As Inflation Heats Up, 64% of Americans Are Now Living Paycheck To Paycheck (cnbc.com) 247
As daily life gets more expensive, workers are having a harder time making ends meet. From a report: While wage growth is high by historical standards, it isn't keeping up with the increased cost of living, which is growing at the fastest annual pace in about four decades. "Wages are up 5.1% over the past year, which is trailing the pace of inflation," said Bankrate.com senior economic analyst Mark Hamrick. "Indeed, surging prices are stealing the show on the minds of consumers." When wages rise at a slower pace than inflation, those paychecks won't go as far at the grocery store and at the gas pump -- two areas of the budget that are getting particularly squeezed. At the start of 2022, 64% of the U.S. population was living paycheck to paycheck, up from 61% in December and just shy of the high of 65% in 2020, according to a LendingClub report.
Yea, you don't have to look hard (Score:2)
to see that everything costs more than it did even a few months ago. For example, I got an APC UPS for my office, it was $140 7 months ago, now it's $180 - but, some things are less, like a $500 emergency-purchased AP is now $400.
Some of this is parts shortages maybe, but a lot of it is opportunism (say, Netflix raising the base rate to $15.50 where I am just because). Groceries have, in general, come down a little bit from pandemic highs but not far enough. I'm not sure who is getting 5% raises either,
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Netflix price hikes are getting out of hand. I'm seriously considering cancelling at this point. It's the cost of TWO streaming services now for me.
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That's how it should work. It's not "opportunism", at least in any pejorative sense, or "gouging". You charge people what they will pay - that's how you sell shit. Pretty simple concept. If people stop being willing to pay, prices go down.
I may join you, now that you mention it, and shut down a few of my more expensive streaming platforms. There's such a glut of content it's not like I'll be staring at a blank screen if I cancel Netflix.
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You may think you don't need fertiliser, but you probably do if you eat grains-based foods. Check out the graph:
https://www.dtnpf.com/agricult... [dtnpf.com]
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Netflix. I'm going to switch to every-other month for Netflix. It's the one service we have kept all the time (that and Prime), getting others for a month or two (Paramount for example), swapping them in and out.
My Netflix went up to $20 just last Friday. Cancelling for next billing cycle. Then back in a month or whenever a show we want to watch is released.
So I'll end up paying Netflix less over the course of the year, for 6-8 months rather than the full year. And it will seem fresher as well.
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I have seen steak prices stay high, but they're sometimes more reasonable if you shop around. Just the off the shelf stuff at the grocery store is like 2x what it was pre-pandemic though - still.
The problem is housing (Score:2)
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The problem is the people who enjoyed all those subsidies now want to make sure nobody else gets them
That sums up a hell of a lot of problems in America - "I got mines", pull that ladder the fuck up.
It's not just ladder pulling (Score:2)
The subsidies they enjoyed weren't direct payments. Nobody gave the a house or paid half their mortgage. Instead the money was dolled out by a complex series of government programs, so it became easy for them to say "I did all this by myself". And it becomes really, really hard for them to understand why everybody else doesn't just do the same.
As you age it becomes really hard to understand that
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I'm in my early 40s, I don't even know which Gen I belong to because it changes depending on who is picking the dates.
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Little or no new supply is being built
Very expensive houses are extremely profitable right now and are being built all over. No moderately priced or inexpensive houses are being built. The wealthy move into bigger houses, their old house gets sold off to someone a little less wealthy. Until you get to the bottom and the house is condemned, gets demolished and the land sold to a developer for apartment buildings.
My point is that without the gov't stepping in (Score:2)
Without those gov't programs we can kiss affordable ho
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I thought the current inflation was mostly from supply chain interruptions due to the pandemic. Lower production means less stuff to go around, but demand remains the same (or rises), so naturally prices rise.
We also spent a good amount of time paying people to sit around and do nothing, which of course made the supply chain problems worse.
I agree there is also a housing problem. I just don't think that it is THE cause of the current inflation spike. I also agree that there is a cartel problem with too f
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"Pour trillions of borrowed money on the economy to stimulate it!"
"The economy isn't producing enough goods. Inflation is happening."
"Tell 'em that's their problem, not our generous money supply half of the inflation problem."
