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Heat Waves Could Soon Have Names (axios.com) 97

There's a growing effort to name and categorize heat waves the way we do hurricanes -- to call attention to their significance, alert people to dangerous temperatures and prod public officials into action. From a report: Excessive heat -- which hits low-income communities the hardest -- doesn't lend itself to dramatic TV coverage, so people sometimes underestimate the risk. Proponents of a more formal public warning system say it could save lives and trigger measures like opening community cooling stations and asking people to stay indoors. This month Seville, Spain is poised to become the first city to start naming severe heat waves. Five other cities -- Los Angeles; Miami; Milwaukee; Kansas City, Missouri; and Athens -- have also started piloting a similar initiative, using weather data and public health criteria to categorize heat waves. They'll use a three-category system that organizers want to standardize. Each city's system will be tailored to its particular climate. A "category three" heat wave in L.A., for example, will look and feel quite different from the same designation in Milwaukee.
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Heat Waves Could Soon Have Names

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  • by nevermindme ( 912672 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:13AM (#62603510)
    India being the original Home of Killer Heat Waves and in a move of inclusion I promote the use of the names of India.

    I await being dried by Heatwave Rajesh, killed in a heatwave named Kamla, and my bones baked to dust by Sri.
  • totes nrml (Score:2, Interesting)

    It's ok, this is totally normal. Besides, it's only 1300 deaths per year. We have always lived with heat. Or the climate has always changed.

    The Keeling Curve is still accelerating. 420ppm CO2, highest in a million years. Good luck "adapting" in your "cooling station".

    • It was a cool spring in the SouthEast, global warming LOL
      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Please try to keep up, that was the effect of La Nina. Anyhow, global warming doesn't mean everywhere gets warmer. It does tend to make for more weather extremes. And if you wish to concentrate on warming is a small place, look at Greenland. If it melts significantly, and it on the way, expect to see sea rise measured in feet.

        For another local effect of global warming look at the Great Salt Lake. Soon it will evaporate completely and become a producer of toxic dust (see Aral Sea for how that turns out). The

  • This is stupid (Score:2, Insightful)

    Because cities aren't going through the proper channels they should let the weather agency do the naming and categorizing because they have the most experience of dealing with the public. Cities probably don't even have their own meteorologists

    • Re:This is stupid (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ThomasBHardy ( 827616 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:38AM (#62603564)

      I would think that standardized and top-down driven would make a lot more sense than randomness. if I see a category 3 heat wave warning for a place I'm about to go visit, I'd like to know what that means without having to dig into the specific city's website and hunting to find out where it's noting what that means to that location.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      I wonder if it is an east coast vs west coast thing, but in the mid atlantic region at least large cities and their associated regions generally do have their own meteorological agency.
      • They have regional centers that are operated by the NOAA which is funded and operated by the federal government, I'm unaware of any cities or states that have their own meteorological agency that's funded or operated by the state or city.

  • Clowns (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    They sure are making fools of themselves. I wonder, will they consult the heat wave before giving it a name, to make sure they don't mis-gender the hot weather?
  • Hype and Stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xanthos ( 73578 ) <[xanthos] [at] [toke.com]> on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:20AM (#62603526)
    Welcome to the modern era folks where everything has an alarmist angle and self appointed "smart people" feel the need to dumb things down for the masses. I get that there is an expectation that severe heat events will occur more often and threaten more people. Not arguing against that premise, but not seeing the value of hyping up that category 3 / red heat wave Bonzo will be here this weekend.

    It is summer folks. Stay hydrated, use sun screen, limit your outdoor activities and hope like hell that the power grid holds.
    • It's not just mentioning it in the forecast, they have to take specific steps like activating air-conditioned facilities where people can go to stay safe, do wellness checks on vulnerable people, determine whether to cancel sporting events. Specific actions.

      Is it alarmist? Well, people die. How much of this is it actually being hotter vs. the progress of civilization getting better at detecting and intervening is debatable, but being somewhat the latter doesn't make it invalid.

