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The NIH Director On Why Americans Aren't Getting Healthier, Despite Medical Advances (npr.org) 208

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: It's Dr. Francis Collins' last few weeks as director of the National Institutes of Health after 12 years, serving under three presidents. Collins made his name doing the kind of biomedical research NIH is famous for, especially running The Human Genome Project, which fully sequenced the human genetic code. The focus on biomedicine and cures has helped him grow the agency's budget to over $40 billion a year and win allies in both political parties.

Still, in a broad sense, Americans' health hasn't improved much in those 12 years, especially compared with people in peer countries, and some have argued the agency hasn't done enough to try to turn these trends around. One recently retired NIH division director has quipped that one way to increase funding for this line of research would be if "out of every $100, $1 would be put into the 'Hey, how come nobody's healthy?' fund."

In a wide-ranging conversation, Collins answers NPR's questions as to why -- for all the taxpayer dollars going to NIH research -- there haven't been more gains when it comes to Americans' overall health. He also talks about how tribalism in American culture has fueled vaccine hesitancy, and he advises his successor on how to persevere on research of politically charged topics -- like guns and obesity and maternal health -- even if powerful lobbies might want that research not to get done.
In regard to Americans not getting healthier over the last 12 years, NPR asked Collins why there haven't been more gains and what role NIH should play in understanding these trends and trying to turn them around. Here's what he said: Well, sure, it does bother me. In many ways, the 28 years I have been at NIH have just been an amazing ride of discoveries upon discoveries. But you're right, we haven't seen that translate necessarily into advances. Let's be clear, there are some things that have happened that are pretty exciting. Cancer deaths are dropping every year by 1 or 2%. When you add that up over 20 years, cancer deaths are down by almost 25% from where they were at the turn of the century. And that's a consequence of all the hard work that's gone into developing therapeutics based on genomics, as well as immunotherapy that's made a big dent in an otherwise terrible disease.

But we've lost ground in other areas, and a lot of them are a function of the fact that we don't have a very healthy lifestyle in our nation. Particularly with obesity and diabetes, those risk factors have been getting worse instead of better. We haven't, apparently, come up with strategies to turn that around. On top of that, the other main reason for seeing a drop in life expectancy -- other than obesity and COVID -- is the opioid crisis. We at NIH are working as fast and as hard as we can to address that by trying to both identify better ways to prevent and treat drug addiction, but also to come up with treatments for chronic pain that are not addictive, because those 25 million people who suffer from chronic pain every day deserve something better than a drug that is going to be harmful.

In all of these instances, as a research enterprise -- because that's our mandate -- it feels like we're making great progress. But the implementation of those findings runs up against a whole lot of obstacles, in terms of the way in which our society operates, in terms of the fact that our health care system is clearly full of disparities, full of racial inequities. We're not -- at NIH -- able to reach out and fix that, but we can sure shine a bright light on it and we can try to come up with pilot interventions to see what would help.

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The NIH Director On Why Americans Aren't Getting Healthier, Despite Medical Advances

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  • It's the same fundamental concept as software bloating in proportion to advances in memory and storage capacity.
    • by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:59AM (#62058889) Homepage Journal

      This article "summary" took 6 paragraphs of directly-lifted content to state what could have been stated in three short sentences, like this:

      "Dr. Francis Collins is the director of the National Institutes of Health, now about to retire after a 12 year career. He says the reason we aren't seeing an improvement in nationwide health, despite technological advances is: "we don't have a very healthy lifestyle in our nation. Particularly with obesity and diabetes." He also points out "On top of that ... is the opioid crisis."

      That's it. It would have saved me time and agitation if the article summary said exactly that, and I could still click through if I want to read all that other fluff.

  • Isn't it obvious? (Score:5, Informative)

    by ugen ( 93902 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:45PM (#62057557)

    Eat crap, drink tons of liquid sugar, barely move, live in houses made of cancer-causing materials.

    Funny story - was in Sweden last week, went into one of those second hand clothing stores. They like "American style" clothes, and there was a pretty large rack of jeans. They use US sizing for jeans. It started at 24 and topped out at 34 (the largest size had precious few items).

