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Global Climate Plans Can Now Keep Heating Below 2C, Study Shows (theguardian.com) 60

For the first time the world is in a position to limit global heating to under 2C, according to the first in-depth analysis of the net zero pledges made by nations at the UN Cop26 climate summit in December. From a report: Before these pledges it was more than likely that at the peak of the climate crisis there would be a temperature rise above 2C, bringing more severe impacts for billions of people. Now it is more likely that the peak temperature rise will be about 1.9C. However, the researchers said this depended on all nations implementing their pledges on time and in full, and warned that the policies to do so were not in place. The pledges also include those that developing countries have said will not happen without more financial and technical support. Achieving the pledges needed for the 2C limit was a "historic milestone," and good news, the scientists said. However, they said the bad news was that the cuts in global emissions currently planned by 2030 were way off track to keep the peak below 1.5C. That is the global goal, but currently there is less than a 10% chance of hitting that target.
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Global Climate Plans Can Now Keep Heating Below 2C, Study Shows

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  • Wishful thinking (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lab Rat Jason ( 2495638 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:51PM (#62443944)

    There's no way that EVERY country that made a commitment is going to be able to perfectly keep it. Biden just allowed E15 again... so the US is already not holding fast in the face of price pressure.

    • by PastTense ( 150947 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:58PM (#62443964)

      Yes. The pledges mostly are just PR gimmicks.

      The only way change will happen globally is if zero-carbon energy sources are cheaper than fossil fuels. While this happening in a few areas; those are not enough.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        If a few key players decide to make it a priority then others will have to follow. For example, the EU introduced RoHS rules and now most components are RoHS compliant no matter where they are made or sold. The EU market is too big and lucrative to ignore it.

        Another example; when EU countries started setting end-of-sales dates for fossil fuel vehicles it started a domino effect where more and more countries joined in. It also made automakers invest in EVs and bring more models to market.

        If we can get the EU

    • There's no way the computer models used in this prediction are accurate enough to predict within .1 degrees.

      • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

        They are not. Even the people that make them know that, that's why there's a list of qualifications and margins long enough not to warrant including in every summary.

      • it's a metric and not uniform so it's an average. Models are pretty good at that.

        Also that .1 degree is a truly *massive* amount of energy, so it's a very very rough level...which again, models are very good at.
        • it's a metric and not uniform so it's an average. Models are pretty good at that.

          What are you talking about? This is just nonsense you made up.

          Also that .1 degree is a truly *massive* amount of energy, so it's a very very rough level...which again, models are very good at.

          What are you talking about? No one denied that it's a lot of energy, why did you bring it up? The point is the models aren't that accurate.

          • What are you talking about? No one denied that it's a lot of energy, why did you bring it up? The point is the models aren't that accurate.

            It doesn't matter if they're 10% off when they're indicating total catastrophe.

            The headline makes it sound as if 2 degrees is perfectly OK, that we can relax now. That's not true at all, 2 degrees is still a massive change in climate and will raise sea levels and cost many trillions.

            https://www.globalcitizen.org/... [globalcitizen.org]

    • If various world powers can invade over theoretical Nazis, theoretical WMDs, actual supporters of a new global theocracy (namely a worldwide caliphate
      ). Then we should also be able to invade over lack of greenness and carbon neutrality.

    • And that E15 is only expected to knock $0.10/gal off the price of fuel. I see it as a handout to fuel ethanol producers. Fuel ethanol is barely energy positive, and it is grown continuously so it destroys farmland for food production by depleting soil. The silage is generally burned, so no carbon is sequestered. It's a total ecological shit show on every level.

  • It doesn't matter. My optimism in humanity's decision makers is basically nil. I'll take the over for $11ty billion.
    • Agreed, covid lock downs barely made a dent in emissions for the year, and we expect people to turn their thermostats a few degrees to solve the problem
      • That just proves how much of an effort is required to reduce emissions to make a real difference. Expecting a few months of low amounts of driving to make a big difference is not a silver bullet solution that the anti-crowd seem to think is possible
  • by akw0088 ( 7073305 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:59PM (#62443972)
    As long as carbon offsets are factored into Net Zero plans they are nothing but wishful thinking, Polluting next door and "offsetting" it with by paying a place that wouldn't pollute anyway doesn't solve our problem
    • by pixelpusher220 ( 529617 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:55PM (#62444098)
      Eh, it has the effect of increasing investment in those offset technologies.

      i.e. in DC a moderate solar panel array (4-5kw) can literally pay you multiple thousands income in addition to the lower electric bill itself. SREC markets provide green offsets AND an income source for those who invest in them.

      Eventually it's not useful, but for getting the inertia moving it has more ups than downs.
      • Eh, it has the effect of increasing investment in those offset technologies.

        Yes and no. In some cases they are good (e.g. carbon offset programs going to solar / wind power). In some cases they can be bad (e.g. forest protection credits).

