse.
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China's numbers are not completely accurate. Besides the fact that virtually no country's numbers on Covid are, China (like some other countries) does not count deaths that occur after a Covid infection that result later from health issues (such as heart damage) that Covid caused. That said, China in most of the country could not hide major outbreaks overwhelming hospitals. China's health system in Wuhan was totally swamped early last year. Using draconian measures that no Western government could get away with, they successfully eliminated the virus in Wuhan and elsewhere in China. They have had some outbreaks since. However, in China, the government can and does impose hard lockdowns when necessary to stamp out these outbreaks. The Chinese numbers over the last nine months are in the same ballpark relative to population as other countries that have pursued an elimination strategy, when accounting for some undercounting of deaths for the reasons I cite above.
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Whereas in the US, we seem to have largely the opposite problems where damned near every death since last march has been listed as a covid death, regardless of if it was the actual cause of death.
Lay off the Fox News.
We know the US isn't able to accurately tally every death related to Covid, which is why our Covid-related death tolls are almost certainly still underreported. The CDC reports US deaths from March 2020 through today and total deaths are much higher than previous years even after adding in all reported Covid-19 deaths. Well outside of normal yearly fluctuations. One study [umn.edu] estimated 35% of COVID deaths were unreported as of November 2020. This could put the actual number of deaths closer to 700,000 today.
Hell, we've had motorcycle deaths attributed to covid....
I'm not sure if this is true, but when this is all over there probably will be standard accidents where the Covid pandemic was a contributing factor to their death. One of the key reasons to limit the spread of the virus was so standard medical treatments were not affected by overwhelmed hospitals and staff. Plenty of people have died of heart attacks and cancer and accidents who normally would have lived if our health system wasn't overrun by Covid patients.
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Here is a Denver Coroner complaining about an incorrectly classified COVID death.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/20... [cbslocal.com]
Here is Dr. Birx saying all patients who die with coronavirus in their system are classified as COVID deaths.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?... [c-span.org]
There were 2,900,000 deaths in the US in 2019. That number rises around 40k-60k each year as population increases. There were 3,360,000 deaths in the US in 2020. You would expect about 2,960,000 US deaths on the high end (2,940,000 on the low end), so about 400,000 - 420,000 people dying because of Covid is going to be a pretty accurate number (just in 2020). Actual reported Covid deaths in 2020 was around 350,000, so pretty close but still almost certainly underreported. Many deaths will be incorrectly att
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I am sure writing this is pointless, but I have to try. If, as some propaganda claims, hospitals were falsifying medical records of hundreds of thousands to claim money for treating Covid patients, there would be prosecutions. While you may doubt this, insurance companies are not in the habit of sitting back and allowing themselves to be swindled out of billions of dollars. There may be rare isolated cases where a medical facility succeeded in such a scam, but it is ridiculous to believe a widespread fraud could succeed. Like many things claimed in propaganda on social media or elsewhere, use your brain. Where is the evidence? If the evidence exists, why are the insurance companies doing nothing about it? If there is no evidence, why are you believing it?
There are cases where it is genuinely difficult to decide whether Covid should be cited as a factor in deaths. Most important, approximately a third of those who are released from hospital after a Covid infection require further hospital treatment within half a year of their release and about an eighth die. Since many are elderly, when they die of lung infections or heart failure, although this might be a result of organ damage from the infection, it is very difficult often to be sure if they would have lived but for Covid.
The reality is that Covid deaths were significantly undercounted in the early stages in the US with many deaths at home not mentioning Covid on the death certificates due to a dearth of testing. I believe that has been addressed, and US death statistics from Covid are now fairly accurate.
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The reality is that Covid deaths were significantly undercounted in the early stages in the US
False. Covid deaths were significantly undercounted in *all* stages in the US. In fact the highest excess mortality figures came in January of this year, worse than the peak in April of last year.
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Ted Nugent is singing a different tune now... since he claims COVID nearly killed him.
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Unfortunately, his tune is the same. He's still a stupid racist.
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We are not in a crisis situation because we are throwing money at, a ballooning the debt, all the people who, like Ted Nugent, are refusing vaccines and getting purposefully infected.
First off, you have a very odd definition of "crisis" if you think the US is sailing through this by throwing money at it. US hospitals weren't exactly calm and serene a year ago. Being forced to send thousands of infected elderly back to nursing homes to spread it and die? Yeah, I'd call that a crisis.
Regarding refusing vaccines...Brand-new vaccine. mRNA based. Multiple COVID vaccines are now under scrutiny. Those who were arrogantly beating their chest in praise of the single-jab J&J vaccine, p
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What is interesting is when we being given fun drugs, like opioids, most of us d,not consider the risk. While we have administered vaccines to nearly half the adult population, resul
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I'm not sure opioid deaths are a great comparison. In 2012, there were 255 million prescriptions written for opioids and fewer than 14,000 deaths from prescription opioids, or about 1 death for every 18,000-some prescriptions written. I can only find (for low effort definitions of find) data going back to 1999, but prescription opioid deaths ran to less than 3000 then. The data for prescriptions doesn't go back further than 2006, but they were around 215 million that year and its difficult to see that nu
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Honestly I think car accidents are the better parallel. I'd wager that outside of a very narrow group of crunchy organic anti-vaxxers, 99.9% of the Covid anti-vaxxers are red-blooded, rollin' coal, truck drivin' types who would never think twice about driving even though around 40k die in car crashes every year. And like Covid, there's a ton of people with ongoing health problems from car crashes.
Honestly, the risk of opioids is too low to compare to vaccines fairly unless you're woofing street fent.
