China's Emissions Now Exceed All the Developed World's Combined (bnnbloomberg.ca) 293
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: China's emissions of six heat-trapping gases, including carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide, rose to 14.09 billion tons of CO2 equivalent in 2019, edging out the total of Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development members by about 30 million tons, according to the New York-based climate research group. The massive scale of China's emissions highlights the importance of President Xi Jinping's drive to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and reach net-zero by 2060. China accounted for 27 percent of global emissions. The U.S., the second biggest emitter, contributed 11 percent while India for the first time surpassed the European Union with about 6.6 percent of the global total. Still, China also has the world's largest population, so its per capita emissions remain far less than those of the U.S. And on a historical basis, OECD members are still the world's biggest warming culprits, having pumped four times more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than China since 1750.
haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:4, Insightful)
China is now the big problem, and in 2 decades India will be most the rest of the problem. All other nations won't matter at all.
Re:haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:5, Insightful)
And somehow, America will still get blamed. By the usual suspects.
Re:haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:5, Insightful)
The usual suspects meaning people who understand that most of the rest of the world effectively outsources its manufacturing to China, buys all their shit from China, and then points the finger at China for daring to have so many factories making stuff? Those usual suspects?
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The point is China has a government, a central place of control for emissions, resources, manufacturing. That's how the real world works. It matters what China decides for carbon emissions more than anything else. Soon India will also be with China on deciding about carbon emissions. the problem is China.
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And somehow, America will still get blamed. By the usual suspects.
Two things:
a) "Per capita"
b) Setting a good example for others to follow.
c) Glass houses.
Re:haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:5, Insightful)
And somehow, America will still get blamed. By the usual suspects.
Two things: a) "Per capita" b) Setting a good example for others to follow. c) Glass houses.
That's three things. Regardless, I raise with a royal flush:
d) Trends.
No matter how you want to ignore it, numbers matter. I cannot explain nor dismiss the amount of ignorance it takes to assume that this isn't or won't become a China/India problem. Two countries hold damn near 40% of the human population. The rest of the planet could become a solar powered green oasis. It wouldn't matter and it won't matter unless we address who are and will likely be the emissions problem from this point forward.
That's not racist. That's not xeonphobic. That's fact. You don't ignore 38% of a problem and assume it will all go away. And right now, the planet is that glass house, so let's drop the lame analogies. This, is a human problem to solve. It just happens to be assigned to each country. because we carved this planet up that way. We are all guilty, and those who are less guilty than others are still going to pay the price unless we solve for all.
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We set the trend. We developed a lifestyle that is very comfortable, but also emits way too much CO2 to be sustainable. So arguably this is a Western problem, in that we need to come up with a better way of living sustainably that sets the expectation for developing nations.
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Re: haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:2)
US residents contribute about 1/3 more to the global economy per-capita-emission-ton, last I checked.
That your "two things" list is 3 items long suggests how seriously your opinion should be taken anyway.
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Wrong, China has a government. That government controls emissions. The predicable "per-capita" you autists bark when triggered goes out the windows. China is the problem.
Stupid to say we need to inconvenience ourselves to be "good example", that has no effect whatsover on China's policies and actions. China is the problem. Soon India will be the problem. India has a government too. You need to dial down your autism knob and realize "symbolism over substance" is a waste of time.
"Glass houses" is even m
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B. Even if I accepted that meant anything in this context, what the hell example do you think is being set? That it's good to take the blame for China's mess? Bull.
C. If you think there is any kind of moral equivalence between the US, (or OECD nations generally) and China, in any way, shape or form, you're smoking crack and talking crap.
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Because America set the bar for the kind of lifestyle people aspire to. If China ever reached the per-capita emissions of the United States we would really be screwed.
Therefore it is very important that we find a way to enjoy a high standard of living without emitting so much CO2. Show that it's possible and preferable, and use our markets to drive technology in that direction.
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And somehow, America will still get blamed. By the usual suspects.
Of course any country which emits over twice as much as the average country per capita (and 5 times as much historically) is going to be seen as a major source of the problem. And any country with 24% of the world's GDP is going to be seen as the biggest driver of change worldwide. When the wealthiest country is also historically the largest greenhouse emitter, it arguably becomes that country's responsibility to do the lion's share of the work in solving the problem.
