US COVID Hospitalizations Hit New Record High, Raising Risks for Patients (npr.org) 238
The omicron-driven surge has sent COVID-19 hospitalizations skyrocketing across the U.S., reaching a new pandemic high this week with 145,982 patients hospitalized. From a report: This exceeds the previous high recorded in January last year, according to data tracked by the Department of Health and Human Services, from more than 5,400 hospitals in the country. Patients with COVID now fill about 30% of ICU beds in the nation and pediatric COVID hospitalizations are also at the highest rate of the pandemic. The record-breaking numbers are a sign of just how quickly the omicron variant has swept across the country. Overall, infections are also at record levels, with the U.S. averaging more than 700,000 new cases a day. And researchers and health workers warn that the crowded conditions could be leading to a rise in avoidable deaths, as clinicians struggle to provide the level of care they would normally. "Things are looking grim and substantially worse in many ways than even just a year ago," says Dr. Doug White, a critical care physician at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.
CDC, you are 14x more likely to do die unvaccinate (Score:2, Informative)
d most of the deaths are unvaccinated [cdc.gov].
So get the vaccine, don't think drinking your own piss is going to save you. [thedailybeast.com]
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d most of the deaths are unvaccinated [cdc.gov].
So get the vaccine...
Not disagreeing with you, but all of that data is pre-Omicron. So it doesn't show what you claim it shows.
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Depends on where you live. My state is currently overwhelmed. [twitter.com] FEMA sent Navy doctors to help already. [wthr.com]
12% ICU beds available, 37% in use from CV19 - this is actually an improvement, it was under 10% a week ago. [in.gov]
Omicron is sweeping in, but that doesn't make Delta or anything else just disappear. Hospitalizations are dead even with the same time in 2020.
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12% is too few. A healthy ICU has about 30% free beds. At 12%, for example cancer patients will have their surgeries moved and quite a few of them will die because of that. Also, one large accident and some people will die simply because the ICU is full.
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>fire healthcare workers in the middle of a healthcare crisis
They fired 125 (equivalent of 61 full time employees) of their 36,000 health care workers because "Indiana University Health has put the safety and well-being of patients and team members first"
https://fox59.com/news/coronav... [fox59.com]
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They weren't healthcare workers. They were insubordinate plague rats.
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The unvaccinated (at least in my state) are approximately 4x more likely to be hospitalized for/with COVID than the vaccinated. I don’t have statistics for unvaccinated being hospitalized *with* COVID, but on the vaccinated side it is over 50%. Based on ICU/ventilator statistics, it is unlikely that more than 30% of unvaccinated people are being admitted *with* COVID.
Meanwhile... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's half the nation under this continuing impression that it's on its last legs and going to be gone any second now.
Exactly the same sentiment held in 2020.
I say you can't stop active prevention efforts until there's been ZERO new cases in the nation for at least two weeks.
I think we've learned by now that it's not that hard to wear a mask indoors. It doesn't hurt your breathing, you can communicate just fine with clear intention and effort - and it's a worthwhile priority.
We've had many pandemics in history - it's worth working together to get past them. Unfortunately, we've had a political streak working especially hard this time to fight any effort against the pandemic - usually those influences fade a bit more when we reach this point in a pandemic.
If you're desperate for the pandemic times to end - there's a way to end it. By not taking steps that tend to spread it. Refusing prevention steps is how it gets the virus population to mutate and start the pandemic over again.
Preventing more variants is also the best way to maximize the economy, by the way.
Ryan Fenton
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I say you can't stop active prevention efforts until there's been ZERO new cases in the nation for at least two weeks.
Wow - That's a pretty tall order.
One method to to attain zero new cases is to stop testing, which has problems of its own. Considering there is news that the future is liable to mean living with COVID like we live with the flu, testing and expecting zero cases is impossible....
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One method to to attain zero new cases is to stop testing, which has problems of its own.
Obviously it is not. You want to be sarcastic?
The correct way is to test everyone. Lock down everything around a positive case.
And test everyone daily.
And finally take a long breath out when you have indeed no positive case for 14 days.
But: non one of you agrees to the correct way. Because of "freedoms".
