Biden To Revoke and Replace Trump's Executive Order That Sought To Ban TikTok (nytimes.com) 113
President Biden on Wednesday will revoke a Trump-era executive order that sought to ban the popular app TikTok and replace it with one that calls for a broader review of a number of foreign-controlled applications that could pose a security risk to Americans and their data. From a report: According to a memo circulated by the Commerce Department and obtained by The New York Times, the order will address a number of applications and bolster recent actions the Biden administration has taken to curb the growing influence of Chinese technology companies.
It is the first significant step Mr. Biden has taken to address a challenge left for him by President Donald J. Trump, whose administration fought to ban TikTok and force its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, to sell the app. Legal challenges immediately followed and the app is still available as the battle languishes in the courts. Mr. Biden's order "will direct the secretary of commerce to use a criteria-based decision framework and rigorous, evidence-based analysis to evaluate and address the risks" posed by foreign-operated applications, according to the memo. "As warranted, the secretary will determine appropriate actions based on a thorough review of the risks posed by foreign adversary connected software applications."
It is the first significant step Mr. Biden has taken to address a challenge left for him by President Donald J. Trump, whose administration fought to ban TikTok and force its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, to sell the app. Legal challenges immediately followed and the app is still available as the battle languishes in the courts. Mr. Biden's order "will direct the secretary of commerce to use a criteria-based decision framework and rigorous, evidence-based analysis to evaluate and address the risks" posed by foreign-operated applications, according to the memo. "As warranted, the secretary will determine appropriate actions based on a thorough review of the risks posed by foreign adversary connected software applications."
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This seems more like what the EU has, where citizen's data is protected and exports are only allowed to places that respect those rules.
Trump's targeting of TikTok was because some kids used it to embarrass him. Biden is making a reasonable effort to protect US citizen's data and is not motivated by petty resentment.
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What's Mother Jones? Some American thing?
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I know nothing about that site so can't comment.
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Trump's targeting of TikTok was because some kids used it to embarrass him.
Except that is entirely not true, and you gave Trump's reasoning for Biden's reasoning.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog... [brookings.edu]
The executive orders argue TikTok and WeChat should be banned from the U.S. market due to national security concerns.
Behind the scenes there are several broader motivations likely also contributing to American action against TikTok and WeChat. The move is a significant escalation in ongoing technology tensions between the U.S. and China, building on earlier U.S. action against hardware companies such as Huawei and ZTE. It also reflects some officials’ desire for greater reciprocity in the U.S.-China relationship, given that many U.S. technology companies cannot operate freely in China.
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I guess your have forgotten. Trump organised a rally with free tickets. Kids on tiktok registered for hundreds of them but didn't go to the rally, so he ended up with a mostly empty venue.
Then tiktok became a national security threat. Pure coincidence I'm sure.
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Biden Continues Trumps Policies, Which Were Really Bad, But They Are Actually Really Cool Policies Now You Guys Because He Isnt Trump
... he said, ironically oblivious to why Tik-Tok is still around.
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> Biden Continues Trumps Policies
Nuh-uh, Biden/Harris were always pro-border :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Biden Continues Trumps Policies, Which Were Really Bad, But They Are Actually Really Cool Policies Now You Guys Because He Isnt Trump
Except for the fact he isn't 'continuing them' but checking first to see if they are in fact valid and/or useful. In that way it's the opposite of Trump I suppose.
Is it really that unusual to have a President interested in the facts before making decisions?
Living at the entire reason for the ban (Score:3, Insightful)
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He's Marxist, not Amish. He has no qualms using the system of his enemy in order to bring down capitalism. It doesn't even make him a hypocrite, it's a totally valid strategy.
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In what universe do people that hold an incompatible ideology simply fuck off and mind their own business? You're being unreasonable or at least ignoring millennia of human nature.
Expect actual Marxists to follow Karl Marx to some degree and work to tear down the classes in the society they live in. Karl Marx offers no advice on how to start a civilization from scratch, he only suggests how one might go about changing an existing capitalist system. (and technically a 19th century one, not a 21st century one
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Re: Living at the entire reason for the ban (Score:2)
You don't have to. You just need to order Apple and Google to stop distributing it. The effect isn't immediate, but making it hard to download and install will kill its network in a couple years.
The bad would remove it from Apple's App Store (Score:2, Informative)
But it wasn't a tantrum. It was a calculated political move to shut down a space where young people were organizing politically.
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He was trolled everywhere. It's a shame you think this was the reason.
Trump banned a ton of China based companies and products.