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China is now the big problem, and in 2 decades India will be most the rest of the problem. All other nations won't matter at all.
Is it? The world doesn't give a shit where it's silly inhabitants drew arbitrary lines to divide people based on some name. If you look to individuals in that area they are far less polluting than we are in the west.
But hey it's far easier to point the blame at the total emissions of 1bn people than to admit that the horribly wasteful practices are done back home. But yay our arbitrary line only has 1/3rd of the number of people inside of it. High five bro!
Re:haha USA now 11 percent and dropping (Score:4, Interesting)
Your argument falls apart because China has a government, a central control over the carbon pollution. Thus, inhabitants' "arbitrary lines" are very relevant.
You spew nonsense that sounds good to yourself but which doesn't stand up to logic and reason. China is the problem, China has a government that rules over the people and resources in those "arbitrary lines".
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China is now the big problem, and in 2 decades India will be most the rest of the problem. All other nations won't matter at all.
China and India make up 36.3% of the world's population. 10 years ago it was 36.8% of the population, so trends aren't showing that percentage is increasing. So while the way in which these countries become developed countries will have a huge impact on global greenhouse emissions, the other 64% of the world certainly matters.
The primary goal is do everything we can to ensure Asia doesn't follow in the west's footsteps. If China produces as much greenhouse gasses as the US per capita, they would increase gl
Well duh (Score:4, Interesting)
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Because it's all disposable now, and unrepairable, and crippled with DRM.
Re:Well duh (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, in large part outsourcing was done because China offered great incentives to many industries that were being penalized by insistence of Green movement in the West at the same time.
Truly, who could've predicted that if you make manufacturing things like solar panels production chain extremely difficult and expensive with various environmental regulations, all while China offers massive benefits if you just your entire production and supply chain to China, manufacturers wouldn't just move and instead stay and make really expensive solar panels in the West.
And before you screech about your ignorance and how there's a couple of companies that do in fact do final assembly in some Western nations, stop and research what goes into making solar panels and where that happens. Including those with "made in USA/EU" stamps on them. Hint: A lot of things that goes into them is no longer mined, refined nor processed in the West.
And same applies to countless products, from all but most expensive steel grades to many electronic components.
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It was cascade failure. To make stuff you need supply chains. Raw materials to components to modules to products. If any part of the domestic chain fails you have to outsource it.
Parts of the chain became uncompetitive in our countries, and it started a cascade of failures where it then didn't make sense to import say components when you could just build the whole module where the components come from.
That's also why reversing it will take a very long time, and be quite difficult to do. Probably not worth d
Halt progress (Score:3, Insightful)
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Yeah well it's the first mover principle. Kings also express some divine right to rule the peasants despite not having actually done anything worthy of their status. The "I got mine, fuck everyone else" principle is very much at play here. Equality is not for everyone.
And that my friend is precisely why we as a species are ... to use the technical term ... fucked.
"Net zero by 2060" (Score:2, Informative)
Last I checked, "net zero by 2060" was about using coal for power generation. Specifically, using domestically sourced Chinese coal.
Reason for it is not sudden explosion of environmentalism in Chinese Communist Party. It's that by current estimates, Chinese domestic coal reserves will run out by approximately 2060.
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No, it's net zero CO2 emissions.
Makes great economic sense, emission reducing technology is in demand already and demand will only continue to increase as more and more countries set net zero goals. It's also becoming essential for China because other countries are including CO2 emitted there as part of the manufacturing process when calculating things like lifetime emissions of products, and if say Europe gets much further ahead it will move manufacturing there.
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Totally. If you're a baizuo as Chinese call your types.
For people who are anchored in reality on the other hand, they just take the production fleeing nations that are increasingly influenced by such types as those types act on it by sabotaging their own industry. Like Chinese have done for last few decades, which is how they ended up with lion's share of West's manufacturing and production capacity.
As for "but other countries will calculate emissions", remind me, who is it that sets all those numbers and g
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And this is what I mean "being utterly disconnected from reality". Even a cursory look at what US and European nations are doing vs what China is doing is going to produce the exact opposite observation of the claim.
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Last I checked, "net zero by 2060" was about using coal for power generation.
