Cook, Pichai Join CEOs Urging Congress Pass Path to Citizenship (bloomberg.com) 172
More than 90 chief executive officers, including those at Apple, Amazon and Facebook on Thursday urged Congress to pass a law offering a citizenship path to young immigrants brought illegally to the U.S. as children. From a report: In a letter to President Joe Biden and congressional leaders, the executives said thousands of the immigrants -- known as Dreamers -- are "valued employees at our companies," but a federal judge's recent ruling against a program protecting them "throws into chaos" their ability to live and work legally in the U.S. "Securing a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers not only is the right thing to do, but is a huge economic benefit to the United States," the CEOs wrote in the letter. "The latest court ruling makes it all the more urgent that Congress take up and pass a legislative solution right away." The letter seeks to increase pressure on Republicans in Congress who are likely to oppose Democrats' efforts to pass the measure allowing for legal status for as many as 8 million undocumented immigrants.
Priorities? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's great that they want to help the less fortunate, but couldn't they start by helping their fellow Americans first? I mean, it's not like we don't have enough problems of our own already....
Re:Priorities? (Score:5, Insightful)
The legislature can do many things at once if it could actually focus itself for any length of time. That said the issue of immigration reform, pathway to citizenship and the Dreamers has been an ongoing issue for years now, I recall it going back to the Clinton admin even and it still seems like the can gets kicked down the road every Congressional session. Things were so close in 2013 with the Gang of Eight immigration bill that actually made it through the Senate before Boehner and the Republican House left it to wither. Then Trump gets elected and immigration reform takes two steps backwards.
Americans have gotten quite a lot of help with the Rescue Plan, the Child Tax Credit that just went into effect (low key one of the largest social safety net programs to pass in our lifetimes, almost an entire UBI for families) and they could get more if the infrastructure plan could get off the ground.
As much as both parties do in fact suck it's become plainly clear that the Tea Party movement, followed by the Trump movement with the Machiavellian leadership under McConnel has broken the Republicans into a purely reactionary force unwilling to do anything because they do not believe in anything anymore. It is pure obstruction and they apparently will take the opposite position of anything their base perceives as "liberal" or "socialist" no matter how much it might help them or economic sense it makes.
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We shouldn't do this until we secure the border.
We did this already with Regan.
I would like to see some other holier than now country absorb 10 million immigrants.
Re: Priorities? (Score:5, Insightful)
People who grew up here are my fellow Americans. It's the law that fails to recognize what is obvious to the rest of us.
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People who grew up here are my fellow Americans. It's the law that fails to recognize what is obvious to the rest of us.
Yes but given the recent influx of unaccompanied minors (14,500 in custody as of June) [reuters.com] there should be an effort toward being decent to 'Dreamers' while discouraging parents from shoving their children across the border alone.
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Our current policies and the recent influx doesn't really relate to people who came here 10-20 years ago. I believe the situation that lead to people moving here has changed over the years. I would treat these as separate issues rather than trying to solve everything with a single piece of legislation.
In the past there has been a ebb and flow to the arrival and departure of illegal immigrants. It's primarily economic and tracks closer to differences in exchange rate and inflation between USD and MXN (Mexica
Re: Priorities? (Score:4, Insightful)
Imagine how desperate someone would have to be to send their child alone.
Seems like there is an opportunity there to help and resolve several problems at once.
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Imagine how desperate someone would have to be to send their child alone.
My great grandmother dropped her children off at an orphanage. She couldn't feed my grandfather and great uncle. Parents will make heart wrenching choices if backed into a corner.
America doesn't have to look very far back to remember a time when we had it tough. When we had to make hard choices. But somehow we forget all of that when we are quick to judge parents in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and other places in central and South America.
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Why would someone abduct a child and send them to the US?
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Those crossing the border now should be given refugee status, as that is what hte vast majority of them are. The Trump administration refused to believe the refugee story and put in many absurd hurdles in their way.
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You mean socialism? That’s a filthy word for conservatives.
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Only when it happens to other people. They love it when it happens to them and their buddies. Wall St. was bailed out and military funding increased, while everyone else got to eat Rugged Individualism (TM) and Capitalism (TM)
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Wall Street typically votes Democrat.
