Iran Alleges State-Linked News Websites Were Seized by the US (bloomberg.com) 92
Iran alleges that the U.S. State Department seized the websites of some of the country's major news networks, hours after a message on several state-run Iranian news websites claimed they were "seized by the United States Government," the Islamic Republic of Iran News Network said in a statement on its website. From a report: The statement alleges the move was part of a larger-scale crackdown by the U.S. government on news websites linked to what Iran calls the 'Axis of Resistance,' which includes Syria, Hezbollah, some Iraqi militias and Hamas. The web domains, the English-language news network Press TV as well as Arabic-language channels, Al-Alam News and Al-Kawthar TV appear to have been affected according to the report.
Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed To Do (Score:1)
There's just no way for a terrorist^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h news organization to stay on teh web because other U.S. gubbiment overarching control. /s
Cry me a fucking river.
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Constutution of The United States of America - Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I see no infringement of the above and nothing mentioned of Iranian "news" websites.
But, I think a liberal interpretation may well allow Iran to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, if they are so inclined.
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I think Iran's government is pretty straightforward about our freedom of speech laws not carrying over into their jurisdiction.
Re: Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed T (Score:2)
Congress didn't pass any laws for this anyway. It appears the justice department acted unilaterally.
You either value the principle of freedom of speech or you don't. Dictatorships suppress opposing voices, democracies debate them. If you want to prove someone is talking nonsense it's best to let them speak.
Re: Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed T (Score:4)
This approach has not worked with "Q", Trump and his fellow travelers. Despite the fact that much of what Q and Trump say is obvious nonsense, millions of people believe them.
Re: Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah yeah but it's funny how many of you rush to defend homophobic, fundamentalist, violent, Iran on the grounds of rights only afforded to Americans... yet ignore 500+ non-violent AMERICAN political prisoners from the jan6 protests who are *still* incarcerated in solitary confinement, violating UN human rights protocols. Oh, let me guess: trump supporters don't get human rights?
The Jan 6 mob are not "still incarcerated in solitary confinement". Except for a few who were arrested for actual assault, and whom a judge ruled presented a danger, they are all out on bail. https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com] https://www.politico.com/news/... [politico.com]
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They did NOT seize a web site. They did not take anything. What did happen, is they used the law to force a domain name host, to redirect that data base entry to the web site nominated. The only speech affected was the data base host, their right to speak about what IP address is associated with what domain name.
So this speaks of EXTREME lame pettiness on behalf of the US government. They might as well build a specific website for that domain name, which spews out childish insults to the Iranians in farsi,
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"The people" means only US citizens?
See this is the problem, non-citizens seem to have basically no rights in the eyes of the United States, so doing business with the US is extremely risky. Much as I would like to I'd certainly never visit there, it's not safe.
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Blah Blah Blah... 1st AMENDMENT!
Does it apply to non US-resident? Most of the time, laws are only valid within a jurisdiction. Indeed there is the cloud act, but that seems an exception rather than the norm.
Re: Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed T (Score:3, Insightful)
Freedom of speech for the westboro Baptist church, but not for foreigners? I guess you don't really believe in freedom of speech then.
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The whole concept of 'foreigners' is the keystone to having the stupider Americans treat everyone else like shit.
I feel sorry for the regular non-brainwashed variety who are lumped in together with their stupider brethren.
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Agree on Sovereignty - but this is about the divisive mindset of treating others as Others to be hated - not as just someone else.
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The only terrorists in this particular instance are the US State Department.
Who's putting up a show of force and exerting power here? Hint: it ain't Iran.
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Yeah because Iran has never abridged anyone's speech since the revolution. And absolutely haven't executed people for speaking out against the government of Iran.
What goes around, comes around. It bears far more weight if human rights abusers aren't crying about human rights abuse. That applies to the United States equally btw.
Re: Boo Freekin' Hoo What's A Terrorist Supposed T (Score:2)
Are you going to be morally superior to people you call terrorists? Or are you going to copy whatever they do?
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You do know that the Brits and Americans were responsible for what Iran turned into right? or are you one of those people who think the Shah of Iran wasn't a Brutal
Western Puppet Dictator who was used to replace Iran's first Democratically Elected government when they tried to make sure Iran got a fair share of the profits oil companies were making there?
The same type of dickhead behavior as they are trying in Central American right now, have been doing in North Africa, and are trying in Syria.
The level of
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You do know that the Brits and Americans were responsible for what Iran turned into right?
Absolutely, I do. That's why we should stop fucking with their shit...
