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Torvalds: GPLv2 'A Big Part' of Why Linux Spread, Companies Getting Involved 'Hugely Important' (zdnet.com) 144

Five years ago Linus Torvalds commemorated Linux's 25th anniversary in an interview with ZDNet's Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols. Now that Linux is celebrating its 30th birthday, Vaughan-Nichols interviewed Torvalds again, who makes an important philosophical point: Trying to look at the bigger picture, Torvalds now thinks the period in early 1992 — when Linux switched to using the Gnu Public License version 2 (GPLv2) — was especially important. He recalls, "It wasn't the original license, but I'm convinced it's a big part of why Linux became so widespread. Not everybody loves the GPL, and I've had my own issues with the FSF [Free Software Foundation], but I do think the GPLv2 has been a huge deal, and people shouldn't dismiss the licensing issues."

He adds:

"I think the companies getting involved has been hugely important — and that may sound so obvious as to be trite and stupid, but some corners of the open-source community have been fairly negative to any commercial involvement."

Torvalds points out that from its earliest days Linux has experienced "fairly continual" interest from major companies.

The interview also revisits Linux's version control systems and the name Torvalds had originally chosen for the operating system back in 1991. ("Freax," for "Free Unix.") But 10 years ago, the same reporter got a surprise when he'd asked Torvalds where he thought Linux would be on its 40th birthday. Torvalds' answer?

"Bah. I don't plan that far ahead. I can barely keep my calendar for the next week in mind. I really have no idea."

So this week Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols instead asked Torvalds how he's envisioning his own future: Looking ahead, Torvalds sees himself keeping on. "I'm 51 years young, I enjoy what I'm doing. What would I do if I didn't do Linux? Puttering around in the garden? Not bloody likely.
Slashdot reader juul_advocate shares some context. Torvalds was also contacted by IT Wire to get his thoughts on the 30th birthday of Linux. "There's literally a few people who are still active and around that got involved in '91..." Torvalds told them: "I like having been around for that long, and it's also nice how many other people have actually been around for almost that long...

"But I just don't have anything new to say about it, I'm afraid. And while today is an anniversary date, it's not even the only one. This was the anniversary of the first public announcement, but it wasn't actually the actual first code drop. That came later — 17 September.

"And even that second anniversary isn't the 'last' anniversary, because the Linux 0.01 code drop on 17 September was only privately announced to people who had shown some interest from the first announcement.

"So the first actually public and real *announced* code drop was 5 October 1991, which is when 0.02 was dropped. So I actually have three anniversaries, and they are all equally valid in my mind."

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Torvalds: GPLv2 'A Big Part' of Why Linux Spread, Companies Getting Involved 'Hugely Important'

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  • I worked at Data General in the 90s. We had recently gotten Sun workstations for schematic entry, and they were pretty much just dropped on our desks. No training, and we were each responsible for management of our own systems, which were connected directly to The Internet (it was a kinder, gentler place then...at least until Canter & Siegel sent the first spam).

    Having a PC at home, and having grown somewhat attached to Unix, I wondered if there was something like it for the PC. We were using Xenix for

    • Different story than yours (DECUnix->IBM->DEC VMS->SunOS->Linux). But one thing may be common. Do you notice anywhere in my path that includes microsoft? Nope, never used it. First thing I do on laptops is wipe them and install Linux. Desktops are built from parts so those never even see a windows birth/death. It is pretty funny sometimes as people know I am in software and will ask to help them with windows. I've tried a couple of times but end up being completely lost. I'm sure I could learn i
      • Different story than yours (DECUnix->IBM->DEC VMS->SunOS->Linux). But one thing may be common. Do you notice anywhere in my path that includes microsoft? Nope, never used it.

        That doesn't appear to be a commonality in your stories. The GP said they turned their PC into something more capable than using DOS, which implies that they had a basis for comparison, and that they were using some other OS (probably DOS) on the PC before loading Linux.

