NOAA Unveils a Warmer Climate 'Normal' For the US 45
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Axios: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration revealed new standards on Tuesday for what an average or "normal" U.S. climate looks like, showing average temperatures in the U.S. rising significantly. Updating these standards is important for helping shape government policies and what your local weather forecaster says the "average" high temperature is on a given date.
NOAA releases climate averages for the preceding 30-year period every 10 years. The "climate normals" released Tuesday cover 1991-2020 and indicate that the U.S. climate has warmed, and also become wetter over time. NOAA noted that parts of the U.S. may also get drier, due to climate change. "The influence of long-term global warming is obvious," per a press release. The new normals may shift how the climate is described for particular parts of the U.S. With the changes, Fairbanks, Alaska is no longer considered a sub-Arctic climate, but is now termed a "warm summer continental" climate.
NOAA releases climate averages for the preceding 30-year period every 10 years. The "climate normals" released Tuesday cover 1991-2020 and indicate that the U.S. climate has warmed, and also become wetter over time. NOAA noted that parts of the U.S. may also get drier, due to climate change. "The influence of long-term global warming is obvious," per a press release. The new normals may shift how the climate is described for particular parts of the U.S. With the changes, Fairbanks, Alaska is no longer considered a sub-Arctic climate, but is now termed a "warm summer continental" climate.
Dryer (Score:1, Funny)
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Does dryer mean we're gonna get pissed on a little less, just as often, or pissed on just as much, less often?
Re: Dryer (Score:2)
Which one do you find most annoying?
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Life in general doesn't seem to be trending toward less stupid and annoying.
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I love rain. Moving out to the rain belt areas of Washington or Oregon is my dream.
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I love rain. Moving out to the rain belt areas of Washington or Oregon is my dream.
PA might be a good choice as well, although the summers are humid. Our mountains aren't as tall, but it's still beautiful and green. I describe it as the mountains out west are more a distant sort of thing, while here, esp in the ridge and valley region, they are up close and personal.
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This should be interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
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We have a general lack of education around dealing with data.
We just want a simple number like a Thermometer where if it is above a value than it is warm, where it is below a value it is cold.
We spend millions of dollar, for computers to crunch millions of rows of data to give a dashboard needle or a red and green light. Then when the company goes out of business they are surprised because all their indicators were good.
We sometime need to dig into the data and de-average it, find trends and changes over t
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We have a general lack of education around dealing with data. We just want a simple number like a Thermometer where if it is above a value than it is warm, where it is below a value it is cold. We spend millions of dollar, for computers to crunch millions of rows of data to give a dashboard needle or a red and green light. Then when the company goes out of business they are surprised because all their indicators were good.
We sometime need to dig into the data and de-average it, find trends and changes over time that a percentage of a good or bad light will not find.
No kidding we have a bad issue dealing with data. I'm pretty convinced that a lot of people don't want data nor the info given.
In matters of AGW, my recent experience leads me to believe that rather than outright denial, many people simply want the weather to be warmer. Living in PA, we just went through the worst winter in several years. But it's a hella small "worst". We had snow on the ground for maybe 2 weeks.I had March plants popping up in January. But in my network of people, you would have thoug
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Ca, Tx, Nm, Az, Fla. NONE of these people want more hot, humid days. much less MORE hot or MORE humid. One way ticket to cheap land, because no one can live there
Well, they shouldn't. A friend lives in Phoenix, and he was stuck in the house a lot of last year - half of the year was over 100 degrees. https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
People might say "it's a dry heat" but when the temperature is higher than your bodies temp, doesn't take much of that dry heat to kill ya. And they are off again - just had their first 100 degree day of 2021 on May 5th.
So unless they are going to adopt the Sahara Desert Nomad model, or maybe start wearing stillsuits ala Arrakis in
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I loved Dune also, but stillsuit != physics 101
True. But I was jes sayin'
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Just declare global warming "normal". Problem solved.
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Dynamic Range (Score:2)
Increase that dynamic range if you want to be taken more seriously.
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A bit more work, but quite revealing. These present quite a different picture.
What do they reveal?
Re:Really? (Score:4, Informative)
Tony Heller is nutjob conspiracy "theorist". That is, he makes shit up about the climate and spews it out on the intertubes because it gets him attention.
Come back when you can quote scientists with climate related degrees.
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You don't seem to understand what "normal" is in this context. It's not a competition, there is nothing to win or lose.
The definition of normal is only used to determine when weather is outside of expected norms, i.e. it is an exceptional event. The definition needs to adjust to climate change or every year will be exceptional.
Why do we need to classify certain weather as exceptional? Lots of reasons. Planning, like figuring out how much to spend mitigating once in a century events. Understanding why unusua
Re: How convenient! (Score:5, Funny)
You don't seem to understand what "normal" is in this context.
I mean this is BAReFO0t you're talking about. You can just leave it at "you don't seem to understand" and move on :-)
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We don't see much of APK and more. I have a theory that APK got trapped in a time loop and barefoot is actually APK from the past before he discovered hosts files.
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Oh I miss APK. I used to be a horrible chef, but ever since installing a HOSTS file I have never burnt toast again.
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You don't seem to understand what "normal" is in this context. It's not a competition, there is nothing to win or lose.
Ac I noted in a post above, a lot of people simply want it to be warmer, and while they like the warmer temperatures, they don't consider the bad effects it has elsewhere. So if we have a virtually snowless winter here in PA, they consider that a win.
Now granted, as people age, they tend to like warmer weather. To hell with people who's real estate is under water now, and other ill effects. It's a solipsistic dick move that probably most won't admit to, but does explain a lot of the pushback against the
Is it a way to deny global warming? (Score:2)
Re: Is it a way to deny global warming? (Score:5, Interesting)
Definitely not a way of denying global warming. It's about defining expected weather ranges for a given region based upon recent historical data. The temperature increase due to global warming still stands, and will be fervently measure and reported by NOAA as it should.
This is so when your weather person says "today will be abnormally hot" they're defining "abnormal" based upon an up-to-date definition of "normal".
There is an argument to be had for not updating "normal" so that every weather person for decades to come has to say every day will be abnormally warm (or dry, or wet, or hurricane-y). Maybe then it will eventually sink in that the Earth really is warming. But I digress....
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I find it hard to believe that:
- I find it hard to believe that NOAA wants to fake the data. Greedy people go into business or something else that is easy. Scientists usually are brainy nerds who care about facts and numbers more than money.
- I find it hard to believe that business people types would ever not take a gamble to make more money. They aren't going to believe a problem exists or matters until it happens and it affects them directly. There is no way to convince them, short of insurance rates goin
Our Sun is in "Grand Solar Minimum" .... (Score:3, Informative)
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heyy (Score:1)