      • It's not just mentioning it in the forecast, they have to take specific steps like activating air-conditioned facilities where people can go to stay safe, do wellness checks on vulnerable people, determine whether to cancel sporting events. Specific actions.

        Is it alarmist? Well, people die. How much of this is it actually being hotter vs. the progress of civilization getting better at detecting and intervening is debatable, but being somewhat the latter doesn't make it invalid.

        I don't think it is alarmist. But it really is stupid. We've had heat waves before, and somehow despite them not having a name (or a personal pronoun) people who would have gotten the word before will still get the word. People who don't, or get it and ignore warnings will continue on their way.

        There's always reports of some elderly person found dead in their home/apartment with their ceiling fan and TV running during heat waves. It's sad, and no doubt, but giving a heat wave a name really won't save a o

    • Hype is important currency in the information economy. Some messages are really important and they get lost in the noise for most people. There is just too much information flowing into people's lives to know what's important. I hate to say it, but we need a way to make it stand out. Giving something a name doesn't dumb it down - it doesn't sound like they're hiding important information. Just giving a moniker to track it by helps create a common language and context.

      • Hype is important currency in the information economy. Some messages are really important and they get lost in the noise for most people. There is just too much information flowing into people's lives to know what's important. I hate to say it, but we need a way to make it stand out. Giving something a name doesn't dumb it down - it doesn't sound like they're hiding important information. Just giving a moniker to track it by helps create a common language and context.

        All that it does is add hype upon hype, adding to the noise. I don't really care, we do stupid things all the time. But I would assume that heAt wave deaths would plummet to near zero if this actually worked.

        But they won't.

        People in general have a way to sense heat, other than those unfortunates with CIPA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        Most of us will take precautions when it is hot or cold to avoid being killed by that heat or cold. Accidents can happen, but naming an event won't negate chance,

        • Under the BEST estimates portions of the U.S. will be uninhabitable [propublica.org] and some heatwaves in the U.S. will move into the "Crock pot" level of 130+ where EVERYONE dies
          • Under the BEST estimates portions of the U.S. will be uninhabitable [propublica.org] and some heatwaves in the U.S. will move into the "Crock pot" level of 130+ where EVERYONE dies

            You link didn't show uninhabitability, but I'm not certain if you are disagreeing with me or what.

            My point is that naming heatwaves is pretty pointless, and I might add is adding just that much more noise to the hype machine.

            I get weather alerts all the time. Recently it has been weather alerts saying that no significant weather is likely to occur. And a lot of Chicken little type stuff, as people are afraid that if they don't forecast the worst, they might somehow be liable. Eventually you simply tu

            • Increased temperatures increase evaporative actions. That results in increased rainfall.

              no.
              Just ask the Indian Farmers when the Monsoon COOLING doesn't happen (about every 3 years now and becoming more common)
              Or ask the satellites why the Himalaya glaciers are retreating
              Or ask the Bearing sea shore residents why winter ice is record thin
              RISING temperatures means LOWER rainfall over land.
              Get over the b.s. from Exxon et al.
              Read Realclimate.org for latest updates on detection of bullshit claims by oiligopolists.

              • Increased temperatures increase evaporative actions. That results in increased rainfall.

                no.

                Yes

                Just ask the Indian Farmers when the Monsoon COOLING doesn't happen (about every 3 years now and becoming more common)

                Y'all are going to have to argue with physics. https://www.reference.com/scie... [reference.com]

                Or ask the satellites why the Himalaya glaciers are retreating. Or ask the Bearing sea shore residents why winter ice is record thin RISING temperatures means LOWER rainfall over land. Get over the b.s. from Exxon et al.

                Argue with NASA, who are using data, not histrionics: https://www.nasa.gov/vision/ea... [nasa.gov]

                Read Realclimate.org for latest updates on detection of bullshit claims by oiligopolists.

                I do data and physics, not histrionics. It gets a little boring for some people.