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I doubt any antivax radical would turn down A Vicodin if they had an ingrown toenail.
An addict would not turn down a Vicodin if they had an ingrown toenail.
A smart person, would tell the doctor to their face to fuck off with that idea. I'd rather deal with the pain that Tylenol can't handle, than have to deal with opioid addiction.
And I'm not even speaking from experience. Plenty of evidence around us as to how quickly that addiction can set in, and how bad it can get. Screw that.
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The risk of COVID is not the same for everyone. Plenty of people are staying home where their risk of infection is nearly zero. For them to go outside and get a potentially deadly vaccine is not a choice that should be made for them. On the other hand you have people whose job require face-to-face interactions, whose COVID risk cannot be mitigated without using the vaccine. Only in the latter cases you can apply the vaccine vs. COVID infection risk comparison.
Also the risk of the vaccine is still uncertain
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Yes, virus risk varies across sub-populations. But people consistently *under*estimate the risks, *especially* the risks other than death. Long covid is nasty, and is common among the young. And no-one wants to be locked down forever. Vaccines are the route back to normality, and the risks associated with them are minute compared to the risks of infection.
Agmatine for long term opioid use (Score:3)
If you have chronic pain, Agmatine will reset the opioid pain receptors. Ketamine does the same thing but Agmatine is an amino acid and not dangerous, as far as I know. There was an FDA press release last year about it and they recommend it for people using opioid for chronic pain. Of course, where pain is concerned, YMMV.
There used to be a little device that would shock your ear, and that also works surprisingly well for chronic pain. But then the company that made them got sued and that's why we ca
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Regarding refusing vaccines...Brand-new vaccine. mRNA based. Multiple COVID vaccines are now under scrutiny. Those who were arrogantly beating their chest in praise of the single-jab J&J vaccine, practically poking fun at the other "weaker" vaccines that require multiple injections, certainly aren't now since the "pause" was announced.
Is an "anti-vax" mentality towards COVID vaccines, really all that hard to understand?
The problem isn't the vaccine, it's the media reporting of the vaccine. Yes the J&J vaccine, like the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, can cause a rare blood clotting problem. But the odds of getting that complication is less than the odds of getting Covid, which is especially ironic given that Covid causes blood clotting on a large scale.
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Regarding refusing vaccines...Brand-new vaccine. mRNA based. Multiple COVID vaccines are now under scrutiny. Those who were arrogantly beating their chest in praise of the single-jab J&J vaccine, practically poking fun at the other "weaker" vaccines that require multiple injections, certainly aren't now since the "pause" was announced.
Is an "anti-vax" mentality towards COVID vaccines, really all that hard to understand?
The problem isn't the vaccine, it's the media reporting of the vaccine. Yes the J&J vaccine, like the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, can cause a rare blood clotting problem. But the odds of getting that complication is less than the odds of getting Covid, which is especially ironic given that Covid causes blood clotting on a large scale.
I would agree that the media is at the heart of this, which also exacerbates even the problem you've described. People are hesitant to take blood-clotting vaccines because of the fearmongering numbers and lies being amplified by the media.
While at the same time, people are hesitant to believe that COVID is really all that bad or deadly, because of the fearmongering numbers and lies being amplified by the media.
It's practically funny hearing people say the media is unbiased when a Martian rover could spot
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Those who were arrogantly beating their chest in praise of the single-jab J&J vaccine
I've not seen or heard of this. The public reaction to efficacy data from J&J has been rightfully overwhelmingly negative leading to numerous attempts by the media to polish turds by emphasizing effectiveness against life threatening disease.
Took an intern job over the summer to make ends meet. I was on gold-polishing duty that day in the J&J Sales das Schloss, and happened to be putting a final shine on the solid gold chair the lead salescritter was sitting in at the time when said chest-beating was going on. Arrogant bastards sounded like a Viking war chant by the end of the meeting. You should have seen how many virgins were sacrificed because they got it down to one injection.
Perhaps my view, is slightly biased.
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To put this perspective, if we scale the infection in the US to India, the US is also around 300,000 a day.
Good point. According to the New York Times, [nytimes.com] the world Covid hot spot is Turkey, which has ~3.5 times as many cases per capita.
This seems to be a case of India having inadequate healthcare resources, and low quality data journalism.
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The way I see it is
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Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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I don't think the problem is their FSM (Score:2, Interesting)
The problem is we've turned vaccines into a political wedge issue in order to keep a minority party in control of government without that party having to, well, govern.
When you're not going to do anything positive for your constituents you need to
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You would think those Democrats are so good at orchestrating such a large conspiracy that they would be more consistently elected into office, as well be sure their actions wouldn't be obvious by some random guys on the internet.
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That's one lame-ass conspiracy.
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Wrong thread, buddy?
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> Follow the real science covid19criticalcare.com
http://c19ivermectin.com/ [c19ivermectin.com] is perhaps a bit more researcher-oriented. But do follow the whole IMASK+ protocol - ivermectin alone is much less effective.
One of India's states had its curve get much, much better when they were distributing prophylaxis to all residents (they've hired neighborhood captains for real on-the-ground education and organizing - very un-Western). Unfortunately, they declared an early victory and let up the pressure too soon, from wh
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FDA: Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 [fda.gov]
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yes, obviously this medicine for parasitic worms is totes gonna be effective against the covid. also, i hear the good ol' MMS knocks it right out!
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yes, obviously this medicine for parasitic worms is totes gonna be effective against the covid. also, i hear the good ol' MMS knocks it right out!
I'm sure it works a little bit. But to be really sure you know you need to bleach that fucker out. Just a quick wash of the lungs and you're good to go.