MI5 and FBI Heads Issue Joint Warning On Chinese Spying (bbc.com) 67
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: The heads of UK and US security services have made an unprecedented joint appearance to warn of the threat from China. FBI director Christopher Wray said China was the "biggest long-term threat to our economic and national security" and had interfered in politics, including recent elections. MI5 head Ken McCallum said his service had more than doubled its work against Chinese activity in the last three years and would be doubling it again. MI5 is now running seven times as many investigations related to activities of the Chinese Communist Party compared to 2018, he added. The FBI's Wray warned that if China was to forcibly take Taiwan it would "represent one of the most horrific business disruptions the world has ever seen."
The first ever joint public appearance by the two directors came at MI5 headquarters in Thames House, London. McCallum also said the challenge posed by the Chinese Communist Party was "game-changing," while Wray called it "immense" and "breath-taking." Wray warned the audience -- which included chief executives of businesses and senior figures from universities -- that the Chinese government was "set on stealing your technology" using a range of tools. He said it posed "an even more serious threat to western businesses than even many sophisticated businesspeople realized." He cited cases in which people linked to Chinese companies out in rural America had been digging up genetically modified seeds which would have cost them billions of dollars and nearly a decade to develop themselves. He also said China deployed cyber espionage to "cheat and steal on a massive scale," with a hacking program larger than that of every other major country combined.
The MI5 head said intelligence about cyber threats had been shared with 37 countries and that in May a sophisticated threat against aerospace had been disrupted. McCallum also pointed to a series of examples linked to China. [...] The MI5 head said new legislation would help to deal with the threat but the UK also needed to become a "harder target" by ensuring that all parts of society were more aware of the risks. He said that reform of the visa system had seen over 50 students linked to the Chinese military leaving the UK. "China has for far too long counted on being everybody's second-highest priority," Wray said, adding: "They are not flying under the radar anymore."
The first ever joint public appearance by the two directors came at MI5 headquarters in Thames House, London. McCallum also said the challenge posed by the Chinese Communist Party was "game-changing," while Wray called it "immense" and "breath-taking." Wray warned the audience -- which included chief executives of businesses and senior figures from universities -- that the Chinese government was "set on stealing your technology" using a range of tools. He said it posed "an even more serious threat to western businesses than even many sophisticated businesspeople realized." He cited cases in which people linked to Chinese companies out in rural America had been digging up genetically modified seeds which would have cost them billions of dollars and nearly a decade to develop themselves. He also said China deployed cyber espionage to "cheat and steal on a massive scale," with a hacking program larger than that of every other major country combined.
The MI5 head said intelligence about cyber threats had been shared with 37 countries and that in May a sophisticated threat against aerospace had been disrupted. McCallum also pointed to a series of examples linked to China. [...] The MI5 head said new legislation would help to deal with the threat but the UK also needed to become a "harder target" by ensuring that all parts of society were more aware of the risks. He said that reform of the visa system had seen over 50 students linked to the Chinese military leaving the UK. "China has for far too long counted on being everybody's second-highest priority," Wray said, adding: "They are not flying under the radar anymore."
New Cold War (Score:4, Insightful)
But we're way too distracted by nonsense social issues like woke mobs and critical race theory... Tribalism is a hell of a drug.
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let the hand waving and pooh poohing commence
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With the money we spend building super yachts for that tiny percentage we could easily solve the problem.
By spending it on what? If it's as easy as you say, then that should be easy to answer.
Though in my experience usually when you describe a solution to any given problem as "easy", your solution is either counterproductive (causes the opposite effect) or isn't even relevant to the problem.
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Re:New Cold War (Score:4, Informative)
Let's see, how about we start with some desalinization plants so that the entire Southwest doesn't run out of water.
A) Not going to do enough. Not even close.
B) Money isn't the reason there aren't more. Not only do they have the money for it, but the People's Republic of California is, in at least some cases, forbidding it:
https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]
Then let's go ahead and do the green New deal so that we can not all run out of food and water because of the changes to the environment or have to deal with the tens of millions of climate refugees.