    • Re:Isn't it obvious? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:41AM (#62058107) Homepage

      " live in houses made of cancer-causing materials."

      I don't know what those are, but as a european it rather amazes me that most houses outside the centres of big cities in the USA are made of rather cheap looking wood planks. We call those sorts of buildings "sheds". Houses over here are built of brick, block or similar unless you're really poor and they don't tend to blow down in storms plus keep the heat in much better.

      • Re:Isn't it obvious? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:02AM (#62058299) Homepage Journal

        Here in California where we have earthquakes we laugh at your stacks of blocks. There's nowhere on the planet immune from quakes, only places where they happen infrequently.

        • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

          Most places in europe never see anything above magnitude 2 which any brick or block structure can survive.

      • Kind of ironic that the GP post is regarding Sweden, where houses are often built with low grade wood making up structural insulated panels (SIPs). There are a few things used in the US that are less common in Europe, like TJI joists (essentially a wood I-beam), but construction techniques for similar climates and environmental hazards are remarkably similar. The US does not do much stone or brick work outside of veneers, but some is done.

      • You're about as european as a big mac.

    • Already modded up - but Junk food and Greasy Joe's beats an apple. In fact I have seen kids throw a full on tantrum when the bus passed McD's and was not stopping. Secondly lot's of poor Americans cant afford health insurance. As for the Swedish clothes rack, some call the biggest sizes 'fabric' and can trim/restyle these into like new clothes. Thus poor fat people hardly ever find their size anymore. Used to laugh hard when ads like wedding dress(unused) size 26 and above were listed. No wonder the groom
      • Re:Isn't it obvious? (Score:4, Informative)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:53AM (#62058859) Homepage Journal

        ...but Junk food and Greasy Joe's beats an apple. In fact I have seen kids throw a full on tantrum when the bus passed McD's and was not stopping.

        Well, that's a sign of bad parenting more than anything else.

        My parents would have jerked a knot in my tail for pulling something like that, much less in public.

        Secondly lot's of poor Americans cant afford health insurance.

        In so many ways, food IS medicine....at least preventative. If you eat right, you will be healthier. The goal being, to eat right, exercise and use that somewhat at preventative medicine. It works.

    • by labnet ( 457441 )

      Look, you see, big sugar is very generous to help us spread the good word.
      Coke is a big sponsor and a calorie is a calorie and you can get all your calories from one coke a day. That’s a cheap way to live.
      And big donut. Well hydrogenated seed oils are easily counteracted by statins.
      We think the food industry like the pharmaceutical industry is best placed to provide us with accurate research data and sweet sweet fees, donations and gratuities.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      A lot of it is driven by poverty. When you are struggling financially, maybe working multiple jobs or odd hours, it becomes harder to fit in stuff like cooking. Assuming you have a proper kitchen at all. Diet tends to get worse.

      • Re:Isn't it obvious? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Calinous ( 985536 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:34AM (#62058479)

        Not to mention the philosophy of food ingredients:
        The European way is mostly "food can contain ingredients that are proved safe", while the American way is "food can not contain ingredients that are proven unsafe".
        So, even basic ingredients like packaged chicken might contain things that you won't find in European foods.

        As for proper kitchen... _if_ you know how and have the time you can make decent food in surprisingly austere conditions (there was a series on Jamie Oliver cooking during the initial pandemics lockdown - cooking for 5 in a kind of a shed, filmed by budget mobile phone).

        • Re:Isn't it obvious? (Score:4, Informative)

          by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:04AM (#62058681)

          Well food laws in the EU are heavily politically driven, while US food is heavily commercially driven. Safety is kinda an afterthought for both of our markets.

          America has a near monopoly on the Corn Market.
          Europe has a lot of controlling interest for the production of Sugar Cane.

          For Americans Corn Syrup is cheaper than cane sugar. So we use it a lot.
          For Europe they want to be sure they support their interests so they will encourage Cane Sugar and discourage Corn Syrup

          Processed Sugar is bad no matter the source. We should be sweetening our foods with fruits (and honey) as the more healthy options. However our foods have been driven by the Political and/or Commercial desires.

