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Department of Homeland Security Pushes REAL ID Deadline To 2023 (go.com) 160

Posted by BeauHD from the yet-another-delay dept.
The federal government is delaying the deadline for the REAL ID enforcement for a second time. The regulation was put in place in 2005 as a way to ensure travelers' identities following the 9/11 attacks, according to the DHS. Only recently did all 50 states come into compliance. ABC News reports: Every domestic air traveler 18 and older will need a REAL ID-compliant driver's license or identification card, state-issued enhanced driver's license or another TSA-acceptable form of identification beginning on May 3, 2023, the Department of Homeland Security announced Tuesday. The original deadline of Oct. 1, 2020, was postponed for one year due to the pandemic. The second delay is also "due to circumstances resulting from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic," according to the DHS press release. Currently, only 43% of driver's licenses issued in the U.S. are REAL ID-compliant, according to DHS data.
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  • I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @10:43PM (#61322476) Journal

    IDs for travel, and liquor & firearm purchase, and roadside Law Enforcement stops, and state licensing, and voting seem, well, reasonable... let the karma fall where it may.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Iamthecheese ( 1264298 )
      I'm no sycophant, of the government, but I'm happy to provide my papers and be tracked everywhere I go and for everything I do. Who needs the fourth and tenth amendments anyway?

    • Re:I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:45PM (#61322568)

      These stories are always a fascinating glimpse into the American psyche.

    • Re:I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Frank Burly ( 4247955 ) on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @11:45PM (#61322570)

      The problem isn't requiring an ID, it is requiring an ID that people can't afford or acquire (maybe they were born in a poor, rural area). Alabama required an ID to keep the "aborigines" from voting and closed down a bunch of DMV offices that would have made it easier to get an ID. https://www.vox.com/policy-and... [vox.com]

      Colorado requires an ID, but it can be a utility bill--which would make it much easier to track down fraudulently cast votes, which are perhaps as high as 0.0027 percent of all ballots cast--assuming every allegation is correct, https://denver.cbslocal.com/20... [cbslocal.com].

      • That is how you can find them and why it is so important to have valid ID.

        Nonsense.

        In the USA it makes some bad sense due to the incredibly awful No Fly List. Here in Australia it makes no sense whatever.

        It's just that security has to do something, and checking ID sounds like something security should do.

        • P.S. I remember many years ago catching a flight from Boston to New York. You just walked up to the gate, not ticket. Wrote your name on a scrap of paper in case it all went horribly wrong, put your luggage down a chute and got on the waiting plane. When it filled, it took off, and you paid for your flight on the plane.

        • Exactly. So much safer to check IDs of polite law abiding citizens, & misuse your powers for a kick, than to take on actual criminals who might shoot back

      • So none of those people drive or cannot afford a free gov ID card, what bullshit

        • Re: I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:4, Insightful)

          by StealthPanda ( 1189933 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @01:45AM (#61322790)

          So none of those people drive or cannot afford a free gov ID card, what bullshit

          In the two states I have lived in, both Driver Licenses and State IDs cost money. Also, you have to go, on a weekday, to a government office and do it. Not everyone has the 13 bucks, and not everyone has a flexible job that affords them the opportunity to take a half a day off without significant hardship. The bullshit here is your lack of perspective for people that are not just like you.

          • Re: I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:5, Insightful)

            by BetterSense ( 1398915 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @11:15AM (#61324130)
            This is why it should not be required to show an ID to purchase a firearm. The right to keep and bear arms is an explicit guarantee in the bill of rights, and requiring ID is clearly an infringement of constitutional rights, not to mention a racist and classist blow to those without the 13 dollars and flexible job needed to obtain the ID. If you think that ID should be required to purchase a gun, but not to vote, you must have some other ulterior motive. And the ulterior motive is crystal clear; the Democratic party wants non-citizens to be able to vote. Did I say that out loud?

            Actually, although I am pro-gun, I still think it's probably a good idea to require ID to purchase a firearm. However, it is in fact true that most gun laws have racist origins, and unfairly penalize poor people (you can have a suppressor as long as you can afford the $200 tax, you can have a concealed carry permit as long as you can afford the application fee...).