I'll give you the military one, though
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You sure about that. Wall Street is very much traditionally fiscal conservatives, through and through. Lately though I agree that the Republicans have dumped their fiscal conservative ideals and gone knee-deep-and-head-first into hard core social conservatism, leaving me baffled why the Republican party hasn't split apart, But as for Wall Street, it's solidly classical conservative in most of its media, even if it's not neo-conservative.
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To really freak out the neo cons, bring up the fact that the early Christian church was founded upon principles that are very socialistic, communal, plenty of welfare, etc. Oh, ya, and Christ refused to get into politics either, with his "Render under Caesar" saying deflecting those who were trying to goad him into an anti-tax stance.
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It's great that they want to help the less fortunate, but couldn't they start by helping their fellow Americans first? I mean, it's not like we don't have enough problems of our own already....
That's the beauty of our country. You are free, free frok dictatoship, from corruption, from having to get permission to do anything, often requiring unofficial "payments".
When was the last time you took an additional $500 down to the DMV so you didn't have to wait years for a driver's license? Ask people in countries in South America, Africa, or Asia how that goes.
So concern about "helping our own citizens first" is, and listen to this carefully, a lucky first world problem, much like obesity is our main
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When was the last time you took an additional $500 down to the DMV so you didn't have to wait years for a driver's license?
Isn't there a TSA plan were you can buy a pass to forgo much of their security theater?
Bribery is just formalized in the US so we don't call it corruption.
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To be fair, most of the obesity is a problem in the US that arises is likely more from poverty than from wealth. The poverty leads to buying the cheapest food which is the most unhealthy food as well.
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Immigrants are a net gain for the economy, look it up. So if you want to help Americans, let the Dreamers stay. Or you could be mean and tell them they must go to countries they have never set foot in.
When in doubt, ask what Jesus would do? Wanna bet on the answer?
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A lot of evangelical churches nail their tables down for this reason. (I'm joking, just joking, ow, put that whip away!)
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Who do you think these people are? How else should we help our fellow Americans become citizens?
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It's great that they want to help the less fortunate, but couldn't they start by helping their fellow Americans first? I mean, it's not like we don't have enough problems of our own already....
I'm pretty sure we can chew gum and walk at the same time. Plus, the very same politicians who have been blocking the DREAM Act have voted for things that have made the life of less fortunate Americans a lot more miserable. And the party who has been pushing for the DREAM Act has also been trying to pass things that actually help people, including less fortunate Americans.
In essence, one political group can chew gum and walk at the same time. The other one does not, and actually refuses to do so because f
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They ARE our fellow Americans. They grew up here, possibly next door to many of us. Where someone was born really has such meaningless value these days.
Anyone in America who is not a native American had ancestors who arrived "illegally" and without permission of the current residents.
Why not follow immigration path? (Score:5, Interesting)
While the dreamers are in illegal state, as a legal immigrant I feel giving them Citizenship status is not the right approach. There is the permanent residence (aka green card) way prior to citizenship, which grants about all the same benefits from any business perspective - except restrictions for government jobs. Then let the dreamers follow the process as any legal immigrant would, which works today.
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The principal is that they were brought to the US as children, they didn't come by choice, so it isn't fair to make them pursue citizenship (which is a burden). Essentially since they were not the ones who decided to immigrate, they should not be held accountable for that decision.
Remember that their choice is:
1. Pursue citizenship, which is a burden.
2. Be a 2nd class citizen forever.
3. Try to emigrate to a country they have few ties to and may not have been to since they were babies.
The other thing to say
Re:Why not follow immigration path? (Score:4, Insightful)
How fair is it to let these illegals jump the line in front of others who followed the law and have been waiting years? There is no "fair" solution. They have to go back and immigrate legally.
Re:Why not follow immigration path? (Score:5, Insightful)
We COULD consider making the legal process less onerous and expensive, allowing far more people to legally emigrate.
But that's also unacceptable, for reasons that totally aren't motivated by racism and xenophobia.