           

          • Quite a bit of sugar in Europe is made from sugar beet, which is locally grown (France, Germany). You can find sugar made from sugar cane, but it usually is "less refined" (crystalized but brownish in color) or even "molassey" (crystalized but with a tendency for soft clumping). Refined beet sugar is extremely white.

    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      What I find surprising is that the US is more and more aware of that. Health should improve.

      Gyms are everywhere, less McDonald's and more trendy, vegan, healthy whatever. Subway even managed to beat McDonald's. I don't know about cancer-causing materials in houses but at least, people smoke less.

      Maybe it is a delayed effect from decades of bad habits, but if health doesn't improve in the coming years, I think we should look at other causes.

      • $$$

        Frozen meals/junk food are a few bucks, fruit and veggies will consume a weeks worth of grocery money for one day's worth of food.

        ANd unless you work for a big company, you likely don't have medical insurance so going to the doctor is usually out of reach of many folks.

    • When I worked in the US, there were posters on the walls of the cafeteria suggesting changes you could make to your diet to be more healthy. My normal, not what I'd consider particularly healthy, diet was the "after" stage of the changes, which always made me wonder how bad the "before" stage had to be if my standard diet was the "after" stage.
    • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:48AM (#62058509) Homepage

      You're not wrong, although I think "cancer causing houses" are not the real issue. The US is fat. The last time I visited, I was *shocked* at how fat everyone was.

      I ran some errands with some extended family, and then went to lunch. The last errand was across the street from the restaurant, so I didn't bother moving the car. The cousin who was with me walked with me across the street. *Pant* *pant* "I haven't walked this far in ages." Probably 5'4" and 250lbs. The weird thing? She used to be super fit, and worked as a swimming and diving instructor. WTF?

      Absolutely massive portions served in restaurants, everybody has a fridge full of junk food packed with HFCS. I was there a week and gained 2kg. I see how it happens. What seems to be missing is public awareness of how to eat healthy food in human-sized portions.

    • Back in the 1980's and 1990's the Diet industry who advertises for people to loose weight and look like they did in their 20's, often pushed low fat and high sugar food. People bought into the marketing, and it is still ingrained in us today. The low fat, prevented the foods from being filling, so you will be eating twice as much food with 1/3 less calories. Then there is sugar (In different forms, Corn, Cane, Artificial) and overly processed carbs, and cause an insulin reaction which affects your metabol

      • by dagarath ( 33684 )

        That's underestimating the obesity problem. I would agree that people who are 10-20 lbs over their ideal weight range don't have a problem. 50lbs over is a health problem and contributes to diabetes, htn, cancer, etc. You don't have to be almost double your ideal weight before it becomes an issue.

      • But for those people who are even 50lbs overweight, their weight isn't a major factor in their health

        I would have to disagree a bit here, that extra weight more often than not, adds higher blood pressure to most people.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      They use US sizing for jeans. It started at 24 and topped out at 34 (the largest size had precious few items).

      I have almost no body fat whatsoever and I wear a 34. I wore a 28 when I was 12 years old.

      Check Google street view. There are plenty of fat people in other countries. Not a uniquely American thing.

  • by Infamous_Memory_129 ( 9088701 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:57PM (#62057593)
    The issue is healthcare is simply too expensive. I'm middle class in Texas and even with new subsidies, we still can't afford healthcare. We could if we ate nothing but rice and beans but we are modest people and don't have a lot of discretionary monies. Yet if you are poor enough to be on food stamps, you are poor enough to get a free ride on healthcare as well. But guess what, you have to get a job and then you can afford rent and food, and guess what - then you don't qualify for healthcare benefits anymore either. Broken ass system.
    • by DethLok ( 2932569 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:42PM (#62057691)

      Healthcare isn't something you subscribe to, it's what you eat, what you do, or don't, do. It's behavioural.
      Eat better, eat less, exercise more, at a minimum.
      And yeah, from an outsiders (I'm an Aussie) point of view, medicine and medical treatment in the USA is insanely expensive!
      Perhaps consider this when you next have the opportunity to vote, and actually go out and vote and consider voting for someone who is promising to get rid of the ridiculous setup that you USAnians seem to have. Banning adverts for medicine would immediately help (by reducing expenses to the medical businesses) as well as mandating govt limits on what can be charged for basic procedures.
      I mean, the rest of the world seems to be doing fine via "socialism" (in this case, govt funded cheap medical care via taxes), but in the USA that's a banned word?
      Seriously? Reap what you sow, USAnians, reap what you sow.
      The USA is an outlier in medical health among the 1st world nations - because the USA largely doesn't HAVE medical health despite huge spending upon it.

