NYC Gig Workers Are Organizing Against Rampant E-Bike Theft and Assault (vice.com) 113
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: A massive procession of gig workers riding e-bikes with food coolers strapped to their backs protested in streets of Manhattan on Wednesday with a growing set of grievances: wage theft, no access to bathrooms, arbitrary deactivations, rampant e-bike theft, and violent assault and murder while they're working. The mass demonstration was the second organized by Los Deliveristas Unidos, a growing grassroots campaign formed by immigrant Latinx delivery workers in New York City during the pandemic. The group formed last year to organize for better working conditions on food delivery apps, as New Yorkers laid off during the pandemic have turned to gig work. In recent weeks, workers have organized on Whatsapp and other apps to form self-defense groups. Organizers estimate more than 1,000 app-based delivery workers attended Wednesday's protest -- which took over Times Square. Delivery workers honked horns, waved Mexican and Guatemalan flags, and raised banners in Spanish that said "Don't buy bikes on the street without a receipt" and "United we are stronger."
Wednesday's protest follows a growing trend of violent assaults and murders of app-based grocery and food delivery workers not just in New York City, but across the United States. In early April, a 29-year old e-bike delivery delivery worker, Francisco Villalva Vitinio, was shot and killed while delivering food in Manhattan. In Washington DC, two teenage girls allegedly carjacked and killed a 66-year old UberEats driver, Mohammed Anwar, in late March. Gig workers have also been killed in Illinois, Texas, Virginia, New Jersey, and Michigan over the past 18 months. The assaults and murders have forced e-bike delivery workers to do their jobs with the constant threat of violence and financial ruin looming over their heads. "Los Deliveristas Unidos is pushing for New York City Council to pass a package of laws that would improve their working conditions, including the right to use restaurants' bathroom (which have been closed to workers during the pandemic), insurance to protect workers from robberies, free personal protective equipment, access to a copy of their receipts to verify tip amounts, and limits to distance and weight on deliveries," adds Motherboard.
Wednesday's protest follows a growing trend of violent assaults and murders of app-based grocery and food delivery workers not just in New York City, but across the United States. In early April, a 29-year old e-bike delivery delivery worker, Francisco Villalva Vitinio, was shot and killed while delivering food in Manhattan. In Washington DC, two teenage girls allegedly carjacked and killed a 66-year old UberEats driver, Mohammed Anwar, in late March. Gig workers have also been killed in Illinois, Texas, Virginia, New Jersey, and Michigan over the past 18 months. The assaults and murders have forced e-bike delivery workers to do their jobs with the constant threat of violence and financial ruin looming over their heads. "Los Deliveristas Unidos is pushing for New York City Council to pass a package of laws that would improve their working conditions, including the right to use restaurants' bathroom (which have been closed to workers during the pandemic), insurance to protect workers from robberies, free personal protective equipment, access to a copy of their receipts to verify tip amounts, and limits to distance and weight on deliveries," adds Motherboard.
Why are these people being targeted like this? (Score:2)
Re:Why are these people being targeted like this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of the reason is that they're easy targets. Thieves, especially petty thieves, don't become thieves because they're smart or hard-working, they become thieves because they're lazy and stupid. (A few out of financial desperation, but a definite minority.) E-bikes don't generally have keys, if they're not locked up you just get on and pedal away, and typical bicycle locks are cumbersome for someone who is going to get off to enter a dozen or more restaurants and make two dozen deliveries. All of the major delivery companies have been caught shorting tips for the delivery staff, too. A lot of them are illegals, they can't really complain without risking deportation.
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It's hard to get your foodstuffs to you if they're on the ground because the delivery person got mugged and shit got knocked everywhere.
Muggers you know, always so polite and patient.
Re: Why are these people being targeted like this? (Score:4, Insightful)
I know I am going to be modded down, but unpopular facts are still facts.
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NYPD has a $6b budget (Score:5, Insightful)
What percentage of NYPD's roughly $6 billion budget is going to fighting bike theft, I wonder? I suspect not much.
I think one of the points of reducing the budgets of police departments is so they can stop spending money buying tanks and weapons and deploying resources and effort as if they're about to fight a local insurgency, and having them focus their resources, attention and policies on local crimes.
Police aren't at all interested in bike crimes and have (at least anywhere I've lived) never shown the slightest fucking inclination to want to do anything about this state of affairs. If the NYPD can't or won't address it with a $6b budget I don't see how increasing it would help.
