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As Two Pilots Eject, US Military Plane Crashes Into Texas Neighborhood (abc7news.com) 82

"Y'all a plane just crashed into all those houses," one eyewitness says in an online video. "People jumped out of the plane with parachutes."

The two people — jumping from the 38-foot-long training plane — were both hospitalized, reports CNN: Police were notified of the crash...around 10:53 a.m. (11:53 am ET) and on arrival found one pilot who had ejected from the military training jet caught in power lines, Lake Worth Police Chief JT Manoushagian said during a Sunday afternoon news conference. Another pilot also ejected from the training jet and was found in a neighborhood nearby...

None of the homes involved in the crash took a direct hit, said Fire Chief Ryan Arthur. A little bit of damage occurred to the areas around the homes, he said. "This incident could've been much worse knowing that this plane went down in a residential area here in Lake Worth," Arthur said.

ABC News has more information: One of the occupants was burned by power lines and another landed in a tree as they parachuted to the ground, authorities said. One of the crew members was in critical condition, the other one was in serious condition, authorities said...

WFAA-TV reported that the plane crashed in the backyard of a home, and no one on the ground was injured. Power was also knocked out to around 1,300 customers in the area.

ABC News identifies the aircraft as a T45 Goshawk fighter jet trainer, a plane first developed in 1974 by McDonnell Douglas and British Aerospace (before McDonnell Douglas's 1997 merger with Boeing). But Boeing.com notes they "delivered the 221st and final T-45 training jet to the Navy in November 2009." The company continued to support the T-45 fleet by providing engineering, logistics and support equipment in partnership with BAE Systems, the successor company to British Aerospace, which had supplied the aircraft's rear and center fuselage sections, wing assembly and vertical tail. On Aug. 26, 2010, Boeing joined the U.S. Navy at Cecil Field in Jacksonville, Florida, to celebrate the Naval Air Training Command's one millionth flight-hour with the T-45 Goshawk.
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As Two Pilots Eject, US Military Plane Crashes Into Texas Neighborhood

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  • Okay, but (Score:2, Insightful)

    Why is this on Slashdot?

    • Re: Okay, but (Score:2, Insightful)

      by saloomy ( 2817221 )
      The issue causing the crash may be technical. Also, the tag line is news for nerds, stuff that matters. That is a list (think of it as an array). This certainly matters, though it is not just for nerds.
      • The issue causing the crash may be technical. Also, the tag line is news for nerds, stuff that matters. That is a list (think of it as an array). This certainly matters, though it is not just for nerds.

        I never saw that tagline as either-or - I always felt like posts here were meant to justify both phrases, unless it was an overwhelmingly big news story (like the 9/11 attacks).

        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          I always felt like posts here were meant to justify both phrases

          Well, your feelings have never reflected the site's reality, and with that UID I'm pretty sure you realize that. "News for nerds" has encompassed such stories as the theft of a million pounds of maple syrup from the Canadian Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve in the past, and what people's reaction to passersby putting stuff in their trash cans. It's no longer Rob Malda's brain-dropping repository, but they do have a tradition to uphold. Of course so do you I suppose, of someone complaining "This isn't news f

      • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

        Also, the tag line is news for nerds, stuff that matters

        The keen observer will note that "news for nerds, stuff that matters" no longer appears anywhere on the site and hasn't for quite some time. Apparently, slashdot could no longer live that lie.

        • It's more that the astroturfers can't just stay with Reddit and all the other swamps that nobody in their sane mind touches, they noticed that sane people don't go there and had to infest sites like this one, too.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        The issue causing the crash may be technical.

        They flew into a power line.

        Why didn't their GPS warn them of the powerline?

        The obvious technical solution is to get pilots out of planes and replace them with computers. Not only would a computer avoid the power line, but the training flight would not be needed at all. Computers don't need to be trained, just programmed.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Why were they flying so low that they hit a power line?

        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          They did not fly into a power line. One of the pilots landed on a power line.

          • They did not fly into a power line. One of the pilots landed on a power line.

            Ah hell, not incredibly fortuitously, it really only matters who is reporting the story... a power line was violated. Who are we to judge? #Methree.

