COVID-19 Deaths Top 1 Million In US (nbcnews.com) 282
NBC News is reporting that the United States has officially surpassed 1 million COVID-19 deaths -- "a once unthinkable scale of loss even for the country with the world's highest recorded toll from the virus." From the report: The number -- equivalent to the population of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the U.S. -- was reached at stunning speed: 27 months after the country confirmed its first case of the virus. While deaths from Covid have slowed in recent weeks, about 360 people have still been dying every day. The casualty count is far higher than what most people could have imagined in the early days of the pandemic [...].
Now, more than two years and 999,999 fatalities later, the U.S. death toll is the world's highest total by a significant margin, figures show. In a distant second is Brazil, which has recorded just over 660,000 confirmed Covid deaths.
Now, more than two years and 999,999 fatalities later, the U.S. death toll is the world's highest total by a significant margin, figures show. In a distant second is Brazil, which has recorded just over 660,000 confirmed Covid deaths.
It's about twice that (Score:2, Insightful)
In about 10 or 15 years when the research is done to show the actual death toll (including people who technically survived but later died from complications and/or damage done to their lungs) I suspect it'll be north of 3 million for just the 1st 2 years.
But hey, at least for on
Re:It's about twice that (Score:4, Insightful)
We had over 1 million excess deaths [washingtonpost.com]. Somehow I don't think they all killed themselves because they couldn't bear the (largely non existent) lockdowns or having to get take out instead of sitting down to eat at the restaurant
Of course not! It was the massive cutback in driving and nearly wiping influenza off the face of the planet that drove excess deaths.
Wait a minute, that doesn’t sound right for some reason...
Re: It's about twice that (Score:3)
Scratch that comment. I misread your post. My apologies. This bloody site needs an edit button.
Re:It's about twice that (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course medical people are not resined scientists and so report measurements with little knowledge of the pre idiot or accuracy. They just copy from a spreadsheet and hope for the best. Even though we know that a population equal to Vermont and Wyoming will be dead from COVID.
Last summer it was the belief that others who were vaccinated, less that half the US, would provide protection from the virus. Some protection was provide as there were over a million infections by a greatly reduced rate of death. We hopefully will see much fewer infections now that the country is largely vaccinated. And the new normal will be a few thousand deaths a year.
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This contradicts those who say few have died of COVID.
Not really. "Few" is subjective, and 0.5% of the population is arguably "few" for a pandemic of this nature. I don't think those arguing that deaths have not been "few" are wrong, they're just looking at it a different way.
An interesting note is that the total death count in the US for people less than 50 years old is about 69k. It gets more difficult to argue that that isn't "few".
I read an estimate last year for "life years" lost per Covid-19 death to be about 14 years. If we're at 1 million deaths
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In general the people who say few died (Score:2)
That probably wasn't obvious from the context but if you hang around here a lot it was understood. We politicized the response to covid because it hit just before an election and the previous administration wanted to keep the economy on track because presidents don't get reelected if the economy is cratering. I created all kinds of crazy nut jobs saying al
Re:It's about twice that (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, there's no "may" about it unfortunately.
Over 75% of all victims, regardless of any other correlation (age, fitness, gender, symptom severity), have pericarditis or myocarditis after being infected. That only happens because something really bad happened to your circulatory system. 2/3 of victims show signs of significant lung damage 6 months and now 12 months after acute infection. 20+% of victims eventually exhibit signs of neurological damage ("brain fog") and long term impairment on numerous measures of higher brain function. Increasing evidence has also emerged of rapid-onset type I diabetes after covid because of the damage it does to the pancreas.
Back when such things were reported in the futile hope that plague rats might be convinced to take this seriously, doctors were talking about patients coming in in their 40s having strokes, heart attacks and DVTs - shit you're not supposed to have to even think about before you retire - because of circulatory system damage.
This monstrosity steals many, many years from your life. And not the ones at the tail end that we've already accepted aren't going to be that great, the best ones you had left.
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Over 75% of all victims, regardless of any other correlation (age, fitness, gender, symptom severity), have pericarditis or myocarditis after being infected.
What do you define as "victim"? Certainly not "any person who was infected" I assume. Otherwise it's like to see a reference for that statement.