            If you think $13 and a day off work to get an ID that you should have anyway is too burdensome (pretty laughable), try taking the same day off to go to the courthouse to get a gun license, but paying $140 for a license fee. Then separately pay, and make separate appointments, for your own background check and fingerprinting. Then you can apply just to get permission to carry a concealed gun, IF your application is approved by the local government (and surely they are completely fair and non-racist in their approvals). But wait, before you can even do any of the above things, make sure you already completed the required approved training course (paid out of your own pocket of course). A quick google suggests that's another day off work and about $125. Then, if your application is approved you can finally legally carry a gun (actual requirements vary by state; example from Connecticut).

            Actually, if we had that many training requirements on who is able to vote, especially the mandatory training requirement, our republic would probably be a lot healthier...

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by eaglesrule ( 4607947 )

            Not everyone has the 13 bucks, and not everyone has a flexible job that affords them the opportunity to take a half a day off without significant hardship. The bullshit here is your lack of perspective for people that are not just like you.

            Red herring for why there shouldn't be even the most basic security check for a process as critical as voting,
            followed by an attempt at personally shaming someone for even considering that such an important process should have basic security,
            that's upmodded to reinforce the left's group-think that rare fringe cases should preclude the necessity of ensuring integrity.

            pro tip: if thieves know the back door is left unlocked, then thieves will go in through the back door.

        • Re: I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:4, Insightful)

          by flink ( 18449 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @08:25AM (#61323460)

          It's not exactly easy to scrape together all the documents they want either. I had trouble doing it on short notice, and I own a home and have a stable job. I also had to go wait in a fairly long line for an hour or so in the middle of a work day. What about someone who doesn't have any utility bills in their name, whose parents maybe didn't keep the best track of of their birth certificate and SS card, and moves around a lot?

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by will_die ( 586523 )
        Right on the Alabama state web site they show you how to get a free state ID card, they will even schedule an event where they will drive over there and do it.
        Try to use something besides a gossip rag like vox.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Right on the Alabama state web site they show you how to get a free state ID card

          Really? Here is the Alabama state web site: https://www.alea.gov/dps/drive... [alea.gov]

          Scroll down to Non-Driver Identification Card:

          $36.25 to purchase non-driver identification card.

          , they will even schedule an event where they will drive over there and do it.

          Maybe that's on the site somewhere, but it's sure hidden deep.

      • So if $20 for a voter ID is a suppression of constitutional rights, rhen you should be DEAD SET AGAINST similar IDs in CA for firearm and ammo purchases, ANOTHER constitutionally protected right. Hypocrite.

      • Re:I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:5, Insightful)

        by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:36AM (#61323122)

        Colorado requires an ID, but it can be a utility bill--which would make it much easier to track down fraudulently cast votes, which are perhaps as high as 0.0027 percent of all ballots cast--assuming every allegation is correct,

        Ah yes, the canard of "fraudulently cast votes" arises once again so that people can use the excuse of preventing those people from voting. You know, reduce polling locations in only certain districts, shorten or remove pre-election voting which just happens to coincide with one particular group getting out the vote, and in general making it more difficult for certain people to exercise their right to vote.

        Funny thing about this joke called "fraudulent votes", every study done shows it's wholly insignificant. Out of millions of votes cast each year the number of "fraudulently cast votes" can be counted on both hands. Even more interesting, of late, when "fraudulently cast votes" are found, they come from Republicans.

        Perhaps instead of trying to prevent certain groups from voting, election officials should be scrutinizing Republican voters since they seem to be ones trying to commit fraud.

        • which are perhaps as high as 0.0027 percent of all ballots cast--assuming every allegation is correct

          I don't think GP is on the "tHe vOTeS WerE FrAudUlEnT" kick that you think he is on.

        • Funny thing about this joke called "fraudulent votes", every study done shows it's wholly insignificant.

          "I think backwards from how they would prosecute if they could, and then try to build out the method to avoid that," [Foval] says about organizing voter fraud by bringing people from state to state to vote illegally. "Let's just say, in theory, if a major investigation came up of major vote fraud that way, how would they prove it? And who would they charge? Are they going to charge each individual with voter fraud? Or are they going to go after the facilitator for conspiracy, which they could prove? It's on

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by tomhath ( 637240 )

        Every state offers a free photo id for those who don't drive and can't afford the nominal fee.

        Linking to Vox (a.k.a. The Daily Koz) destroys what little credibility you had.