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One method to to attain zero new cases is to stop testing, which has problems of its own.
Obviously it is not. You want to be sarcastic?
Yes, I was being sarcastic. But I maintain it was a tall order.
The correct way is to test everyone. Lock down everything around a positive case.
And test everyone daily.
And finally take a long breath out when you have indeed no positive case for 14 days.
But: non one of you agrees to the correct way. Because of "freedoms".
I will presume you aren't pointing at me with your words.
Considering COVID came from somewhere I have to presume it could return from somewhere.
That said, way back when this started the word "essential" applied to workers was a too broadly defined to meet your recipe. I'm not suggesting that I have the correct answer... and hindsight is what it is.
Where I work, we're testing often and no matter who I call there are not enough tests to go around.
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I say you can't stop active prevention efforts until there's been ZERO new cases in the nation for at least two weeks.
I think we've learned by now that it's not that hard to wear a mask indoors. It doesn't hurt your breathing, you can communicate just fine with clear intention and effort - and it's a worthwhile priority.
I've been working in an office with 100 other people since last March - no masks, no vaccine mandate - and there has not been one single case. None. Zero.
Wuflu isn't going away. How long do you want to live like this?
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I've been working in an office with 100 other people since last March - no masks, no vaccine mandate - and there has not been one single case. None. Zero.
It's a fucking miracle. Only one explanation:you are working with 100 people as antisocial as me.
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If by office you mean mom's basement then yes I agree.
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Are you sure all of your office mates have integrity and will share when they get sick? If not, all you can say is you haven't had any confirmed, reported cases.
Have you been tracking cases in family members of your office mates? If not, all you can say is you aren't sure what role having your office open served in spreading the virus to others.
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And?
A friend of mine was on a Silvester party. Two weeks ago. 10 people.
One had Covid an was asymptotic. He infected 7. So a week after the party 8 of those 10 are sick.
All except him are having serious symptoms - none in hospital as far as I know, yet. Ah, and all but one vaccinated 2x
If a random freak comes into your shop you easily get a huge deal of infected co workers, good luck with your "not my problem" attitude.
BTW: it is not a Flu, in case you missed the memo the last 2 years.
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We will never, ever be at 0 cases.
You might as well try stamping out the common cold or the flu.
Honestly the variants are probably a good thing in the long run, provided they follow the same evolutionary path as every other virus in existence: more easily transmissible, but less severe.
Can you think of any reason why that might not be the case; any reason at all?
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provided they follow the same evolutionary path as every other virus in existence: more easily transmissible, but less severe. /. myth, or an American myth. No idea. Probably a myth of your education system.
There is no such evolutionary path.
It is a
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I say you can't stop active prevention efforts until there's been ZERO new cases in the nation for at least two weeks.
Not only is this a fools errand it will NEVER happen in any of our lifetimes.
You can't stop the spread. You can't stop everyone from being exposed to Omicron in the next weeks and months. At best all you can do is "bend the curve" slightly to alleviate any temporary localized strain on hospitals.
I think we've learned by now that it's not that hard to wear a mask indoors. It doesn't hurt your breathing, you can communicate just fine with clear intention and effort - and it's a worthwhile priority.
Why? For what purpose? Why is it worthwhile when nearly everyone is guaranteed to be exposed in short order and after that repeatedly throughout their lives? What specifically is to be gained by hiding forever
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> Unless you hunt down every critter in the woods and strap an n95 on it
Don't worry, it's part of Biden's "Jobs Program".
Is anyone surprised? (Score:3)
Deaths are also climbing as a result. Over 1,600 died yesterday, compared to an average of just over 1,200 last week. With the holiday surge kicking into overdrive, expect 2,000+ dead each day in the next week or so, at which point we'll get to hear the fasicist whine President Biden isn't stopping covid. The same people who said when President Biden took office covid would miraculously go away [businessinsider.com].
It's almost as if these same people are doing their level best to keep the deaths coming for political purposes.
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> a free vaccine which is known to prevent deaths or serious illness, this shouldn't be a surprise.