I didn't do a thorough search but CDC saw that 5000 covid-related myocarditis in the hospitals over the course of a year:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum... [cdc.gov]
What do you mean? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What do you mean? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What do you mean? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, the Russians were so incompetent that not only were trains still running, water, electricity and internet were mostly fine even after almost two whole months.
That's what generally happens when you try to steal a country. You don't generally try to wreck the shit you're stealing.
If it were a US invasion, the whole Ukraine would be carpet bombed for 2 months
The US uses precision ammunition nowadays. It's Russians who have to resort to gravity bomb use because of limited stockpile of modern weapons.
Electricity, water and gas would be destroyed in the first few days, leaving everyone starving after a week, killing more. More than half of the Ukrainians would be dead before the first US soldier setting foot there.
"If a fictional wanton genocidal version of the US existed, it would have been worse than Russia." Maybe, but it exists only in your head.
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The Ukraine invasion was last week's news. This week, we're going 70's retro with a new abortion ban!
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Something springs to mind I kept hearing from republicans when it came to vaccine mandates.
My body my choice!
Why does that not apply now?
Re: What do you mean? (Score:2, Insightful)
So it's fine if the law forces men to sell their kidney to maintain the drug habit of their kids ?
Or ban any amputation or excision of cancerous parts because it might make u less able to take care of your kids ?
How about ban all condoms ? And jerking off ?
That kills millions of lives I hear.
The world can understand such idiotic laws by Taliban or ISIS, but not for the US.
A child's life depends 100% on the mother for many years, if she decides it's worse for the child to be born then trust me it is.
A child
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Your analogy to compulsory kidney donation is false and misleading, if for no other reason than that not-aborting is a LACK of intervention, while abortion explicitly kills a separate (it's not the mother, so analogies to other surgeries on an adult human that remove some tissue are misleading) human (we
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Re: What do you mean? (Score:5, Interesting)
Letting each state decide the legal status regarding abortion in their state isn't a 'ban' - one state can choose to permit abortions for any reason thru the fourth trimester, another state can choose to limit elective abortion to the first 15 weeks, and another can ban them outright. If the laws regarding abortion in her chosen state of residence don't suit a woman's particular situation, countless charities/foundations are promising free "abortion tourism" to a state where your chosen procedure and current condition are legal.
Hey! That's the same argument used to support states enforcing slavery in the 1800s. Funny how it's being brought up to support this matter. Also pay attention to how Missouri is attacking your idea of "abortion tourism" [pbs.org], I guess they saw that coming and wanted to make sure their women didn't get no idears.
The Republican Party is already talking about (Score:3, Informative)
It's a Republican party takes Congress in the presidency again or gets a big enough majority to override presidential veto then abortion will absolutely be banned federally.
What's more let's not forget that roe v Wade wasn't about abortion it was about privacy. 50 years of case law is built off roe v Wade and it just got wiped o
Roe presumes the pre-viable fetus isn't human (Score:2)
Only on that assumption does the 'privacy' argument kick in. Otherwise parents would be free to beat up or murder their kids with no consequences because it occurred in the privacy of their own home.
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> It's a Republican party takes Congress in the presidency again or gets a big enough majority to override presidential veto then abortion will absolutely be banned federally.
It normally takes sixty seven votes in the Senate to overcome a presidential veto, something that is so rare that it almost never happens. Getting sixty votes to overcome a filibuster is hard enough. It is quite rare that one party controls that many seats, which means that most legislation must pass on a bipartisan basis.
Not only
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Oh, forgot to add, your "Abortion Tourism" idea?
Yeah, nah. GOP will make it illegal and prosecute when you return, or before you leave if they find out.
It'll be great! Ex boyfriends, estranged husbands, shitty neighbors - all will be able to report you to the authorities if your period I late and they find out you are going on a 'holiday' to a neighboring state.
It's happened in the past, and it'll happen again.
GOP is big on snitching (Score:3)
Funny thing is the Republican party is still fairly popular. What can I say some people just want to be ruled over
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one state can choose to permit abortions for any reason thru the fourth trimester, another state can choose to limit elective abortion to the first 15 weeks, and another can ban them outright. If the laws regarding abortion in her chosen state of residence don't suit a woman's particular situation, countless charities/foundations are promising free "abortion tourism" to a state where your chosen procedure and current condition are legal.