Did you get that from Fox News? If you try and look at other news sources you may find that since China instead has the largest number of solar installations in the world approximately 1/3rd of the entire world's supply. The largest number of wind farms. They've recently kicked off projects to make 1.1 TWh of battery storage for the grid so they can expand renewables more which represents a capacity several times the entire rest of the world combined, and this was done because their wind developments were a
Convenient timeboxing for the west (Score:3, Informative)
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Cumulatively the stats are
United States 25%
EU-27 + UK 22%
China 12.7%
Russia 6%
India 3%
China will get your money to feed its people (Score:3, Insightful)
If you don't like that they don't give a shit about emissions, stop doing business with them that results in said emissions, unless you get guarantees about emissions, and send regulators (yeah right). That includes factories, bitcoins etc. Don't point your fingers at them while sitting on your made in china chair, wearing made in china clothes looking at a monitor made in china etc.
Outsourcing work should not result in "outsourced emissions are not by me", otherwise those emission numbers would be very very different.
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Now we can look forward to the times of great plenty similar to the 14th C.
Just don't think about the bubonic plague which followed the subsequent cold period.
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Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Plastic in the oceans come from trash, I do not think the trash cares where it was made. You cannot blame China for hosting manufacturing, you need to blame the consumer and the retailers too.
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Plastic in the ocean is a bit of a crock though. The big garbage patch doesn't really exist, they went out there, tried to collect it and found just 1% of what was predicted.
Sure it's still bad that it's there, but 99% of the 'problem' is missing, some take this to mean "well, it's somewhere else in the ocean" but nowhere we look we can find it, currently scientists have adjusted that to just 15% of their original estimates can probably be found in the ocean. The rest is either being recycled or disposed of
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Really? Do you have per country (or at least per continent) statistics on which consumers use the most plastic and other resources too? Last I checked families in Africa were not buying cars and homes and other consumer goods.
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That Philippines number is scary. I think extreme poverty causes a lot of it
It's also made of small islands. More coastline. More difficult to manage garbage properly/cheaply.
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Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Informative)
There's a poverty aspect and a cultural aspect.
I see trash on beaches in the USA all the time. People aren't leaving it because of poverty, because there are trash cans at beaches in the USA. They are doing it because of culture.
I've been to a total of two other countries, so I'm no world traveller, but they are useful for this discussion. The beaches in Panama were fucking shitholes, unless they were out front of a private resort that paid someone to clean the beach. The beaches in Costa Rica weren't. Most people in both of these countries are poor. No trash cans on beaches in either place.
Some cultures just litter more than others. Which particular members of it are doing it, I can't say; I haven't studied. From their behavior in general, I presume that wealthy people are as likely to litter as anyone else. Something else is going on here.
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I see trash on beaches in the USA all the time. People aren't leaving it because of poverty, because there are trash cans at beaches in the USA.
The plastic in the ocean isn't coming from people spending a day at the beach. It's the result of poor at best, deliberate at worst, waste management in Asian countries.
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4, Informative)
No, it's mostly from discarded fishing gear. Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet.
https://www.theguardian.com/en... [theguardian.com]
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4, Interesting)
And yet the West CONTINUES to ship their plastic trash to these 3rd world countries. WTF do they expect? They overload these countries ability to handle trash, and the trash overflows into the ocean, and then stupid reports talk about how Asia accounts for 81% of global plastic inputs to the ocean. HOW MUCH OF THIS TRASH WAS FROM THE WEST, shipped to these countries?
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Informative)
Almost none of it [mongabay.com]. Their plastic waste problems cannot be laid at our feet just because you wish it were so. (Same deal for China [greenbiz.com] and Indonesia [nature.com], the two countries that release more plastic waste into the oceans than the Philippines.). Besides, they are increasingly refusing to accept plastics from the US and EU.
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https://www.visualcapitalist.c... [visualcapitalist.com]
Before China banned imports of plastic waste, exports from the Western world was even more, twice as much.
The fact that e.g. Malaysia is importing close to a million tons of plastic waste shows how fucked up the whole situation is.
BTW. Plastic waste that they are exporting is basically the worst type. The type that can't be recycled, etc. Basically bags that fucking fly around in the wind, and when there's a typhoon, blows it all over the fucking place and the MOST likely
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The question was what was the source of plastics that end up in the ocean, and that article doesn't even begin to answer that question.