        • by sabri ( 584428 )

          Why didn't their GPS warn them of the powerline?

          Because a GPS tells you where you are.

          A Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) will warn you if you are about to fly into terrain. However, if you are flying low enough to be hitting a powerline in a residential neighborhood, you are most likely on a low-flying exercise and you'll have turned off all those pesky alarms.

          Signed,
          Someone who flew low enough to be hitting a powerline during flight training.

          • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

            But the question is, why was a training flight being conducted over populated areas - especially a low flying training flight? There is plenty of empty unpopulated land where such flights can be conducted, the military even built several fake towns complete with building shells for training purposes.

            • Because towns grew in the empty area around the airbase?
              They might be using a 50 (or more) years old airbase, built back when Texas (or that specific area of it) had a tenth of its population.
              A big military airbase will have a huge growing effect on nearby communities, and compounded over 50 or 70 years (WW2 started about 80 years ago)...

            • First, no news source says it was a low level training flight. That is just your inability to comprehend the distinction between the published story and a speculative Slashdot comment.

              Second, actual training maneuvers are typically conducted in sparsely populated areas which are designated as Military Operation Areas (MOAs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] However in order to transition between the training area and the airport, you must frequently overfly populated areas. Just as an example, an engin
        • Skynet? Have you seen how stupid power hungry people are? They will make an automated AI controlled drone (done already) then somehow manage to give it the ability Program itself and override any commands sent by a human operator. If 1984 has almost become a reality (in china at least), Terminator is not too far off.
      • Doesn't matter to most people.

    • It crashed when automatic updates started to install.
    • It's a plane crash, it's interesting.

      Its a damn site more interesting that seeing story after story about Ivermectin, Bitcoin, Year of Linux, Facebook stole my virginity etc etc etc

    • The editors don't care or they'd cease shitting up the place with stuff that is simply NOT computer or tech news.

      The aviationists here don't come here for generic trash news, we go to professional sites where everyone serious about aviation get their news. We don't fucking need normie ABC links wasting space.

      Further, until the crash investigation is finished there's zero point in speculation/wanking.

      • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Sunday September 19, 2021 @05:15PM (#61811645)

        Hate to break it to you, but Slashdot has *never* been just about computer or tech news - I've been wasting my time here now for 23 years, and I can remember loads of non-tech, non-computer stories from way back when.

        Stop moaning, its not just about you and what you want to see here - I'm an aviation enthusiast as well, and I most definitely like to come here for aviation stories because the comments are often interesting, because its largely a different demographic to places like Airliners.Net (which has all its own issues). And judging by how many comments many aviation-orientated stories get, theres a lot of other people who find it interesting as well.

    • Why is this on Slashdot?

      What do you believe should be allowed on /.?

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  • That one pilot has some seriously bad luck. Not only are they involved in a training flight that obviously went very south (no pun intended) but then when they eject they manage to get caught in power lines. And of course this is all going on in the middle of a pandemic in a state where local officials have been actively working to allow the virus to spread and mutate, so best case scenario the doctors and nurses at the hospital are beyond exhausted after around 18 months of dealing with covid patients non-

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      This is why you shouldn't perform jet training exercises over populated areas. Doing that is inviting back luck and risking civilians.

      • by Nkwe ( 604125 )

        This is why you shouldn't perform jet training exercises over populated areas. Doing that is inviting back luck and risking civilians.

        Maybe not all training, but some training needs to be over populated areas. Presumably when a real call for action occurs, that action may need to be over a populated area. Training should cover all realistically expected conditions (and probably also some unrealistic ones as well.)

      • Unfortunately, airports are often in populated areas, requiring airplane to fly over them to get to the airport.

        • Sounds like poor urban design planning. On a global scale. How could this have happened?
          • by cusco ( 717999 )

            Urban growth. When Seatac airport in Seattle was built it was in the middle of nowhere, and there was nothing but industrial sites around all three of Boeing's airfields. Now they're all surrounded by residential neighborhoods.

      • Aircraft have flown millions of perfectly safe sorties to training ranges. There are very few completely empty areas left in the world and given the loss rate the risk is trivial.

