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Impossible Burgers Are Coming To US Schools (engadget.com) 86

Impossible Foods has secured Child Nutrition Labels for its Impossible Burger products, which means they can now be part of school nutrition programs in the US. Engadget reports: To obtain the CN Labels, USDA's Food and Nutrition Services had to evaluate the plant-based meat's product formulation, as well as the company's quality control procedures and manufacturing processes. Now that it has acquired CN Labels for its products, the company is launching K-12 pilot programs this month in partnership with several school districts. The Palo Alto Unified School District in California, the Aberdeen School District in Washington, the Deer Creek Public Schools in Edmond, Oklahoma and the Union City Public Schools in Union City, Oklahoma will be using Impossible's faux meat in a variety of dishes for their menu. Those dishes include tacos, frito pies and spaghetti with Impossible meat sauce. Other school districts can easily obtain Impossible products from suppliers to add them to their menus, as well.
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Impossible Burgers Are Coming To US Schools

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  • by zuckie13 ( 1334005 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @08:29PM (#61374894)

    It's school food - so this might actually be an improvement.

    • Either way, they'll pay for it

      https://southpark.cc.com/video... [cc.com]

    • by gosso920 ( 6330142 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @08:42PM (#61374938)
      Do you want more school shootings? Because that's how you get more school shootings.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        No, giving kids Adderall to treat ADHD is how we get more school shootings. Adderall is, afterall, a prescription form of amphetamines.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This reminds of Texas prisons, where because of a contract, Vita Pro was substituted for meat in all prisons in the state. Then it was found that were were some underhanded schemes going on, and it was dumped.

      School kids don't get as many rights as prisoners (prisoners don't have "lunch debt"), I'm sure some private company is going to make it big when this happens, and unlike prisons where there are minimum standards, there isn't much one can do to protest this.

    • at my school yeah, big improvement. You'd need to go to prison to find worse meat. Or Taco Bell.
    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      Its odd how Americans are normally so individualist and enterprising, but just assume that school-provided lunches are the only way.

      Here in Australia, we normally send our kids to school with a lunch-box. It up to the parents what goes in, but some schools periodically promote healthy eating.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/20... [abc.net.au]

      We still have a serious childhood obesity problem, but at 8% it is half the rate of white American kids, assuming the classification methods are similar.

      • by Anonymous Coward
        Many schools in the US actually discourage parents from packing lunch for their kids.
        • Jokes on them. I was homeschooled.

          Nah, the kind of shit I did experience during my periods in public schools made it clear they are a political racket. private schools are more of a racket with a bit less politics and more elitism. Homeschooling is undervalued but clearly most families cannot do it. The greatest weakness is keeping up your kids social skills but clubs can solve this.

    • by bjwest ( 14070 )

      It's school food - so this might actually be an improvement.

      Depends on the school. My local schools, and those in the surrounding cities, have actual cooks in the kitchen that cook decent meals for lunch. It's the outsourced pre-packaged just reheat it and plop it on the, usually styrofoam, tray shit most school districts have switched to that's actually shit food and not at all healthy for our kids.

  • Bleech. (Score:2, Funny)

    by Ostracus ( 1354233 )

    Well at least it will be better than that pink slime.

    • How is this truth rated as troll? It should be marked funny and informative.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        You must be new around here. These days, truth is a crime, and false narratives are modded up to help propagate propaganda further.

      • Because it is literally worse than pink slime?

        At least pink sime contains what formerly used to be proteins.
        Unless they artificially added other proteins, and vitamin b12, which would make it even more artificial.

        Frankly, at that point, eating a stack of wet toilet paper would probably be more healthy.

  • I tried one. It was not good. Poor kids.

  • WhY? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by hallkbrdz ( 896248 )

    I can't believe any kids are asking for this.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by bjoast ( 1310293 )
      Almost no one is asking for fewer animal products in their diets. This sentiment is based almost exclusively on aggressive propaganda.
      • Why though? All it will do is drag out overpopulation.

        With their anxiety disorders and retro-invalidating consent, they won't be able to reproduce anyway. Giving them soyboy sperm, ultrafeminism and stupidity due to messed up estrogen and vitamim B12 deficiency will not improve that.