"But the economy is shut down because you forced that on Covid."
"Go away, you." --- You are here.
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No one else does. Because that's not a thing that ever happened.
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Your inability to read.
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LOL! Now they can more easily see that you can't read.
Inflation? (Score:2)
Government bureaucrats don't own all that much (Score:2)
You do have a point about the rich, who are sometimes politicians and sometimes not. It's pretty clear most of this inflation is just them taking advantage of the situation. We didn't enforce anti-trust law for the last 30 or 40 years, and they finally feel like they can tighten the screws.
There is a little bit of hope. The reason this is happening is that the only requirement for a
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Not an indicator (Score:2)
Wealthy people also live "paycheck to paycheck." Heck even Elon Musk likely lives "paycheck to paycheck." It is OK to keep your monthly "income" at the just-what-is-required level and build net worth via investment growth instead.
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Heck even Elon Musk likely lives "paycheck to paycheck."
I doubt that very much. He may be budgeting really well, but he has billions of dollars from selling his stock.
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Recently, yes.
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If all you cared about is building net worth, sure. But the wealthier you are, the more money you can keep liquid without ever thinking twice about it. In fact, it simplifies quite a few things. By percentage, it's much higher than the average person, but you would keep more than a "paycheck" allowance on hand.
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>Wealthy people also live "paycheck to paycheck." Heck even Elon Musk likely lives "paycheck to paycheck." It is OK to keep your monthly "income" at the just-what-is-required level and build net worth via investment growth instead.
Nope. At least a couple to 12 months of expenses in cash is more like it. I have about 6 and I'm not wealthy. In billionaire's cases I doubt expenses come anywhere near the total cash they must have lying around.
I found this: "The average billionaire only holds 1% of their n
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Wealthy people also live "paycheck to paycheck." Heck even Elon Musk likely lives "paycheck to paycheck."
That is totally bonkers reasoning. The definition of being wealthy is having more money than you need for physical survival. Elon Musk has enough money that he can buy pretty much anything he likes. His paycheck is what he says it is, which must be a nice position to be in.
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Wealthy people also live "paycheck to paycheck." Heck even Elon Musk likely lives "paycheck to paycheck." It is OK to keep your monthly "income" at the just-what-is-required level and build net worth via investment growth instead.
You seem to have trouble understanding written English. "Living paycheck to paycheck" means you have no reserves. The very definition of being wealthy is that you have ample reserves.
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Yeah, the OP has no idea what the story is about. I've never heard anyone describe "saving money" as "living pay-cheque to pay-cheque"
Inflation (Score:2)
“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.” --Milton Friedman
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I appreciate that quote from a notable economist, but I think what we are talking about is that for some years, people have not been able to be as productive as normal. If the people are being paid their wages, but not producing stuff, then that puts up prices. I think we have to face the fact that dealing with a global shutdown of economic activity, due to precautions related to a pandemic, will have financial consequences, and that the ordinary folks around the world will pay for that. I don't actually th
! News for Nerds (Score:2)
TFA is flame bait.
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I don't agree. I think inflation is the natural consequence of reduced productivity. I am in the happy position of being productive while working from home. However, quite a lot of productive occupations can't operate on that basis. What that means is that wages are being paid, but the work is not getting done. This implies that the price of goods goes up, or the wages go down. Inflation.
It is possible that quite a lot of work does not require the old commute to the office routine. This might have economic
Americans are not alone in this... (Score:5, Informative)
... I live in Sweden and I have a decent job as an IT-Support Analyst (basically a call center service for our own company to support our own co-workers).
But we're all noticing it, it's so bad that we're talking a double-up for just about everything.
1) about 2 years ago, It would cost me HALF as much to purchase my regular groceries as it did today. Our stores are blaming gas prices and one store owner said that he was horrified to find that transportation of his groceries has increased between 500-600%.
2) Electricity prices have SOARED, quite literally. A tomato farmer here in Sweden said that his electricity bill this year was trippled, at 3x the cost of electricity I can't continue my farm he said. Some person also noted in a prominent country wide newspaper that he paid 50K SEK (roughly 5128 USD) just for December alone, and that was his family home.
3) Gas prices have sky rocketed here too, we now pay around 23 SEK for Regular and 27 SEK for Diesel per liter, for you Americans that'd be roughly 9 USD for regular per gallon, and 10,5 USD per gallon).