      • by tragedy ( 27079 )

        Healthcare isn't something you subscribe to, it's what you eat, what you do, or don't, do. It's behavioural.

        Part of it is, but then there are the parts that are genetic and the parts that are environmental, and the parts that are developmental. etc. Consider something like diabetes. Some people can exercise every day and eat a perfect diet and still get diabetes, while others can sit on the couch all day long eating sugary, fatty junk food and never get diabetes. Ditto for heart disease, cancer, infectious disease, etc. Good habits and behavior help, but they're not the be all and end all of health, large parts o

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      As some raised on beans and rice and tortilla, I can tell you expensive health care is required when you too much other stuff. Like too much meat or Takis or Postobon.

      But the health care costs in the US are out of control. The US invests at least as much public funds in health care as other developed countries. What makes us unique is that an equal amounts of private costs are then paid by individual, making us the most expensive health care in the world. If we are to have accessible health, we need to cu

  • by zeeky boogy doog ( 8381659 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:57PM (#62057597)
    All the medical technology and pills in the world will not fix your health if your lifestyle is disastrously unhealthy. They can't fix the fact that the average American's daily exercise consists of waddling between the fridge and the couch a few times, and their average diet consists of disgustingly processed, nutrient-free, oil-slathered garbage whose only non-fat contents of note are chemicals deliberately added to suppress your body's satiety reflex and keep you eating more shit.

    You're never going to look like the body models on instagram unless you're one of those fucking people who eats anything they want and still has never had to try and lose an ounce in their life, but there's a LONG space between that and being simply grossly fat that's not exactly difficult to inhabit.

    Put down the goddamn soda and drink water. Have some pasta and lean fried meat with veggies, and spices rather than fat sauce, for dinner instead of inhaling half of a family size stuffed pizza by yourself. No bullshit about "b but I don't have time," given that the average American apparently spends more time watching TV every two days than all but the most dedicated jocks spend working out in a week. And speaking of that time, turn off the TV, close the laptop, put down the cell phone, and go for a walk outside. Or ride a bike. Chase a ball. Climb something. Don't just sit there all day.

    And with that, I have solved half the medical problems in the entire developed world. You're welcome.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:06AM (#62057751)
      They're not skipping exercise because they're lazy, they're massively overworked. They eat processed food because it's super cheap and it keeps a long time so they can limit the number of trips to the grocery store, which is important when you're working a lot of hours. Processed foods and restaurant food too is designed to be addictive and encourage you to eat more. You'd think that folks on a forum like this would have read the space merchants from Frederick Pohl...

      Finally when you're working long hours you overeat to keep energy up. You drink soda and snack to get through the day.

      None of these problems can be discussed because every time you bring them up it starts up a political discussion and both sides end up shouting each other down. Almost as if somebody wanted it that way because their profiting off of the situation as it stands today...
    • >go for a walk outside

      Even something that mild can have positive effects.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      The chemicals secreted by muscles repeatedly contracting have wide ranging effects, not all understood but presumably good.

  • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:12PM (#62057631)

    Looking at a wikipedia page on life expectancy by state, I see it lists comparable countries for each state.

    List of U.S. states and territories by life expectancy [wikipedia.org]

    Hawaii, California, New York and a few more states have respectable numbers, similar to other developed nations.
    While other states, especially in the South, have third-world life expectancy.
    Why do West Virginians die five years younger than Virginians? It can't all be Black Lung and bear attacks.

    I was surprised to see such large racial differences, with Hispanics and Asians living much longer than whites or blacks.