A) The "green new deal" isn't about climate change:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertai... [yahoo.com]
B) Even if you did do this, there's no guarantee that it will do anything about droughts in particular. There isn't even a correlational relationship between drought and climate change.
C) Even if A and B were the case, another problem you're dealing with is that the pundits claim that it's about reducing emissions, meaning that not only would this not have any short term impact, but any possible improvement would take decades, if not a century or more.
Oh and the United States and China both still have privately run healthcare systems that absolutely suck. China's private health Care system is so bad they did hyper lockdowns because they were terrified of their system collapsing. Covid is quite survivable if you get medical treatment but if the hospital system collapses, heck a country like China would probably have tens of millions of death, maybe hundreds.
What does this have to do with the southwest running out of water?
When we're talking about the kind of money the .1% have we're no longer talking about buying shit we're talking about basic allocation of resources of human civilization. It's so much money and power it's beyond the ability of mortals to understand. It's like trying to comprehend Infinity.
No, it's really not. I don't know what makes you think throwing money at any given problem solves it, because that's literally exactly what you're proposing. Take for example the recent global food shortage -- you can't just say "oh spend more money on agriculture!" It's really not that simple at all.
Your solutions honestly sound like you just got done playing a game of Civilization 6 and then decided that because you won a science victory, you suddenly now know how to run the world. Would be like a Sim City player saying "if only the city built more police stations, we'd have less crime!"
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Not only do they have the money for it, but the People's Republic of California is, in at least some cases, forbidding it:
As stated in the Reuters article you linked, the California Coastal Commission voted against one desalination plant but has approved
11 other desalination plants, including another one that Poseidon has operated down the coast in Carlsbad since 2015. The Carlsbad desalination plant, the largest in the United States, turns ocean water to drinking water in 90 minutes, but it was built on more elevated geography and approved before statewide desalination regulations came into effect.
So with only that single plant in Huntington Beach being blocked, on the whole California have been pretty positive about using desalination plants to improve its water supply. The technology that Poseidon uses was developed in Israel and produces a significant percentage of the San Diego potable water supply, with significant new capacity being added in the near future.
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None of this is at odds with anything I said.
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Re: New Cold War (Score:2)
Completely wrong. My point was that money isn't the reason why desalination won't work.
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My point was that money isn't the reason why desalination won't work.
Desalination "works". It does exactly what it is expected to do by those who implement it.
Israel depends on it and cannot function without it.
California has been adding desalination plants and will be adding more.
It provides proven potable water solutions at an affordable price.
So what is your point about "why desalination won't work"...?
You're just trying to encourage us to do nothing (Score:1)
I don't know if you work from Fox News but you're using their talking points whether you know it or not. You should be aware of the propaganda you're absorbing.
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Not really, 'sanctuary cities' don't do it to look 'woke' they do it to keep workers that they rely on to landscape, build, maintain, feed, etc... those cities and their 'legal' inhabitants.
Undocumented Migrants provide needed services and the ONLY reason that they are disconnected from their home countries is that it is impossible to travel there and return due to their undocumented status
Simply allowing low paying job workers to apply for their own work programs without getting swamped by high tech job se
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There is a bigger problem that isn't being considered. Americans are not screwing like they used to. Without immigration, the pop. would be decreasing. That brings up who will be paying for Social Security and Medicare. There is a significant proportion of people in the U.S. who think those programs are only rewarding slackers. In that case, I hope they are first in line to reject any payments from them and welcome their parents and grandparents into their homes to live their final, expensive years.
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Also, whatever a defunct fruit company did a hundred years ago, it did not cause South American governments to fail today. And I defy you to come up with an excuse for trying to steal and convert the one resource those nations need to fix their problems and turn it into our cheap labor, to the detriment of not only those nations and those people
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And also the Christian Taliban's Satanic Influences of the Month.
Re: New Cold War (Score:1)
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Oh, and just for future reference - the US "Super Yacht" market is around $7-800 million dollars, with the entire US yacht market being probably around $2.4 billion. If you took the entire global yacht market and gave that money to everyone, it would come out to a little over a buck a person. Size of the global yacht market - $8.5 billion (https://www.grand
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They are also not not Chinese.