  • in these gym mats.

    But lots of vitamin R in the malk.

  • by I, myself, and me ( 6127650 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:06PM (#61375000)
    Sure, the food is "plant based" but the nasty part is that food is highly processed. That means it might even be nutritionally healthy (because of the additives) but it'll be like eating Ho-Ho's, or a bag of chips...and we know what happens when [most][1] people eat highly processed (junk) food.

    [1] There's always the picture of the guy who has had a Big Mac every day for lunch, starting with the first day they were made available - he's as thin as a rail.
    • Surely there is less corn syrup in a highly processed veggie burger than a ding dong. It's not reasonable to find one thing wrong and assume an equivalence of severity.

    • Toilet paper is "plant-based"!
      Hell, coal is "plant-based"!

      If you add "-based", it means nothing anymore, as it can mean literally anything.

      If we really needed to, we could make "plant-based" nuclear fuel from bananas.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Why are the schools giving kids burgers anyway?

      • Because it's an American staple.

        Because the U.S. Government subsidizes both the cattle industry and school food, and makes it easy for them to do business with each other.

    • by Vintermann ( 400722 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @08:15AM (#61376168) Homepage

      Lumping together everything we do with food to "processing" is bad. Some processes make food better, some make them worse. Think about what specific things that actually covers: boiling, roasting, frying, poaching, blanching, mincing, steeping, smoking, marinating, fermenting, pickling, curing...

      A lot of food is inedible or poisonous without processing - or will be, in short order. Some forms of processing can be bad for us because they add things we like that aren't good for us (like the taste of smoke), or because they remove things that are good for us which we aren't too fond of (like when we remove a bitter compound but useful nutrients along with it), but the act of processing itself is a very crude measure of that.

  • by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:10PM (#61375012)
    I once read a nutritionist report on the impossible burger, they found it different but fat-wise not exactly better than a traditional mass market burger patty. The patty also had quite a bit of sodium, but that can be compensated by having less sodium elsewhere in the burger. It has no cholesterol, which is good.
    Final recommendation was to eat it in moderation, not more often than a McDonalds style burger which you should ideally not eat often either.br I eat an impossible burger from time to time. It is quite tasty, and actually near impossible to taste that it is not meat. It can taste wise easily compete with a McDonalds burger but not with a gourmet restaurant style burger. I like most about it that it seems easier to digest, I do not have the feel of a lump in the stomach after finishing it. Actually my friends have the same impression.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It's been fairly well proven that cholesterol in your diet does not affect blood cholesterol levels.

    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:49PM (#61375098)

      It's essentially junk food for vegans. Nothing wrong with that, everyone should have the ability to eat something unhealthy if they want!

      Just about everything though needs to fix the sodium problem. Most mass produced food adds either extra salt or sugar, otherwise they don't sell well. And even when making stuff from scratch, the recipes often suggest adding salt.

      • ...mass produced food adds either extra salt or sugar,

        Lots of salt _and_ sugar in most of the food I ate in US (as a visitor, it's mostly restaurants that I experienced). Tastes great, in a shallow kind of way.

    • Yeah, I feel the same way? It's delicious, but boy howdy, don't eat too much of it if your digestive system can't handle large amounts of fat.

      I've had a duodenal switch gastric bypass, and while I loved the burger, it thought it was running a Formula One race to the finish line.

    • they found it different but fat-wise not exactly better than a traditional mass market burger patty.

      And? I thought we were past the point where we just lumped everything together as "fat" and declared it unhealthy. Which type of fat? Which type of cholesterol?

      Final recommendation was to eat it in moderation, not more often than a McDonalds style burger

      What McDonalds? An American McDonalds, a European one where medium is large and there's no supersize option, or a Japanese one where small is large and there's no supersize option, and no double quarter pounders on the menu?

      I do not have the feel of a lump in the stomach after finishing it.