    • Why do West Virginians die five years younger than Virginians?

      WV has the 2nd highest obesity rate. Only Mississippi is higher.

      WV has the 2nd highest smoking rate. Only Kentucky is higher.

  • by swell ( 195815 ) <jabberwock@poetic.com> on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:12PM (#62057633)

    Why aren't Americans healthier? Could it be the corporate incentive to sell us poison?

    Of the hundred or so breakfast cereals on supermarket shelves, I only know of one which is not loaded with added sugar. And that one is still mostly empty carbohydrates. Just this year I finally found a low carb bread product among all the junk breads on those shelves. Oh, but you say 'whole wheat'! Look again: whole wheat is probably the 3rd listed ingredient after white flour and whatever. Don't even get me started on the sugar loaded beverages (and that includes the juice that you think is healthy).

    Look at your junk mail from local supermarkets. Most items offered are addictive junk food from mega corporations.

    But even the healthy foods are not what you think. There was a time when corn, wheat, tomatoes, parsley and green beans were grown in rich natural soil. Those products today are grown in depleted soil and carry only a shadow of the nutrients they once had.

    What can the medical establishment do about that? Someone needs to speak out about the quality of what we consume, but who dares go against the corporate monster that funds the re-election of every government overseer?

    • There is no mass conspiracy by evil Corporations. They simply sell what people buy. The whole loaded with sugar and salt thing came from the anti-fat mentality that set in after the fat is bad campaign. Well as it turns out people didn't want just lower fat version of the same products that they were buying before, they also wanted them to taste exactly the same, so they loaded them with salt and sugar instead and people were happy. The diet soda movement, again people wanted their diet-soda to taste exactl
      • by piojo ( 995934 )

        There is no mass conspiracy by evil Corporations. They simply sell what people buy.

        Amorality: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong. And I get that they're following market demands, but they have been awfully slow to react when it was publicized that the sugar/carbohydrate lobby HAD perpetrated a conspiracy to influence health policy and public opinion.

        I'm not saying they are evil, either. But making a sugary cereal for kids is not moral. If Kellogg's doesn't do it some other company will do it instead, but that doesn't absolve Kellogg's. The fact t

      • People demand what marketing tells them to demand. It's awfully hard to resist carefully crafted images and sounds.

    • by KILNA ( 536949 ) *
      Pretty much all of the answers here, if you ask "why" enough, ends up being capitalism. Systemic inefficiency? Rooted in insurance, pharma and other concerns' profit motive. Poor health landscape and bad choices? Corporations sell us shit that's killing us constantly, and corporate ownership of politicians ensures corporations will never be accountable for it.
    • by tragedy ( 27079 )

      Of the hundred or so breakfast cereals on supermarket shelves, I only know of one which is not loaded with added sugar. And that one is still mostly empty carbohydrates.

      What I find especially disturbing alongside the added sugar is the large amount of added salt in those cereals.

    • by rkww ( 675767 )

      > What can the medical establishment do about that?

      That's a key healthcare issue. The UK National Health Service (NHS), and hence the Government, has a strong incentive to promote healthy living because it will save money in the long run.

      It means they can do things like this -- https://www.gov.uk/government/... [www.gov.uk]

  • The health burdens of poverty poor addiction, incresead addiction to alcohol and drugs, teen pregnancy, violent assault, prison time, and the lack of a spouse for adults swamps other factors and shortens human lifespans. It's the worst for black people with 70% single motherhood for their children, but it's the dominant health risk for other groups as well.

    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      It's the worst for black people with 70% single motherhood for their children, but it's the dominant health risk for other groups as well.

      The large number of single-parent families is recent, the last fifty years, and the black-white life expectancy gap is still narrowing (slowly).
      While it is correlated to poor health, poverty, and other negatives, I'd certainly not assume that it is directly causal.

  • Gunshot injuries are not a communicable illness.

