US Sets Global Daily Record of Over 1 Million COVID-19 Cases (bloomberg.com) 187
According to data from Johns Hopkins University, more than 1 million people in the U.S. were diagnosed with COVID-19 on Monday. Bloomberg reports: The highly mutated variant drove U.S. cases to a record, the most -- by a large margin -- that any country has ever reported. Monday's number is almost double the previous record of about 590,000 set just four days ago in the U.S., which itself was a doubling from the prior week. It is also more than twice the case count seen anywhere else at any time since the pandemic began more than two years ago. The highest number outside the U.S. came during India's delta surge, when more than 414,000 people were diagnosed on May 7, 2021.
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Depends a lot on whether you believe the difference in measures are the main item responsible for a difference in outcome.
But that is a whole lot of assumptions to be making.
A China repeatedly and religiously lies about what's going on in its borders.
B Without globally standardized practices in terms of testing, numbers are hard to compare.
C Without a control group, I have NO idea how much of an impact to attribute to measures.
D It seems clear by now that the climate has an impact on the virus. Comparing ju
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I have friends and family in China, people I trust and who were not held back from discussing the COVID situation there previously. They say that life is pretty much normal, except for occasionally there is a case and a whole city goes into lockdown and they test everyone living there. Children from age 5 are getting vaccinated too.
The borders are basically closed, they have isolation in place for people who are allowed in and the police do enforce it.
The biggest factor in how well a country does seems to be if it closes its borders or not. If you look at the countries that did well, places like Japan and New Zealand and China, they all stopped tourism/business/students and only allowed their own citizens back in, and even then with extensive quarantine and testing. Japan's biggest surge was when they let people in for the Olympics.
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I have friends and family in China, people I trust and who were not held back from discussing the COVID situation there previously. They say that life is pretty much normal, except for occasionally there is a case and a whole city goes into lockdown and they test everyone living there. Children from age 5 are getting vaccinated too.
The borders are basically closed, they have isolation in place for people who are allowed in and the police do enforce it.
The biggest factor in how well a country does seems to be if it closes its borders or not. If you look at the countries that did well, places like Japan and New Zealand and China, they all stopped tourism/business/students and only allowed their own citizens back in, and even then with extensive quarantine and testing. Japan's biggest surge was when they let people in for the Olympics.
I agree that heavy quarantines and general border shutdown is a good idea, but Japan's largest surge started before the Olympics and continued during the Olympics. Unless the surge was a result of people arriving before the Olympics started, but I thought most of that was handled in country.
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Yes, all countries need to do is float out to the middle of the ocean or yank rights & control away from their citizenry. Then they can implement the same border controls like your examples and get the same results.
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The US can't even stop 25k illegal immigrants from crossing the border each month. How could they possibly shut things down like China even if they tried?
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3rd party? Republicans only stop some foreigners from entering the country and would never force citizens to quarantine, at that they'd probably make it illegal, they love big government to enforce their own personal freedoms and the Democrats aren't much better.
The truth is that America can't shut its borders like China can, too dependent on cross border trade. Trucks and workers, mostly nurses and such, have continued crossing the USA/Canadian border the whole time. Even places like Peacearch Park, Trump
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There are I think two from different companies, both a little better than Astra Zenica but not as good as the mRNA ones like Pfizer.
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B) True, you need to take numbers with a grain of salt. But shouldn't throw them out the window because they are not standardized. Especially if they point out to a conclusion you don't like.
C) Is always true, no matter what you argue, unless you are discussing a very narrow specific thing. Also, how much is not the question. Is there
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Tentative argument: I support skepticism toward anything China says, but in this case I think you're ignoring the exponential nature of a pathogen like this. You can't have a hundred cases a day and cover it up. The only way a hundred cases a day is contained is with massive effort--both on the part of the government and the governed--and that gets noticed. Otherwise a hundred cases a day becomes a hundred thousand cases a day within a short time.
It's a tentative argument because it's also possible the peop
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And we don't lie about what happens in this country?
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Anybody finds it easy to obey when it's at the point of a gun.
That's a bad quality. Anybody that helps excuse or make light of this known fact of the CCP is complicit with them.