                But now some questions, because not everything you wrote makes sense to me. Elucidate, if you will. What are you saying? That either increased rate of evaporation does not exist, or that land will become a desert, as rain won't fall on land. All precipi

                • No.
                  Higher temperatures only increase water uptake.
                  Air has to COOL before there is more precipitation, thus all the water loss events I noted
                  Learn to read.
                  • No. Higher temperatures only increase water uptake. Air has to COOL before there is more precipitation, thus all the water loss events I noted Learn to read.

                    Oh my, at this point, I'm embarrassed for you.

                    The guy who tells me I need to learn to read doesn't understand the monsoon mechanics or how air cools.

                    What will most likely happen in most of the areas where monsoon activity occurs, is that the dry seasons will be hotter and drier, and the wet seasons will be wetter. The extra water vapor cannot stay in the atmosphere. There will be an overall somewhat higher amount of water vapor, but it must cycle out. The present atmospheric water cycle is 9 days, and i

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      Welcome to the modern era folks where everything has an alarmist angle... limit your outdoor activities and hope like hell that the power grid holds.

      I for one am glad that there's more planning going into things by smart people, rather than just "hope like hell".

      • This is not planning by "smart" people. It's politicians that derive power from alarmism. The people implementing this are no smarter than the average person. Adding names will change nothing. We already have local news media doing public service announcements when severe weather of any kind is forecasted. Cities already take extra steps for both severe heat and cold. It's a waste of time and resources.

    • limit your outdoor activities and hope like hell that the power grid holds.

      In other words, the people of Texas are going to get screwed even more than they already are.
    • Stupid. Seriously stupid
      O.K., let's take it from the top. Sunscreen is worthless when you get a Pakistani class heatwave of 120+ at 90% RH.
      We're talking uninhabitable by the third day, EVERYONE (or close enough for economic purpose) will die. AC fails by 117, and EVERYONE who does not evacuate will die. [propublica.org]
    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      It is summer folks. Stay hydrated, use sun screen, limit your outdoor activities and hope like hell that the power grid holds.

      You do realize there are places that don't generally have air conditioning as standard, right? Because it rarely got hot enough to even need it - typically getting into the 90s for a few days a year. The rest of the time it hangs around the mid-70s and 80s, and for that, normal window ventilation and fans work. (Sorry, there is no need to keep the AC at 72 degrees - I don't understan

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:21AM (#62603534)
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    • It seems like there's a new crisis every day and I blame the 24/7 non-stop news mongers. After all, they have to fill airtime and tweets and youtube with unnecessary stuff to keep you up at night.

      So in the past month, we have:

      Inflation
      Fuel Prices
      Baby Formula
      Food Shortages looming
      Monkey Pox
      School shootings, more shootings, dumb police, woke prosecutors.
      Elections
      Ukraine is losing, send them more weapons.
      Drag Queen shows in bars with kids.

      Next, it will be flying monkeys taking you and your little dog away.

      It's

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by postbigbang ( 761081 )

        Dear Young Person,

        It has always been thus.

        Yours truly,

        An oldster.

        p.s. The drag shows are safer than churches and schools.

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          • Churches having violence in the past 12 months in the USA: 27
            Drag shows having violence in the past 12 months in the USA: 0

            Comparatively, drag shows are safer than church attendance.

            But yes, safety is an illusion punctuated eventually by inescapable death. With 100% accuracy, I predict we all die. The devil is in the details.

            Keep waking up in the morning, is my mantra.

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        • p.s. The drag shows are safer than churches and schools.

          Well, in churches and schools they rarely have large neon signs screaming at the kids that "It won't lick itself".

          • And such things lead to violent death????

            Do let us know where you've seen that sign, by the way. Sounds a bit tawdry. Most drag shows are much more vanilla, although some are baudy, indeed.

            • Do let us know where you've seen that sign, by the way. Sounds a bit tawdry.

              Here you go It's not going to lick itself [youtube.com]

              • Eww. Tawdry.

                I'll take it over NATO .556 ammo in my head, any day.

                • I'll take it over NATO .556 ammo in my head, any day.

                  The chances of that happening are miniscule.

                  If you were to get shot, God forbid, the overwhelming odds would be of it coming from a handgun....mostly likely 9mm.

                  • See above statistics, which refute your claim. See also that I didn't add in the school shootings.