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No we can't. Billions of people would come here if they could. Our system cannot handle or absorb the numbers coming now much less all those who want to.
Left unspoken is why you feel we need all these unskilled immigrants. The truth is the US population is shrinking when an ever increasing number is required to theoretically pay for all the entitlements you guys have voted for yourselves that someone else has to pay for.
And fuck you for playing the tired race card when your position cannot withstand any s
Re:Why not follow immigration path? (Score:4, Insightful)
With a population of 7.9 billion, the statement "billions would come" is a bit hyperbolic. Would more come? Certainly. Is that a bad thing? No. Should those in the country now be granted citizenship if they haven't comitted any felonies? Yes. Should they jump ahead? No. But they should be expedited through along with the current backlog without any prejudice because they came here without choice in the first place. The entire immigration process nees to be made easier.
For entirely rational reasons - to them - U.S. citizens are delaying marriage, having their first children later in life on average, and are having fewer children. We're close to the tipping point where we will find ourselves like Japan with too few young to support the old. We need either to have more children of our own or to welcome immigrants or both.
As far as the "unskilled" nonsense we hear about, the Dreamers grew up in our country. They have as reasonable a chance of being skilled via public education as any current citizen. Give them a break. Give their parents a break. Give their relatives a break. It's a big country. More tax paying citizens is not a bad thing. More retail is not a bad thing (especially since it is at the heart of our economy anymore since so much is now built overseas). More home building isn't a bad thing. Nobody is going to come here to die of starvation if they are making it in their own country unless they're being persecuted in which case they have a path to citizenship already. They're going to work and be productive members of society. The cost to get here is too high (not only financial but leaving family and relatives behind) without a plan to make it once you get here. We do need to make clear just what the financial burdens of living in the U.S. are though so people are well informed. People look all too often at the high pay of living someplace without considering fully the high costs associated with it. That is also true of people who are already citizens.
All of our ancestors came here as we were as well. They either succeeded or failed. When our particular group came over, we were likely different than those around us. But we were all immigrants if you go back far enough - even if you're part of the group that came over the Bering Strait a long, long time ago. Embrace different. If you think our culture is better than that of some immigrant group, then show the new immigrants how good you are and welcome them in so they will adapt to our culture instead of isolating to their own. If you hope they'll vote Democratic, or Republican, or LIbertarian, or whatever, then run decent candidates that they'll want to vote for. You might even be surprised to find existing Americans crossing party lines to vote for someone decent.
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Personally and directly - none. As a taxpayer and as a person who pays for insurance of various sorts - probably a tiny fraction of one illegal immigrant - same as you unless you make more than average but not enough to shelter everything from taxes or are uninsured yourself. And I'll willingly go on paying a tiny bit more in taxes for the social services that go to that illegal immigrant and a tiny bit more for insurance premiums to provide for those who can't pay medical bills for themselves because of th
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Left unspoken is why you feel we need all these unskilled immigrants
It's not about filling a need. A lot of these people just want open borders and see this issue as a means to drive the wedge. Were it up to the "no one is illegal" crowd there would be no deportations at all.
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Re: Why not follow immigration path? (Score:2)
As compelling an argument as âoeIf you like taxes so much, why arenâ(TM)t you donating to the IRS?â If thatâ(TM)s all youâ(TM)ve got left, then Iâ(TM)m not inclined to waste another second explaining how your arguments are factually wrong.
If youâ(TM)re so concerned about the U.S. running out of room, maybe we can swap you with an unskilled migrant laborer. I guarantee theyâ(TM)re willing to work a hell of a lot harder than you are.
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Wrong again. I assume you're lying.
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Is 3 million people a year too few to you? Increasing our numbers by 1%/year just through legal immigration is too little? What is your magic number?
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There's no "too few" about it. Just pointing out the idea that we can't accommodate migrants, especially when we want to create an easier path to citizenship (read: then they pay more in taxes), is patently false.
We could also reduce the flow of migrants by allocating resources to help combat the conditions in migrants' home countries that compel them to flee, but that's also unacceptable, for the same reasons.
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We COULD consider making the legal process less onerous and expensive, allowing far more people to legally emigrate.
