Multiple Shot, At Least 13 Injured in NYC Subway Station; Undetonated Devices Found, Officials Say (nbcnews.com) 186
NBC News reports: Multiple people were shot in a New York City subway station during rush hour on Tuesday, and several undetonated devices were found, officials said. At least 13 people were injured during the mayhem that unfolded at a station in Brooklyn's Sunset Park neighborhood, the FDNY said, though it was not immediately clear how many of those victims were shot. A man, possibly wearing clothes that resembled MTA attire, was spotted throwing a device in the subway station before opening fire, law enforcement sources told NBC New York. The NYPD, though, said no "active explosive devices" were immediately found at the scene. Police were looking for a man, believed to be about 5-foot-5, 180 pounds and wearing a gas mask, who shot at least five people, sources said. Live coverage: CNN.
News for Nerds? (Score:2, Insightful)
What does this have to do with Technical topics?
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Train spotters are nerds, however this particular article leaves out important information like which (if any) services have been disrupted, so it is a bit inappropriate.
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It was reported on the internet, so it is technical-related.
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Oh no! (Score:5, Funny)
Anyway...
How's this news for nerds? Was the culprit wearing glasses?
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Re: Oh no! (Score:4, Informative)
There are 40 gun homicides every day in America and this shooting accounted for zero of them. So how is it "Stuff that matters?"
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There aren't daily mass shootings, much less random acts of homicide to strangers. Your comparison is stupid and you should feel stupid for making it.
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Your species?!?
On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.
Cat.
Dogs can't type.
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So nerds are not interested in a possible terrorist attack on New York?
I suppose it wouldnt be Slashdot though if some one wasnt complaining about a given article not belonging on Slashdot. Those posts are as old as the site is and are the mark of something that truly belongs on the site.
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Oh come on, a terrorist attack in New York about every 20 years... does anyone even blink?
Frankly I'm just completely dead to this kind of news. People being horrible to each other, everyone asking for action and nothing being done. News at 11.
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Oh come on, a terrorist attack in New York about every 20 years... does anyone even blink?
The last one got an article on Slashdot. I stand for consistency!
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A company releasing/updating a product
Scientists making a discovery
Security issue discovered
Those happen much more frequently.
Re:Oh no! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah! While we're at it let's no longer have articles about the following:
I vote for a ban on the following stories:
Cryptocurrency X went up in value
Cryptocurrency X went down in value
NFTs
Cryptocurrency exchange got hacked
Cryptocurrency scams
Cryptocurrency theft
Cryptocurrency was used to pay for child porn
New cryptocurrency launches
Company X is looking to get into cryptocurrency
Country X is looking to adopt cryptocurrency as legal tender
NFTs again (because they really fucking suck)
Re:Inside, outside (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Inside, outside (Score:5, Insightful)
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Younger people tend to be more liberal, older people tend to forget all that shit, excuse themselves by saying it didn't work for them when they never actually got it, and become more conservative so they can try to hold on to their stuff. It's a lot of purse-clutching. So I would expect most of the people who use the word "communist" as a pejorative when they don't actually even know what it means to be older. 79% of Americans think China is communist, and don't even know it's just good old fascist authori
I'm guessing mid-20s (Score:2)
The average age of a person that reacts to those trolls with anything other than "WTF is it 1950?". Probably at least 50.
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Following popular discourse it's quite clear that it doesn't matter what a person's age is. They don't understand the difference between communism, socialism, capitalism, and a democracy (one of those is not like the other, and that's the point most people can't even figure out which one is the odd one out much less explain what each of them mean).
If you want to take guns, your a commie which is bad.
If you want to reduce healthcare costs you're a socialist which is bad.
For these people making sense is secon
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In todayâ(TM)s politics yes. They get really uncomfortable when you start looking at Reaganâ(TM)s record though. He wanted an amnesty program for everyone in the country illegally.
No, Reagan did not want amnesty. That was what was provided in exchange for a promise of Congress to fix existing immigration law--which Congress never fixed.
Leftists don't negotiate in good faith.
Re:Inside, outside (Score:4, Interesting)
I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally
Sure sounds like he wanted it.
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I'm not an American so when you say Reagan, I hear "War on Drugs" and Oliver North.. A horrible abysmal failure which killed a lot of people and ruined a lot of lives forever.