  • by LDA6502 ( 7474138 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:25PM (#62057663)

    The NIH is up against American consumerism, where unhealthy food is often cheaper and better marketed than healthy options, often to the point to where it is culturally ingrained. That consumerism also pushed automobiles, which has driven the layout of American infrastructure to where walking is discouraged, leading to a more sedentary lifestyle. It is also up against cultural violence and the harm it inflicts. Another is the mental health crisis, with the destructive self-medicating so many people do to cope with their illnesses. Tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and conspiracy fanatics are on the rise, which IMHO are extensions of the mental health crisis (most everything on the DSM can be placed on a spectrum, and they're often flirting with various personality disorders).

    To reverse those trends, you're looking at changing some very core aspects of American culture and law, some of which is ingrained starting at a very young age. I don't believe that American politics will allow that change.

    Americans have the health that they deserve, and they're stuck with it.

  • blame it on the patient by saying it is all lifestyle. Medical research has ignored all our health problems because they think they are too hard or out of scope. Cures for alcoholic liver disease, for obesity, for poisoning by pollution, for pain, for womens health, for Alzheimer's, for understanding racial disparities in health, and much more are barely even worked on while most of the money goes to cancer and genomic studies. It's like they were asked to fix a train but the train is not in their shop s
  • Maybe if they didn't put sugar in the cold cuts and the bread fewer people would be obese. It's almost impossible to avoid eating sugar in the US.
    • I don't think bread tastes good without sugar.

      • Re:Sugar (Score:5, Insightful)

        by hazem ( 472289 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:01AM (#62058041) Journal

        I don't think bread tastes good without sugar.

        I suspect part of that is because that's what you're used to and, at least in my own experience, you build up a kind of tolerance to or get desensitized to the sweetness.

        Years ago I started eating low-carb, even as low as "keto". Every now and then, I'd eat a "normal" meal and was often shocked by how sweet things tasted. I never thought of bananas and carrots as sweet... I might have called them savory. But after a couple months of low-carb, they tasted very sweet to me. And things like salad dressings and peanut butter were overpoweringly sweet.

        Many years before that, my penpal from Austria visited and she commented that all the bread here was like cake back home.

        Anyway, that's my experience and maybe not applicable to you.

        • Many years before that, my penpal from Austria visited and she commented that all the bread here was like cake back home.

          Eating bread from a real bakery is shocking compared to grocery store bread. Like the first time I had a Garibaldi biscuit and it wasn't sickeningly sweet.

  • by Rayfield k. ( 8918519 ) on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:52PM (#62057717)

    Why are
    *sips corn syrup*
    Americans
    *drives suv to mailbox*
    So
    *watches sportsball*
    Unhealthy?
    *drinks 12 pack*

    We just don't know.

  • One reason that we have such poor healthcare results and that life expectancy has gone down in the U.S. is that too many people cannot afford healthcare. According to the Commonwealth Fund [commonwealthfund.org], more that 80 million people from ages 19-64 are either underinsured or uninsured. We need a single-payer healthcare system, also known as Medicare for All, that covers everybody and eliminates out-of-pocket costs. H.R.1976 - Medicare for All Act of 2021 [congress.gov] would create such a system.

    Medicare for All would allow people to ge

    • Medicare for All! What a joke. I am on Medicare! it is the most expensive health care I have ever had. You talk like you think Medicare is free, you do not know what your talking about!
      • You apparently haven't seen the chunk your employer was paying to private companies. Ask any company what their biggest expense is behind salaries and it will be health insurance. The rest of the world scratches their head when hearing this.

    • 'Medicare for all' is an election campaign slogan, not the foundation for a coherent, cohesive healthcare system for the public good. Look at what the other OECD countries have (except Canada, which is a semi-privatised two tier system). They all vary in some ways but all offer universal healthcare as a fundamental right. Everyone deserves to get treated regardless of ability to pay & in most OECD countries it kinda-sorta works. The overall total cost of healthcare per person in those countries is also
  • when your 70th birthday isn't locked behind a paywall.

  • Still, in a broad sense, Americans' health hasn't improved much in those 12 years

    Because they are looking at it in a very narrow sense, life expectancy. There is more to medicine than life expectancy.

    For example, the knee repair and hip replacement surgeries have improved dramatically in the last 20 years. That doesn't affect longevity much, but it sure improves quality of life.