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Yeah, it's almost like carving up entire geographic regions for your own personal gain at the expense of the people already there is a bad idea. I'm glad you brought this to my attention, because it's absolutely a new revelation. /s
For the record, I don't have a beef against Iran other than what the Iranians themselves do. The Shah was a shithead dictator that was unfortunately propped up by western powers for access to oil, and deserved what he got - cancer and exile. I don't care if they want to have a
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That's classic whataboutism. It doesn't excuse us, but the topic of discussion in this instance has an aggressor (the US State Dept) and victims (Iran's media services and citizens who rely on them).
We can talk about the other one too, but trying to hijack this is just disingenuous.
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I 'd guess this isn't a speech issue but rather related to the sanctions in place. Slashdot posting the article before the justice department has been able to comment is by my guess just looking for the clickbait outrage, you're all welcome!
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i guess it's all good so long as you're a completely brainwashed twat that doesn't actually know what the fuck is going on.
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Now, why haven't they seized Faux "News" and OAN, if they're seizing terrorist networks?
I tried to warn them (Score:2)
You get what you pay for, I said. Using Go Daddy for your state sites is a bad idea, I said. But no, they wouldn't listen.
21st century warfare is almost vegetarian (Score:2)
I have to admit, I prefer the kind of warfare, that (almost) does not kill anyone. Much as some of the enemies deserve killing...
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I'd still appreciate him targeting only me [wsj.com] — without also obliterating my house (with my family inside it) and the rest of the town.
But TFA (and my comment) is about seizure of domain-names and other Internet-only actions, so your bringing up drones seems off-topic.
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Irrelevant, numb scull.
Will be? It has already been done, numbcranium — many times. Look, what happened to BackPage.com [wired.com], for just one example. One example, that sure gave everybody else an incentive to obey the Swamp, which is openly threatening "punishing regulations" [washingtonpost.com] for those, who "fail to shutdown 'hate' speech" [senate.gov].
And yet, it is still a sign of progress, that the o
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Just about sparked off a war with Iran? They backed down like cowards and nobody heard a peep from them until Biden was sworn in.
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Under trump the world had a period of relative peace, particularly in the Middle East. He stopped the Obama bush wars. There is no denying that. But you guys enjoyed people getting blown up in Syria iraq and Iran and Afghanistan so you brought back one of the guys responsible for the continuation of those endless wars. You are getting what you wanted. Congratulations.
Yeah, you're right. War-mongering Biden enjoys "people getting blown up" so much that he's withdrawing from Afghanistan [washingtonpost.com] in September.
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...because it's a lost battle and no more profit to be had.
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What did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11 again?
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The withdrawal from Afghanistan was negotiated under the Trump administration, with a deadline of May 1.
Biden inherited that withdrawal agreement, his administration is responsible for missing the deadline, and is delaying until September.
From an outside perspective it looks like Trump was trying to end the war, while Biden is trying to prolong it and look for ways to get out of the withdrawal agreement he inherited from Trump.
Not missing Trump (Score:1)
Are we missing Trump yet?
We are absolutely not.
Don't forget that Trump used twitter to say bad things with no oversight.
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Not sugarcoat the truth? If the bastard told the truth twice in the same week it was totally by accident.
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He did the worst thing you could do: not sugar coat the truth.
Trump sugarcoated so much, I got diabetes just listening to him.
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Cyber-terrorism (Score:2)
I believe that in rational countries this would be referred to as 'cyber-terrorism', of course in the US it's just the way things are supposed to be.
Wot's the deal? (Score:2)
Compared with Vietnam, how integrated with the world is Iran in terms of travel and censoring outside news? I ask knowing little of either, but I want to compare the fates of our two blunders of the 1970s. My impression is that Vietnam is where China was in the early 90s, and that Iran is where it was in 1986 +internet.
Underneath this question is my wondering whether our hard-line stance re Iran, Cuba, and North Korea has made things worse, or if the unthawed relations (and abysmal human rights practices) c
Re: Wot's the deal? (Score:2)
You should visit Vietnam. It's nothing like you imagine it to be. Also fantastic coffee.
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Vietnam is a lot more modernized than you think. Everyone is walking around with smartphones and data plans, because the largest telecom in the country is operated by the Vietnam government / military. Then there are three other major telecoms that have competitive pricing and coverage. You can get a prepaid SIM with 30GB of LTE data transfer on it for $13 - $15 USD in basically any major airport in the country.
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Iran is two countries (Score:4, Informative)
There is the strong quite western middle class, mainly in the south and west, and the repressive mullahs in the north east. Unfortunately, the latter have the guns.
There have been elections of sorts, and at one point were relatively free and fair. But the last round was totally corrupted by the mullahs, with no liberal candidates allowed to stand.