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In todayâ(TM)s politics yes.
Yeah it was a rhetorical question. Even stranger than that, you can get called a Communist and a Fascist in the same conversation. The trolls do not even understand the names they call us. Just be as nasty as you can, and that's how you win an argument when nobody wants to argue with you anymore.
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If Communism is the answer, start small and show the world what utopia could be like.
But first you have to build a wall around it so your proletariat cannot escape.
Communism works fine on a small scale (Score:3)
So you have to respond with the same, resulting in a violent revolution.
Which in turn means you have to put people who are good at violence in charge of your revolution.
And, well, those kind of people don't tend to give up power after the revolution. They didn't in China and they didn't in the USSR.
To be fair both China and
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explain to me exactly what new jobs will take over
Construction, maintenance (electricians, plumbers, landscaping), agriculture, etc. We want all that money for the Build Back Better infrastructure plan. Are we going to have to hire latinos to do all the jobs? Or are some of our snowflakes going to get off their butts, pick up a shovel and get to work?
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You're right about that.
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So nerds are not interested in a possible terrorist attack on New York?
More that I can get this story everywhere else. There is nothing wrong with running only narrowly focused stories and it doesn't mean that nothing else matters. One of the reasons I visit Slashdot is so I don't have to wade through stories about things I don't particularly want to think about at that moment in order to find tech goings on.
/. isn't a news aggregator (Score:5, Insightful)
This doesn't mean I expect or even want nuance. It's a bloody web forum. But it's interesting to see what the take of a community pulled in two directions like that is on major events like this.
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the comments are the point of being here.
Spot on. If all I wanted was tech articles I'd read one of the 100's of actual tech news aggregators out there. As much discourse, asinine opinions, trolls, know-it-alls, and every other shitty person on the Internet, this is one of the better places to hold an intelligent discussion on the Internet.
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No. They're more interested in who their latest waifu is.
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Good question
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"Terrorist"
We need to watch using the "T" word because big men with badges and guns and shackles will inch even closer to everyone's body and freedom becomes much less for all.
"OMG T***ism!" has become one of the prefered tools of politicians to scare and shake the masses into accepting this kind of government intrusion into our lives.
We don't even know yet why yet the shooter did what he did.
Undetonated devices (Score:4, Informative)
They've already backpedaled on the "undetonated devices." Somebody probably noticed some track worker's equipment and got a bit paranoid.
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"two detonated smoke grenades, two non-detonated smoke grenades"
They found two undetonated grenades and only later determined that they were smoke grenades, hence the "device" description.
What part of that is backpedaling?
Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the USA (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do we care ? You won't vote for gun laws, so you die by the gun. On a daily basis.
Re:Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the US (Score:5, Insightful)
NYC has some of the most strict gun laws in the whole US.
Trouble is...criminals just don't always follow the law.
Gives them a huge advantage over the citizens that do.
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Ah yes because what would definitely make the situation better is more people with guns on crowded subway platforms
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How many of those "defensive gun uses" were in crowded areas? I'm guessing roughly 0
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The fact that the range is from 60k to 2,500k should tip you off that they're saying "the data is bad and we have no clue." Not surprising given that most of the defensive gun use data is self-reported surveys that aren't verified in any way.
Here's a good page that cites a whole list of studies that debunk the ridiculous numbers that keep being thrown around.
http://hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/... [harvard.edu]
Most of the time the guns are legal (Score:2)
I do think that if a gun you failed to secure is used in a shooting there should be penalties. If you want something for instant self defense get a revolver. If you need an AK-47 to defend your home you're in a literal warzone. Evacuate immediately. Beyond that, lock your guns up, and if you have relatives with mental illness lock the revolver up too. If only to prevent them from shooting th
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NYC has some of the most strict gun laws in the whole US.
Trouble is...criminals just don't always follow the law.
Right. It would be a lot better for most citizens to have guns in crowded subways. Then when some lunatic with a death-wish starts shooting, everyone around would start shooting back, injuring and killing even more people. You could even get a chain reaction going where the shooting expands from the initial location to the tunnels and platforms around. Think of all the profits for the gun manufacturers, medical industry, etc. Fantastic broken window benefits.