        • Huh. From GP. "I worked at Data General in the 90s. We had recently gotten Sun workstations for schematic entry, and they were pretty much just dropped on our desks." DG's were not pc's and neither were sun workstations. Not sure what DG's ran, but Sun's ran SunOS, a flavor of Unix. So their path ran thru a number of other OS's before they came to use Linux. Their path included a brief stint on windows whereas mine did not.
          • Well, you didn't miss anything worth experiencing unless you like games. I used then and still use Microsoft OSes, but I've used many many operating systems over the years that had nothing to do with billy boy. The only thing I've used that was less rewarding than DOS was CP/M, although frankly even it was capable of doing things I wanted to do like connect to a remote system (too bad my CP/M machine was a Kaypro 4, and it emulated an adm3a...) Windows has had its ups and downs, and frankly only Windows 7 h

    • Actually I find Linux + KDE a whole lot more usable than Windows these says. So much easier to have it work the way you want, so many fewer WTF moments, so many fewer nags, and oh those mandatory Windows reboots. Hate hate hate those mandatory Windows reboots.

    • Having a PC at home, and having grown somewhat attached to Unix, I wondered if there was something like it for the PC. We were using Xenix for a project, but it was expensive, and I was looking for free. So, after discovering the time sink that was Usenet, I ended up at comp.os.minix...and discovered Linux.

      And that is the real story. In those early days we could get Linux, we could not get BSD thanks to the 1992 lawsuit USL v. BSDi. It was not Linux's GPL, it was the void that Linux moved into, A free Unix on a commodity PC.

      Without the lawsuit a BSD distro may have gotten the traction in that arena. 1992 was like today, people wanted Unix on a PC, few gave a crap about the politics of the license.

      The GPL road on the coat tails of Linux, Linux did not ride on the coat tails of the GPL.

  • “ Looking ahead, Torvalds sees himself keeping on. "I'm 51 years young, I enjoy what I'm doing. What would I do if I didn't do Linux? Puttering around in the garden? Not bloody likely.”

    Yea, at 64 I’m a computer hobbiest that gets paid for poking around computers. My wife and I have discussed retirement and she’s also, “not bloody likely”. Just because I’m not getting paid any more, doesn’t mean I’ll stop screwing around with computers. :)

    [John]

  • But chronological correlation is not causality.
    • But chronological correlation is not causality.

      Numerous major contributors to Linux have outright stated that the specific reason they chose to participate in Linux development over one of the *BSDs was the GPL. So frankly, we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the GPL is one of the key reasons for Linux's success. Well, I say we, but some people like yourself are in deep denial because you are trying to sell yourself a line of bullshit about how sharing is bad, and the user doesn't matter.

      The GPL recognizes that software exists for the user, and if

      • Still not causality.
        .

        --- but some people like yourself are in deep denial because you are trying to sell yourself a line of bullshit about how sharing is bad, and the user doesn't matter. ---

        You have no idea the reasons for my opinion. Indeed, the above attempt to state the reasons for my opinion shows just how clueless your view is.

      • But chronological correlation is not causality.

        Numerous major contributors to Linux have outright stated that the specific reason they chose to participate in Linux development over one of the *BSDs was the GPL

        Others have stated that if BSD had not been tied up in court they probably would have gone BSD not Linux. The USL v. BSDi lawsuit made Linux, not the GPL. The lawsuit left Linux the sole occupier of the Free Unix on a commodity PC space. That's all most people wanted, unix on their PC. They didn't care about the underlying license, they just wanted the functionality. Pretty much the same majority sentiment then and today, Just give me Unix on a PC, hold the politics.

  • If it were not for Linux I would never have been able to be exposed too so much advanced technology so early in my career. I have been computing since Vic-20 days and worked at essentially every level of hardware programming and a multitude of one off operating systems. Linux was the first system that actually allowed me to shape the OS into exactly what I requires no more no less. It was such a relief to move from SunOS and Netscape Enterprise for web hosting to Linux and Apache. Sendmail servers now on
    • Linus Torvalds empowered many trillions of dollars of economic advancement. Not an exaggeration in the slightest.

    • If it were not for Linux I would never have been able to be exposed too so much advanced technology so early in my career.

      Not really. There would have been a brief delay due to the USL v. BSDi lawsuit. Then the BSD distros would have been unleashed. The world would be pretty much the same.

      I would have had to spend one more year dialing into the VAX running BSD at school.

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