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Take this with a gra
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There is a Chinese word for a child that obeys and respects their parents. I believe the pinyin is "gwei". They use the same term to describe listening to the government. Effectively the government is seen as a parent. Of course there are groups that have grievances but those grievances are generally spread via word of mouth and largely those people still follow the rules. There is actually a TED Tall about this, specifically on how it relates to the lockdown here.
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"they really just voluntary do things for the greater good"
Nonsense. Almost everyone acts for the greater good. Its just that Chinese is society is way less plural than ours is, so there is much more agreement as to what the greater good entails.
This the problem with the modern American left. They don't understand that 'anything that feels good' isn't a value system its just hedonism and every past society that gone that route has failed. They refuse to admit that if we don't adopt some set of generally sha
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That seems rather ironic, considering how much of right wing talk is about how the left indoctrinates children on issues like race, homosexuality, transgenderism, etc.
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Right they correctly complain because the 'indoctrination' they get happens to be a message of moral relative ism and multiculturalism that is the very recipe for failure I am talking about!
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Isn't that a subjective take?
How is stating that every adult has a right to be in a relationship with another adult any more relative than saying every adult should restrict their relationships with other adults based on gender, race, etc?
Both are a take. Both are holding all of society to a standard.
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No the US does not do the same in terms of: forced disappearances, concentration camps (with an on-going genocide), censorship of private conversations, suppression of any opposition, the most incredible level of corruption, and constant and blatant lying on every topic.
You might try to find some kind of similarities like the US government lies as well on some topics, or there exist corruption in US as well, but US and China are not on the same level. The US is far from perfect, China is hell.
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No the US does not do the same in terms of: forced disappearances, concentration camps (with an on-going genocide),
It's almost as if you don't know the USA has the highest imprisonment rate in the world.
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censorship of private conversations - Facebook / twitter bans
suppression of any opposition - Voter ID and voting district gerrymandering
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The US is fucked up in many ways; it is at serious risk of going as bad as China if things like the impunity of people after the 6th January coup attempt continue. However if you can't see that each of those things you listed is not the same between China and the US you have a problem. The fact that we always see these types of comparisons in discussions about China is really telling about how bad China really is I chose just two.
Facebook/twitter bans. Can be avoided by setting up your own system and in t
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but January 6th was not a coup or even a counter coup. It was a protest turned riot egged on and orchestrated by glowies (federal agents) and a furry with horns.
The protest was there to show dissatisfaction with unconstitutional voting throughout the states and to encourage/demand senators and congressional representatives to utilize the remedies available in 3usc15. Of course this contested element required the vice president to participate too.
Revolver did an article
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The real coup of course was that the election was determined on the basis of illegal votes and hence invalid.
Citation needed.
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You can' be serious with these comparisons. It's not just putting one bad thing in front of another one and hope they will negate each other.
forced disappearances - school shootings
China: Purposeful crimes committed as part of the organized system by the people in charge
USA: there exist some crazy people, and although we try to stop them, we are not successful enough
concentration camps (with an on-going genocide) - disproportionate amount of African Americans in jails and police shootings
China: the worst crimes as recognized by international laws, purposefully committed as part of an organized system by the people in charge
USA: the system is imbalanced, it's not completely clear why (but it has to do with individual decisions more than the system -- the law does not discriminate, some agents appear to discriminate), the abuses start to be punished right now, hopefully it decreases over time.
censorship of private conversations - Facebook / twitter bans
USA: In any case people can freely communicate their ideas, even those inconvenient to the government, using SMS, emails, private chats, and also organize peaceful protests.
China: you can't say or do a thing that the government does not like, even by SMS (SMS does not even reach the destination), emails, private chats (such things are mandated to not exist), and obviously you cannot participate into a protest (that criticizes the government). If you manage to say something, the police literally comes at your door, pressurizes your family, or you are forced to disappear (which is the crime of abduction), forced to retract yourself, forced to present excuses on TV, even deny that anything happened at all. None of those purposeful crimes committed by the government happen anywhere in the world outside China and its small circle of influence (NK, Myanmar).
suppression of any opposition - Voter ID and voting district gerrymandering
USA: This is clearly a bad thing for USA, and going a little bit down in the scales of democracies. But still, people can choose their leaders, and overall they have been able to choose leaders and alternate the parties.