...and another state can criminalize leaving the state (and their jurisdiction) to get an abortion. So that might put a bit of a hole in your theory.
What, like the rules about age of consent? (Score:2)
Or do you think it's OK for someone to take their putative partner to a state where they can legally have sex?
Re: What do you mean? (Score:3)
Unthinkable? (Score:5, Insightful)
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There's no such thing as free government services, you're still paying it with your taxes and your taxes only as the rich just can use their resources to dodge taxing completely.
But on the other hand, countries that have actually affordable health keep a healthy competition between the companies operating in the country instead of just letting everything turn into horrendous mega monopolies as it is with the US.
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Whether I'm paying the government in the form of taxes, or paying for private health insurance, I'm still paying. However I'll bet I'd pay less in taxes than I pay for the private insurance, and I'll bet that Medicare won't deliver nearly the runaround or bullshit that private insurance does. And costs would go down.
Sounds to me like socialized medicine would be a step up.
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> The [richest nation] still lacking enough compassion to enact universal healthcare
USA values freedom over life. (Except maybe when it comes to abortions.)
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We've actually got very little personal mobility (Score:2)
Like George Carlin said it's called The American dream because you would have to be dreaming to think it was real
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Sure, that's why the US has the most expensive health care in the world, because their system is so efficient.
The problem is that insurance needs health care to be expensive otherwise people don't need insurance. The health industry want it to be expensive because the make more money. When people pay for medical insurance you don't get the immediate cost so you don't care as much. People are generally short term thinkers.
If people had to pay for medical procedures out of pocket the cost of healthcare would
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Exactly. Healthcare should not be a for profit system.
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I tend to agree, but even the for profit systems in the rest of the world are considerably more efficient than the US system.
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It isn't even all health care; I know of at least 3 hospitals that are not for profit, but big pharma is all for profit and if you need, say Zolgensma, get set to pay $2,125,000... cash (with apologies to Better Off Dead and the $2 paper route stalker) to Swiss manufacturer Novartis. I have no idea if that would be covered by my insurance, but the alternatives are treatments that are $750000 for the first year and $375000 for subsequent years (Zolgensma is a genetic cure). Who the hell could afford that? If
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Well, without profit, what is the incentive for doctors to go through all they have to do to be Drs?
Without profit, where is the incentive to experiment and look for new cures through drugs and equipment?
Wages aren't profit. Lots of people work for non-profit companies. Doctors and biochemists work for a wage, hospital owners and pharama shareholders are in it for a profit. All the people who actually do the healthcare delivery and do the research to develop new treatments would be just as compensated under a non-profit system. We just wouldn't be paying extra to support extractive rent seekers.
Better Reporting (Score:5, Insightful)
The US has much better reporting than many other countries. Are there even estimates for what portion of covid deaths aren't reported as such in different countries? Authoritarian countries are underreporting on purpose, both to make themselves look better to the rest of the world and to keep their local population from blaming the government (right or wrong). Many countries simply don't have the mechanisms in place to produce reliable numbers. Are numbers from India, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brazil reliable? It would be interesting to see estimates of how many deaths would have been reported in each country if they used the same standards as the US with perfect data (which even the US doesn't have).
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Well, Canada has roughly the same level of reporting as the USA. We're reporting just over 39K COVID deaths, which is about 1/3 the per-capita rate of the USA.
Differences? We had much stricter lockdowns and masking requirements earlier on in the pandemic, and even now with restrictions lifted, many people voluntarily observe public health measures like wearing masks in indoor settings. We also have a much higher vaccination rate than the US... 82% of Canadians are considered fully vaccinated as opposed
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Yeah, but we all know how unreliable the reporting in Canada is.
The vast country, full with little villages in remote unaccessible regions.
Of course the medical education and equipment as well as dedication in such remote villages is below average. Probably in the lowest pecentils thinkable.
And now you have to imagine that they have to file a paper report for every dead one. Obviously they are slacking in reporting, as the bush plane only comes every 14 or 20 days. Depending on weather, and availability of
Canada's secret weapon (Score:5, Insightful)
> about 1/3 the per-capita [death] rate of the USA.