But that's also unacceptable, for reasons that totally aren't motivated by racism and xenophobia.
It matters not in the least whether they're motivated by racism and xenophobia. It's our country, and we have the right to decide who to let in for any damned reason we want to. You liking the reasons isn't a necessary part of the process.
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How fair is it to let these illegals jump the line in front of others who followed the law and have been waiting years? There is no "fair" solution. They have to go back and immigrate legally.
To go back means to go back the way Irish and Italians migrated here, by simply bringing their asses here and that was it. These new illegals are doing the same thing Italians and Irish did... except that now it is "illegal."
Mind you, sure we need legal immigration, and we cannot simply open borders just like that. But don't just talk about "let's go back to how things were". You are being mendacious.
Moreover, those coming here now are fleeing their countries which WE set up on fire (do yourself a favor
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On the other hand giving easy citizenship to kids brought illegally by their parents could also have side effects, like encouraging parents to risk everything to bring their children to the US illegally in order to give them an easy way to citizenship later on. So while the kids didn't make that decision, their parents did.
And there is no denying that after a certain portion of his life, a kid who was raised in the US is definitely american in his mind, and it is brutal to send kids back to their home coun
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Also my feeling, but I can also see how extreme immigration can be challenging to absorb.
You don't want thousands of immigrants to arrive in the country with no chance to ever get employed and have no other choice to survive but do illegal activities. And that's what immigrations opponents fear. Is that fear real? Hard to say. But it is very clear that illegal activities (drugs, theft, ...) have a much higher occurrence among poor communities, where employment is low because levels of education is low and
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Currently with this "hard" system of immigration, we allow 3 million people a year to become citizens. That is 1% of our total population. The people who try to jump the line and enter the country illegally currently is about 1 million this year (we are half way through, and it is high this year). Why do these 1 million deserve to jump the line that is 2 years long, so 6 million people long, because they want to?
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People applying for visas from some countries are facing a 27 year wait before they even start processing them. If there was actually a legal route you might have a point about people not using it.
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As a principle its not fair to reward their parents criminal actions!
They ONLY option afforded to them should be (3) to prevent or at least discourage further abuse. A clear message should be enter the US illegally and you will not profit by it!
Finally we need to just discard the notion these people have any rights at all. That should not be part of the discussion. The preamble reads 'to ourselves and our posterity' that should inform the reading of the rest of the document. Non-citizens should not even
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And as a principle, it's unjust to punish the children for their parent's criminal actions!
That wouldn't be good for tourism!
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An easy path to citizenship for children is an incentive for parents to risk the lives of their children by paying criminals large sums of money and then sending the kids across without anyone who cares about them in attendance. These kids die by drowning, they die by dehydration, they die by violence, they die in vehicle crashes. Many of those that survive are exploited by the partners of the people who took the life savings of the parents. The lax state of security at the border, along with lenient approa
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Will it should have gone without saying that I also think there should be more safe routes to immigrate to the US.
Especially for people affected by the War on Drugs or sanctions.
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The principal is that they were brought to the US as children, they didn't come by choice, so it isn't fair to make them pursue citizenship (which is a burden).
Therefore, we didn't admit them by choice, and demanding we grant them citizenship based on the fact that their here isn't just unfair to us, it's also downright insulting.
That your parents chose to commit a crime does not create any obligations on our part to you at all. If your immigration status is causing you a problem, take it up with your parents, who created the problem.
Your sad story is your problem to solve, not ours.
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Don't you have any compassion at all for those people?
Don't you think they could contribute something?
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Men died so that British opinions had no legal authority on this side of the pond
And you think your opinion has legal authority?
Re: Why not follow immigration path? (Score:2)
When it's in the form of a vote at the ballot box, yes it does.
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When it's in the form of a vote at the ballot box, yes it does.
Wow. That's the most optimistic thing I've ever read here. And one of the most factually incorrect ones too.
Re: Why not follow immigration path? (Score:2)
I make it a point to confine my expressions of opinion about British politics to my opinions, not to telling y'all how to run your country.
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Feel free to though.
I mean I get being offended by certain opinions, but being offended just because someone has an opinion is a bit much.