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Informative)
The question was what was the source of plastics that end up in the ocean, and that article doesn't even begin to answer that question.
There is a certain racist aspect in that many people seem to think that the only source of plastic is the USA. That for some reason, other countries where people aren't considered "white" somehow can't produce plastic.
Here's a plastic factory in Nigeria in Africa. The biggest one in Africa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
China is the largest maker of plastic parts https://www.chinaimportal.com/... [chinaimportal.com]
US companies are turning to sourcing plastic from China - https://www.itimanufacturing.c... [itimanufacturing.com]
A short list of Chinese plastic manufacturing facilities https://www.made-in-china.com/... [made-in-china.com]
Now on to the Philippines - https://www.philippineplastic.... [philippineplastic.com]
Vietnam: https://www.cattuongcorp.com/e... [cattuongcorp.com]
And on and on and on.
The point is that there is indeed a problem. But it is difficult to virtuall impossibility to make this a "US is at fault" problem, which is the standard go-to sound bite response.
The point is that there is some kind of weird assumption that all these countries can't produce plastic.
Because despite the narrative of the honorable poverty stricken populous being inundated by American made plastic products to the point of drowning the poverty stricken powerless people - these are countries where they have nice modern factories producing plastic products for internal and external use.
Recycling plastic isn't all that difficult, and if people don't wish to do that, at least proper disposal would be a great thing.
Here's a Philippines river. https://news.sky.com/story/phi... [sky.com]
And herein lies the crux of the problem. While it's always fashionable to blame the USA for any problems, in reality, a ban might help a little, but the core issue is that the citizens of these countries look at the rivers and ocean as a handy way to dispose of trash. While the plastic might take a lot longer to break down, these same people empty raw sewage and industrial poisons into their rivers, and eventually the oceans.
So rather than engage in self flagellation with the standard who's at fault pre determination that accomplishes nothing, perhaps it would be a better tactic to try to educate these people on the harm they are doing, and to start respecting the water system. The downside of that is that then we'll probably be accused of first world privilege.
But the standard narrative will accomplish absolutely nothing.
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https://www.visualcapitalist.c... [visualcapitalist.com]
Before China banned imports of plastic waste, exports from the Western world was even more, twice as much.
It wasn't a good business plan anyhow - importing plastic from the US so they could just throw it in the rivers and oceans.
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4)
Asia accounts for 81% of global plastic inputs to the ocean. More than one-third of ocean plastic inputs come from the Philippines https://ourworldindata.org/oce... [ourworldindata.org]
This is exactly why highly regulated countries going green, isn't going to matter unless we get the unregulated countries to follow suit.
Makes me wonder what will be the larger challenge; Is it easier to take a 3rd world country straight to green resources of energy, than it is to defeat the greed and corruption in first world countries where fossil fuel industries have a stranglehold on capitalism? Sadly, probably so.
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Re: It's all America's fault (Score:5, Informative)
We could eliminate all plastic in the USA and Europe, and it wouldn't make a dent.
Yes it would.
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https://e360.yale.edu/features... [yale.edu]
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4, Interesting)
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4, Insightful)
China doesn't get a Free Pass here, they make disposable products because they can make and sell them for less.
China makes disposable products because other people buy them.
If you want to penalize China for something, do it for their labor practices. If you placed tariffs on their products that made those labor practices unprofitable then they would stop. Just like if people stopped buying plastic shit, other people would stop making it.
Then again, most of the people buying crap can't afford quality. Why are they getting fucked over so bad?
Answer, the usual greed.
Re: It's all America's fault (Score:4, Interesting)
Personal anedote:
The low level of civility among the general population in developing countries is probably way above what those couch-potato experts and virtue signallers imagine, so much so that if you have kept ALL your manufacturing in USA (and even better in Europe) in your current form it'd have been so much better for our world in totality instead of letting China emit the current levels right now.
Many city dwellers and shop keepers in even relatively rich districts of Guangzhou care so little about the environment around that they don't even bother to keep the pathway directly outside of their shop clean. I personally witnessed shopkeepers hurling their own styrofoam lunch package - half eaten with meat even - from the chair where they sat. IN FRONT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS (i.e. This low level of civility is probably so typical that they don't think they'd risk offending their customer with this selfish behaviour).