It does more than that. It stops you from getting COVID-19, it stops you from spreading it and tests show it's 90% effective with 1 dose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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It's almost as if these same people are doing their level best to keep the deaths coming for political purposes.
Looking at the politics of the mostly unvaccinated people dying I'd say they are not terribly bright if that is an actual strategy.
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The current administration is doing all that's possible to get Covid under control, short of martial law. The main push against fighting Covid is coming from the party of Trump. It's gotten so bad that they won't even listen to Trump when he recommends getting vaccinated. If 90% of people had gotten vaccinated when first eligible, it would have never
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The Republicans are against mandates, not the vaccine.
Trump got booed by Republicans for touting the vaccine while discouraging mandates, so it is pretty clear that Republicans are against both (and the vaccination rates demonstrate it).
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Re: Is anyone surprised? (Score:3)
Is the GP wrong? Fact is, Trump has lost control of the monsters he cultivated.
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Serious question: who do you think you're swaying with terms like "goat paste"? The people you claim to want to persuade know you're lying and the people who would otherwise agree with you are now distancing themselves.
How exactly is it a lie? There are people doing exactly that as well as taking other forms of ivermectin not intended for internal human use.
What's the solution? (Score:2)
That is only part of the story (Score:2)
Omicron has been around long enough that we can see it is more infectious but less lethal than previous dominant strains. It originated in Southern Africa and peaked there a few weeks ago, day-to-day infection rates in the UK have been dropping since the end of December. What is strange in that context is that the rate in France is currently 50% higher than in the UK, I don't know enough of the details to have a clue as to why.
Back to the UK, the death rate is still rocketing and will probably continue to
Evangelical idiots (Score:2)
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If we had only ingested Mr Clean and shoved UV blacklight bulbs up our asses like the stable genius had told us to, we'd be so tired of winning by now.
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He created the best vaccine ever and was booed for it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
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Hey Archie! Did you know that all your post be genocide? I read it on the internet.
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Can you clarify your statement?
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Dear Leader: Damn it, that virus is going to sink my re-election. Tell everyone it will be gone by spring.
Flunkie: But what if it isn't.
Dear Leader: Tell them it will be gone by summer.
Flunkie: The CDC and NiH sez we need vaccines to counter the virus.
Dear Leader: Whatever. Can they get them ready by Election Day?
Flunkie: Dunno, might be tight squeeze.
Dear Leader: Well, if we can get close enough, we'll tell everyone they'll be a'comin; 'round the corner when they come.
Flunkie: Wow, you really are a stable
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If we had only ingested Mr Clean
If you can forget for just a moment that Trump said to inject bleach (which he didn't), his statement from way back sounds interestingly like this nasal spray that blocks covid transmission [gizmodo.com]. Of course, if he's said something like "Maybe we could develop some kind of nasal spray that blocks covid...", you all would have said he told everyone to snort glue, or some other childish bullshit. A quarter of the way through the Biden Regime and you people still can't get over it.
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"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
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I'm sorry, but the President of the United States standing up there and publicly pontificating with a toddler-level understanding of medicine is exactly as bad as we think it is. There's such a thing as lacking medical education, but this goes way beyond that. The problem is that we all know, from his other statements, that he thinks that gems of wisdom, that have not occurred to all the people with advanced degrees studying this, are coming out of his mouth. He actually thinks that he's a genius and he kn
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Thank you for succinctly stating people should never take Republicans seriously again, seeing as how they are the biggest purveyors of lies out there.
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Ya, our guys are lying skunks, but those other guys. . .
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At least when the right tells me I'm gonna burn in hell forever, they actually believe it. The left just makes shit up in the hopes that it sticks or they can bully people into toeing the line. By the time the evidence comes out at trial, they've already moved onto the next narrative.
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Thank you for confirming that Trump did not, in fact, suggest injecting bleach.
How exactly do you interpret "...something like that by injection inside..." as not suggesting taking it by injection? If you're claiming that injection means something else, can't anyone who says "Trump said to inject disinfectant" be using that same alternate meaning? Or are you being tricky and it's the bleach part that you mean that he never said because he said "disinfectant" and some people are being more specific and saying "bleach"?