      • In Georgia, which has some of the most liberal voting ID policies, an absentee voter can use the last four digits of their social to establish their ID, should they lack a drivers licence or other official ID, and anyone that wants an absentee ballot can ask for it... Isn't that reasonable?

        And that's AFTER the latest reform bill in Georgia.

      • Good news, there's no such thing. If you are in a voter ID State, the State will provide a free non-driver ID. That argument never held water anyway since a non-driver ID is already cheap, and there simply aren't that many people who don't already have an official photo ID.

        Which, interestingly enough, is mentioned in the Vox article you linked. There's also mention of how the State did NOT close DMVs to keep people from getting IDs, they changed their minds about the closures and there was no statist

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by spitzak ( 4019 )

          Voting fraud is immediately obvious due to counts of how many voted. That does not indicate which votes were fraudulent, but this is the source of the belief that the amount is very low. There is also the obvious reason: the risk of performing voting fraud vastly overwhelms the reward of adding one vote to your preferred candidate. This can easily be seen by the fact that voting fraud is much much higher in very small local elections.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Mitreya ( 579078 )

      IDs for travel, and liquor & firearm purchase, and roadside Law Enforcement stops, and state licensing, and voting seem, well, reasonable...

      So how does (very unchangeable) biometrics fit into that?
      I am not sure the opposition is to the ID itself. No one complaints about having to get a passport.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by sjames ( 1099 )

      Wait a minute! Do you have a license to sell hair tonic to bald eagles in Omaha Nebraska?

      This "real ID" thing got pushed in in 2005. It seems that since then, when the "real ID" wasn't in effect, there's been no reason to miss it. We don't have planes falling from the sky and it's been a while since anyone on a plane has tried to blow up his underwear (at least not illegally).

      So it seems we're giving up some liberty and not even gaining any security in exchange.

      So when they demand to see our papers, are we

      • What liberty has been given up? I had to bring extra paper to the DMV when renewing my license, once. So, what's the problem? States are required to give each other access to their databases (but not the Feds), but that was really already the case. There's a requirement to only license citizens and lawful residents, but the only problem there is that anyone should have to say, "hey, don't give official IDs to people who aren't allowed to be here!" In my eyes, that requirement protects the liberties of

    • Re:I'm no sycophant, of the gov't., yet, (Score:4, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:43AM (#61322876) Homepage Journal

      There is a difference between needing to prove your identity to use an airline ticket in your name, or prove your age to buy alcohol, and having a government mandated ID system.

      As for needing ID to vote, then that's just voter suppression. It opens up all kinds of fraud too, e.g. confiscating or destroying people's ID, or making it hard to get/replace that ID.

      • The usa always had government issued id. State required Id. Real id is the federal government setting the standards. Republicans took away state rights in setting the standard as republican states had loose id standards

        And the utility proof? Is laughable at best. 2 minutes with any utility bill and I can modify the address to show what you want. It is trivially easy to edit a pdf and reprint it. I did it for the state of massachusetts in 2012. So I could get a license two weeks after moving. Which I n

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I'm surprised how much government ID there is in the US. In the UK we don't have any and every time it is suggested the response is a pretty clear "no" because it impinges on basic freedoms. Cops can't ask for your identification without good reason, although some of the reasons are a bit dubious like "was driving".

          Anyway, it looks like we are getting voter ID laws now so a few million people are about to lose their right to vote.

          • . Cops can't ask for your identification without good reason, although some of the reasons are a bit dubious like "was driving".

            I don't know that I would call asking to see your driving license because "was driving" is dubious. That's a condition of getting the license - you agree to show it when requested.

          • >"I'm surprised how much government ID there is in the US. In the UK we don't have any and every time it is suggested the response is a pretty clear "no" because it impinges on basic freedoms."

            Says the person being watched by 1,000,000 UK government cameras every day.

            • Your bar for greatness seems to be Finding the worst aspect of every country and pointing out how you beat them. Fewer cameras than Britain! Less genocide than China! Less polonium tea than Russia!

              In practice the land of the free is actually the land of the incarcerated.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by larwe ( 858929 )

            I'm surprised how much government ID there is in the US. In the UK we don't have any and every time it is suggested the response is a pretty clear "no" because it impinges on basic freedoms. Cops can't ask for your identification without good reason, although some of the reasons are a bit dubious like "was driving".