And our salaries are regulated by unions, usually -2 to +2% depending on individual negotiation per year, and doesn't come nowhere NEAR our current salaries. Housing prices have gone to the moon as well, a starter home for a young budding family is kind of a pipe dream now.
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Housing is definitely an issue there; too many interest only or low repayment loans propped up house prices and there's some bubble fears, although if I recall that was many years ago and I'm not sure how it is now.
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I hadn't even thought of that, but yeah... all those indoor farming operations are screwed if the price of electricity doubles or triples. They're only marginally profitable growing vegetables indoors as it is, and the price of sunlight hasn't gone up. Even if transport goes up for traditional farming I imagine the constant electricity cost is a much higher percentage of expenses for something like a container farm using UV lights.
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"You will own nothing, and be happy."
Awww, someone using a quote---taken utterly out of context from a talk, then blown up into yet another idiotic conservative conspiracy freak-out---as... what? Some pedagogical, rhetorical point?
It was a good point when it was made in the original presentation, though utterly diametrically opposed to the way conservatives /think/ it was used. Ironically, they've destroyed its power as a good point by continuing to mis-use it today.
Well done. Carry on.
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Europe pays the most,
They really love their taxes.
while US gas and war making industries simply profits.
As opposed to Rosneft, Gazprom, LukOil, etc? Ukraine used to be a major gas producer. Before it's largest fields in Crimea were taken over. It also had a gas pipeline system capable of supporting EU demand. That will be a Russian system shortly.
Come on, Vladimir. You are no different than the USA.
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Versus Putin, who waged unprovoked war on Ukraine? Who by all appearances has his eye on eastern EU countries next?
Tell us more, Vladimir.
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And yet Vladimir was profiting a lot less.
Have you seen the pictures of Putin's palace? Biden will not do so well. Nor 'Insider' Pelosi. Now add to that the serious bank that his buddies the oligarchs are making (made, assuming we can close their bank accounts and seize their yachts).
Yeah, dollar for dollar, Boeing, Lockheed and others will bring in far more. But that will be distributed to the shareholders (CalPERS, etc.). Ain't socialism grand?
Living at the edge of your paycheque (Score:2)
If single digit inflation drives you into living cheque-to-cheque, I think you were probably living that way before... you just got to participate in that shared illusion that a tiny buffer is vastly better than no buffer. It's only a tiny bit better.
I think the story here isn't about the 3% being pushed into perceived fiscal peril... it's that 61% of folks live that way before the inflation really got moving.
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From TFA:
Even among those earning six figures, 48% said they are now living paycheck to paycheck, up from 42% in December, the survey of more than 2,600 adults found.
Yeah, looks like Petersko's right. If you're in financial distress while making six figures, it's probably your own fault.
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I live in a household making six figures, and we've got 6 months of mortgage in a savings account just in case of emergency, and that much again in an emergency fund for other contingencies. If we both lose our jobs today we're good for 6 months without breaking a sweat, and might be able to squeeze out 9 months to a year.
If only one person loses their job, we're good for a year at minimum.
But unlike our coworkers, we don't go off on annual tropical vacations during the winter, we don't have multiple luxury
One Study, Not Particularly Robust (Score:3)
This is market research being thinly veiled as social justice.
Here's the study summary: https://ir.lendingclub.com/new... [lendingclub.com]
You can download the full report here: https://www.pymnts.com/wp-cont... [pymnts.com]
Methodology: The Paycheck-To-Paycheck Report is based on a census-balanced survey of 2,633 complete responses from U.S. consumers conducted from Jan. 11 to Jan. 18, 2022, as well as an analysis of other economic data. So, 0.00075% of the national population was surveyed.
Page 4/5 shows that they're basically covering the pandemic era (Mar 17, 2020 - Jan 11, 2022) and for the most part, "paycheck to paycheck status overtime" hasn't really changed. In fact, if I were to copy/paste the data, I'm almost certain a linear regression would show a slight downward trend (fewer living p-to-p).
Page 7 shows that the less annual income you have, the more likely you are to live p-to-p. Literally zero surprise there.