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1) He was asking techs/nerds a question. From the context, it was impossible for him to suggest anything to the public, because he's trying to get the techs/nerds to suggest something.
That's something that a "stable genius" should do in private before a press conference, not improvise in the middle of one. Dismissing it as him just trying to get the experts to suggest one is just a game of semantics. He was publicly suggesting that people inject disinfectant internally, even if he was making that suggestion to some experts. It was a moronic thing to do and deeply worthy of both ridicule and a deep sense of dread that the person saying this was actually in charge of the Executive branch o
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Excuse everyone, disinfectant
Re:Fake news! (Score:4, Insightful)
Excuse everyone, disinfectant
There is a substantial difference between, "Maybe some kind of disinfectant ... we should look into that" and "Everybody go inject bleach".
I'm not saying my dear leader didn't say a lot of weird shit (because he sure did), but stating that Trump told people to drink/inject bleach is a lie, and immediately discredits anyone who says it. There isn't even any uncertainty to this. It is on video.
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Excuse everyone, disinfectant
There is a substantial difference between, "Maybe some kind of disinfectant ... we should look into that" and "Everybody go inject bleach".
I'm not saying my dear leader didn't say a lot of weird shit (because he sure did), but stating that Trump told people to drink/inject bleach is a lie, and immediately discredits anyone who says it. There isn't even any uncertainty to this. It is on video.
You sir are on the cusp of proving something - Here's what ya gotta do.
Go inject disinfectant, please. Then if you survive, come back, and I will say - That is the exact disinfectant that the greatst president ever was speaking of!"
You see sparky, your wordsmithing is pointless. A distinction without a difference.
Disinfectants are by their very nature - toxic to humans, doubly so if a person actually injects them into their bloodstream. But you need to look up the one that you know the most stable
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That's a lot of words to avoid admitting "he didn't tell anyone to drink bleach, it was a lie"
Funny - A cunt Anonymous Coward is playing word Nazzy.
And you can't even get that right little punk So anyhow - what he did say apparently was a good idea? What's your point wee one? Since you've got a rageboner worrying about terminology. Yes, Bleach is a disinfectant. No matter what your one functioning brain cell thinks.
Now go seize the day.
Your's in Christ Jesus, Uncle Ol.
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The disinfectant Trump was referring to is light. It is a legit procedure. They "inject" something down into your lungs, and then shine light inside your lungs.
Trump did not tell anybody to this, he just suggested that maybe it could be done.
From the transcript:
"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said y
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Since when is disinfectant ever used to cure anything?
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More to the point, if Dear Leader had ingested Mr. Clean shoved UV blacklight bulbs up his ass like being a stable genius would do, we wouldn't be tired of winning just yet, a bit more laughter never hurt anyone.
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To be fair, there would be fewer people in hospital now if everyone had done that a year ago....
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If we had only ingested Mr Clean and shoved UV blacklight bulbs up our asses like the stable genius had told us to, we'd be so tired of winning by now.
Sounds like something from Pornhub?
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The interesting thought that I heard yesterday was that while Omicron has milder symptoms overall, the 3-4x transmissibility could negate that as far as the health care system goes. Using numbers made up on the spot - if you are 50% less likely to end up in the hospital from Omicron, but you have 2x the cases, you end up around the same amount of people in the hospital.
Clearly things are different this time around, but it's an interesting thing to think about. Hopefully we end up with a whole lot less peo
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7 day moving average of deaths is now over 1,600 per day.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-da... [cdc.gov]
It will continue to rise very quickly for a week, maybe two; there is generally a 2 week delay between case spikes and corresponding death trends.
Click on the Cases and Deaths lines for the graphs.
My call, deaths will go over 2,500 per day on a 7 day moving average. Around 1/20-25/2022. That's low ball in my opinion.
Things will go down very quickly, this is the massive rush of the unvaccinated all getting it. The ti
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You linked to an opinion piece. A CNN Anchor and TV doctor disagree with the CDC reporting methods. How about we call up Dr. Phil next?
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You linked to an opinion piece. A CNN Anchor and TV doctor disagree with the CDC reporting methods. How about we call up Dr. Phil next?