People don't even care about passer-by stepping those dirty lunch remains into the ground 7 feet in front of them. You can imagine how little the population in general would care about the environment in genreal, and how much (little!) would they ahbor against cheating the environment code if they were made by the government to follow those codes.
Every Economist in China knew they padded their stats. We shouldn't care how much they promised about their "Environmental goals". Whatever stats they promised and put out can't be trusted until their country's civility improves, or only if they're really monitored well be third parties, via satellites or other means, on the pollution part.
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I think it is going to take a long time to repair the damage from 70 years of rule by the CCP.
- Deliberate destruction of all civil society institutions. There is just you, alone against the state.
- Setting person against person, even within the family, with betrayals and forced confessions. Trust no-one became the motto.
- Rampant corruption lies and cover-ups. E.g. we now know covid was covered up for many months before the news leaked out.
The CCP must be amazed at the naivety of the West, falling for thei
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I watch assholes here throw their fast-food garbage remnants out of car windows while driving down the highway all the time.
Maybe it's more common over there but there's no shortage of incivil monkeys right here.
Where on earth do you live? Here in PA, the worst littering problem usually comes from trash trucks losing a bag. Some rednecks like to pee in soda bottles and toss them, And we have an "Adopt a Highway" program that allows groups to come out and pick up any trash. They bag it and the state picks it up. So at least in my neck of the woods the roads are pretty clean.
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unless, as someone in here once claimed, China buys plastic from the USA so they can throw the plastic into the ocean for some reason. Sounds legit.
China doesn't anymore. Many other Asian (and other poor) nations do. The "some reason" is that the price of used plastic is negative.
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That's the hilarious part about the virtue signallers in the US and Europe
Yes, not being an asshole and generating utterly needless plastic waste is "virtue signalling". It seems you've found an excuse to be the biggest jerk possible because anything else is "virtue signalling" and you've been told that's evil.
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unless, as someone in here once claimed, China buys plastic from the USA so they can throw the plastic into the ocean for some reason. Sounds legit.
Well the US used to sell 7 million tons of the stuff to China to 'recycle' it. [npr.org] So it's not far from true.
A lot of it would wind up in landfills 'suspiciously close' to rivers. And get 'accidently' washed away if they flooded...
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You have thought about this but you have not actually experienced it. This has got nothing to so with robotics. The simple problem is that you can make money by selling plastic but there is no economic model to cleaup up garbage.
We can blame China today, Philippines tommorow and India day after. As long as petro chemical industry remains intact , there wont be a change.
Ideally you may tax the plastic creators but without peteoleum how do you expect to maintain hegemony ?
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China manufactures around 22% of our stuff. Slightly more than the (combined) EU, slightly less than the (combined) NAFTA countries.
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China manufactures around 22% of our stuff. Slightly more than the (combined) EU, slightly less than the (combined) NAFTA countries.
It's a heavy burden we bear, but we have to understand that we are designated as the source of all fault. Apparently your numbers are bad, and the USA only buys products from China, and no other country in the world buys their products. /s
Apparently the USA is at fault for the pollution caused by Chinese citizens buying Chinese made products as well. It's complicated.
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So the progression of your argument is that the U.S. can continue to add to the pollution because "those other guys:? From Fox "News" to your brain, nary a sophisticated critique in sight. You must feel very proud.
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No it isn't (Score:3, Insightful)
Since they manufacture all of our stuff itâ(TM)s not unexpected. Easy to blame China, but it is our fault too. If China did not exist the exact same amount of pollution would occur (yes pedants, minus Chinaâ(TM)s own consumption obviously.)
No, it isn't.
America built itself up, realized that it was screwing the environment, then took steps to mitigate the situation. We're still figuring that out, but we have lots of regulation, the EPA, alternative energy, and technology to apply to the problem.
How are we responsible for what China did? Couldn't China have built itself up the same way we did? Can't China come to the same realization we did... but a little later?
Seriously, this need for shame and sorrow is not (mentally) healthy.
Instead of beat
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America built itself up, realized that it was screwing the environment, then took steps to mitigate the situation.
Per capita, America still pollutes more than China.
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Really? Then the US is worse than Jamaica? What kind of stupid nonsense is that?
Re:No it isn't (Score:4, Insightful)
Climate doesn't care about how humans choose to divide up the surface of the planet.