Page 10 is hilarious. It shows that in Jan 2022, only 36.5% of those making >$100k/year are able to pay their bills and (page 15) 14.4% of that same population would resort to a payday loan, deposit advance, or overdrafting their checking account if they were faced with an emergency expense.
Page 15 shows what I think is the reason this particular organization (THE LENDING CLUB) did the study. It shows that those who DO NOT live paycheck to paycheck, in all income levels, would pay for an emergency expense using a credit card 34%-45% of the time with 7.3% - 8.5% paying it off over time (interest $$$).
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Good to know there's someone else out there that clicks through to the study...though the pymnts.com one has fake email-subscribe-wall. The part I do not understand is this "... living paycheck to paycheck and able to pay their bills increased to 42% in January 2022, rising from 39% in December 2021, while 22% of paycheck-to-paycheck consumers still struggled to pay their monthly bills. I would have thought that struggling to pay your bills was living paycheck to paycheck so if you are not having prob
And this is suddenly news? (Score:2)
Living from paycheque to paycheque is the status quo, is it not?
I mean, it's not ideal, obviously... but I was under the impression that was entirely normal since the mid 1970's or so.
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I just INCREASED how many Americans live on the edge. It's even higher when you talk about a major medical emergency.
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Correction: "IT just INCREASED how many Americans live on the edge. It's even higher when you talk about a major medical emergency."
How long? (Score:2)
Well, stop electing warmongers (Score:2)
You created your own country.
Suck it up princesses.
There is no inflation (Score:2)
There is no inflation, that's just misinformation from Fox News.
And if there is inflation it's temporary.
And if it's not temporary it's small and you can afford it, so quit your bitching, you fat 'murican climate terrorist.
And if it's not small or temporary it's Trump/Putin/Capitalism/Republican's fault and the solution is more spending.
Sinfest comic was on point today (Score:2)
https://sinfest.xyz/view.php?date=2022-03-10
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Russia isn't going to join Biden's sanctions against Russia? It must be really dark in Mango Mussolini's hobbit hole.
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Next thing you know those sneaky nazi bastards in Ukraine will install a Jewish president. 5d level chess move right there.
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Amusing, isn't it, how woke American and European snowflakes who think they are against racism hate all Russians and everything to do with Russia? (As well as all Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians, Libyans, Syrians, Yemenis, Somalis, Sudanese, Venzuelans, Chinese, Yugoslavs, etc. etc....)
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Your bullshit is out-of-date. The right are pro-Russia, and have been for years.
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Are you just not paying any attention?
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China, Russia, India, etc aren't going to join Biden's sanctions
The sanctions against Russia, that the rest of the world decided were necessary?
Is there a contest for stupidest post? I missed the announcements this morning, shit.
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It may be news to you, but sleepy Joe is not "the rest of the world".
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China, Russia, India, etc aren't going to join Biden's sanctions,
Am I suppose to take anything you say seriously at this point? How, exactly, does a country implement sanctions against itself?
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Well, Russia did just ban exports of commodities and raw materials...
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US gas prices are low compared to most of the rest of the world.
Keep saying that.
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It keeps being true.
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No, because the EU heavily taxes the petrochemical industry. The US doesn't subsidize to a great extent. That you'll find in Iran, Venezuela, and other countries that need to bribe their citizenry. That's where it is still pennies per gallon.
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Very true. But on the other hand, you can feel virtuous. Isn't that worth it?
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Every time gas prices go up this much in this short of a time, we end up with a big recession shortly after. China, Russia, India, etc aren't going to join Biden's sanctions, so they're going to enjoy low gas prices while we get to enjoy a recession. How dumb is this? It's like punching yourself in the face when the school bully starts beating up some other random kid in the playground.
FJB.
Actually they have observed US sanctions in the past against N-Korea and Iran and they will do so again now because they can't afford to lose access to the dollar and euro clearance mechanisms. Together the ASEAN and EU constitute something like 30% of China's foreign trade with the US following behind accounting for another 11-12%. China is busy building itself into a superpower and the last thing they need now that they have an ongoing Cold War with the US is to piss off one of their biggest and comparati
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So you figure if we let the Great Putini eat Ukraine, he'll be satiated and stop there? The Baltics are next if he gets away with this. Then it is Eastern Europe. Then China will see they can get away with nailing Taiwan. China won't care if they trash Taiwan, they take the long view and will start repopulating it with Han Chinese like they are doing in Xinjiang and Tibet. After that, it will be pressure on Europe to break up NATO, and you can kiss your fat little Western economic like goodbye.