Canada has a secret weapon over the USA: No-Fox-News.
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Nah, if you've got cable, you probably get Fox News. Must be something else.
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Just because it's there, doesn't mean you actually watch it.
It's in my channel grid, and not once has it been tuned in.
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Sure, but Americans have the same option. Availability is not the difference between the two countries.
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The US is just culling the anti-vax left and right. It should move the country more centrist, unlike you liberal crazies in Canada. Don't worry, the Republican party is trying to counter the far right deaths by breeding more people by banning abortion, which may backfire on them if they get too much education and realize the parties switched platforms in the 1930s. All they need is votes on party lines, parties they have a long history of supporting, who used to support them but now oppress them.
If I had a
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>Differences?
Well, most deaths in the U.S occurred in blue states with strict lockdowns: California, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
Just to give an example, California had 245 deaths per 100k while Utah (a conservative state) had 145 deaths per 100k.
And the reason is pretty simple: blue states also have higher population densities and bigger cities.
New York City, for example, has 4x the population of Toronto, even though Toronto is 3x the physical area, and Toronto is Canada's largest city.
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Deaths per million by US state
1. Mississippi - 4,183/m
2. Arizona - 4,148/m
3. Alabama - 3,995/m
4. Tennessee - 3,836/m
5. West Virginia - 3,385/m
6. Arkansas - 3,379/m
7. New Jersey - 3,768/m
8. Louisiana - 3,715/m
9. Michigan - 3,611/m
10. Oklahoma - 3,606/m
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
Re:Better Reporting (Score:5, Informative)
General health plays a role in deaths, but look at case counts: 81M cases in the US and 3.8M in Canada. Our per-capita case count is also lower than the US, not just our per-capita death rate. So somehow, we have slowed the spread of COVID and I think it has to do with stricter public health measures and more adherence to those measures.
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I would suggest to travel a bit around in the world.
Countries that can not report properly are such as Somalia etc.
Also: it is plain stupid to look at "underreporting countries", regardless if true or percieved, to distract from the catastrophe the US is - or had - or still has regarding COVID.
Re:Better Reporting (Score:5, Interesting)
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You know there are countries in the world other than "the USA" and "authoritarian hellholes." Many of those countries probably have better reporting than the US because public health didn't become (as much of) a political plaything.
(also, both Brazil and India are democracies)
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Yes, I did not mean to suggest otherwise. I'm also confident that many countries have solid reporting, but I wasn't talking about them. And I wasn't suggesting that the countries I names were authoritarian; those were two different categories. I was suggesting that there are a number of other large countries that may have been hit worse than the US, but due to reporting issues, look better on paper. That's all.
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Ah, the old "at least we're better than somebody!"
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For sure the US has better reporting than many countries. Typically poorer, authoritarian-led countries that didn't want the populace to know how bad it was in their countries.
But now, explain how many European countries, with higher population densities and better recording (*) have lower per-capita figures.
* The Federal model means inconsistent reporting and allows politicians with agendas (eg. DeSantis) to affect reporting.
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I was in no way arguing that the US was better off than Europe. I was simply saying that while the US may be the worst on paper, there are a number of candidates for actually being worse, but we just don't have the numbers. That in no way justifies how badly we did, or excuses the deaths.
Re:Better Reporting (Score:5, Insightful)
Regardless of anything happening in other countries, the US is still a total shit show. Underreporting in Belize does nothing to change the fact that one million people are dead that shouldn't be.
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Well, for one, I would have implored the former President to not push quack cures when he was President, as well as actively promote vaccination instead of hiding his own vaccination status for months while other former Presidents were out getting their shots on live TV. Or maybe helping to fight mass-misinformation. Or not deride people for mask wearing during a televised debate with his election opponent being watched by tens of millions of people, including a lot of his own supporters. Or perhaps not
are you for real ? (Score:2)
now try to tell
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The US has much better reporting than many other countries.
There's no reason to believe that the USA's reporting is any better than that of any other western nation. But you're ahead of nearly all of them (save for a few European eastern block borderline not western nations) in per capita death rate.