        The problem is that governments have written the legislations for the application of credits with some major loopholes. An example of such would be a farmer selling carbon credits by forgoing the right to land-clear. Sounds good, right until you realise they are being applied to trees and land which were never going to be cleared in the first place

  • All the promises and pledges in the world are mostly just a bunch of hot air, or in this case, hot air to come. I'm sorry I'm so pessimistic, but in the end only actions count.
    • ...but not to be a total asshole, my house is 100% wind powered, by choosing whom I pay power for. We can and should all act locally.
  • reality is messy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SirSlud ( 67381 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:21PM (#62444022) Homepage

    I love when people are convinced efforts like this are absolutely critical to hit in full or totally useless.

    Back in reality, it'll be somewhere between the two, and the idea that just because we land in the grey barrens of compromise or imperfection makes the entire plan useless belies a real misunderstanding about the relationship between setting goals and achieving meaningful results.

    • For me the dichotomy is the IPCC report saying "holy shit we have just 3 YEARS to stop fossil fuel use" and this saying "Hey, wow, we're doing a reasonable job so we'll be slightly less worse off than we thought"

      True, the all or nothing is marketing, but it's also a mix of psychology that it needs to be conveyed how dire the situation is.

      unfortunately, the old adage 'never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups' also applies in spades.
  • I don't really understand why we keep batting around potential rise avoidance like it's an actual possibility. Fucking move on. Transfer all efforts to mitigation.

    • You casually say "mitigation" which says you have absolutely no idea how unimaginably expensive "mitigation" is going to be.

      How do you propose we "mitigate" all the world's breadbaskets drying up and blowing away while the Amazon becomes a grassland?
      • Considering avoidance is basically impossible, it's going to be afforded. The world will adapt. Many places are already doing so with the idea that sea levels are rising, period.

        Be as sustainable as you can be but don't think you are going to save humanity from itself.

      • We won't be able to mitigate everything. But since prevention is completely off thd table, mitigation is all we have. And we will do something. We're much better at reacting to immediate crises than long term trends.

  • Now... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @05:41PM (#62444220) Journal

    ...there's just that troublesome challenge of getting countries to KEEP their pledges.

    What's the success rate on that, so far, again?

    Not to say talk is cheap but heralding this as some sort of breakthrough seems a little premature?

    • Not to say talk is cheap but heralding this as some sort of breakthrough seems a little premature?

      Given the stubbornness of countries not setting goals or making pledges in the past it very much is a "breakthrough". A breakthrough is a "sudden dramatic development". The use of the word isn't restricted to actually achieving the end goal.

      Not calling this a breakthrough would be considering the human race to level headed and on track to solve climate change, rather than the morons we actually are. We acknowledged the problem, that alone is a breakthrough.

      • Right.
        Last time I checked, Paris was FULL of pledges that meant ...shit.

        Or wait, do you mean the 'stubbornness of countries' as a veiled slap at the US for not participating in the Paris circle-jerkery?

        Didn't the US happen to coincidentally (mainly through market-forces moving to natural gas) meet the tabled goals ANYWAY despite not making a self-righteously public pledge?

        Having a group of 10 people on a meaningless public stage joined by 20 other people on that same meaningless stage isn't a breakthrough e

  • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @08:09PM (#62444538)

    is only making the problem worse.

    • by Klaxton ( 609696 )

      What's political about it?

      • What's political about it?

        When it comes to climate change, pledges made by politicians have been repeatedly broken and often outright ignored, and targets have been missed by miles.

        Here in Canada, our Prime Minister makes commitments to decrease emissions while his government prepares to go ahead with major offshore oil extraction in Newfoundland. There's lots of political hot air here, and no courage nor fortitude for making difficult and unpopular decisions and then following through with them. It seems to be that way in most co

  • Strange as it may seem, it could be that the market will solve climate change as renewables are becoming cheaper ...

    See this well researched Kurzgezagt video [youtube.com] for details ...

    Add to that gasoline at record highs (the war in Ukraine being one factor) and now EVs start to make more sense ...

    • by Uecker ( 1842596 )

      Also a fair point to make is that the economy of scale that brought down prices was created by political actions such as from Germany (which still pays for the early installations via electricity prices).

  • Any nation that is abandoning nuclear power is not taking global warming seriously. Any nation that doesn't have nuclear power plants already under construction is not taking global warming seriously. We need power from nuclear fission or we will fail in lowering our CO2 emissions.

    These morons talking about rooftop solar and offshore windmills are offering a "solution" that will take more materials and labor, which means it costs more, while producing more CO2 than nuclear power. In the process there wil

  • Pies in the sky are cheap.

  • ... so we can pretend we affected the climate?

    Doesn't matter if 'climate change' is real or not, if it motivated people/companies/countries to be more efficient and less wasteful in the acquisition and use of natural resources, it's a win. The ends justify the means.

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