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Because they are not allowed to. The law will not allow them to pursue any type of citizenship without leaving the country first. Obviously, for people who have been here since a young age and have never known anything else, this is a non-starter. The "path to citizenship" is basically allowing them to pursue citizenship without having to leave the country.
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The "path to citizenship" is basically allowing them to pursue citizenship without having to leave the country.
Ah; got ya'.
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If you want to judge people based on character
Thank you for your applicable story and perspective. But I only want to judge someone based on the laws, that were in place for good reasons.
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Second, you seem to think the pathway is easy when it is skill at a level most people just don't have.
I didn't say it was easy. I personally know three people who have done this, while living here. Anything worth getting isn't easy, and people respect what they must earn.
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Isn't that the same thing as a path to citizenship? I don't think the proposal was to immediately grand them citizenship so much as a permanent legal status that could eventually become citizenship.
Also, I wouldn't say the current path for legal immigration "works." I've had friends go through the process, and it's an absolute hot mess. Applications can get delayed for years due to minor paperwork errors or mix-ups on the part of the government. Your country of origin can have an enormous impact on how long
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While the dreamers are in illegal state, as a legal immigrant I feel giving them Citizenship status is not the right approach. There is the permanent residence (aka green card) way prior to citizenship, which grants about all the same benefits from any business perspective - except restrictions for government jobs. Then let the dreamers follow the process as any legal immigrant would, which works today.
If it "works today", then perhaps you can explain why we have SO many illegal immigrants that politics demands we title them as "undocumented", along with companies insisting they are allowed to stay in order to abuse and pay sub-citizen rates.
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While the dreamers are in illegal state, as a legal immigrant I feel giving them Citizenship status is not the right approach. There is the permanent residence (aka green card) way prior to citizenship, which grants about all the same benefits from any business perspective - except restrictions for government jobs. Then let the dreamers follow the process as any legal immigrant would, which works today.
People that have been here since they were children are no different from children born here, why should they be treated as second class citizens because of paperwork? I don't want to say they're "more American" because that's stupid, but they have been steeped in American culture and norms from a young age. The normal process for citizenship is absolutely redundant given that.
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My wife was in the US for 10 years prior to us meeting on school then work visas. She was in the green card lottery for 6 years and not once won. She didn't get permanent residency until 2 years after we were married. So if your solution is to let them wait it out and hope they get lucky, then I'd have to disagree. If we can grant all of them
Put your money where your mouth is (Score:2)
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Sure, let's just get corporations to grant citizenship. Wut?
Translation (Score:4, Insightful)
We need cheap labor. If we can't put pressure on existing workers with people who'd work for pennies, how do you expect us to retain our bonus packages?
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Apple and Google have very good pay packages. They could easily get cheaper labour, they could easily offshore it, but they don't because they recognize the value in employing quality people who are invested in the company and feel rewarded for their work.
If they wanted cheap labour they could get it.
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The point is that a larger labor pool also means more people with the required skill set. So unless you're really someone with a one-of-a-kind qualification, more people will mean that, simply by the law of supply and demand, the price for your labour will come down.
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I'd have thought the bottleneck would have been universities, but okay... Given that they are currently illegal immigrants I doubt that they will have much of an effect on the skilled labour pool, at least not for decades.
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Illegal doesn't mean unskilled. We've had illegal immigrants here that have a doctorate in some areas, and they're now working as day labourer basically because they can't do anything else legally.
Which hurts in more than one way because if there's one thing we need direly it's medical professionals. Like any country.
But hey, at least the refugee camps have their own medical facilities. Which leads to the weird situation that in the average refugee camp they have more medical professsionals per person there
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Good friggin lord...
Seriously, you gotta stop reading into stuff people write what your personal narrative makes you want to read and start reading what is actually there.
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
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I don't see them voting to give their H1B indentured servants full citizenship.
No translation required (Score:2)
We need cheap labor. If we can't put pressure on existing workers with people who'd work for pennies, how do you expect us to retain our bonus packages?
Read TFA: the Dreamers are existing workers. The CEOs aren't lobbying for more H1B visas, they just don't want existing employees to be booted.