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The Police have the same problem as Public Schools, the expectation of what they can do is unrealistically beyond what that structure can do
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It's not uncommon that in a discussion with a libertarian you come across at least one position of amazing inconsistency, but it is rare that it happens within the first sentence, and even more rare that their position is that, Actually, Police States are Good
Re: Why are these people being targeted like this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes?
You have a massive, heavily militarized police force and throw more people in prison than any other country, China included! How on earth do you think that is a good position to be in?
Buying yet more swat vans and heavy weapons is not going to fix ebike theft, wage theft or even assault.
Getting rid of the pointless divisions and giving money to social services would allow the existing front line beat cops to actually do their job of policing farther than make up for the rest of the underfunded government services, something that they are untrained, ill equipped and priced for.
Your opinions are also not facts, you would do well not to confuse the two.
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We don't have a "a police force". We have thousands of them, each operating under different rules and in different conditions. The closest we have to a "national" police force is the FBI, who primarily deal with Federal crimes. And robbery, muggings, even murders are usually NOT Federal crimes (unless the victim is a protec
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We don't have a "a police force". We have thousands of them, each operating under different rules and in different conditions.
Like most other countries in the world. The UK has a bunch of completely separate police forces which are administratively disconnected, but we refer to them collectively as "the police force" unless we're engaging in pointless pedantry.
As to China, seems to me that China has more people in their Uighur concentration camps than the USA has had in prison for its entire existence....
Yo
Re: Why are these people being targeted like this? (Score:4, Interesting)
In NYC, these same delivery drivers also voted for a political party that aims to defund the police, treat criminals as victims, treat victims as privileged, and release offenders from prison en masse. Maybe they should consider the effects of the policies they support.
Indeed maybe they should. After all we can point to most other countries as an example of when the police aren't massively militarised and the funds are instead spent on rehabilitation, social security and not on locking people up for shits and giggles that the violent crime and recidivism are massively reduced.
You're right, facts are facts, and the facts are the people who voted for this political party seem to actually understand their policy rather than just think whatever Fox News told you to think.
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Since when do the police prevent crimes from happening? Usually they show up to clean up the mess and file paperwork.
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Of course, the budget cuts have not happened yet, and the last time the US police got involved in preventing bike thefts was never.
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My hypothesis: BLM is trying to shake down the ultra-woke tech companies for protection money. "Nice little delivery business you have there..."
I know most of those are English words, but somehow you putting them together caused them to lose all their meaning.
How strange. It's like entropy, but for intelligence. I feel dumber for having read it.
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In a sense, it is the "tragedy of the commons" all over again, namely some (not very many) ruining the whole for purely short-sighted egotistical reasons. What makes this even more stupid is that in the current pandemic, every delivery person is critical for keeping things going.
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Why are these people being targeted like this?
Most crimes are crimes of opportunity. So basically, their profession provides a lot of opportunities for crimes to be committed against them.
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app companies need to enforce this (Score:3)
It should be a condition of being on the apps that the restaurants provide bathroom access for delivery providers.
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New business plan:
Port-a-johns distributed around the city, cleaned nightly, $1/use, secured with key card, for delivery and service personnel. Volume discount for large customers like Uber, Fed Ex, and Amazon, or maybe direct contract with the companies.
Re:app companies need to enforce this (Score:4, Interesting)
Port-a-johns in any US city would require wheelchair (ADA) access. That's US law. Instead of being the size of a port-a-john, it has to be the size of a small cottage. And because it's actually a small cottage, homeless people love them. The idea has died in every US city that has tried it.
European cities has had them for at least 25 years, many are fully self-cleaning,
Sanisette: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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When I lived in Switzerland, there was a company called McClean (yes really) that ran attended pay toilets in the larger train stations. Those had human cleaners
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Do you want to know why you don't see them? The units weren't handicap accessible. Activists pointed to the ADA which gave the handicapped a right to use any public restroom which is why all public restrooms have a handicap accessib
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From the restaurants' position, these delivery drivers are really no different then take out customers. Take out customers don't get bathroom access anymore either. Nor do the homeless that also buy food from these places.
This just adds to the need for public bathrooms and showers.
It would also be nice if there were better ways of securing bicycles. Most places of employment don't exactly have a storage space for bicycles, especially if more then one or two people started to actually use it. This is worse f
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I"ve never seen that before...
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You forget the shady approaches that these apps use when it comes to restaurants - in plenty of cases, the restaurant doesn't even know its on the app, the listing isn't theirs, the pricing isn't theres and often theres discrepancies between the menu they offer and the menu the app offers.