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That appears to have been Trump's reason. (The evidence for that is only circumstantial, however.) But this doesn't mean that the basic idea was wrong. Why should such a program be allowed on federal hardware? Why should it be allowed on secured federal property, like military bases?
That said, singling out Tiktok is probably unfair, and a more balanced approach seems definitely preferable.
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> wherever you find young people trying to organize politically for better wages and better treatment you'll find the Republican party there to try and bust it up.
How's that $15 minimum wage working out with the Biden/Harris administration?
Or how about student loan forgiveness?
So far the only thing Biden/Harris have done to help unskilled labor wages is to change direction and close the border.
Re:Living at the entire reason for the ban (Score:4, Informative)
How's that $15 minimum wage working out with the Biden/Harris administration?
Ask McConnell, he's the one holding it up...
He's the top DEMOCRAT in the Senate (Score:2)
You got your political parties mixed up. Chuck Schumer, who started the Tiktok thing, is the top DEMOCRAT in the Senate. He's not a Republican, he's the fourth highest-ranking DEMOCRAT in the country. (Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer).
Chuck Schumer demanded that the administration (specifically CIFUS) investigate Tiktok for violating the term of the acquisition. The committee found Schumer's accusations were true - they were in violation. Under 6(c) of EO 11858 and 31 C.F.R. Â 800.508 and S 802.508,
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The timing of what, exactly?
The timing Schumer filing the complaint and calling a press conference about it? Are you thinking *maybe* that was related to what had just happened, namely TikTok violating the terms of the Bytedance acquisition?
After that, deadlines are set by law. For example I mentioned by law the president has 15 days act. So not exactly a *coincidence*, more like "the law". In this case, the president's action was to give TikTok more time to comply, which is a bit unusual.
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Anyone see what I am seeing? The USA slowly becoming inconsequential in world matters?
Compared to who?
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Confirmation bias. More like the usual nation-state back-and-forth that has been happening before most of you were born.
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There clearly *is* a confirmation bias in the GP, and "the usual nation-state back-and-forth" is clearly an on-going process. But it's also true that the US is becoming less dominant. To an extent this is good, but it's also dangerous, as times when a top nation tries to cling to it's position after it was truly dominant are frequently times when extreme wars happen.
I think the proper thing to do at this time is rebuild infra-structure and guard against internal strife fomented by forces outside the count
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Oh woof, this is going to be the new "The USA saved the world in WWII?"
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We're maniacs (Score:4)
Oh woof, this is going to be the new "The USA saved the world in WWII?"
Yep, until we avert the next crisis and then we'll claim that as well.
Let me know if you see any other country helping Haiti recover from a tornado, curing guinea-worm disease worldwide, selling (not designing, not "planning to build", but actually selling) BEV cars or spaceships, allowing massive legal immigration, or anything remotely similar.
As has been pointed out, the US is the 3rd largest country by population, and our system is highly flexible. We're slow starters, but when there's a problem to be solved we're fuckin' maniacs - we devote all our energies to solving it and get it done.
It's been predicted that failures of culture or government it will happen in Europe before the US, because of our flexibility. We have extremely contentious changes of government and allow immigration from disparate cultures all over the world, but due to our flexibility we're still going strong.
So yeah, we take a little pride in being the first to develop a Covid vaccine.
And when your country does something equally spectacular, we'll congratulate you and say "good job!".
If you want your country to be responsible for saving the world next time, then do it!
The competition will benefit all people.
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... lol the blinkers are strong with this one
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Credit where credit is due, much of the key work on the first vaccine was done by a German company headed up by a Turkish immigrant.
International cooperation is good for us all.
the USA should not allow (Score:5, Insightful)
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Reminds me of the atheism quote... Basically, you and I agree that we should be protected from data-mining, except for one detail: I just add one more country.
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How do you propose to enforce that? Bearing in mind that the business involved is not within USA jurisdiction.
The logical extreme is to disallow Americans from doing business with *ANY* foreign business.
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Thats right.
Only American Oligopolies and the American government itself should be allowed to do said data mining.
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And that's a fine take but the EO form Trump is not doing well in court and removing the EO will stop that litigation that looks to be going absolutely nowhere.
Legal challenges immediately followed and the app is still available as the battle languishes in the courts
If this isn't something we want, the whole datamining, well then Congress has to step up to the plate on the matter. And this is the biggest thing I kept hammering about Trump. I'm not saying his programs didn't have legs, I am saying is that he understands so little of how government works, none of his programs had a fighting chance. The whole sh
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It shouldn't allow American companies to collect your personal data or invade your privacy either.