China : China criticizing election processes of USA is the most ridiculous thing to do, but I'm happy you are able to criticize. Would China let me criticize the election process of China (or absence thereof) on a social website available to Chinese citizen? (if yes, I promise I start tomorrow).
the most incredible level of corruption - Lobby groups
China: purposeful corrupt as part of an organized system of government by the people in charge.
USA/world: lobby groups exist in all the world and are not a bad thing per se. They could be better regulated in USA to increase transparency.
and constant and blatant lying on every topic - Fake news
China: purposeful lying as part of an organized system of government by the people in charge
USA: some crazy people on the internet say the darnedest thing -- nothing to do with the government. The government is going to let that happen, because it's what we call freedom.
I really don't think you guys are doing that great personally...
It's not about doing great or not, it's about not doing it in bad faith.
In China, the entire system of government is performing as criminals, every day, as part of the normal way of things are done. There is no law, there is just what the leader wants.
In USA, some crazy people exist, sometimes the law lets us try to stop them, sometimes we have to let them be. But there is Rule of Law.
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You do realize that most of the great European Democracies have voter ID right? Also voting district gerrymandering is simply the party in power choosing their voters, both of the major parties do it(hell the "non-partisan" commission did it), so unless your thesis is that both US political parties are the same and exactly like the CCP, what is your point? Incumbency is one hell of a force multiplier? Thanks Captain Obvious.
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An AC initially said "China does suppression of opposition", another AC (pro-China) replied "USA does Voter ID and district gerrymandering".
My intention was to say that gerrymandering (e.g. as was commented some time ago about Texas) is shameful. I did not enter into the actual debate in details, because the arguments used were too ridiculous. The pro-China AC was picking regular-sized concerns about USA to try counter the infinite-sized deal-breaker problems China has which is that there are no electoral p
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Meanwhile, China locked down a city because there were a few 100 infections. Ok, government there does not play nice when you don't do what they tell you. But that is not the only explanation why they succeed. Chinese just seem to be able to obey better. Not sure that is a bad quality.
The real difference in this case is that Chinese authorities are not afraid to take the right measures even if they may seem a bit harsh for some.
But the outcome is that only a city gets locked down every once in a while, and only for a very limited time, too.
Since after the end of the first wave in early 2020, almost all of China has been leading a completely normal life, people rarely wear masks anymore except where they do anyway because of polluted air, and the places which needed lockdowns all went bac
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Pretty much so. But the "China BAD!" faction is not equipped to understand facts or to use their intellect (such as it may be).
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> Chinese Government only shoots people and makes the family of the dead to pay for the bullets used...
Whew! Glad the US doesn't have the death penalty. Glad it hasn't been letting COVID run rampant in prisons and denying prisoners access to basic disease prevention tools like masks "because tear gas wouldn't work as well." Or adequate amounts of soap "because fâ" them."
Good thing the US doesn't make poor people choose between pleading guilty to a crime they didn't commit or sitting in jail pretrial
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Washing hands is good advice, just like brushing your teeth and eating your vegetables is good advice.
At this point, though, it seems it does equally little to stop the spread.
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Unfortunately the Omicron variant kinda ignores vaccines, unless it is recent. So having it done last summer, you need an update or it has close to 0% effectiveness against preventing Omicron (though it still gives milder symptoms).
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And milder symptoms means less hospitalization, which means a health care system doesn't get overwhelmed. After all, people don't magically stop getting into car accidents or getting cancer because there's a pandemic.
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The Omicron variant might be a vaccine. Even according to the "experts," it infects almost everyone, and kills almost no one, but people infected may very well have immunity to future variants.
It would be providential, as well as ironic, if nature itself (actually, nature's God) forced an ignominious end to the plandemic and to the tyranny it inspired.
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Unfortunately the Omicron variant kinda ignores vaccines, unless it is recent. So having it done last summer, you need an update or it has close to 0% effectiveness against preventing Omicron (though it still gives milder symptoms).
The point was never to prevent infection. The point is to keep people out of hospitals.