  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:31AM (#62057925)

    Glubb was right. The few technologists, farmers and others of genuine accomplishment keep the place running for a while.

    Consider the British decline from 1913 to 2013 from a global empire to a small, weak island of secondary importance then remember every empire and nation fall sooner or later.

    The utter absence of an intellectual class in a savagely religionist nation (originally conquered by religious fanatics) with zero conditions enabling rebirth ensures a very brittle society of willfully ignorant, vicious fools.

    Of course they won't take care of their bodies. Their minds won't permit it.

  • by dasunt ( 249686 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:23AM (#62057989)

    It seems like Americans have a lot stacked against them.

    We have a healthcare system where billing is confusing at best, and insurance companies are arbitrators of healthcare. Many people avoid preventative care because of the cost.

    We have a culture that's not really healthy either. The nearest place to groceries for me in a walkable distance sells mostly chips and soda. Other than some bananas on the counter, there's nothing for fresh fruits or vegetables. Food deserts are the norm for many Americans.

    Speaking of norms, driving is the norm as well. Which is likely due to how we build our cities and the lower population density in exurbs and rural areas. That limits the amount of walking we get, which reduces our daily exercise.

    We work longer hours than many other nations, which means we're eating more convenience food and fast food.

    And we have income disparity, and stress isn't healthy.

    Maybe the question should be why do Americans live as long as they do? The deck is stacked against us. Yes, we can be healthy, but that takes determined effort, day after day after day.

  • Killing more people than smoking is unhealthy food: animal protein, processed food, excess salt, and sugar: Uprooting the leading causes of death [youtube.com].
  • Fast food franchises every intersection, cities built around cars, urban sprawl, pedestrians & cyclists treated like an afterthought, lack of recreational facilities, poor health care focused on profit, treatment & not prevention and poverty.
  • If you don't need to fear a surprise $4,000 bill for sitting in an empty room you'll be more likely to go to a doctor to get things checked, and thus more likely to catch things before they get too bad, and thus live a longer, better life.

  • by famebait ( 450028 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:02AM (#62058221)

    All the rest stem from those.

  • Health gradient (Score:4, Insightful)

    by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:28AM (#62058247)
    The USA, among other countries, has a health gradient going in the wrong direction. It's cheaper & more convenient to be unhealthy than healthy. Then poverty & extraordinarily arduous working conditions lock that gradient in. The working poor don't have the time or money to eat healthily or live healthier lifestyles. Meanwhile the corporate food, pharma & medical industries are making out like bandits. Citizens are just meat for the grinder.
  • Perhaps it is because we feed our pets a more balanced diet than we feed ourselves.
  • Americans are exercising more than ever and eating less sugar:
    https://slimemoldtimemold.com/... [slimemoldtimemold.com]

  • by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:43AM (#62058495) Journal

    It's the system if misaligned incentives in the healthcare industry.

    There is a reason why Theranos was able to pull off the fraud it was able to pull off. Insurance companies are not liable for treating any condition which tests do not discover. And doctors cannot be sued for a test which showed that there is nothing to treat. Doctors can, however, be sued for not treating or mistreating after a test shows a problem.

    So everyone, who has any decision to make, is incentivized not to discover that someone is sick. If the incentives were reversed (and doctors were only paid if they treated something like dentists are), they would be much more eager to make sure that there is no false negatives when it comes to discovering illnesses. If the insurance companies could be sued for recommending Theranos (which provided cheaper tests but statistically insurance companies had to see that it had a higher rate of false negatives), they would also have incentives to to recommend tests which discover nothing over tests which are more likely to discover something.

  • Try saying that a fat person is fat, that will get you labeled.
  • by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:37AM (#62058603) Homepage

    These wonderful advances are only available to people who can afford them. The most significant thing that would both improve the health of Americans and reduce per-capita medical care costs would be a single-payer universal healthcare system similar to the one in Canada.

  • We're making our cars safer but that doesn't correlate to safer drivers. Just drivers that know they can survive more risky behaviors.
  • From food to media, we are consuming exactly what is offered by the Big 10.

Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.

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