            Yeah, it always interested me to hear them arguing about national ID cards in Yes, Minister/Yes, Prime Minister when a) Britain had them in WW2 anyway, b) all the rest of Europe requires them, more or less.

            Anyway, there is no Federal, or rather I should say national ID for internal routine usage; the "government ID" you reference is really something like 100 different ID documents issued by state and tribal authorities, and not standardized. For example, in state A you may be able to get an official ID ju

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by spitzak ( 4019 )

              I cannot understand why anyone would choose a non Real ID compliant document

              Because to get the non-compliant document required making a request on the web, while the Real ID document required collecting some forms and standing in line for many many hours. (this was for a replacement drivers license btw).

          • Is it really "los[ing] their right to vote", or just requiring them to do something else first? Something simple, like visit a government office and say, "I'm me! Take my photo." Besides, don't you have NHS IDs? I'd think there'd have to be one for people on the dole, or they could claim to be a dozen different people and get rich off your taxes.

        • I laughed when I got my real ID. I had to collect all this documentation and schedule with the DMV. I get down there, I go through the process and when I'm done the lady straight asks me if I want to update my license to a new address from the one I just spent 3 days finding documentation for the real ID. She was happy to change it with no proof.

          Real ID is a joke and a waste of tax funds.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by spitzak ( 4019 )

            The real id is not trying to prove your address. There is nothing wrong with changing it.

      • Voter ID laws have never been proven to actually suppress voter turnout, people just decide it will and claim it as fact.

        In Georgia, which has some of the most liberal voting ID policies, an absentee voter can use the last four digits of their social to establish their ID, should they lack a drivers licence or other official ID, and anyone that wants an absentee ballot can ask for it... Isn't that reasonable?

        And that's AFTER the latest reform bill in Georgia, you know, the one that half of America decries a

      • As for needing ID to vote, then that's just voter suppression.

        Exactly. People who have no legal right to vote in a state or municipal election, or are attempting to vote multiple times, need to be suppressed.

      • Why is needing an ID to vote in any way suppressive? Note that States that require it provide FREE non driver IDs, though I find it almost impossible to believe there are all that many people who don't have IDs AND want to vote. You need an ID to function at even a basic level in modern society, so how many people don't engage with society unless they're voting? Under ten would be my guess. That's not ten thousand, or even ten hundred, just plain old ten.

        And I'm being generous as nobody has ever intr

    • This was a knee jerk reaction from 9/11. All the asshole terrorists had valid IDs back then anyhow. So this solves absolutely nothing. For international travel you still need a passport. The only thing this is good for is domestic travel and getting into federal buildings.

    • IDs for travel, and liquor & firearm purchase, and roadside Law Enforcement stops, and state licensing, and voting seem, well, reasonable... let the karma fall where it may.

      Maybe none of that shit is reasonable except IDs for firearm purchases, and we should stop accepting this level of abuse from those who are tasked with our protection.

      Or maybe some of it is reasonable, and some of it isn't, because not all of it is created equal.

      Maybe you could show us a study that shows that not requiring voter ID leads to a meaningful quantity of fraud (i.e. enough to shift results.)

    • The US passport (or passport card) works fine for Real ID, and avoids having all that unecessary data on the driver license where a lot of other people who don't need it (like car rental agencies) can scan it.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Mitreya ( 579078 )

      IDs for travel, and liquor & firearm purchase... seem, well, reasonable...

      Example of less benign application: ICE Used Facial Recognition to Mine State Driver's License Databases [nytimes.com]

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Sloppy ( 14984 )

      Sorry, missed the beginning because I was on the phone with one of my lobbyists. On an unrelated note, we need the ID to also include your COVID-19 vaccination status, your preferred personal pronoun, list of tax-exempt organizations that you've donated to, Facebook cookie, FLoC, and your phone's bootloader signature. And for fuck's sake, make sure the ID's bluetooth isn't disablable this time.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by spitzak ( 4019 )

      It's pretty telling for voter id if these new ID's are not required. If "difficult to get for a large set of people" is a reason to not require the ID, then there is extremely obvious reason why an ID is required that is difficult for a specific subset of people.
      A new ID that *everybody* has to stand in line to get would be fair imho. Let's see one of these states pass that.