Omicron neither ignores vaccines or prior infection. Antibodies generated in response to prior variants and vaccines have poor fitness against Omicron so people are likely to be infected with Omicron regardless of prior vaccination or infection.
Those with either vaccine or infection acquired immunity are still highly protected from hospitalization due to T cell response.
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It's almost as if you don't know the difference between a virus and a bacteria...
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A simple gugle search ("us coronavirus infections") will show that the previous comparable wave (January 2021) had a 7-day average of 260,000 cases per day and the September 2021 wave had a 7-day average of 175,000 cases per day at their respective peaks.
Four to five times that is already crushing previous records, and there is no "plateau" in sight...
Next up, kids (Score:2)
Something not mentioned is unlike the initial infections in 2020 which rampaged through the elderly and sick, there has been a sharp increase in the number of kids (below the age of 18) being both hospitalized and dying [cnn.com] from the current wave of Delta and Omicron.
This will become more evident over the next week or two as all those Christmas and New Year's gatherings spread the virus far and wide. Check your local papers for sob stories about 2 year olds being on ventilators because the virus is just a hoax.
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Wow, we officially suck.
Too many Americans have given up on masking or even on social distancing in general. The CDC has only added to the problem with its stupid and contradictory advice. But the key issue, I think, is that the American mindset is all about me, what about my freedom, how can I protect myself. So people reason that as long as they are vaccinated, they no longer need to care. But not only are so many kids unvaccinated, but there are many medically vulnerable people who are endangered by othe
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Well, the US is certainly one of the countries with the most absolutely self-centered and ignorant people on the planet. In a pandemic, that is pretty bad, because stopping or slowing a pandemic is all about preventing infecting others. Protecting yourself is a minor component.
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Using US statistics, for the period of the pandemic (20 months to end December), the deaths for the under 19 cohort can be estimated as:
Deaths from COVID (CDC latest data) [cdc.gov] - 803.
Deaths from motor vehicle accidents (using 2016 year data) [nejm.org] - 6790.
Deaths from firearm incidents (using 2016 year data) - 5238.
Deaths from cancer (using 2016 year data) - 3090.
Deaths from suicide (using 2016 year data) - 1833.
Either there is about to be a huge panic around children dying in motor vehicle accidents, or there is some f
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You used firearm incidents which no doubt includes suicides, but where's the data for swimming pools? That's the real eye opener, but mom's don't demand action on swimming pools.
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Why on earth would they say "from COVID-19"? That's not how English works.
As a simple example with nothing to do with COVID:
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com] - "in hospital with leukemia" this gives me 38,200 results.
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com] - "in hospital from leukemia" this gives me 4 results. Because that is not how English phrasing works.
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Why on earth would they say "from COVID-19"? That's not how English works.
As a simple example with nothing to do with COVID:
Omicron is everywhere. Most will be getting it in a short number of weeks.
In such an environment with massive prevalence and lower severity of disease you should expect (As happened in ZA) the majority of people hospitalized for reasons completely unrelated to Covid to incidentally test positive for Covid.
What people want to know with regards to Covid is who is being hospitalized as a result of a covid infection. Looking at generic statistics of everyone hospitalized who tests positive for Covid says not
About the fastest spread of any known virus (Score:2)
The entire “don’t live in fear so just keep doing what you’ve been doing
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Indeed. Omicron is less deadly, but not that much. As it spread much faster, ICUs, and a few days later hospitals in general, will get overwhelmed if it is not slowed down. This thing doubles every couple of days, which is extreme on an unprecedented level. And then, when ICUs and hospitals are overwhelmed, Omicron becomes _more_ deadly. If New York 2020 is an indication, about 10x more deadly.
The absolutely fascinating thing is that many, many people seem to be unable to even understand these relatively si
Mondays Don't Count (Score:3)
Please stick to reporting 7 day averages. While the rate of change isn't as useful, the magnitude of cases is more useful.
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Around here, Delta is by far the dominant variant, but there was still a surge of cases. So I don't think we can blame this surge solely on Omicron.