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Mod Up, that is the unsavory truth
No, it isn't. That's just cheap talk.
The USA is different (Score:5, Insightful)
'valued employees at our companies' (Score:2)
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America second! (Score:2)
Nah, that's too blunt, let's rephrase that.
America First!, coz we've learned from our history that anyone is welcome!
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As a country that is, coz let's be frank, it really wasn't your country to begin with.
Nah, that's too blunt, let's rephrase that.
America First!, coz we've learned from our history that anyone is welcome!
Nobodies country was their country to begin with. It's their country now though.
Virtue signaling (Score:2)
Laws that aren't enforced or changed on a whim (Score:2)
Aren't real laws and erode the respect for and/or moral authority of othet laws.
We need to encourage people to believe and live like we're a society of laws that apply to all. Making exceptions is contrary ot that.
Impossible Situation (Score:2)
Parents brought these individuals here illegally with the hope that one day the US would grant amnesty. Parents naturally want to provide a better life for their children, so amnesty for the Dreamers would be a great incentive for more illegal immigrants. We cannot reward parents for breaking our laws. OTOH, Dreamers were minors and did not make the choice to enter illegally. Can we punish children for the choices of their parents?
It took 11 months for my wife's fiancee visa to be approved. It took almost
Does nothing to prevent future illegals (Score:4)
I'm on board with the proposal, but I want it tied to border security.
Open borders plus proposals like this just invite more people to violate the borders
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"Open borders plus proposals like this just invite more people to violate the borders"
Actual open borders reduce violations of the borders. Then again, no one is proposing actual open borders.
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"Open borders plus proposals like this just invite more people to violate the borders"
Actual open borders reduce violations of the borders. Then again, no one is proposing actual open borders.
I'm familiar with this logic
Without police there will be no crime
Without hospitals there will be no sick people
And so on
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"Without police there will be no crime
Without hospitals there will be no sick people"
Your problem is that both of these are false.
But not only is it possible that open borders reduce violations of the borders, the US actually used to be that way.
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"Without police there will be no crime
Without hospitals there will be no sick people"
Your problem is that both of these are false.
But not only is it possible that open borders reduce violations of the borders, the US actually used to be that way.
The "defund the police" advocates make that assertion - eliminating the police will reduce crime.
It's as idiotic as saying "eliminating hospitals will reduce illness".
And as idiotic as saying "open borders reduces violations of borders"
You can't project how the US was a hundred years ago into today. My father waited years to come into the country post WW2, and he needed a sponsor to verify he would not be a burden on the state. Immigrants were expected to assimilate and to work, not be accommodated and su
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Then again, no one is proposing actual open borders.
Where have you been the last four years?
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"Where have you been the last four years?"
Paying attention.
Bill O'Reilly accidentally making a case for open borders when he talks about how his ancestors came to the US legally doesn't really count.
Close the border, let the wage markets work (Score:5, Insightful)
These are billionaire psychopathic CEOs talking that just want to squeeze workers to death and suppress wages to enrich themselves more. The fact is that importing more cheap labor into the country increases poverty for the American citizen by downward depressing wages. Let the domestic free market work and wages will go up, rather than distorting it with illegal aliens from the third world, which also ends up leading to more fiscal problems with increasing welfare expenditures the taxpayer has to pay for on top of the downward wage depression.
When you reward something, you get more of it. There is massive criminality on the southern border. There are cartels and human trafficking, people across the border, and it can be a very lucrative business for cartels. Its as if the democratic party loves it and is in the pocket of it, because they do everything they can to enable this activity. When you do something like give amnesty, you are actually causing more of the problem of children and slaves being trafficked across the border. There is massive criminality and savagery there of children being basically used for labor and being trafficked alone across the border and like horrendous things and the more you reward this the more its going to happen. So to protect the safety and well being of people what really needs to done is you deport them immediately when they cross the border. You stop rewarding them, and then you shut down the cartels who can't do this any more. When you give amnesty, you are basically giving money to the cartels and allowing them to continue to profit off of this by enabling the criminal activity. When you deport all illegals, you put the cartels out of business and the trafficking the children and drugs being smuggled across, stops. If people cannot be rewarded for it, they won't try, instead, they will stay home and make their own countries better places to live, rather than take the easy way, which actually doesnt solve anything. And that brings us to what needs to happen is improving the conditions in the countries they come from and that starts with stopping the illegal aliens and crossings so that people have an incentive to stay in their own country and make it better.