They are not wrong and even Fauci himself recently had to explain the difference.
The CDC data makes no distinction between hospitalization caused by covid and hospitalization with incidental diagnosis of covid. In some areas like New York the number of incidental admissions for reasons unrelated to covid testing positive for covid are the majority.
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The CDC data makes no distinction between hospitalization caused by covid and hospitalization with incidental diagnosis of covid.
And the goal of this massive conspiracy you uncovered is...?
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And the goal of this massive conspiracy you uncovered is...?
There is no conspiracy. It's simply a matter of the public understanding what the statistics are and are not saying.
What most of the public seems to want to know is how many are being hospitalized because of covid. The CDC figures simply don't provide that information.
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It's simply a matter of the public understanding what the statistics are and are not saying.
Then learn to read statistics. I explain it to you.
I) a statistic showing you how many people have Covid right now. That statistic is simply explaining to you: how many people have Covid right now. it is as Simple as that.
II) a statistic showing you the growth and shrinks of infected people day by day, week by week, year by year. That statistic shows you how many people gain and lose Covid day by day, week by week, y
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I) a statistic showing you how many people have Covid right now. That statistic is simply explaining to you: how many people have Covid right now. it is as Simple as that.
No, case statistics show people testing positive not the people who have covid. Cases are a subset of infections. People with covid is much higher than the cases.
II) a statistic showing you the growth and shrinks of infected people day by day, week by week, year by year. That statistic shows you how many people gain and lose Covid day by day, week by week, year by year. It is as Simple as that.
No, not only does it say nothing about the people who "lose covid" a reduction of new cases is not a loss of covid. And again cases are a subset of infections (people with covid). Cases do not show the number of people being infected. It reflects a subset of that number infected.
III) s statistic that shows you how many people die from covid, aka Covid is either the root cause or contributing so much, that it makes no sense to digg deeper to point out the liver failure or kidney failure "due to Covid". That statistic is rather simple, too: it shows you how many people died to Covid. It is as Simple as that.
IIII) The statistic, and that is perhaps the controversial one, which shows you the people who died WITH Covid. That covers everyone who is recorded under
What do cases and deaths have to do with my remarks?
What I said w
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The CDC data makes no distinction between hospitalization caused by covid and hospitalization with incidental diagnosis of covid.
Every western country does.
At that is:
a) demanded by the WHO
b) common sense
So no idea why you think your CDC does not.
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Every western country does.
At that is:
a) demanded by the WHO
b) common sense
So no idea why you think your CDC does not.
There are multiple datasets. The one we see everywhere in press that is saying hospitalizations are increasing:
Titled: Prevalent hospitalizations of patients with confirmed covid-19
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-da... [cdc.gov]
**DOES NOT** make any distinction between hospitalization with covid and because of covid. It is simply a count of people hospitalized with a positive covid test. The CDC director herself has admitted on national television 40% of admissions covid is an incidental finding.
Other datasets do acco
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This is true, but it still has an impact on the hospitals. Hospitals need to treat the patient just as they would any other infections COVID patient, which creates a strain on isolation rooms and causes risk to hospital staff.
It is an independent issue from the outcome of the patients, but hopefully is mitigated by a shorter average stay duration.
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We know the CDC is currently reporting hospitalizations for people both who are there because of Covid symptoms, and also those who are there for her reasons but as CNN said, just happen to have Covid [theblaze.com].
Thing is, if you are there for say, appendicitis, but just happen to have COVID, you have to be treated with all the extra containment protocols, PPE, etc as any COVID patient, because unlike your appendicitis, you can spread it to other patients in the hospital who do not have COVID and for whom it might be a much bigger threat. It creates a significant additional burden to your treatment to ensure the safety of others, and is detrimental to the system as a whole.
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Thing is, if you are there for say, appendicitis, but just happen to have COVID, you have to be treated with all the extra containment protocols, PPE, etc as any COVID patient, because unlike your appendicitis, you can spread it to other patients in the hospital who do not have COVID and for whom it might be a much bigger threat. It creates a significant additional burden to your treatment to ensure the safety of others, and is detrimental to the system as a whole.
