Harvey Schlossberg, Cop With a PhD in Defusing a Crisis, Dies at 85 (nytimes.com) 32
Harvey Schlossberg, a former New York City traffic cop with a doctorate in psychology who choreographed what became a model law enforcement strategy for safely ending standoffs with hostage takers, died on May 21 in Brooklyn. He was 85. From a report: His death, at a hospital, was caused by cardiopulmonary arrest, said his wife, Dr. Antoinette Collarini Schlossberg. The need for a standard protocol for hostage situations became more pressing in 1971 after the botched rescue of guards during the Attica prison riots in upstate New York. The next year, captives were taken in a Brooklyn bank robbery (the inspiration behind the 1975 Al Pacino film "Dog Day Afternoon") and Israeli athletes were seized and massacred by Palestinian terrorists at the Munich Olympics. In a pioneering training film he made for the New York Police Department in 1973, Harvey Schlossberg said that in a hostage situation, police officers "all believed, 'If you gave me the right gun with the right bullet, I can put everybody out.'"
"But I don't think it works that easy," he said. "That's a Hollywood thing." Instead, he counseled patience and "crisis intervention therapy." Delaying tactics, he said, allowed more time for the criminals to make mistakes and, just as crucially, to develop a rapport with their victims, leaving the hostage-takers less likely to harm them. "Harvey faced an uphill battle getting cops to 'negotiate with killers,' because for 130 years the N.Y.P.D.'s official M.O. in barricade situations had been to issue ultimatums, throw in smoke and tear gas, and, if necessary storm the building," Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a law enforcement think tank, said in an email. "Many lives were lost. Harvey changed that."
"But I don't think it works that easy," he said. "That's a Hollywood thing." Instead, he counseled patience and "crisis intervention therapy." Delaying tactics, he said, allowed more time for the criminals to make mistakes and, just as crucially, to develop a rapport with their victims, leaving the hostage-takers less likely to harm them. "Harvey faced an uphill battle getting cops to 'negotiate with killers,' because for 130 years the N.Y.P.D.'s official M.O. in barricade situations had been to issue ultimatums, throw in smoke and tear gas, and, if necessary storm the building," Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a law enforcement think tank, said in an email. "Many lives were lost. Harvey changed that."
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Re:COVID? (Score:5, Interesting)
Douchebag. The Madison Model of dealing with protests was demonstrated in the 1970s to keep peaceful protests peaceful, it's been known for over half a century that meeting a peaceful protest with excessive force and removing its leadership is the quickest way to turn a peaceful protest into an uncontrolled riot. I'll let you guess which method was employed in the 7% of BLM protests that turned violent.
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Yes, BLM is a well-organized group with liaisons to various other groups. Their leadership is currently undergoing a transition.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/b... [blacklivesmatter.com]
You're thinking of ANTIFA, which isn't an actual group but a loose affiliation of multiple groups of various types, all opposed to the growing possibility of fascism in the US.
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I think it's inaccurate to call it "an organized group co-founded by Patrisse Cullors". It's a bit like saying that hippies were "an organized group co-founded by Abbie Hoffman". (To his credit, Abbie Hoffman would have laughed at you if you suggested that). Cullors is the head of one specific organization called the "Black Lives Matter Global Foundation", but there are multiple *other* organizations which also use the "Black Lives Matter" name and which are not affiliated with her organization. In fact
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What peaceful protest though? The protestors were showing up with weapons while wearing armor and carrying shields. They were showing up fully intending to start a conflict with police. They had no intention of remaining peaceful. Their plans were literally to start things with the cops because their were actively protesting the existence of police in the first place! (This is why one of their demands is defunding police.)
The problem with methods designed to defuse violent situations is that they assume tha
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> The protestors were showing up with weapons while wearing armor and carrying shields.
The number of such protesters compared to the size of the crowds was small, only 1% by some estimates. The failure of BLM to police their own was profound proof of the need for police in ordinary society: I did choose the verb deliberately.
Re: COVID? (Score:2)
What peaceful protest though?
Honest question, how many protests in how many cities do you think there were?
Just ballpark, in how many cities were there large protests on the same day at the peak? How many people do you estimate, in total?
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According to the NYT last summer there were: .
https://www.nytimes.com/intera... [nytimes.com]
The recent Black Lives Matter protests peaked on June 6, when half a million people turned out in nearly 550 places across the United States. That was a single day in more than a month of protests that still continue to today. .
Four recent polls — including one released this week by Civis Analytics, a data science firm that works with businesses and Democratic campaigns — suggest that about 15 million to 26 million pe
Counter view (Score:2)
Douchebag. The Madison Model of dealing with protests was demonstrated in the 1970s to keep peaceful protests peaceful, it's been known for over half a century that meeting a peaceful protest with excessive force and removing its leadership is the quickest way to turn a peaceful protest into an uncontrolled riot. I'll let you guess which method was employed in the 7% of BLM protests that turned violent.
As a counterpoint, note that there were roughly 450 BLM riots last year, with over 50 deaths and the complete breakdown of government control in a couple of blocks in Seattle. A handful of the deaths were homeless people found dead in buildings set ablaze, and at least two were due to lack of services in the CHAZ area(*).
Estimates of $1 to $2 billion in damages across 140 cities, and the resultant defunding of police has caused a recent spike in crime.
So the "hands off, stand down" position is perhaps not t
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As a counterpoint, note that there were roughly 450 BLM riots last year, with over 50 deaths and the complete breakdown of government control in a couple of blocks in Seattle
To get that number they're counting as little as two broken windows or a single statue of a traitor being pulled down as a "riot". A bit disingenuous, don't you think?
"Complete breakdown of government"? Really? You rather obviously don't live in Seattle, and definitely don't know shit about Capitol Hill. City water, sewer, electricity were all still functional, meter readers and repair techs did their jobs without interference. Fire trucks and ambulance service were allowed in when necessary. A friend
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50 deaths in 450 riots? That's only one death per riot. That seems inordinately low.
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Wish I could both comment and a up-mod this. The media want people to believe that just because someone has a degree or a title automagically places their opinion above reproach and criticism.
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It's in the very first sentence of TFS:
"Harvey Schlossberg, a former New York City traffic cop with a doctorate in psychology"
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There is a link, you moron.
Just FYI.
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Well, I guess the idea is that reader would understand that there is no such thing as phd in defusing a crisis.
But it seems they over-estimated at least one reader's intelligence...
“Never use no, don't, won't or can't” (Score:2)
“Never use no, don't, won't or can't” in a negotiation as it “eliminates options”.
Great loss for Hollywood (Score:2)
Re: Great loss for Hollywood (Score:2)
You have seen Dirty Harry, right?
Speaking of Hollywood (Score:2)
Hostage situation! Do we send
a) Samuel L. Jackson
b) Kevin Spacey
c) Jean Reno
d) Denzel Washington
e) Steve Buscemi
f) Jason Statham
g) Jodie Foster
h) Larry David
i) everyone (as in, Whaddya mean everyone?)