Even if the restaurant is on the app voluntarily, the app typically takes a huge cut - why should the restaurant have to provide employee benefits to the apps employees? They take enough of a cut, let them provide the fac
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Another condition, the apps have built in live streaming. Mount a gopro et al to your helmet and live stream into the app. Make it known riders live stream and you will be recorded and the amount of thefts will drop. The e-bike, you exactly who they are selling them to, other gig workers, probably ones who have had their bike stolen.
So going to the USA, DO NOT GET ON A EBIKE, under no circumstance mount or ride an e-bike, it can get you killed. Renting one, bad idea because you will likely end up having to
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Only in shithole urban cities like NYC and the like it seems.
Thankfully, those aren't the predominant city model in the US.
There's reason people are leaving those places like rats abandoning ships.
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A lot of the delivery folk are immigrants, many of them illegal. Even legal immigrants have a difficult time registering to carry a handgun, and the illegals will be immediately charged with a felony and deported. It's a nice idea, but not very practical in practice.
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Oh, and before you go, well that's crazy!
The issue is that we're breaking the core framework that our rule of law is built around by not amending the law at the proper level. It's exactly like claiming company policy can override the law.
I actually think that we should probably have some more nuanced laws. Except the 2nd Amendment pretty clearly states we can't. Until that changes, we shouldn't be working around our own legal system. That's bonkers and way more dangerous and capricious.
"In matters of princi
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Well, that's a whole other rabbit hole to go down. I'm just speaking of what is, not what should be.
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You don't need a permit to own a gun in NYC, only to carry it concealed or in your vehicle.
To buy a gun in NY, you need to be a legal resident of New York with a valid ID.
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Wouldn't you need a Green Card or Citizenship to work as a delivery guy to begin with? I doubt DeliverStomThingFoo would sponsor your H1B Visa.
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Re: Where are your police now? (Score:3)
That's not how it is. A friend of mine went through the exercise of getting a gun in Manhattan. A license is required to purchase a gun in New York State and that license is issued by local police. He had to present himself to the police, attest to understanding state and municipal laws, and the license he got did not permit him to keep a gun in his vehicle. It allowed him to keep it at his home and (at the time) to transport it (unloaded and locked) directly to and from a firing range inside NYC.
The latter
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State law may be more restrictive but not less restrictive than federal law. Local law may be more restrictive but not less restrictive than state law. This allows municipalities to have more strict gun laws than the states who can have more strict laws than the federal government.
But, all of that is irrelevant when one considers that, per the constitution, the federa
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Re: Where are your police now? (Score:2)
Plus good luck getting a permit in NYC or San Francisco. California doesn't issue carry permits without "good cause" which allows municipalities to just blanket deny in practice and NYC makes Massachusetts look like a gun nut utopia.
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Perhaps they shouldn't have broken the law by coming here illegally?
Perhaps they should go home and try the legal way if they want to be in the US.
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How did your ancestors arrive in the US? Mine walked off a boat, replied when the guy from the State Department called their name off the purser's list, and that was the entirety of their immigration process. (Except for great-great-grandpa Bolle, who walked across the frozen Lake Superior from Ontario.)
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Well, even in your example, they were "signing the guestbook" on the way in.
They followed the laws of that day.
I expect folks to follow the laws of today today.
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A former coworker of mine was funny like that. He literally viewed his NFA guns as investments, and put more money there than in his 401(k). He knew exactly how many full auto guns he had, but couldn't remember how many other guns he owned.
Not that he was anybody's idea of rich. He was just a gun nut. (Probably still is, assuming he didn't die at an early age, and didn't do anything to lose his 2A rights.)
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The idea of "losing a right" is abhorrent. What a perversion of the concept. We have a word for it. It's called, "privilege". Words have meanings for a reason, and I understand that you're getting at the reality on the ground, but the fact that we have this doublespeak is just awful.
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Criminal convictions have always involved the potential of losing rights. Sentenced to jail or prison? You lose your freedom (right to liberty). Capitol crime? You could lose your right to life. Felony? Traditionally, you lose your right to vote. Monetary fines are arguable: maybe they're loss of property rights, but in civil court they're equitable damages.
There's a great deal to argue about where we are to quick to impose those punishments, and when we cheat due process, but the entire history of c
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The sentence is the punishment that is assigned by a court. It might include a term of imprisonment, or it might not. It might come with loss of rights to vote, or possess firearms, or live within 1000 feet of a school or park. It might come with a requirement to notify public officials when you move. Getting out of prison might or might not conclude the punishment.
Double jeopardy means being tried twice for the same crime. It has nothing to do with how long one's punishment lasts.
