China Rejects Hacking Charges, Accuses US of Cyberspying (nbcnews.com) 56
China has rejected an accusation by Washington and its Western allies that Beijing is to blame for a hack of the Microsoft Exchange email system and complained Chinese entities are victims of damaging U.S. cyberattacks. From a report: A foreign ministry spokesman demanded Washington drop charges announced Monday against four Chinese nationals accused of working with the Ministry of State Security to try to steal U.S. trade secrets, technology and disease research. The announcement that the Biden administration and European allies formally blame Chinese government-linked hackers for ransomware attacks increased pressure over long-running complaints against Beijing but included no sanctions.
"The United States ganged up with its allies to make unwarranted accusations against Chinese cybersecurity," said the spokesman, Zhao Lijian. "This was made up out of thin air and confused right and wrong. It is purely a smear and suppression with political motives. China will never accept this," Zhao said, though he gave no indication of possible retaliation. China is a leader in cyberwarfare research along with the United States and Russia, but Beijing denies accusations that Chinese hackers steal trade secrets and technology. Security experts say the military and security ministry also sponsor hackers outside the government.
"The United States ganged up with its allies to make unwarranted accusations against Chinese cybersecurity," said the spokesman, Zhao Lijian. "This was made up out of thin air and confused right and wrong. It is purely a smear and suppression with political motives. China will never accept this," Zhao said, though he gave no indication of possible retaliation. China is a leader in cyberwarfare research along with the United States and Russia, but Beijing denies accusations that Chinese hackers steal trade secrets and technology. Security experts say the military and security ministry also sponsor hackers outside the government.
Top spying country blame other top spying country (Score:5, Insightful)
Conflating two different things (Score:4, Insightful)
The US government directly employs top intelligence experts to gather intelligence on the Chinese government. There aren't very many of them, they are good at what they do.
China and Russia sponsor criminal gangs to indiscriminately attack any and all businesses and organizations in the US with ransomware and other malware.
The US spies on the Chinese government, to gather information on government actions and plans.
China attacks US businesses, schools, hospitals, etc, to do damage to civilian institutions.
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Are you seriously going to pretend that US intelligence dragnet isn't spying on civilian institutions in other countries?
In post Snowden age?
Really?
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Congratulations, you noticed the distinction between spying vs attacking.
And yeah, the NSA doesn't *care* what kind of pizza you order, or how many students signed up for calculus class at Shanghai university. Of course they also don't care if they accidentally record that information, while they are looking to see what Beijing is up to.
The dragnet isn't because they give a damn about your interest in Pokemon. It's just that they don't care if they happen to pick up your Pokemon searches while they are look
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Ministry of State Security doesn't care what kind of pizza you order either. But like NSA, they almost certainly have some kind of a dragnet, though almost certainly to a much lesser extent due to difference in capabilities more so than desire.
As for attacking, in the world where the single biggest man made non nuclear explosion has been a result of a cyber attack by US, and considering Snowden's revelations on attacks on foreign entities, are you really sure this is the hill you want to die on?
Because you'
WTH are you talking about? (Score:2)
> in the world where the single biggest man made non nuclear explosion has been a result of a cyber attack by US
Brescia was caused by US cyber activity? I didn't know the US existed then. Or cyber.
Or are you talking about Agios Ioannis Church?
Maybe you're talking about Flood Rock? Or the Dupont powder mill? The Princess Irene?
I'm pretty sure Black Tom was Germany. Halifax? Halifax has been called the largest non-nuclear explosion. Of course that's neither US nor cyber.
Smederevo Fortress was Germans aga
Re: Conflating two different things (Score:1)
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Because the US escalated it to an economic war. North Korea and Iran, for example, are under heavy sanctions and stealing money from US companies is a source of income for them. It's asymmetric, NK and Iran placing sanctions on the US achieves nothing so they turn to hacking.
That's completely normal, by the way. When the US put tariffs on EU products the EU responded likewise, but only because the EU is big enough to inflict and equal amount of pain in retaliation.
China isn't really into the ransomware stuf
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Not every country, but the countries of interest have some people who are quite good yes. The countries of interest all have spies.
What not every country has is this - an entire industry of attacking businesses, schools, and hospitals with ransomware and other malware.