I don't think that pointing out that some 3rd world shitholes have higher death tolls really does anything to cement your status as "teh bestest country eva"
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In the U.S. it is not complicated. We know how to count. There is no financial or political incentive to report every death as COVID related, that's just your imagination telling you what you wish to believe. We do know the numbers are accurate.
Re:Better Reporting (Score:4)
Link please? This is a Fox talking point so put up or shut up.
Other countries report what they want to. (Score:2, Insightful)
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This story is about America, not China.
A million people. Dead.
Re:Other countries report what they want to. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, but a good half of them likely would have died within the year of other comorbid illnesses that were extant (heart disease, liver disease, diabetes, heart disease, etc.)
In fact, more likely than not, COVID simply sped up the arrival of death for some.
It's almost as if you still haven't seen the latest numbers.
Deaths are up. It doesn't matter what words the doctors are writing on bits of paper, there's a big spike in people dying .
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
The only explanation that fits the data is COVID. Nothing else is new.
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How often did you use the word comorbid before Fox started to parrot it? Can you use gain of function next?
Facemasks and vaccines are attacks on our freedom! (Score:2)
Stupidity wont kill you....but it will take care that something else does.
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Not nearly enough. Otherwise stupidity would be a negative fitness factor evolution-wise. As the stupid also breed like crazy, it seems to be the other way round.
Remember Fauci... (Score:2)
Congrats guys, you're getting there. (Score:2)
You finally beat Italy, France, Belgium, and the UK who you always pointed to as having a higher death per capita rate (presumably out of jealousy).
You're on your way to number one, just got to out-stupid a few eastern Europeans and a bunch of 3rd world countries and you'll win again.
Re:Biden's fauilt (Score:5, Insightful)
Biden took over from a madman who had convinced some percentage of the country that COVID was fake. 'and he had the vaccines' - yep, but he can't force people to take them
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You are wrong about Fox News. Everyone at Fox News is vaccinated. If a Fox News employee refused to get vaccinated, they were fired or asked to resign. The management made it a requirement. NB: I'm only talking about the national Fox News. I don't know about any of the affiliate stations.
Also, every time they discuss the vaccines, they say it is up to individuals to make the choice for themselves, but they always point out that they are vaccinated and they recommend that everyone get vaccinated who does not
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Google 'tucker carlson covid' and then try your nonsense again
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I doubt that you actually watch Fox News. I'm subjected to it on a routine basis because of family members living in the same house.
Tucker Carlson is NOT all of Fox News. He's the lone loony voice. He's also the most popular because he says what he "thinks" off the cuff.
How 'bout you pay some attention to the vast number of other Fox News hosts. They pretty much always say the following when it comes to vaccines in this order:
1. We're vaccinated.
2. It's an individual's choice if they get vaccinated or not.
3
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You really think that guy isn't reading a teleprompter when he's asking his ridiculous rhetorical questions that he subsequently answers? he isn't "saying what he thinks off the cuff" - it's scripted and recited, just like every other news opinion show on cable TV regardless of network. You can tell when any of these people are actually working without a script, because there's more stammering and far less smooth delivery, because they have to think rather than simply regurgitate what a room full of write
That's called pipelining (Score:2)
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Yeah he says he’s not vaccinated but Fox policy is that you have to vaxxed to be in the studio. You’re believing a man that had to admit under oath his show is fiction and people should know it’s fake?
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And which "proven and inexpensive drugs" would that be? Please include peer-reviewed double-blind studies in your answer.
I won't wait for an answer though, because you won't have one that includes such a study that hasn't been thoroughly debunked.
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Well, a lot of people were saved with dexamethasone. I susepect that's not one of the drugs the OP was referring to though.
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Keep following the psychopaths who fed you that bullshit and the world may become a better place, without you.
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That a virus cares about who is president of a nation? I mean I do remember reading comments on here predicting that the virus would mysteriously vanish if Biden wins. Though of course it's the internet, so you can't really be sure if people actually believed that, were sarcastic, or just trolling.
Anyway, the vaccines just being available does little. Vaccines can only work for people at preventing a severe course of infection if people actually have taken the
Re:Biden's fauilt (Score:5, Informative)
Most of these death occurred during the Biden administration. And he had the vaccines.
