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US Approves Nearly All Tech Exports To China, Data Shows (wsj.com) 35

The U.S. has identified intensifying technological competition with China as a top national-security threat. But a Commerce Department-led process that reviews U.S. tech exports to the country approves almost all requests and has overseen an increase in sales of some particularly important technologies, according to an analysis of trade data. From a report: Of the U.S.'s total $125 billion in exports to China in 2020, officials required a license for less than half a percent, Commerce Department data shows. Of that fraction, the agency approved 94%, or 2,652, applications for technology exports to China. The figures omit applications "returned without action," meaning their outcomes were uncertain. The result: The U.S. continues to send to China an array of semiconductors, aerospace components, artificial-intelligence technology and other items that could be used to advance Beijing's military interests.

The Commerce Department says it is focused on long-term, strategic competition with China and that it makes export-control decisions with its interagency partners in the Defense, State and Energy Departments. Critics say Commerce officials are improperly giving priority to U.S. commercial interests over national security and that an urgent regulatory revamp is necessary to respond to the threat from Beijing. For Steve Coonen, the Pentagon's former top China export-controls analyst, the high rate of approvals for licenses to sell tech with potential military use is evidence of significant policy failure.

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @03:32PM (#62794783)

    Not only are they excluding applications "returned without action", but people probably have a pretty good idea what will and won't get approved before they apply, and they WON'T APPLY for things that wouldn't get approved. No matter what the standards are, you're going to see the vast majority of the applications approved as soon as people adjust to the rules.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Just like you should always fire the bottom 10th percentile of your staff once a year, you should always reject at least 10% of the applications every year. It ensures quality.
      • This would encourage a flood of requests, many of which would be things that "should" be rejected. Stupid rules get stupid results. Similarly, the bottom "10%" rules for firing encourage managers to make poor hires so they can keep employees they like. It's bad for the company and bad for the to-be-fired employees.

        If this is difficult for you to understand, you are in the bottom 10%.
      • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

        Just like you should always fire the bottom 10th percentile of your staff once a year, you should always reject at least 10% of the applications every year. It ensures quality.

        Just like you should always fire the bottom 10th percentile of your staff once a year, you should always reject at least 10% of the applications every year. It ensures quality.

        This maxim does not take into account the dysfunctional employees who creates stress for the colleagues around them, imposing a cognitive load on everyone else's ability to perform.

        Fire everybody who acts in a rude and unprofessional manner without owning their behaviors so that the people around them perform better. Then you will need less staff because they will be more effective.

  • ...most of big tech is beholden to China and you see it in their policies. US government politicians are all bought and paid for by Chinese lobbyists. In short, there are very few people looking out for the US's best interest.
  • by slack_justyb ( 862874 ) on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @03:54PM (#62794853)

    You know what? This one of those moments Senator Josh Hawley (when he's done running in the halls of Congress) could actually step up and purpose policy on. This is like his thing and would be an excellent chance for him to show his chops on the matter! Oh but of course he won't because he actually isn't an expert on this topic, he just likes to say "Chii-na!" like it's some boogeyman and talk about how AWESOME he is in foreign trade and policy. (I'm sure all of Slashdot can feel my eye roll there)

    But in all seriousness, this is literally something Republicans could jump on. The Department of Commerce is looking for clear policy and who better to provide it than Congress itself! Additionally, they could work with the President to establish likewise with Germany, South Korea, and Japan because if we put stricter controls on exports, boy you better believe one of them is jumping at the chance to have amazing relations with China.

    Like this is one of those cases where if Republicans weren't "Let's Go Brandon" so hard, they could actually solve this. Like Congress has the correct composition to get this done by 2023. But because political lines are what they are, we're just going to look at this and go "Gee, I wish there was something more we could do."

    This is one of those things that the deep partisanship is sinking when it could easily be a bipartisan slam dunk. The US is so fucked on getting anything done, this kind of stuff is the crap that'll sink the country. This is just so furiously within grasp of getting done, but nobody wants to do anything about it. Liberals and Conservatives across the board want this done in law so we have a solid future policy, but Congress yet again is punting to the Executive to "Meh, you all just create new regulations so that when you create ones that we don't like we can screech at you without actually helping." Bravo, Congress.