/s
Unrealistic? We know trained cops who should
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"Why do we care ? You won't vote for gun laws, so you die by the gun."
NYC has famously strict gun laws, and yet this happened.
California has famously strict gun laws, and yet this other event happened.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mult... [go.com]
Disarming the population is working so very well.
Re:Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the US (Score:4, Insightful)
Other countries have stricter gun laws and less gun crime. The problem is that guns move between areas with lax rules and those with stricter ones. There needs to be more accountability so that people that want guns to commit crimes cannot get them so easily. A registration system similar to what we have for vehicles would help control weapons going to criminals while not burdening responsible gun owners
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A registration system similar to what we have for vehicles
How so? Cars have license plates to make them identifiable at a considerable distance. Are you going to walk up to someone with a pistol and squint at the serial number on their gun so you can call it in?
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Guns typically have a serial number on them too. The registration isn't just for seeing it from a distance
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VIN is for tax purposes. They need to uniquely identify pieces of property. Guns aren't taxed because we don't levy taxes to practice civil rights.
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What? VIN is used for all sorts of stuff. Identification is the obvious one, for stolen vehicles, it's easier to find the owner, it's used in identification for safety inspections and other registrations. Not sure where you got the idea that guns aren't taxed, they certainly are. There's not an excise tax like for cars, but there are sales taxes
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guns aren't taxed, they certainly are
If I make a gun, there's no tax on it.
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Same situation if you make a car
Re:Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the US (Score:4, Informative)
The problem is that guns move between areas with lax rules and those with stricter ones.
Tell me you know nothing about guns without saying you know nothing about guns.
You can't legally buy a firearm in a state in which you're not a resident (no, not even at a "gun show"). If a firearm is transferred across state lines (yes, even states with "the gunshow loophole"), it must go through an FFL (i.e. a background check and form 4473 is filled out).
There needs to be more accountability so that people that want guns to commit crimes cannot get them so easily. A registration system similar to what we have for vehicles would help control weapons going to criminals while not burdening responsible gun owners
We already have a "registry" in the form of the 4473s that FFLs are required to keep for 20 years. Any new from the factory gun will have been sold through an FFL if it was sold legally ( and assuming the ATF didn't just tell the gun store to release it [wikipedia.org]) and so the original sale can be determined through the serial number. The problem arises when the gun is later transferred without an FFL. Since criminals don't log who they illegally sold guns to, illegally sold guns are going to be impossible to trace regardless.
A formal registry can't fix that either unless the criminals decide to use said registry for some crazy reason. And no, "just make it a felony to have an unregistered gun" isn't a solution because requiring somebody to register their illegal weapons is a violation of the 5th amendment. You'd essentially be requiring them to admit guilt or get punished further. So as far as "not burdening responsible gun owners", you're proposing something that by definition can only burden responsible gun owners.
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You can't legally buy a firearm in a state in which you're not a resident (no, not even at a "gun show"). If a firearm is transferred across state lines (yes, even states with "the gunshow loophole"), it must go through an FFL (i.e. a background check and form 4473 is filled out).
NY (and NJ? I believe as well) goes even further and does not permit you to have a pistol in your possession unless you have a concealed carry permit which lists that pistol's serial number on it (ie: if you and your spouse both have pistols you cannot legally hold their pistol in your hand unless the serial number is on your concealed carry permit).
I think there are some exceptions so that if you are under the supervision of a FFL so you could test fire a gun and see how it feels, but that is it.
And unless
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You can't legally buy a firearm in a state in which you're not a resident
Yeah, I'm sure that NEVER happens. Where are the guns coming from in places with gun restrictions then?
We're able to handle unregistered cars just fine. Just need to fill out some paper work to register them and you're all set. Same could work for guns. If a person isn't the registered owner then they shouldn't be using it. You can even put an amnesty period at the start of the registration program while everyone is working out the paperwork. This isn't the impossible problem that some people think it
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Other countries have stricter gun laws and less gun crime. The problem is that guns move between areas with lax rules and those with stricter ones. There needs to be more accountability so that people that want guns to commit crimes cannot get them so easily. A registration system similar to what we have for vehicles would help control weapons going to criminals while not burdening responsible gun owners
Jesus not with the fucking car analogies again... You register your car in order to drive it on public roads. If I want to buy a car and only drive it on my personal property, or haul it on a trailer to a friend's private race track, no registration necessary in any of the 50 states (as far as I'm aware). If you want to require people to register to take their gun out onto public property, congrats you've basically reinvented concealed carry permits.