                    One statistic is deadly, the other merely ewww and a bad parental choice.

                    We have drills where kids dive under their desks these day, not unlike how my generation prepared for a nuclear attack from the Soviet sphere.

                    Kids today are faced with fairly blatant sexual choices. This has mixed blessings, as people aren't beaten to death for being something not heterosexual or gender compliant. Nasty adults? Is that new

          • They don't have those signs in animal shelters either. I don't see how that's relevant here.
            • They don't have those signs in animal shelters either. I don't see how that's relevant here.

              It is not appropriate for children.

    • Now the people are cooling down about covid, time to give them a brand new source of scare,over things they can't control.

      A mentally sane, emotionaly balanced well thinking General populace?

      Not in this country. It's against the general push. . Give them new scare names. that will destabilize them

      You've displayed absolutely no knowledge about heat casualties, why did this even trigger you?

      There's going to be 108 degree days in Texas this weekend, you picked an incredibly bad time for that take.
      Military bases in the US use a color coded heat index system with five categories, with literal flags run up poles every day.
      Military: black flag day, outdoor training cancelled. Civies: hur dur it's hot out, don't be scared

      https://www.ready.marines.mil/... [marines.mil]
      https://www.runnersworld.com/t... [runnersworld.com]

      The idea is for every race to determine its own temperature where runner medical problems could begin to overstress local ambulance and medical response.

      There's your averag

  • by muh_freeze_peach ( 9622152 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:23AM (#62603544)
    This seems like a way to get more advertising dollars for news channels, drumming up hype. I can hear the klaxon sounding: "Tune in at the top of the hour for HEATWAVE CARL coverage, brought to you by McDonald's"
    • That would be heatwave Ronald brought to you by McDonald's. Heatwave Carl was sponsored by Carl's Jr., and let's not forget that Walter will be coming late in the season, courtesy of your local Wal-Mart.
    • This seems like a way to get more advertising dollars for news channels, drumming up hype. I can hear the klaxon sounding: "Tune in at the top of the hour for HEATWAVE CARL coverage, brought to you by McDonald's"

      Obviously the sponsor would be Dairy Queen.

  • Frank's a nice name.

  • A "category three" heat wave in L.A., for example

    How about business and consumer-unfriendly policies making little air conditioners more expensive, leading to waves of deaths of old people who can't afford it?

    We can call it a "category three" command-and-control wave.

    • A "category three" heat wave in L.A., for example

      How about business and consumer-unfriendly policies making little air conditioners more expensive, leading to waves of deaths of old people who can't afford it?

      We can call it a "category three" command-and-control wave.

      If it were simple as that.

      We have Government assistance for paying electrical bills https://www.usa.gov/help-with-... [usa.gov], as well as utility companies https://www.needhelppayingbill... [needhelppayingbills.com]

      Heating oil assistance as well, but that's a different topic.

      It's a strange world we live in. I'm trying to find the cites for some people in a Chicago heat wave some years back where people had functioning AC, but wouldn't use it. And some people don't "believe" in AC - whatever that means.

      This is more than just the usual

  • They're called Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico.

  • Heat waves are a fact of life down here in the deep South. We have so many, the names would eventually look like Youtube video IDs.
    • Exactly. It's like inventing a new name for "Tuesday"
    • by jd ( 1658 )

      A heat wave implies there's some other time of the year. Even in South Carolina, I remember two seasons - Summer and Other Summer.

      • I visited there a couple times, and my thought was "how can sane people live here?" and then I realized the answer.

        I grew up in central California where it got over 100F regularly (38C), sometimes briefly hitting 110F. though not as humid as the south-east it was not desert dry either. I had a friend from Georgia who had to apologize for scoffing that it couldn't be that miserable without the humidity. But it was in "waves", in that the super high temperatures didn't last more than a week

    • "Sweaty Pie"?

  • Guess weather.com needed some more clickbait it could push to justify itself to advertisers.
    • I thought it seemed useless and silly when they started naming winter storms... Now heat waves: I heard Sally was really hot that year!
  • I assume this is a push from the insurance industry so that like with named storms they can reduce or illiminate coverage of damages.