  • Dang (Score:2)

    by sk999 ( 846068 )

    Yet another delay. When the requirement for REAL ID was first announced, I went out and picked up three of them. By the time I really need one, they will all have expired. Thanks a lot, DHS.

    • Real ID was first set to be required in December 2008 [ncsl.org] and has been delayed many times over the years. The law passed in 2005.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by sjames ( 1099 )

        And yet, civilization hasn't ended in a flurry of terrorist attacks.

    • My state (Washington) has an enhanced drivers license that can serve this purpose... but it costs significantly more than a standard license. PLUS it still doesn't meet all the Real ID requirements.

      In the end I decided to just get my passport renewed, since I figured I'd want the passport at some point anyway - and I got the standard drivers license. The passport is good for a decade.

      • . PLUS it still doesn't meet all the Real ID requirements.

        https://www.dol.wa.gov/about/docs/real-id-faq.pdf [wa.gov]

        Yes. An Enhanced ID (EID) or an Enhanced Driver License (EDL) is Washington state’s REAL ID compliant document and is available through the Department of Licensing

        Not sure where you're getting that it isn't REAL ID compliant...New York has an Enhanced Drivers License too and despite not having the little REAL ID star logo on it, is still fully Real ID compliant...

        • Hmm... after I'd gotten mine (not long after they started offering them), I'd done some digging and found that the enhanced license didn't meet certain requirements of the Real ID Act. It's possible they've remedied those issues.

          There have also been security concerns related to how the rfid implementation for the enhanced license was handled, but that's irrespective of Real ID requirements. I have no idea if they ever fixed that.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @01:37AM (#61322784)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      To be fair the logic is that if people require ID to board an aircraft then bad guys who are known to the authorities can be prevented from doing so.

      That's why the "no fly" list was brought in, and why so many people were put on it for no good reason. The authorities are really bad at spotting people before they blow stuff up, so they threw a load of people on "just in case".

      Also suicide isn't necessary, suitcase bombs are possible. Before all the checks came in suitcase bombs were popular. Check in the lug

    • > obedience ritual

      Which is the real point. Same as the Drug War, except that also funds CIA black ops

      The original reason for first, last, middle names and lists of people with birth and marriage records was for conscription for war. Similar to ear-tagging cattle in case they get mixed up while grazing.

  • Liar Liar (Score:3)

    by Meneth ( 872868 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @02:11AM (#61322828)

    There is no law [papersplease.org], including REAL-ID, that would require you to have an ID to be a passenger on a US domestic Common Carrier flight.

    TSA even posted a video [twitter.com] showing how to get through a checkpoint without ID.

    • Is there any other country in the world that accepts those idiotic excuses for having no ID and lets people WHO CAN'T ACTUALLY PROVE THAT THEY ARE WHO THEY CLAIM TO BE get into flights? They're basically saying that yeah, an ID is the only thing that provides a high degree of security, but we'll accept all kinds of stupid excuses because we want to be fair to "unfortunate" people. What a stupid fucking country.

    • That video is the exact opposite of what you claim. It links to this: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/sec... [tsa.gov]

      Adult passengers 18 and over must show valid identification at the airport checkpoint in order to travel.

      Driver's licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
      Beginning Oct. 1, 2021, if you plan to use your state-issued ID or license to fly within the U.S., make sure it is REAL ID compliant. If you are not sure if your ID complies with REAL ID, check wi

      • TSA even posted a video [twitter.com] showing how to get through a checkpoint without ID.

        That video is the exact opposite of what you claim.

        Did you even watch the video? Meneth didn't misrepresent anything.

        "If you don't have any acceptable forms of alternative ID, you will go through the ID verification process." You then fill out a form and answer some questions.

        As for the link you copied and pasted from, you selectively excluded the end of the page:

        In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete an identity verification process which includes collecting information such as your name, current address, and other personal information to confirm your identity.

  • The real story (Score:3)

    by shellster_dude ( 1261444 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @08:27AM (#61323468)
    The truth is that when the Real ID ACT was passed it did not come with Federal funding to implement. The Federal government does not have the authority to dictate what States do when they do not provide funding to implement it. Due to this and general reticence on the part of some states to implement, they really can't set a deadline they can enforce. So each time we get close the bluster about how "this time it is for real", then they fold and move it back. Most states have already implemented REAL ID, and the new date is probably more an estimate of when they think they won't get any pushback.
  • except to vote? odd
  • My driver's license was due for renewal, so I figured I would get a Real ID at the same time. I showed up with my Passport and my not-yet-expired driver's license, and was told that it's not enough. I also needed either my original birth certificate or social security card, plus a utility bill listing my address. Wait, says I, what does a real ID do that a passport can't? Nothing, they respond. So why is it harder to get a real ID than a passport? No answer. So I have my passport, and I have a regula

  • Their problem is that they need to find a way for illegal aliens to get real-id.