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It's not suppose to be a 1-1 analogy, just the idea that we have something which is commonly used and has a registry attached to it is easily doable. Things like national standards, licensing, identification are all possible with cars and can be with guns.
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Other countries have stricter gun laws and less gun crime.
They make up for it with knife crime, car bombs, fists, arson, etc. Violent criminals are violent criminals with or without guns.
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I'd much rather some attacked me with a fist than a gun
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Other countries have stricter gun laws and less gun crime.
When gun crime went down, all other forms of violent crime went way up.
A registration system similar to what we have for vehicles would help control weapons going to criminals while not burdening responsible gun owners....
Cars are stolen every day, and used to commit crimes. Registration is just a money grab by governments, and has little to no effect on criminals wanting to use cars for crimes.
Disarming the citizenry is the first step of a fascist government.
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It actually does work when you look at any civilized country. Check murders per capita and get back to me.
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Re:Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the US (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a lost cause in the US that gun reform is going to happen. Obama was right when he said (to some effect) that if Sandy Hook didn't spur real gun legislation then it just is never going to happen.
There are some odd 3-400 million firearms in the US and god knows how much ammo. You can never logistically get rid of that. Plus the US just simply has a different cultural relationship with guns that may parts of the world just does not share. Also conservatives and gun-rights defenders do have a point when they point out that guns are a defense against tyrrany, as far out as that seems (Also why gun regulation is a liberal/centrist position, when you go furher left politically most people also support gun rights.)
Politically its just a losing issue. Democrats and liberals would be best to quietly drop it and foxus on root causes. Healthcare, income inquality, judicial and law enforcement reform are all things that will bring down violence and crime in general, gun crimes included.
If that was the case though it would be good to see conservatives and Republicans in kind push back a bit on the "gun culture" in the country. There really is an uncomfrtoable amount of fetishisation and a performative nature to it. The change of the NRA from essentially a safety and advocacy org to a political machine certainly hasnt helped that either. Guns should be tools and a fun hobby. Understanding this is something of a reaction to ever encrouching gun legislation but still, so much of it is serious cringe.
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Also conservatives and gun-rights defenders do have a point when they point out that guns are a defense against tyranny, as far out as that seems
40% of Americans [theguardian.com] believe Biden stole the election. That would mean there was a coup and the USA is effectively a dictatorship. So if guns are an effective defense against tyranny, what are those people doing? Why don't they take their guns and overthrow this dictatorial government?
Is it that guns are ineffective against tyranny? Or is it that those people are full of it and don't even believe their own lies? Or, more likely, both?
Re: Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the U (Score:3)
No offense but this is the type of tone-deaf dogmatic argument that has polarized this topic, just as much as any of the pro gun freaks.
There's a lot of people who do enjoy guns as a hobby and branding them immoral will just make them dismiss any reasonable position you might have. Bow and arrows are weapons of death. Cars can be considered weapons of death (they do kill a lot of people).
If you genuinely want some reasonable gun reform change your rhetoric. If you just want to virtue signal keep at it I
Re: Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the U (Score:2)
You know I did read that in a blog or article somewhere and it did make a compelling case as a way towards reform in the US.
Unfortunately I think it will definitely be seen as a runaround on the 2nd amendment (and it is, even if not legally) so probably not politically viable.
Today I just don't want decent candidates losing votes over the issue, it's just stalemated and not worth the effort. Universal healthcare will save more lives than any gun reform that would actually pass today.
Re: Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the U (Score:2)
Well if Democrats were good at messaging they probably wouldn't be looking down the barrel of a midterm bloodbath right now. It's maddening that they aren't on TV everyday pointing out how ass backwards and outright stupid the modern Republican party is.
Re: Not News for Nerds - Just another day in the U (Score:2)
I am so glad London regulates guns so much that they practically don't exist there anymore.
Now it's 100% safe to walk around good ol' Londontown at night!
5 foot 5 (Score:5, Funny)
And 180 pounds? Sounds like a domestic terrorist to me.
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Still thinner than most Americans.