If China were split into several countries, the USA would be the highest emitter, but total emissions would not change. Per capita is the only relevant measure.
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Since anyone in North America or South America can freely walk across to USA-Mexico border, why split the continents up into several countries? Let's just consider the population of Mexico and every Central American and South America country into the USA's per capita number.
Bet it goes down a lot.
Doesn't change total emissions either. But if you want to gerrymander borders to choose who's the worst polluter and who's not, then it can go both ways.
Or alternatively, if the population of the United States we
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It is an important metric, but it is not the only one, not until we agree that you can't just make more people to increase your share of the global environment.
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Per capita, Canada pollutes more than USA.
So does Australia and several countries in the Persian Gulf.
Per capita is the only measurement that matters. Otherwise, you are mostly judging countries by population, which is silly.
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Let's be explicit.
When comparing how much different countries are contributing to the problem, there are two numbers that matter:
Per Capita
Per GDP (or maybe some other more suitable measure of productivity / standard of living)
To understand the scope of the problem, the total from all countries is what matters.
Re:No it isn't (Score:4, Insightful)
We in Canada could reduce our emissions to zero and it won't make a lick of difference worldwide. No, per capita does not matter.
And every other group of 38 million people [google.com] can make the exact same argument...
Nothing will get done. It's always someone else's fault.
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We could also stop selling China coal.
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It's not like China is doing nothing. They have more renewable energy installed than the rest of the world combined. They are leaders in electric vehicle and battery technology.
It's just that there are a lot of them, and they are rapidly developing (i.e. lots of concrete which is a major source of CO2), and yes they screwed up sometimes as well like the mothballed coal plant debacle. Rather than complaining perhaps a better option is to encourage and work with them to accelerate the process. But oh no, then
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How are we responsible for what China did?
What did China do? By all accounts they became a large industrialised nation with only a fraction of the emissions per capita that the self-realised Americans continue to emit to this day, all the while manufacturing all of Americas stuff for them.
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To fucking hell it is. This is in no way the US's fault. We have done our part. We cut our emissions, what more do you want us todo? This is squarely on the heads of the Chinese, nobody else.
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Did you miss the point where, on a per-capita basis, the USA emits more greenhouse gasses than all other nations?
Or perhaps you missed the point where, on a historical basis, the USA has the highest total emissions of greenhouse gasses?
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I believe you missed the whole god damn point. Let me spell it out for you. We done our fucking part. You want someone bitch at, bitch at the Chinese.
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What is 'our part'. We emit more per capita than any other nation. It is possible to bitch at both the US and China. The US for still leading the way in terms of excess and China for trying really really hard to catch up.
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Correction, any other developed nation, there are a handful of small nations with refineries that are ahead in per capita emissions.
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No, I didn't miss the point, because the point you were trying to make was based on a falsehood.
We haven't done our part.
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Until your per-capita emissions come down to at least European levels, then sorry but you have not done your part.
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Until your per-capita emissions come down to at least European levels, then sorry but you have not done your part.
They're not even planning to.
Biden's climate plan is to "target reducing emissions by 50-52 percent by 2030 compared to 2005 levels."
2005 America was at 20.79t [ourworldindata.org]
So the target is basically 10t a person. But Europe is already cleaner than that today. EU-28 is less than 7 already. And getting cleaner.
Biden's plan is in 2030, to be 40% worse than the EU already is today.
missing link... (Score:2)
Until your per-capita emissions come down to at least European levels, then sorry but you have not done your part.
They're not even planning to.
Biden's climate plan [whitehouse.gov] is to "target reducing emissions by 50-52 percent by 2030 compared to 2005 levels."
2005 America was at 20.79t [ourworldindata.org]
So the target is basically 10t a person. But Europe is already cleaner than that today. EU-28 is less than 7 already. And getting cleaner.
Biden's plan is in 2030, to be 40% worse than the EU already is today.
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Chinese care about pollution. They really don't like smog. It's in fact a major problem that is being addressed.
CO2 emissions on the other hand, no one cares about. Beyond the "we'll take all the industry fleeing high power prices and CO2 emission regulations". That's actually one of the reasons why China keeps climbing. The more West penalizes CO2 while demand remains for the end product, the more production facilities leave the West for the rest of the world.
And Chinese offer really good incentives for foreign industrial capacity being moved there.
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