  • Gee, thanks (Score:5, Informative)

    by kaatochacha ( 651922 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @10:33AM (#61323948)

    I just stood in a THREE HOUR line at the California DMV, because California sucks SO hard, getting one of those real IDs. One week ago.
    Process:
    1) go online, Try to fill out form. Form crashes. Form will not let you save as you go through roughly twenty pages of questions. If it crashes at any point, start over. Try three times, eventually get a confirmation number.
    2) Get redirected to "appointment" page, which only has appointment buttons for a driving test, a commercial driving test, or a "helper" page that simply pushes you back to the form again and never lets you access an appointment.
    3) read online that the wait time , according to them, is 16 minutes. Go for a walk in.
    4) Drive to DMV, no parking, park on the street and get in line. 120 minutes later, get to front of line where they tell you it isn't actually the front of the line, just the entrance to the place. They pull out sealable folders, place your documents in them, and scrawl your appointment "number" on a piece of paper. That's their system, a guy with a Kangol hat running inside to get numbers to scrawl on pieces of paper.
    5) Go inside to sit and wait in another line for them to call your number.
    6) Get called, have a guy process my boatload of paper. He kept saying "uh, I need THIS piece of information...", I believe he was hoping I wouldn't have it and would have to leave. However, since I pretty much brought everything I own with me, I had it all. "Need a gas bill? Mortgage statement, Pay stub, HOA receipt? Sure! Passport, Sure! Actual, physical SS Card? Yes, of course, you look surprised" He PHOTOCOPIES IDs and staples the copies together, a real high tech touch.
    7)Finish with him, get told to go stand in ANOTHER line for a photo.
    8) Finish up after three hours, and while leaving hear someone screaming at the staff for never actually mailing them their Drivers license.

    The California DMV is a pretty good analogy to the state overall.

  • We already require the id to fly. Requiring that it be a VETTED PROVEN ID, makes good sense.

  • I have been hearing this same tired story for years. People keep claiming if you want to travel you won't be able to use your drivers license and you will have to pay for a passport or special ID.

    My response has always been outright dismissal. There is no way the travel industry or government owned by industry would tolerate the consequences of this.

    The only way Real ID will ever be enforced is after a sufficient number of people capitulate to the empty threats. Without public buy-in it will never be imp

  • Freedom to Travel (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gawbl ( 941021 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @12:05PM (#61324442)

    The problem I have with RealID is that it violates our constitutional right to travel freely within our country.

    Freedom of Movement [wikipedia.org]

    The right of Americans to travel anywhere within the USA is pretty absolute. You can drive, fly, ride a bus or a train, and go anywhere in the contiguous states, and no government (federal, state**, county, city, whatever) is empowered to stop you and demand "Papers, please."

    Except... the TSA (the "security theater" folks) can apparently prevent you from passing their "security checkpoints" to reach your flight.

    What's Wrong with Showing ID [papersplease.org]

    As I understand it, RealID has two problems: 1) it violates our right to travel freely, and 2) it's creating a national ID.

    I'm not an expert in these matters, but I gather there have been many proposals to create an American National ID card, and they've all been defeated in Congress. RealID is an attempt to create an American National ID card by A) imposing a standard ID card format on the states, and B) requiring the states to share their ID databases. The shared database exists; it's operated by a private contractor, freeing it from cumbersome regulations that enjoin the federal government.

    RealID Database [papersplease.org]

    ** If you drive into California, the state will stop you near the border and ask if you're bringing any produce into the state. However, California cannot, and does not, ask you for ID during these stops.

  • In my state there is not one piece of information on REAL ID that isnâ(TM)t already on the old ID. My wife converted her ID to REAL, gathered all her paperwork, and when she went to the DMV they did not ask for one bit of it. Just handed her an ID and took her money.

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Keep up the good work! But please don't ask me to help.

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