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Right they are both bad. The worst thing is the areas surging with Delta now can likely surge again in a month with Omicron. I am wondering if they are doing much to look for dual infections. I believe these have been documented but I don't think they are being examined in much detail and that the highest way to detect them is deep sequencing (or getting lucky with multiple Covid tests showing positive for different variants in a short period)
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I believe these have been documented but I don't think they are being examined in much detail and that the highest way to detect them is deep sequencing (or getting lucky with multiple Covid tests showing positive for different variants in a short period)
Only sequencing can distinguish variants.
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Not true, simple gene tests can. athe reason at home Covid tests are not as accurate with detecting the infection seeing highly related to it missing a specific gene. However, I mention deep sequencing because it's the only tool I know that can better find distinguish divergence in a population...
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The worst thing is the areas surging with Delta now can likely surge again in a month with Omicron
That seems like an unlikely scenario.
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The vaccines are working in the sense that you get much milder cases and reduced risk of spreading. Which is the best any vaccine can do, it's always a matter of degrees (at one extreme, fully immunocompromised individuals get no benefit from a vaccine at all, no matter how good it is).
Gym passes is a terrible idea, since gyms have been involved in a lot of superspreader events. Many people getting together with strangers to lots of heavy breathing in enclosed spaces, makes sense that it is a recipe for tro
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I don't think you quite understood the GP's point, namely that given the apparently high transmission rate and low virulence of Omicron, dropping any attempt at attenuating transmission and instead attempting to improve overall health (e.g. lowering the risk of heart attacks) could be a more cost-effective intervention at saving lives, even given the "superspreader events". I'm not sure those numbers actually work, but your "hit points" thing isn't really on-point -- the GP was not arguing that being healthy makes one more resistant to COVID.
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(In particular, the "let it all burn" approach runs the risk of overwhelming the medical system, driving the mortality rate way, way up. So far we've never run out of beds, but we're currently running out of monoclonal antibodies... as we've all seen over the past year, spiky demand ravages the supply chain.)
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Monoclonal antibodies are less effective on omicron.
I still do not hear anyone refuting the claim that health should not be a more thorough consideration. These aspects include both diet and exercise. If you do an antibody count for two people who took the vaccine and one regularly goes to the gym or does other exercise, when all other factors are accounted for, it averages that the healthy individual has higher antibodies.
We don't have to drop other prevention mechanisms, we don't have to denounce vaccines
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Someone here once had the sig "The human brain casts to boolean."
One of the most insightful things ever written on Slashdot.
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The vaccines have had far less of an impact than we've been led to believe,
Yeah, far less impact [imgur.com].
but without a double blind study (which we won't get)
Don't know what a double blind study is used for, do ya? But hey, don't let the facts [imgur.com] get in the way of a good lie.
Viral mutations become more contagious and less dangerous with each variant
Says who?
Learn to live with it in whatever way seems best to you, and allow others that same right.
When your "right" kills other people, that's a problem. As the saying
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As a follow up to my own post, here is how ineffective vaccines are, hot off the presses.
Rates of hospitalizations [tumblr.com] by vaccine status for those 18 years or older.
Rates of hospitalizations [tumblr.com] by vaccine status for those 65 years or older.
Rates of hospitalizations [tumblr.com] by vaccine status for those 12 - 17 years old.
But yeah, let's get a "double blind study" to see how things are going.
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Did you actually use tumblr links as a source? I guess it is no better than dude you are replying to using imgur links for a source. smh
So posting data from the CDC, which happens to come from a tumblr account referencing that data, is a bad thing. Facts are bad. Got it.
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There were a bunch of double blind studies. At least one per vaccine.
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There's good news here, but we shouldn't exaggerate it. People have been jumping the gun on declaring the pandemic over ever since March of 2020, and while eventually people declaring victory are going to be right, the data right not is clear: it's still too early. The seven day moving average death rate [cdc.gov] hasn't declined. It isn't rising either as omicron tears its way through the population, so this is a glass half empty/full scenario. I believe we'll turn the corner soon, but how rough the road getting
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There's good news here, but we shouldn't exaggerate it. People have been jumping the gun on declaring the pandemic over ever since March of 2020
Other than someone on the Internet is wrong nobody actually did that. You are exaggerating.
and while eventually people declaring victory are going to be right, the data right not is clear: it's still too early.