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Tech? News for nerds? (Score:2, Insightful)
What does this have to do with tech?
If you post everything like this from the US, it's all you'll be posting...
If we wanted to read about these kinds of things, we'd go to some "news" channel that would endlessly repeat speculation at us.
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Your low user number strongly suggests that you should be familiar with the types of articles Slashdot posts by now. Major terrorist attacks in the US always make it to Slashdot, it's a US based site. It was the same for 9/11 and the Boston marathon bombing that happened after that.
Of course this could turn out to not be a major terrorist attack but that's why this is on Slashdot.
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What does this have to do with tech?
If you post everything like this from the US, it's all you'll be posting...
If we wanted to read about these kinds of things, we'd go to some "news" channel that would endlessly repeat speculation at us.
As far as I can see the first slashdot article concerning school shootings in general is from april 1999 https://slashdot.org/story/99/... [slashdot.org] the first concerning a particular shooting is from may 1999 https://features.slashdot.org/... [slashdot.org] and I'm not even going to try to count the numerous articles on the subject until present.
Sticking to your guns about what slashdot shouldn't be posting 23 years in looks like a valiant effort that so far seem unsuccessful.
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> What does this have to do with tech?
news_for_nerds || stuff_that_matters
> If you post everything like this from the US, it's all you'll be posting...
Is that what happens?
> If we wanted to read about these kinds of things, we'd go to some "news" channel that would endlessly repeat speculation at us.
Tell us why you didn't scroll past and delivered ad impressions for this story instead.
Anyway, social scientists are very interested in soft-target theory, so go check that out.
Empathy and anger... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's tragic for the victims who will likely never be the same. It's heartbreaking for the families of those who died.
But, the possible response from authority is also worrisome. We really don't need airline-style security/metal-detectors on public transit, to have more cops pawing through bags, or to have strictly-enforced ID checks on trains (Amtrak was making noises last week about checking passengers against a TSA no-ride list). Those kinds of crimes are so rare as to make the inconvenience and loss of privacy not worth it. Even the permanent increase in idiotic security red tape after 9/11 wasn't worth it.
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Public transit is awful in the US. In Manhattan, you have no choice: taxis and uber are expensive. Elsewhere, only those without a choice use it. Hopefully, self-driving cars will eliminate it altogether.
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Another mass shooting in the United States? (Score:3)
If this was any other country in the world, a mass shooting would be news. In the United States, it's just another day.
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Shooting suspect was on FBI’s 2019 terrorist (Score:2)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
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You're an idiot.
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The same can be said for murder and drugs.
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And these folks [cnn.com] had dozens of guns and still got killed. Why weren't they protected by owning guns?
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had dozens of guns and still got killed
Loaded? Many gun stores and ranges don't allow the handling of loaded weapons unless you are at a target bench and the range master has given the clear to shoot signal. Some states do not allow employees to carry on the job. Not mine, as one guy some years ago tried to hold up a gun store. It did not end well for him.
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Re: False flag for Biden's "ghost gun" agenda? (Score:3, Interesting)
This wasn't your typical "gang shooting", rather this was some unhinged nut carrying out an attack.
Maybe it was political. Maybe it was because his wife left him. Or maybe it was because he thought "God" was telling him to do this (we had quite a few of those in the past).
Re: False flag for Biden's "ghost gun" agenda? (Score:2)
Woah, somebody's fee fees got bruised by a neutral post that for the life of me caused that person to mod this 0 Troll
This wasn't your typical "gang shooting", rather this was some unhinged nut carrying out an attack.
Maybe it was political. Maybe it was because his wife left him. Or maybe it was because he thought "God" was telling him to do this (we had quite a few of those in the past).
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Nah. Guy was reported to be 5' 5" tall. Under the FBI minimum height requirements.
Re: Smells like a False flag operation to me... (Score:2)
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This one is considered national news because someone initially overreacted and stated that there were undetonated explosives at the crime scene.
Otherwise, this isn't much worse than a typical Brooklyn crime scene.
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People shot in Brooklyn? This kind of thing wasn't news yesterday why is it news today?
Most shootings in New York aren't at random people for no reason. Occasionally an innocent bystander will get caught in the crossfire, but the shooter almost always has an intended target and a motive.