What you seem to be saying is "the US looks at other governments, therefore it's cool for China and Russia to attack US companies".
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The push comes from China itself, where mainstream dogma that you must be indoctrinated into to get into the party is anti Western Marxist-Leninist dogma with Chinese characteristics (specifically Maoism and Xi Jingping Thought).
Public and open (to Westerners) expressions of this thought model today can be seen in things like their current mainstream diplomat behavioural model often called "Wolf Warriors" for their extreme belligerence to everything Western.
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Who said they're not allowed their own lies?
All I said is that I reserve the same right to mock the liars and point out they're scumbaggery regardless of their eye shapes or skin colour. Especially when their specific kind of scumbaggery comes with a death toll that makes nazis look like peaceful human beings.
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And yet so far China's way of "fighting West's domination of everything" is mostly about enslaving, raping and dominating those around it. Mongols, Uiguirs, Vietnamese, North Koreans, Philipinos, Thai...
In ways that "evil West" spend massive amount of human lives and treasure to prevent from occurring again on their side of the planet.
Funny that.
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And here we can see the incoherent nonsense come out that arguments are over. Can you imagine blaming things like Syria or current problems in Venezuela on US?
And yet, there are people insane enough to do so.
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America has weather machine controlling dry weather, causing regional crop failures and famines. Got it.
Do they also have mind control satellites? Should I start wearing my tin foil hat?
Hint: if "agitation for regime change" was enough to start wars, there would not be a single nation that wasn't in a state of civil war.
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Considering how well you understood the situation in Syria, I think it's been well established at this point that you as a source for geopolitical information is indeed somewhere between InfoWars and the village idiot wearing the tinfoil hat. Hence the line of questioning to establish where on the spectrum you fall.
It's also infinitely hilarious to me that witless but highly opinionated folks like yourself always project caricature of "people I hate" on those that disagree with them while demonstrating comm
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Thank you for agreeing with me on the latter point I made!
Re: Trustworthy (Score:2)
There is a push to see China as an enemy of the traditional Western countries, but this is just the desperate desire for an enemy promoted by outdated ideologues.
I spotted the lying shill - do I get a prize??
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Meh ... (Score:2)
China Rejects Hacking Charges ...
Blah, blah, ... usual blurb, ... blah, blah ...
Accuses US of Cyberspying.
Well, it's about damn time the US finally grew a spine!
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I'm sure the US does military-related spying like mad. The real issue of contention is non-military industrial spying. It's not the sort of thing the US gov't normally bothers with, based on historical record*, although individual US private firms probably do it all the time.
* Usually shenanigans eventually come out, like testing radiation on minorities, and the almost-humorous attempts to sneak rigged cigars to Fidel.
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Okay, but that's a different sin. I know of no case of the US gov't involved in non-military-related industrial espionage.
However, I suppose it's possible for military-related industrial secrets to leak into the private sector. But the Chinese gov't has a history of intentionally spying on civilian tech.
Re: Meh ... (Score:1)
The real issue of contention is non-military industrial spying. It's not the sort of thing the US gov't normally bothers with, based on historical record*, although individual US private firms probably do it all the time.
You don't know this but considering that the 'Intelligence World' is heavily involved in investment banking, I'd say it's baseless speculation that borders on bullshit.
Accuse the other side of what you are guilty (Score:2, Interesting)
The US people may be a bit less indignant if there were proof of US hacking or ransomwaring Chinese assets.
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Make a good AI bot that converts any news story into porn-style and you could be jizzing money out your wazoo.
Arguably not news (Score:2)
Their response was almost exactly as I predicted, a boilerplate of their typical denial pattern.
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"Proof: We hacked your hackers and found the following..."
The worst part is (Score:2)
The worst part is that ultimately, Chinese have a point. US has by far the best cybersecurity capabilities today. And had for decades. Used for everything from targeted attacks a la stuxnet and pipeline explosion in USSR that is currently the biggest man made (non volcanic) non-nuclear explosion to have ever occurred. To dragnet surveillance of basically everyone that we saw in Snowden's revelations. And everything in between.
What US does have that China does not is ability to moderate it's actions in relat
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You can split hairs as much as you want. I would welcome you to try arguing the actual points instead.
Water is wet? (Score:1)