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The GOP was absolutely strident in demanding that we sanction Russian oil. Everyone knew they were "laying a trap" for Biden, and would immediately crow about gas prices being his fault if he did it. And if he didn't they could claim he was weak on Russia. Pretty shitty behavior, if you ask me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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How did they treat him? They confirmed two of his supreme court picks, even after the GOP denied Obama's pick. Next fucking question?
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Re:Worst administration ever... (Score:4, Informative)
Your moron just dragged us into a war with a country of no relevance to us.
International military aggression is relevant to everyone.
I am no Biden fan, but Joe seems to be steering a prudent path between punishing Russia and avoiding escalation. I am willing to make sacrifices to support the sanctions and Biden made the right decision when he declined to get America involved in the transfer of Polish MIG-29s to Ukraine. That would have been an ineffective provocation.
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Then the Anonymous troll was wrong, and India, China, etc won't be getting low gas prices while we pay more. After all, it is a world market. Allowing less oil onto the market, no where it all goes, will raise prices world wide.
Thank you for debunking the AC.
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Thanks for making things even worse. Are we supposed to think this is great leadership. The world has been hitting crisis after crisis under US leadership. Just wait until Europe sees their new stagflation rate. Time for change. The world was better when the US wasn't "back".
What did Biden do?
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Old man bad.
Which one?
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What did Biden do?
Apparently he is to blame for not immediately and cheaply cleaning up the mess that Trump left him...
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20% raise here. Nice to work in a sector with lots of competition and employers who want to keep employees.
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Well, economic numbers are always lying a bit. Wage growth may be up, but it's an average wage growth, meaning probably 64% were living paycheck to paycheck for the last then years anyway. And when they say unemployment is down, it's because they don't count those who've been unemployed too long and no longer get unemployment checks. Things are always worse than official number.
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Those are some nice strawmen you've got there. I think everyone knew inflation was coming, too many dollars chasing too few goods - pretty simple concept.
Hyperinflation is largely conspiracy theory fodder not a real thing that is likely to happen with the USD.
You dummies were blaming Biden for gas prices in Jan of last year, weeks into his Presidency. Nobody takes you seriously, and nothing Trump did or would do would have any positive effect on gas prices or inflation.
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Those are some nice strawmen you've got there.
You can just call them Republicans -- the strawwomen too. :-)
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In June of 2021 they were sure even the relatively moderate inflation we saw then wouldn't be sustained [reuters.com].
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Everyone but the Fed, who stuck to the "transient inflation" script until doing so became untenable.
The Fed's tool to fight inflation is higher interest rates, which will likely push the economy into a recession.
So proceeding with caution was prudent.
We will now all pay the price for those who bought gas-guzzling SUVs. As the smug driver of an EV, I will now take the opportunity to say, "I told you so."
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I agree with you, basically... except not so sure about hyperinflation being some kind of conspiracy theory?
I think people got way too complacent with the relative lack of inflation for years and decided concepts like that were totally unrealistic. But with our government spending as much as they did from 2020 through the present while all of it is putting us further into deficit? I'm not sure the current inflation is more than the tip of the proverbial iceberg? (Heck, we just agreed to spend about $13 b
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I agree with you, basically... except not so sure about hyperinflation being some kind of conspiracy theory?
We're talking US dollars here, not rubles. Current exchange rate, 1,000 rubles = 5 quid, and falling.
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And oil production in the last year of the former alleged president was down.
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> And even if inflation were real, Trump would fix it on the first day in office with a super special executive memo.
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it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was over 64% a year ago.
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Or would you rather have communism or worse, fascism?
Communism - which most Americans seem to confuse with socialism - is an idealistic principle, that we should all help one another as best we can. There was this fellow long ago, called Jesus Christ, who was all for it. But modern people have seen through all that mystical mumb-jumbo. We know that the only moral way if every man for himself, and to hell with the losers.
As for fascism, it's screamingly funny that you haven't noticed that you have been living under fascism for decades.
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