When I was there in 1986 it was quite different from, say, Pakistan or eastern Turkey. For example, women dressed in tight jeans and makeup under an imposed scarf, not the ghost ladies of Pakistan. And it was concerning that many people would tell us how much they hated Komanei and look forward to the opening up of democracy. This was during the war with Iraq, in which we supported Iraq using poison gas against Iran.
It would appear that everything the USA has done since has been designed to support the mullahs against the liberals. Trump's recent rejection of the nuclear deal being an example. But that is mistaking gross ineptitude with conspiracy, I suspect.
Very sad. Iran should be a beacon of light in an otherwise repressive part of the world. The vast majority of the population understand democracy and want the mullahs gone. But the nullahs have the guns.
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Very sad. Iran should be a beacon of light in an otherwise repressive part of the world. The vast majority of the population understand democracy and want the mullahs gone. But the nullahs have the guns.
The majority of both Israelis and Palestinians do not support the actions of their ruling classes either, but they're not going hungry enough to reject them yet.
Same pretty much everywhere. People don't riot until they are hungry. Which is a shame, because it's easier to riot when you're well fed
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Nonsense.
Israel is democratic. There are free and fair elections, and the winners reflect the general view of the people. The Palestinians are more complex, they have had elections, but they are not repressed in the same way that the Iranian population is.
And Trump may not have got an exact majority, but he got pretty close, both elections. Almost half of Americans genuinely believe he is good for America.
In Iran, if a fair election was called, I doubt that 20% would vote for the mullahs. But the mullah
Big deal (Score:1)
How were they "seized" (Score:2)
Executioner Raisi Installed as Iran’s Presid (Score:2)
Ebrahim “The Butcher” Raisi sent some 5000 Iranian dissidents to their deaths [legalinsurrection.com] in the late 1980s.
Domains (Score:2)
As an Iranian (Score:2)
A "domain", not a "website". (Score:3)
What's been seized is their control of their ".com" domain name. The registry for ".com" is Verisign, in the U.S., and therefore subject to this sort of oversight. They've changed the DNS for their ".com" domain name to point to a US-government controlled "HA HA WE PWN YOU" (well, obviously in more formal language) web server, probably on one of Amazon's AWS systems. This is the internet equivalent of the cartoon joke about pointing a road sign at a cliff and watching cars obediently turn off the road and crash.
"Presstv.ir" (in Iran's country-code TLD/zone) is reportedly still accessible just fine, the website itself is apparently intact and operating without issue.
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The issue is the implication that any non-country-specific domain is subject to arbitrary seizure by the US government.
How far does this extend? .net and .org as well? Or what about all the fancy new ones, like .bank and .xxx?
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The issue is the implication that any non-country-specific domain is subject to arbitrary seizure by the US government.
Correct.
If the internet actually detects this censorship and routes around it, then the solution is going to be that all the current non-country TLDs get moved under .us from the perspective of the rest of the world, and they'll make their own replacement SecondLDs or not as they see fit.
This is really how the internet ought to work, there ought to not be any non-country domains. Having any one country in charge of TLDs is a fail so we should just get rid of them and let every country control their own spac
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Fake news about fake news (Score:3)
Given that everyone in the upper echelons of the Iranian government--especially the clerical council--is as honest as our 45th president, it is safe to ignore this bit of propaganda. This is nothing but a propaganda piece designed to get Iranians to feel threatened by America. This is what hardliners do every time in order to distract the people away from rampant corruption and incompetence on the part of the hardliners.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
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If you want to read about what actually happened rather than make shit up check out the post directly above yours.
https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
ABUSE of DNS!!! (Score:2)
This is why China is making is making it's own Internet.
It is abuse the Internet philosophy.
If all DNS root was at the Isle of Man, This would not have happened.
The US uses it's technical control of the Internet to enforce it's [ fill in blank with your moral word]
He who controls DNS rules the world!
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The Iranians may not like the mullahs, but what on Earth makes you think they'd support the imposition of a puppet government by a foreign power which has spent the last century destroying their economy?
We won't be going into Iran because if Biden orders to Joint Chiefs to do so he won't survive the week. After leaving Iraq with their tails between their legs they're not stupid enough to think that going into a country three times the size of Iraq, with twice the population, a fairly well equipped and trai
Just because we can (Score:1)
Doesn't mean we should. Do we treat Iran as a sovereign nation or as an enemy? Have we declared war? What if Iran took some of our newspapers offline?
This is a naked show of power, like a bully pushing somebody around. It's definitely not gonna win hearts and minds.