Oh right south Africans are different, they don't have over 3 million people 65+, they don't have the same vaccines or insert other implausible excuse to ignore real world data here.
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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Other than someone on the Internet is wrong nobody actually did that.
Well, there's the former President of the United States, but you're right -- he's not on the Internet anymore. But his followers certainly took up the meme and ran with it, including many people here who were claiming back in April 2020 that COVID would be seasonal and gone by summer. So nobody except the people you're ignoring.
Oh right south Africans are different
Every country is different. The population is different, and most especially the surveillance systems they have are different.
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Can we get back to news for nerds someday? We got the fucking covid memo already, jezuz.
Coronavirus has put the price of electronic components through the roof. That affects nerds directly.
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Can we get back to news for nerds someday? We got the fucking covid memo already, jezuz.
Unfortunately, millions of people still behave like they have NOT gotten the memo, which is why this keeps dragging on WAY longer than it should have.
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Can we get back to news for nerds someday? We got the fucking covid memo already, jezuz.
Unfortunately, millions of people still behave like they have NOT gotten the memo, which is why this keeps dragging on WAY longer than it should have.
Yup, just like this story [imgur.com] about an anti-vaxxer and socialism.
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Christ, dude. It's a worldwide viral pandemic. It's biology, biotechnology, nanotechnology, statistics, and fluid dynamics all rolled into one. You think it's not "nerdy" just because it's not your nerdy?
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This guy thinks the only nerd is the one with a PC. Fuck, I have been loving some of the discussions about COVID once you shift through the most the garbage. There's ton of fun nerdy stuff to discuss.
1) [Medicine] Is covid a respiratory illness or a pulmonary one?
2) [Biology] Do viruses (if given enough potential to evolution) evolve be less lethal but spread more -- and is omicron proof positive of such a conclusion.
3) [Sociology] Why are some countries more effective at keeping the outbreak in check.
4) [Environmental Science] If we denounce the lab leak scenario, what's the real cause of these viruses -- Habitat loss, global warming, or wet markets (or some synergy of these factors)
5) [Environmental Science] If we accept that the the probability of such outbreaks relates to environment, how should we expect to handle this challenge in terms of environmental policy. Are lockdowns the new normal because homeostasis is totally fucked -- so the "natural" outcome will be increasing outbreaks just like warming and weather extremes.
All of these things seem incredible nerdy and unlike math you cannot simply compute the answer which is what all the CS nerds seem to want -- the easily computable news.
This being said, there is certainly a lot of shit to drudge through to find the good bits of discussion... but hey, that sounds like the internet I have mostly always known.
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Have you seen that new study that hints that covid viruses migrates throughout the body?
Here's a link [researchsquare.com].
A quote:
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I had not. Thank you for sharing.
This has to be part of it's ability to migrate through the pulmonary system but it would also suggest as a disease it is more flexible in the sense of reproducing in non-ideal parts of the body? Research like this seems like it will be ongoing for a number of years to show us better how this virus is functioning but it seems like it's not very easily categorized as a pathogen be it the distinction of aerosols for spreading or what system of the body is the main target.
I know
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Lets not confuse COVID-19 w/ SARS-Cov-2. The latter can cause the former. Like HIV _eventually_ causes AIDS. Its not the virus that kills you. And the main purpose in today's medicine for both is to hold off or stop the disease from happening or progressing to the point the _disease_, not the virus, kills you
It makes total sense that SARS-Cov-2 shows up everywhere... just like any other virus that sticks around in the fight for more than 3-4 days. Thou a bit surprising to see it breach the brain barrie
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2) [Biology] Do viruses (if given enough potential to evolution) evolve be less lethal but spread more -- and is omicron proof positive of such a conclusion.
Smallpox is a counter example. Evolution is only striving for spread and mild disease is one way. Another is spreading before making people sick enough that others avoid them. It's all a shake of the dice.
4) [Environmental Science] If we denounce the lab leak scenario, what's the real cause of these viruses -- Habitat loss, global warming, or wet markets (or some synergy of these factors)
Or perhaps just randomly a Corona virus evolved to infect multiple animals. Covid seems to be in a lot of species, latest I saw was 1/3rd of deer being infected.
Previous viruses have also jumped the species barrier, notably various strains of flu.