      If you get this feeling eating normal meat you're doing something wrong. Consider the aforementioned portion control if you ever

  • As if kids need more salt in their diet these days.
  • Follow the money (Score:3, Insightful)

    by zkiwi34 ( 974563 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:25PM (#61375058)
    This has zero to do with healthy diet.
  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @10:17PM (#61375168)
    Won't someone think of the lunch lady?
  • i suppose it is a good thing that it tastes like crap, because this stuff is not good for you.
  • I tried the Burger King Impossible Whopper. It tastes pretty good actually but I don't really see the point. It's only very marginally "healthier" than the normal Whopper.
    • It's much much *much* unhealthier, actually!

      At least the meat was supposedly pure, even with all the anti-depressants and antibioiics and grinding. It was not ground to the level of pink slime aka sausage or chicken nuggets.

      These here are very much possible patties of hyper-processed, artificially textured, artificially flavored and artificially colored slime.

      Sadly, our lists of ingredients and nutrition tables completely ignore the last 50 years of research, and never tell you how processed it is, even tho

    • by Ormy ( 1430821 )
      The point AFAIK is that these non-meat burgers contribute less to global warming than real meat. It is true that the millions of cows bred for meat (and other species but cows are the worst) contribute a very significant portion to AGW. However it is unclear at the moment the exact amount of reduction in CO2-equivalent release afforded by non-meat products.
      • by Bongo ( 13261 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @06:52AM (#61376036)

        Sun falls on grass growing in soil. Ruminant eats grass and process it into nutrient dense meat. Humans (with digestive tracts which are too small for anything other than mainly meat, having long since traded our guts for brain size) eat the ruminants. Meanwhile, ruminants poop and pee on the soil, returning most of the nutrients for soil health back to the soil. And predators keep the ruminants bunched up and moving from one area to the next, so nothing is overgrazed nor missed. Much of the land can grow grass but not crops.

        Humans "evolve" some smarts and decide this process isn't "natural" and start messing with every aspect. You know, even crops need fertiliser of some sort because gosh, soil health matters. After thousands of years, humans start to figure it out again that gosh, ruminants really do have a crucial role to play in soil health. Indian vegetarian Hindus quietly ignore the millions of meat eating Muslims whose animals contribute to soil health for the veggies.

        Modern bioengineering industries and companies quietly forget that all that plant protein has to, gasp, come from plants which will need GMO and all sorts of inputs to make them grow in ever worse soil conditions. They go to the UN, and VCs, and sell the idea that plant based means saving the world and attract investors with the promise that they'll get the UN to get countries to outlaw livestock and meat and we'll all be forced to buy patented technologies. Everyone is happy until they aren't. Weirdly people's health continues to worsen.

        Yes it is another day on planet stupid. If the environment is a real concern, stop having children. It is all about overpopulation in the end, and this has been said for hundreds of years. Pre-industrial population was about one billion. When the Club of Rome made their model on the limits to growth in 1968, we were then at 3.5 billion. We've since more than doubled. It is never going to be about "reduce, recycle, conserve" blah blah as we'll continue to outbreed the savings.

        And for god's sake stop trying to engineer the answer with more and more biotech which is messing more and more with the natural systems. The problem is not too many cows it is too many people trying to mess with the planet's natural systems. Even cows aren't being given their natural diets most of the time.

        Hope that was a mildly amusing rant.

        • Cows don't have a natural diet because we bred them. There is no such thing as a natural diet for a cow because a cow is not natural.

          The Americas had no need of a cow. North America had the Bison. We all but exterminated them... to make room for cows. South America had its own meat animals. They've been destroying their natural lands... to make room for cows. They plant "improved pasture" that nourishes cows but another animal in the field will die of malnutrition.

          I like eating cows but they're just unsusta

          • by spazzmo ( 743767 )
            Utter nonsense. This would only be true if we had made cows from scratch, instead of the mere warping of a natural grazing animal. The rest of your post is spot-on though. :-)
        • by Ormy ( 1430821 )

          You'll get very little argument from me. Too many cows *is* a big problem in terms of greenhouse gas release, but certainly not the only problem of that scale. And at the root of all these problems is overpopulation and inefficient distribution of resources (the amount of food waste including meat from 5-star hotels is astounding).