        Training does not "invite bad luck" and safety stats are excellent with crashes quite rare. Civilian training flights also overfly population (else it would be impossible to land at most airports!).

        Training flights are typically quite ordinary low-risk missions, not DACT etc which are done over ranges or remote areas. Sorties are

      • Re:Poor bastard (Score:5, Informative)

        by bkmoore ( 1910118 ) on Sunday September 19, 2021 @04:47PM (#61811595)
        I flew the T-45 and was a Naval Aviator. Tactical training never took place over populated areas. They were probably doing instrument or cross country training, where you fly to other airports, conduct instrument approaches and landing practice. These flights are very benign, basically taking off and flying from point A to point B like an airliner. This is an important part of training, since it exposes student naval aviators to different airports, working with air traffic control, and becoming proficient with IFR (instrument flight).
        • How do they handle their landings, do they keep the plane high enough to be able to glide in in case of an engine failure (like you should on a light airplane), or do they come in at 3 degrees and hope for the best?

          (Might not have been engine failure of course. Indeed, probably was not if they ejected so badly.)

          Also, in an eject, if successful and they are under silk, can they steer the parachute at all, like to avoid power lines?

          • by cusco ( 717999 )

            Depends on the ejection system. The T-45 is old enough that they probably are just along for the ride.

          • On a cross country flight to a civilian airport in the T-45 or any other military aircraft, we would fly standard instrument approach procedures. These procedures are safe. Obviously if you lost your engine, and the T-45 is single engine, and are on a 3 degree ILS, you wouldn't be in a position to glide to the airport. But no civilian aircraft would be either. There are two procedures in the T-45 for doing an engine-out landing, but they require a much higher starting altitude, I think 8000 feet above the r
            • Well, they would not be considered safe for non-military single engine aircraft. I certainly always like to come down nice and steep, full flaps that can be raised if needed, and almost had the fan stop once.

    • Pandemic is irrelevant in this case but I understand the desire to throw it into every discussion. Rescue helos have their choice of military hospitals and can fly to any suitable location including Brooke Army Medical Center.

      • It's just one more bit of shit luck. First you have to eject from your plane, then you get caught in power lines... the cherry on top is you're going to be hospitalized in a high covid spread area, so there's a not insignificant chance of catching covid while in the hospital being treated for burns. It's already common enough for people to get secondary infections from bad burns without an airborne contagion floating around.

    • Re:Poor bastard (Score:4, Informative)

      by fermion ( 181285 ) on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:18PM (#61812027) Homepage Journal
      Actually reports say the flew from Corpus Christi which means the were 700 miles north when they reached Lake Worth, which is on the far west end of the Dallas/Forth Worth metroplex. This is near the outer range of the aircraft, so it appears they were leaving the nearly unpopulated and desolate land the characterizes that part of Texas to land at the Fort Worth naval base. This is likely very routine, so it hard to understand what could have gone wrong.
      • by cusco ( 717999 )

        Fort Worth naval base? Why is there a naval base 700 miles from the ocean and even further than that from any other navigable waterway?

  • Probably worried about getting fined. Texas is getting to be a real embarrassment.
    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      When was Texas **not** an embarrassment? Hell, they couldn't even be bothered to free their slaves until a couple of months after they had definitively lost the Civil War, and there are families who have resided there for 400 years which Texas still pretends aren't citizens.

  • ...also, how can one burn from power lines? Electric arc?

  • There are two more people in the world who will be motivated to make sure that anyone they meet from Martin-Baker will not be able to pay for their own drinks. Ever.

  • by PPH ( 736903 )

    "Y'all a plane just crashed into all those houses"

    I wonder what effect that Texas drawl has in the response time of emergency services.

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      I was about to ask how they got hospitalized so fast when all the hospitals are overrun with COVID patients.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Fuck all the anti-democratic laws that Texas is passing.
  • by Courageous ( 228506 ) on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:48AM (#61813229)

    For sure. A military pilot over a populated area has an absolute obligation to make every effort to ensure the plane does not hit a civilian area, up to and including dying with the plane if that's what this requires. This happened over San Diego like a decade ago. I said the same thing then, and it's exactly what happened. It's going to be what happens this time, too.

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