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Can we get back to news for nerds someday?
When was the last time you lived through an actual pandemic? This is a (hopefully) once-in-a-lifetime event with all sorts of angles for nerding out, be it biology, statistics, biotechnology, psychology, anthropology, or any number of other areas.
Oh, and it’s “news that matters” too. As nerds, we deal in fact, and seeing a potent statistical reminder that a virus doesn’t care how “done” we are with it is a healthy thing.
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Yeah, we need to get back to stories about US politics.
Oh wait, COVID *is* US politics.
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Hey kid with the almost 5million UID, no one cares what you think Slashdot is.
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Meanwhile all the hospitals stop functioning completely and the virus has mutated 5 more times because of the target rich environment. Yeah. Great idea.
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"Stop functioning" is definitely hyperbole -- hospital administrators are trained to deal with this sort of thing -- but "the majority of infections don't require hospitalization" does not imply "the medical system can handle it". The nature of pandemics is exponential growth. At a certain level, even a small hospitalization rate can overwhelm the system, because it's just not designed for that many people to be sick at the same time. And if you "need hospitalization" and can't get hospitalization, I'm guessing your personal mortality rate is going to get a lot higher.
I know a significant number of people who have been infected, and none of them required hospitalization.
Wonderful, let us know when your study has been peer-reviewed for statistical significance and sampling bias.
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Why would hospitals "stop functioning" if the majority of infections don't require hospitalization?
Bad trolling is bad trolling. Your delusions of sounding smart are far outweighed by the facts which show hospitals are overwhelmed, again, with covid patients, the vast, vast, VAST majority of whom are not vaccinated. A simple search for "hospital overwhelmed" or "hospitals at capacity" will show a multitude of stories about hospitals across the country who have no more rooms to care for anti-vaxxers and ha
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Why would hospitals "stop functioning" if the majority of infections don't require hospitalization?
Because hospitals work on totals and not on percentages, and they are very much full of the small minority of cases which *do* require hospitalisation.
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Infections are described by a logistic curve. If you're in the bottom part of the curve it's essentially an exponential.
When you multiply an exponential by a fraction you just shift it to the right. If your critical capacity point is in the top part of the logistic, great! If it's in the bottom part, you're screwed, just a little later than you would otherwise have been.
Since that equation is complicated, depending on health care capacity (which also depends on how many workers get sick), vaccination rate,
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Some have decided to find out as quickly as possible.
Well, on the plus side, the numbers from the US will allow the rest of the world to avoid the same stupid mistake. Maybe. So thanks for that. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
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Nothing new about that. The most of the low points on the US death rate graph are considerably higher than what was considered unacceptably high in my country. I hope they're not locking in a catastrophe, but either way, in a few weeks the rest of the world will have pretty good numbers for poorly controlled Omicron spread in a moderately vaccinated population.
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Indeed. Same here. Interesting times.
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Exponential growth (infection) vs. linear reduction (less hospitalization). Exponential growth always exceeds linear reduction within a short time, unless you reach saturation.
If you assume, for example, that Omicron sends 10 times less people to the ICU, that means it sends the same number to the ICU as Delta about 6.5 days later. Another 2 days later, it is twice the number of people in the ICUs, or would be if there was enough ICU space. There is not. And without ICU space, things get something like 10x
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Indeed. Also it seems that Omicron can re-infect people rather well: https://medicalxpress.com/news... [medicalxpress.com]
It remains to be seen how well Omicron can re-infect somebody that has had Omicron, but things do not look good.
Re: Should be aiming for 3-5 million/day (Score:2)
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Deaths come weeks to months later. Have you even tried to find out how this thing works?
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Yes. COVID is now harmless. We should stop all measures & stop vaccinating now. Freedumb!!!
This is pretty much [imgur.com] the OP's illogic when it comes to covid deaths.
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If you compare the numbers, you will see that as of December 13, 2021 where the ethnicity of the vaccinated were known:
58 percent of the total number of vaccines went to "White" people, who make up 61 percent of the total population 11 percent of the total number of vaccines went to "Black" people, who make up 12 percent of the total population Hispanics actually have been getting vaccinated at a total number greater than their percentage by population. You can look t