          Even though I eat a fair bit of beef I try to offset my personal environmental impact by not ever having children (they're just too expensive and parenthood does not appeal to

    • its so you can have the taste of a burger without hurting animals.

  • It has been repeatedly admitted by the industries that make them that plant-based burgers have no appreciable health benefit over meat-based burgers. To put it bluntly, they are just as unhealthy as meat prepared the same way.

    There may be ethical reasons to choose to eat plant-based meat substitutes, or someone might have other personal reasons for preferring to not eat meat. That's perfectly okay.

    But anyone pushing them as some sort of "nutritional" alternative to beef is a joke.

    • It has been repeatedly admitted by the industries that make them that plant-based burgers have no appreciable health benefit over meat-based burgers.

      Of course not, because ultimately we still don't know what is healthy and what isn't. However it is clear that all the things we measure in food are different between an impossible meat burger and regular beef burger. Higher in sodium, equal to higher in various forms of fat, lower in various forms of cholesterol. Lower in calorie count than a medium-rare cooked burger, but equal when you burn the meat to a crisp (whereas the impossible burger remains largely unchanged in the cooking process). The impossibl

  • Schools buy food on price alone. Unless impossible are selling cheaper than everything else schools won't be interested

    • Well, there's nothing cheaper than soy and aimilar beans.
      And weirdly, we live in a world, where highly processed crap is somehow cheaper than the same thing but unprocessed, because once demand was high enough, the volume lowered the price or something.

      (Seriously, why is a bag of sugar so much cheaper than the plants it is made from?? That's fucked up!)

      • Those ingredients may be cheap, but the price of Impossible Burgers in the supermarket is at least twice that of decent ground beef.
      • (Seriously, why is a bag of sugar so much cheaper than the plants it is made from?? That's fucked up!)

        That's really chemistry and biology. That's why we have jam...fresh strawberries spoil FAST. Strawberry jam lasts for years. Fresh sugarcane spoils and is heavy. Dehydrated extract can be stored for infinitely and shipped cheaply anywhere. Also, EVERYONE needs sugar. Few actually use the plants it comes from.

        Food that's processed can be shipped farther and stored longer. Spoilage and weight are 2 of the biggest costs for any food. That's why farmer are are constantly struggling yet food is so exp

  • Hello no! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 )

    You're not feeding that hyper-processed crap to any children!
    It's literally more processed than chicken nuggets on toast!

    And processed crap is what's actually making us sick. Especially high-shitty-carb (-> obesity, cardiovascular diseases, stupidity) crap. But wait, now it's with more high-soy (->estrogen) crap.

    Do we really need to wait another 50 years before the profit industry admits they ruined humanity yet again?

  • by bumblebees ( 1262534 ) on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @06:16AM (#61375994)
    How US is feeding their school kisds such a lot of garbage! Just look at Jamie Oliver on youtube when he is cooking in a US School kitchen. I would be crying also! French fries do not count as a vegetable!
  • Tastes like shit, is worse for you than meat, and more expensive. I hope the virtue signal makes it worth it.
    • Tastes like shit, is worse for you than meat, and more expensive. I hope the virtue signal makes it worth it.

      You got the first part wrong, but the rest is spot on. It doesn't taste like shit. It's passable. It doesn't taste better, but the difference is pretty subtle.

      What I agree with is it's not good for you. Too much soy is bad for you. There are all sorts of side effects, including some concerning hormone imbalances. I can personally feel it and I'm not allergic to soy.

      I've eaten a whopper and it's fine. I don't feel better, I don't feel worse. I've eaten an impossible whopper a few times. It ta

      • by spazzmo ( 743767 )
        So people can pretend to themselves they are being more healthy/caring without having to actually make any real changes at all?
      • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

        If you don't like the Impossible Burger for the soy you could switch to the Beyond Meat version which uses pea protein instead.

  • VASTLY more expensive per kg. ($6.80 vs $2-$3) NOT nutritionally better (more salt, HIGHLY processed, less natural components) Even setting aside whether we care if our children are eating shitty-tasting food or not, what this tells me is that we no longer need to increase school budgets if they can pay for luxury meat 3x the price of beef. I guess "go woke, go broke" is true even for government entities.

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