No it doesn't.
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Oh,
you can spread your appendix problem to others?
Then you are very much more dangerous than I thought.
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As we know, vaccinations are far from 100%. But in a recent study waiting peer review i
Slashdot with SuperKendall (Score:2)
As usual you say things without backing them up, without providing links to research, with a healthy dose of appeal to authority, with the only reference to an opinion piece which itself has zero authority.
There is only one fundamental constant in the world: If a COVID story exists, SuperKendall will play it down with his usual bullshit.
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Just because winter hospitalization increases are routine doesn't automatically mean *every* winter increase is normal. This one is anything but routine; in fact 555 thousand people in hospital nationwide [hhs.gov] is a record-breaking figure. 46 states have 70% bed utilization or higher -- including states with mild winters like Florida and California, and even Hawaii is running at 78% of full. And this situation has developed in the last two weeks, during which hospitalizations have doubled.
What is the *parsimon
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We know the CDC is currently reporting hospitalizations for people both who are there because of Covid symptoms, and also those who are there for her reasons but as CNN said, just happen to have Covid [theblaze.com].
Nope.
What we know is:
a) that does not make any sense
b) hence it is not plausible at all
For what fucking purpose would one record a guy who needs a heart surgery - or what ever - as a COVID ICU case, when the fact is that he has COVID, and is not in the ICU? While it is is completely irrelevant a
Re:As reported yesterday: (Score:5, Informative)
"The crisis from the Omicron peak is not generated by serious COVID illness in regions with highly vaxxed populations,
And just so we're clear about the whole vaccination thing:
But fewer people are hospitalized with COVID today in California compared with this time last year. And, especially in highly vaccinated areas, few of those patients are actually in the hospital because of COVID illness. In LA, where 71% of eligible people are fully vaccinated, two-thirds of hospital cases were caught on screening for the virus, the LA Times reported.
Would you like to know more?
Re:As reported yesterday: (Score:4, Funny)
What we don't know is how many people will get long COVID. Hopefully it's low, because aside from being horrible, our economies are going to have a big problem with millions unable to work.
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After reviewing the charts of every COVID-positive patient at UCSF hospitals on Jan. 4, Dr. Jeanne Noble, an associate professor of emergency medicine at UCSF, determined that 70% of them were in the hospital for other reasons.” Also: Head of COVID response for UCSF's ER dept.: 'I have not intubated a single COVID patient during this Omicron surge'
Silly question that I honestly don't know the answer to... wouldn't the intubation be done after the patient is transferred to the ICU? Ya know, out of the ER dept's purview? In which case it's not all that surprising that an ER doc could make that claim without it meaning a whole lot.
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Here in Iceland, we now get a weekly detailed breakdown.
Hospitalized due to COVID: 29
Delta: 11
_unvaccinated: 9
_vaccinated: 2
_boosted: 0
Omicron: 10
_unvaccinated: 2
_vaccinated: 2
boosted: 6
Unknown strain: 8
_unknown: 1
_unvaccinated: 0
_vaccinated: 2
boosted: 5
Hospitalized with COVID (not the primary cause): 5
Delta: 1
_unvaccinated: 0
_vaccinated: 0
_boosted: 1
Omicron: 3
_unvaccinated: 0
_vaccinated: 0
_boosted: 3
Unknown strain: 1
_vaccinated: 1
_unvaccinated: 0
_boosted: 0
Hospitalized with an unclear balance of causes:
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ED: Due to *Omicron's* high growth rate.
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In the U.S. we have privacy laws that prevent release of information like you posted. All we get is "X number of people dead, Y number of people hospitalized". Not even age breakdowns. Age, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, and existing conditions would be REALLY helpful things to know.
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The "Covid Count" Narrative is Being Changed in REAL TIME - Viva Frei Vlawg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Oh, and that can't be challenged in court because we can't overturn in court any foregone conclusions the media pronounces on us about election outcomes.
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I'm specifically looking for information about the claim, and not your opinion about the source of the claim. All claims should be assessed and countered - that's the only way to sort out the truth and change peoples' minds. Throwing shade on the source only makes people trust you less.