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not allow any foreign entity to datamine americans, be it a private multi-national corporation or foreign government, it is none of their business and an invasion of privacy, and should be illegal under any circumstances
Just to be consistent US companies should not be allowed to datamine citizens of other countries either.
I suppose you could have a general rule where only companies of Country X could be allowed to datamine citizens of Country X but that seems hard to enforce.
Alternately no companies anywhere could datamine people, though that it also somewhat hard to enforce.
This is insteresting (Score:1, Troll)
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"Someone can file a lawsuit..."
In what court?
Also, which of Obama's executive orders was Trump unable to repeal, and for what reasons?
Re:This is insteresting (Score:4, Insightful)
a bunch partisan hack judges; blocked its reversal
Partisan hacks? The Supreme Court blocked it from being rescinded because Trump violated the Administrative Powers Act. DHS then tried to rescind it, but that got overturned because the acting Secretary wasn't appointed properly and so wasn't actually the lawful Secretary of Homeland Security.
The irony of both failed attempts to rescind DACA is that they could have been successful if the Trump administration had governed competently.
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If we wanted to fix the immigration system we'd deport all the DACA recipients immediately and use it as map find their undocumented associates and deport them too. - Send a high profile message there is no profit and no opportunity to be found in breaking into the USA illegally and the caravans would cease!
When I hear opinions like this I sometimes hope it will be discovered that the author was actually smuggled into the US as an infant (without their knowledge), and this is then discovered causing them to be deported to the birth country they never lived in.
It's not an implausible scenario [theatlantic.com].
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DACA
Because it was an executive order that changed federal law without going through congress and, essentially, told ICE not to do their job for this fiat created class of people.
Oh (Score:3, Funny)
Does the app break the law? (Score:1)
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The 2nd result might even end up stronger and target more companies.
If it's not as easily challenged in the courts, that's also a benefit.
Why didn't the first person take those steps to reach his decisions? He probably had other motivations for arriving at the same destination.
Compensation (Score:2, Informative)
For example, every decision made so far by the Biden administration regarding the border.
Or maybe Biden is trying to compensate for something.
No argument that there really should be strict control on US citizens data profile but why hyper-focus on TikTok?
There are many examples where the PRC has practically open access to de
WRONG (Score:3, Insightful)
You sir, are horribly mistaken. Perhaps you are confused and think 4 years of Trump's hatred of anything Obama (famously so to the point world leaders joked about it) is Biden's behavior.
Biden generally loves to create advisory panels and committees to investigate everything then make recommendations; he was like this in the senate too. As a low information American, you no doubt have been unaware of how many panels he's been making.
The border mess is an immediate problem and some policies have been debated
NYT: Please apply patch... (Score:2)
< It is the first significant step Mr. Biden has taken to address a challenge left for him by President Donald J. Trump
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> It is the first significant step President Biden has taken to address a challenge left for him by former President Donald J. Trump
Thank you.
carzy or bought (Score:2)
The rules (Score:2)
The rules:
1. Revoke and reverse anything Trump did.
2. If people don't like it, appoint a commission.
3. If people don't like that, call them racist.
Re: Suggestion (Score:5, Informative)
While I think he probably could do something like that, it wouldn't be smart. There would likely be negative consequences which would be political chum for the ridiculous right. Better to actually figure out what the orders did first, which was an exercise the Trumped administration never engaged in.
Re: Suggestion (Score:5, Insightful)
Orange Man was upset and overreacted, giving Tik Tok a first amendment defense. Yes, Orange Man Bad... at his job.
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Tiktok is an app owned by a chinese corporation which would step on people's first amendment rights
This should be the bit where you realize Chinese corporations aren't the US government.
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And you are seriously talking about their first amendment rights? they're a corporation, they shouldn't have any
Look it up.
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I'm not so bad one you get to know me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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incorrect.
team orange is a f***ing moron
Re:Suggestion (Score:5, Insightful)
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
While I consider Trump to be the worst president in American History (with the events of 2020 putting him below Buchanan) That doesn't mean all his decisions or actions were wrong.
So a lot of the XO that Trump made, really should be reviewed before just overturning them just because we don't like the guy.
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Executive Orders should not exist. They are an abomination and overreach by the Executive. I understand the need they fulfill, but a better way needs to be found. Having the "Supreme Executive" creating "law" on a whim is a recipe for long term disaster and will turn the Office of the President into the Office of the King.
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Which would pay off about half of what we wasted in Afghanistan. How come I never hear anyone saying "How are we gonna pay for that" ???
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Whataboitism
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Hypocrisy, and therefore contemptible lack of integrity