  • .. but if you want a good blow, go with Hurricane Agatha.

  • by byromaniac ( 8103402 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:46AM (#62603802)
    When I was kid growing up in the Southern US, they had a similar scheme for rating the severity of a heat wave. They used a numeric scale, and gave a value they called the "expected highs." Although this scale used an arbitrary and antiquated unit known as "degrees Fahrenheit," the locals were all attuned to the system and automatically converted it into more meaningful values like "hot," "real hot," "damn hot," etc... as appropriate for the locale. It worked fine.

    If they want to update the system this would be a great time to introduce the new centigrade scale that's been going around. It even comes with a nice rhyming conversion table!

    30 is hot
    20 is nice
    10 is chilly
    0 is ice
    • Re:Numeric scales (Score:4, Interesting)

      by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:24AM (#62603906)
      In Delhi it was 47 this week.

      45 is death
      40 is hot
      30 is fair
      20 is sweater
      10 is jacket
      0 is bonfire
    • If they want to update the system this would be a great time to introduce the new centigrade scale that's been going around.

      Nah...I would have no innate knowledge of the temp by hear it.

      If the weatherman said it was 48F outside, I'd know exactly how to dress.

      If he said it was 15C, I'd have to get some conversion chart to F and then figure how to dress.

      I'd would be like cooking, I know how long to cook a large brisket roast at 270F...I'd have no idea how to cook it C gradations.

      Sure we could switch here

      • Or you could go with the rhymes [reddit.com], like "thirty is hot, twenty is nice, ten is cold and zero is ice."
      • If the weatherman said it was 48F outside, I'd know exactly how to dress.
        If he said it was 15C, I'd have to get some conversion chart to F and then figure how to dress.

        Well that's kind of silly for you for learning a temperature scale used by a tiny minority of the world.

        • Well that's kind of silly for you for learning a temperature scale used by a tiny minority of the world.

          Well, that's what is used in the US. It is a very large country.

          And most of us rarely if ever find need to travel outside our country where we'd encounter the metric system being widely used.

          The imperial system is what is taught in schools. I know the metric is mentioned too, but it isn't really used in daily life here at all.

          Outside of the lab in school, I've never really encountered it in daily life

          • And most of us rarely if ever find need to travel outside our country

            You can be sure it shows.

            • You can be sure it shows.

              So what?

              In many cases, it is quite nice to have a country as large and diversified as the US as that you can travel and visit many interesting places and meet different people that are still US citizens...and not have to bother about visas, etc.

              There's a LOT to do here before we run out of things and have to think about travel outside of our borders.

      • by kunwon1 ( 795332 )
        How far can you get in life without learning celsius? I'm a 40yo American and I can work with kilometers or celsius as easily as with miles or fahrenheit, or however you spell it. After enough exposure to it, it just becomes natural

        I think a lot of people who claim it would be difficult are simply opposed to it because it's different, and hence they put their head in the sand and never learn
        • How far can you get in life without learning celsius?

          I'm older than you and outside of the lab in college, I've never needed to use metric for anything really in daily life.

  • Do we know how they self-identify?

    Because it seems more than a little oppressive for us to give them names that may not match their personal envisionment of their sexuality, gender, or quasi-ethnic background.*

    *insofar as we even dare project the Western patriarchy's view of "ethnicity" associated with "names"

  • We know that hurricanes & blizzards mean get lots of milk & bread, and Pandemics mean get lots of toilet paper.

    So, what are the items of import when a heat wave is announced?

  • Heat waves should be named after porn stars.

  • And then they'll sell naming rights to the highest bidder.

    We'll have the Trane Air Conditioning heat wave, and the Igloo Cooler heat wave.

  • The first Heat Wave better be named properly.

  • Gets lame after a while, so using different names should be cool.

  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Thursday June 09, 2022 @06:49AM (#62606366)
    It's pretty obvious that the real motive is the third in the list - "prod public officials into action". Not by making sure resources are available to help, but to push them to adopt a particular political agenda.

The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

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