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You are posting as AC because you are being intentionally dense agreed.
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Rights lost due to a felony conviction can be rehabilitated. And sometimes misdemeanors come with the same kind of rights losses. You are an ignoramus. QED.
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Time to think about effects, not words.
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Just askin'
These are the people who need to be armed the most: the people at the bottom of the heap. Not the rich fucks who can afford to buy a machine gun as an investment at current rates (an extremely common practice in that market).
Nothing could possibly go wrong when some idiot tries to shoot another idiot running away with his bike in a densely populated area.
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When do the police prevent crime from happening?
Great way to gain sympathy (Score:5, Informative)
Delivery workers honked horns, waved Mexican and Guatemalan flags, and raised banners in Spanish
Nothing says let's have better working conditions than using some other country's flag and language rather than the country you are working in.
For the record, nearly all my family are immigrants. All speak English and some of their former language. They are all U.S. citizens. While they do (or used to) socialize with people who spoke their native language, they never demanded businesses use their native language.
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The United States doesn't have an official language. Most countries do, but not the US. English is merely the most popular, but Spanish is just as valid.
Stop using "Latinx" (Score:3, Informative)
This term is used almost exclusively by non-Spanish speakers and doesn't represent Latin Americans.
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/
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So... do you live under the bridge or is it just your place of work?
Re: Stop using "Latinx" (Score:3)
Whoa there. I'm with you on everything, but please stop bashing Marx like this. He didn't deserve it. Guy just wanted to imagine a better future, didn't work out, end of story.
He didn't come up with woke labelling of people.
Re:Stop using "Latinx" (Score:5, Informative)
Stop using "Latinx"
This term is used almost exclusively by non-Spanish speakers and doesn't represent Latin Americans.
They aren't exaggerating: About One-in-Four U.S. Hispanics Have Heard of Latinx, but Just 3% Use It [pewresearch.org]
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They aren't exaggerating: About One-in-Four U.S. Hispanics Have Heard of Latinx, but Just 3% Use It [pewresearch.org]
Quite possibly because they actually understand their own language and that "Latinos" is the correct gender term for a group of people of mixed genders. Only non Spanish people idiots think Latinx is some kind of gender equality success rather than a foreigner having no understanding of the concept that gendered nouns have little to do with people's actual gender.
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Only non Spanish people idiots think Latinx is some kind of gender equality success
Well you just permanently offended a bunch of idiots. I hope you're happy.
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Well you just permanently offended a bunch of idiots. I hope you're happy.
While I'm still trying to figure out what a people idiot is (don't drink and Slashdot Garbz :) ) if I offended an idiot then I sincerely do, ... indeed feel joy.
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The term "Latinx" is a great example of wokeness run amok.
It is designed to be inclusive yet ignores the view of the people being "included" who tend to think the term is idiotic.
Some languages, such as Chinese, don't use gendered grammar or nouns. Others, such as English, have a few gendered nouns and pronouns so it is possible to try to reduce their use. But Romance languages such as Spanish have gender so deeply ingrained in every aspect of the language that there is no possible way to remove them with
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Was informed early when learning Spanish about gendered nouns. Two women is 'ellas', but twenty five women and one man is 'ellos'. I still have trouble with the irregular nouns, even after 30+ years. El agua, la mano, etc.
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In this case, "Latinx" is a demonstration that this isn't really a "grassroots" organization but is run by the same activist networks that run so many other organizations. 100% Astroturf. Actual Spanish speakers don't use "Latinx".
It's a lie. (Score:4, Insightful)
The "Gig Economy" is one big, fat lie.
Pay is bad. Benefits are nonexistent. You might get mugged. You have to buy your own equipment. And on and on.
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Latinx? (Score:1, Troll)
immigrant Latinx (Score:2, Offtopic)
A.K.A. How you can tell a young white person wrote the article.
First principles. (Score:2)
Social breakdown manifests in these kind of ways. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of guessing why all that is, but when it comes down to it, none of it fixes the problem. We'll either not have all these nice things, or we'll invent some technological solution that doesn't so much "solve" as skirt around by taking the fallible human out of the equation. e.g. drones, while introducing new problems. e.g. congestion, etc.
I understand completely (Score:2)
"wage theft, no access to bathrooms, arbitrary deactivations, rampant e-bike theft, and violent assault and murder while they're working."
Getting murdered on the job tends to make people cranky, I get it.
Best solution (Score:2)
The best solution to this problem is to defund the NYC police. ...as some mayoral candidates are running on.