Waste your time on that please.
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You should also ask yourself this:
What percentage of the population has 4 or more co-morbidities regardless of Covid status?
I'm guessing it's not that low.
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comorbidities
Now that gain of function hasn't been in the news we need a new conservative talking point. comorbidities. How many people have uttered that word in their entire lives before a month ago?
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The simplest answer is the number of excess deaths during the pandemic. Just google excess deaths.
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Not true. This is a clever false implication. If you're overweight (a COVID co-morbidity) and I shoot you in the head, does that mean you died *with*
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I recently heard that 2/3 of the Covid deaths had 6 comorbidities, and that almost all of the deaths had 4 or more.
This was debunked within a day, and Fox News debunked it before Tucker Carlson repeated the false claim. [msn.com]
Maybe stop repeating random things you heard.
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I recently heard that 2/3 of the Covid deaths had 6 comorbidities, and that almost all of the deaths had 4 or more. The overall result was that only 6% of fatalities were deaths *due* to Covid, as opposed to deaths *with* Covid.
If you'd ever seen a death certificate, you'd know the answer. If you die of cancer, your death certificate will probably read something like this:
Died of: Cardiac Arrest
Brought on by: Pulmonary Failure
Brought on by: Metastasized Cancer
If you die of COVID, it's probably going to read something like this:
Died of: Cardiac Arrest
Brought on by: Pulmonary Failure
Brought on by: Pneumonia
Brought on by: COVID-19
Almost everyone is going to have several comorbidities on their death certificate. That's the standard pr
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I recently heard that 2/3 of the Covid deaths had 6 comorbidities, and that almost all of the deaths had 4 or more.
Those statistics are for vaccinated people. [snopes.com] They show the effectiveness of vaccines - if you're vaccinated, you're basically guaranteed not to die from covid unless you were super ill to begin with. That doesn't apply to unvaccinated people, who are likely to suffer serious illness or death even with zero comorbidities.
It's interesting that you claim to be "trying to follow the science", but the numbers in your comment are from a fake news meme most prominently spread by Donald Trump Jr...
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I recently heard that 2/3 of the Covid deaths had 6 comorbidities, and that almost all of the deaths had 4 or more. The overall result was that only 6% of fatalities were deaths *due* to Covid, as opposed to deaths *with* Covid.
I haven't the foggiest idea how those two statements are supposed to be connected.
My first question is, is this true? If not, what is the real numerical difference between death "from covid" versus death "with covid"? I'm specifically looking for information about the claim, and not your opinion about the source of the claim. All claims should be assessed and countered - that's the only way to sort out the truth and change peoples' minds. Throwing shade on the source only makes people trust you less.
Is what true? What source? That 6% number that you pulled from nowhere?
Yeah, yeah - everyone can cite the possible consequences, and drum up a piquant and heartfelt story of someone with Covid, but what are the actual numbers? In a mathematical sense, what outcome should we bet on and can you back that up with data?
I don't want to spent an afternoon hunting through google, but if vaccines didn't reduce the net risk for younger cohorts they wouldn't have been approved.
And if someone can find good numbers to contradict that they should call the media, because that's a major story and would lead to a change in recommendations for those groups.
I'm asking because it *seems* like we should be minimizing risk, and not minimizing transmission. With the Omicron variant and lots of vaccine hesitancy, it's likely that a) everyone will eventually get it regardless of what we do, and b) we'll never be fully rid of it anyway.
Possibly, but without vaccin
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2020 had approximately 500k deaths over expected (which already has a buffer built into it).
It seems like a very large stretch to say those deaths aren't from COVID-19.
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Yes all the hospitals are lying. Bravo for seeing through it.
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Has anyone been able to successfully report their home antigen test positive results to their state?
Why would you even want to? I literally do not know whether I have ever had the flu. I've been quite sick a few times in my life and assumed I had the flu because I felt miserable and spent a week or more in bed consuming hardly anything other than jello and chicken broth or soup. But I never took a flu test because it never occurred to me to have such a thing at home (if they even exist) and despite feeling miserable I knew that I didn't need medical care. If I had ever been sick enough that I needed medic