Well, the first deaths in the US were March 5, 2020, so only 10 months of the pandemic were in Trump's administration, while two years and four months were in Biden's.
I'll also note that the single largest surge in deaths was winter 2020-21, the final months of the Trump administration, and this surge peaked in mid-January 2021. You can hardly fault Biden for not stopping the virus the day he was inaugurated.
Re:Biden's fauilt (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump would be president right now had he said something like: There’s a virus going around and I’m getting the CDC and the best scientists in the country to form a plan.
Instead he said it was a hoax from democrats.
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Trump would be president right now had he not been Trump
Re:Biden's fauilt (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, right. Those vaccines that the "let's go brandon" crowd would refuse to have administered, even though they're fine with eating fucking veterinarian-grade dewormer on the advice of microphone jockeys and television conspirators that aren't even in the same zip code as a medical degree?
And if the current administration would have started compelling people to get vaccinated somehow, we would have heard no end of calls of "tyranny" and "government medical experimentation" from the same set.
And now that they're the ones doing all the dying, you have the gall to try to blame Biden?
You wanted freedom of choice, and you got it. What you don't get is freedom from consequences.
Re:As a very stable genius once said... (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, Trump voters are statistically far more likely to die of Covid, and just because there aren't enough left to keep the crook in office doesn't mean there aren't enough to keep the morgue busy.
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He didn't mention vaccination - he mentioned deaths.
Nice way to change the topic there bucko.
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I didn't realise America had a population of transparent humans.
Re: As a very stable genius once said... (Score:5, Funny)
Ever since democrats have taken control, things have been seriously looking up:
COVID deaths are up.
Are you expecting the total number of COVID deaths to go down? As in, people come back from the dead???
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Healthcare professionals do know the difference between dying from covid, dying with covid as a complication, dying with covid, and dying from a post-covid complication.
Here's a good way of understanding it: If you are unvaccinated, you catch the alpha variant, and you show symptoms, then your risk of dying within the next year is compressed into the next two weeks. If you are 90 years old, or you have a pre-existing illness, or whatever, you have a certain chance of dying within the next year. If you are u
Re: As a very stable genius once said... (Score:2)
Just yesterday I was trying to explore which booster might be best for the current variants (ba4/ba5/ba1.12) and none of them have any significant impact on these new variants. As per the drug cos themselves. Moderna is working on a new vax for these and might have something by 3-4 months.
So that earlier data is of no use
Re:As a very stable genius once said... (Score:4, Informative)
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That'll be right after America is held accountable for the previous one.
(H1N1 - remember that? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandem... [cdc.gov] )
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"American has had far more access to treatment and vaccines than many nations. Yet, somehow we have the the highest death toll by far? Ya, something is not adding up."
Access doesn't mean people necessarily getting the shot. The right wingnuts claimed the shot would kill you. The former alleged president was pushing Hydroxychloroquine. Ya, something isn't adding up, all right. You have poor reasoning ability.
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The former president and his family also received the vaccine but couldn’t tweet about that. When he finally did bring it up his audience booed him.
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From what I have heard doctors are not the problem. They _know_ the patients don't need antibiotics, but patients come in and demand antibiotics for things that cannot be treated with antibiotics - and sue for malpractice if they don't get them - that doctors don't really have a choice in the matter.
Some pharmaceutical company should come up with a dozen placebos suffixed with "-mycin" so the doctors can prescribe those instead of actual antibiotics to those idiot patients demanding them. That would solve
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There was a time when Americans could insist they were the best, and there was actually an argument for it. Then "among the best in the world."
I guess 18th worst is better than it could be?
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Biden is NOT responsible for the anti-vax and anti-science Americans die - he's done everything he can do against the pro-death lobby. I hope COVID gets more deadly so we can fix this anti-science problem holding all humanity back with the harm they create.
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Probably not. The stupid will just breed a little more to nicely compensate.
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The stupid are already are heavy breeders thanks to all the science used to prevent Darwin.
We can still likely benefit from stupid but obedient humans. The Time Machine ended up with a lower class of sheep... Sure beats Idiocracy's outcome.
Perhaps we need an engineered virus to introduce an evolutionary pressure? Just make them sterile... except then Handmaden's Tale...
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"Study"? More like political propaganda...