Critical to that is the wall. The wall is misunderstood. Its not an impenetrable barrier, instead, its designed as a tool for border control because a wall makes crossing slower. Of course anyone can climb it, thats the point, they have to climb it, which slows them down, puts them in a more vulnerable position, which gives border control time to get to the scene, and makes it easier to catch illegals as they come down the wall. Part of the wall is physical and part electronic to detect crossings as they happen to allow border patrol to get to that area.
We need to stop all immigration and instead we need to train Americans for the new STEM jobs of the future. We don't need cheap labor any more because the low wage jobs will be taken over by robots. As this happens more Americans will move into better paying jobs and the low wage jobs will be automated. The result will be crash in poverty rates as fewer and fewer Americans live in poverty and a great improvement in the overall living conditions. This is already happening with the labor shortages for low wage jobs. We should just let these labor shortages play out as it will eventually lead to automation of these jobs, most of these jobs were low wage jobs anyway and the cause of that shortage is people moving into better paying jobs. We should just let automation happen, rather than trying to prop up old slave wage labor patterns by importing foreign aliens from the third world.
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Ok, let the market work then, the global market. Oh, I get it, you're a closet socialist, aren't you? Fear of competition seems to be driving your agenda. Why didn't your own ancestors stay in their country and make it work?
Republian cities (Score:2)
Well better than drinking poisoned water, power outages, 10k power bills, and a surging illness hitting people where there is a freely available vaccine for them to take to help protect them and others. Antiquated laws that protect violent behavior, while punishing the victim.
Yea you guys are not perfect as well. I am sorry that you news doesn't explain that to you.
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All of that sounds like CA (except the laws comment, which I am not even sure what you were trying to refer to).
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These people vote democratic, because the republicans are actively trying to hold them back, and keep them at a disadvantage. In terms of immigration policy just before 2008 Republicans were the group urging more immigration, as well more access to become citizens. While the Democrats were more isolationist and basically trying to keep people away.
Hispanic groups (a high percentage of immigration into the United States) were actually much more likely to vote republican, because that group was the one mor
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These people vote democratic, because the republicans are actively trying to hold them back
No. They are not citizens and don't vote.
Once they become citizens, they will be concerned about their own interests, not the interests of the next wave of immigrants, just as the previous wave doesn't care about them.
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1. Yes I know that non-citizens don't vote, but the statement was republicans don't want to make them citizens because they won't vote republican.
2. For a lot of people their interests includes the well being of their families, friends and their community. So for a Dreamer who had became a Citizen, may factor in should my Father be locked away and shipped back to a country that was trying to kill him as a bit more important than, a 1% cut in their federal income tax.
Re:Republicans want the law obeyed (Score:2, Informative)
Path to citizenship is called legal immigration. Why should the US reward criminal trespassers over the people that are using the lawful immigration process?
My $0.02 is that people brought here as children should be given a path. As adults, get in line and obey the law.
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Came here to say exactly the same thing. The children didn't do anything wrong, and if they've been conducting themselves as positive contributing members of society, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be given a pathway. For adults, pathways already exist for legal migration (whether that be for asylum or skilled labour reasons), and one shouldn't be rewarded for taking matters into their own hands after they've failed to gain entry this way for whatever reason.
No need for mind reading (Score:2)
Clearly you didn't read TFA, or even the summary.
First, this isn't a "pair of tax-avoiders", it's a group of 90 CEOs.
Second, tax policy isn't immigration.
Finally, your assumption of the motivations of this group is just mind reading, and is wrong. The group's letter is asking for a path to citizenship for Dreamers, who are already employees of their companies. This isn't "cheap labor from abroad", these are people who are already in the US. Their motivation doesn't need to be "altruistic" for the path to ci