Re:Google, Microsoft and Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
8964, bitch.
Google, Microsoft and Apple arent responsible for the Tiananmen square massacre, or the ongoing uyghur genocide, or the forced sterilization of tibetan women.
You CCP apologists/astroturfers really disgust me. Burn in Hell.
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No one is apologising for Chinese human rights atrocities
Yes you are. Everytime a post about the CCP is published on /., almost instantly a bunch of whataboutists "but but USA !" start flooding the gates, most of them anonymously of course. Heck, just look at this thread so far. Except for your posts, just a bunch of anonymous uyghur and tiananmen denialists, all of them suckpuppet account of CCP shills and astroturfers. Everytime you take focus away from the main subject of the story with a whataboutist post, you play the game of the CCP.
Yes, mass domestic surve
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I'm not american, fucking CCP shill. And yes, my mods are real, because I like to think that good, decent, intelligent human beings still outnumber morally corrupt CCP astroturfers like yourself trying to downmod every post even remotely critical of the CCP, while posting anonymously to preserve their precious modpoints, because as I said, people like you are intellectually dishonest, morally corrupt pieces of shit.
believing the lies their government tells them.
Oh the fucking irony.
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I'm old enough to have witnessed 8964 as it was happening. It was being covered live by every news media in the world. That is, of course, before the CCP decided to forsibly expel every foreign journalist from the country, so they couldn't show the world the massacre that followed.
Tell me, when was the last time the U.S., Canada, France, Great Britain, or any democratic country for that matter (even highly disfunctional ones like the U.S.) expelled foreign journalists from their territory ? I'll tell you wh
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I have no sockpuppet accounts. But I can see why someone with questionnable moral would infer that.
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Fuck off, anonymous CCP shill.
Re:what, Russian spying too cliche now? (Score:5, Interesting)
Everyone spies on everyone... but there are differences in goals and methods.
USSR/Russia was/is focused on Government and Military affairs => traditional spy games.
China is focused on Corporate/Scientific/Technological affairs => corporate espionage.
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What's more, China is ahead of the West in some areas so even if they didn't spy it wouldn't stop them simply beating us in a straight up competition.
China makes the best EV batteries. Huawei is years ahead of everyone else on 5G and now some of the WiFi stuff. They have some AI tech that is seriously impressive. For small scale manufacturing, China is unbeatable.
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Careful. If you shill any harder you will give yourself a hernia.
That reminds me (Score:1, Insightful)
of a certain CNN article [cnn.com]:
Trump called out China for "espionage to steal our industrial secrets, of which there are many," announced steps to protect American investors from Chinese financial practices, accused Beijing of "unlawfully claiming territory in the Pacific Ocean" and threatening freedom of navigation.
And yet, he was called a lunatic.
Re:That reminds me (Score:5, Insightful)
That's not why he was called a lunatic, and you know it, too. I hear he also breathes air and eats food. Well. A variant of food, anyway.
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And yet, his and his daughter's tat is still being produced in China. Something about not being able to produce it cheaper elsewhere.
Several administrations have called out China for "espionage to steal our industrial secrets, of which there are many,' ". His answer was tariffs that pleased American companies because now they could charge Americans more for their stuff. And the Chinese never did fulfill the "trade agreement" from the "master negotiator".
Several administrations have "accused Beijing of 'unla
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Re:Uyghurs, Tibet and IP theft should be enough (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Uyghurs, Tibet and IP theft should be enough (Score:5, Insightful)
Yep, they'll continue to get those profits until China finishes putting the noose around the company's neck and produce the company's stuff in China with Chinese companies. China plays a long game, American investors do not.
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Now do the Five Eyes (Score:1, Interesting)
Buh but... (Score:5, Funny)
Funny.. (Score:1)
PLA's Three Warfares stooges are posting again (Score:1)
Warning needs more diversity... (Score:1)
Government Traitors (Score:1)