    • The partisanship is part of what's holding up movement on this. The Republicans, who traditionally SHOULD move on this, and would move on this, don't dare do ANYTHING that could be construed as positive while there's a sitting Democratic president. Because if they managed to get enough Democratic support to pass it, they'd have to admit that something they wanted done happened under the Democratic eye. How would they keep the fires stoked if they cooperated?

      The Democrats are just as guilty when it comes to

      • by Duhavid ( 677874 )

        "The Democrats are just as guilty when it comes to the reverse."

        Have to disagree. Where do you see Democrats avoiding action?
        They just passed the Climate, Etc bill that has items in it that Republicans support, but it passed.

        • Good for them. How about we wait to see if anything comes of it before we pop the corks? The ACA passed too and it was an utter shit-show for most of us. I look for the eventual fallout of this bill to be more of the same. Take more money from the middle and lower class and hand it to the rich. "For the planet" is the new battle-cry, but the end result will absolutely be the same.

        • I think you missed the point, which was that the neither party wants a president from the other side to look good. When one party controls both the legislative and executive branches, they work together to pass things and make each other look good. So, an example of what nightflameauto is talking about would be when Pelosi kept the second Covid relief bill off the floor until after the 2020 election so Trump couldn't tout it as a win during the campaign. What you cite is just an example of a party crammi
      • Or it could just be that because the GOP is in the minority in both chambers, they can't advance, let alone pass, legislation without considerable support from the other side of the aisle.
    • But in all seriousness, this is literally something Republicans could jump on.

      Absolutely they won't. If the Republicans do anything it will be jumped on by Democrats as bad for America. It will become an election campaign issue.

      The Republicans will stand back and let the rest of the country judge how well the Dems are running the country.

      After the election (the Reps are expected to retake the house and senate) they will have a) no reason to do anything, and anything they actually do will b) be jumped on by Democrats as bad for America.

      The best move for any non-Democrat at this point

      • by Klaxton ( 609696 )

        So the GOP isn't capable of governing, nor do they want to bother because "it will be jumped on by Democrats as bad for America". Hilarious!

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @04:41PM (#62794971)

    There's profit to be had! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the shareholders?

  • Export control is probably not the relevant tool, since really sensible technology have built-in kill switches or spywares.
  • by sonoronos ( 610381 ) on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:51PM (#62795079)

    This is common person FUD for people who don't understand ITAR/EAR (or don't know it exists.)

    This story is just trash meant for the people who simultaneously both Hate China and Hate The US Government.

  • why not? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RhettLivingston ( 544140 ) on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:18PM (#62795121) Journal
    I can understand holding back something that has military application and that China cannot already make. But that list would be very short. China is a high tech country now. They have more engineers than we have and are ahead of us scientifically in several areas. Because of their population advantage, we're unlikely to ever regain the lead. Playing catchup with fewer resources would put us in the same position we've put the Russians in in the past. We'd have to invest a higher percentage than them to get the same result. But, most importantly, withholding technology that they already have is doing nothing but denying ourselves profit. It hurts nobody but us.
  • Just wondering if 2020 was typical, or fit the curve of a trend, or was representative of one presidential administrtion but not another, or... y'know. One data point isn't all that useful.

  • Maybe it drains intellectual energy from America, OR...

    It makes the day come quicker when China is a free country, because it's being infused with intellectual energy untainted by their tragic history.

    I know which one of those is more flattering. And which one would inspire me to be a better American, rather than a lazy and paranoid American.
    • I don't think there's any technology they don't have that would achieve the second goal. Techniques to circumvent the great firewall, yes, but no tech they don't have. That's an issue that needs social/cultural influence now. They now have a middle class and a handful of people who are wealthy independently of the CCP, so it's up to them now to break the back of the Party.
      • There are obviously significant technologies they don't have or they wouldn't be constantly buying them from us, and the reason I think those are politically significant is a simple question: Why don't they already have them? We've been trading with them at very high volume for over two decades, and allegedly their middle class is already bigger than ours. So...why don't they already have the tech, at least at good enough quality? What is missing in their society that would cause their tech economy to co
  • Can't actually read the article, and its from the WSJ anyways which has zero credibility.

    • Actually, although WSJ certainly leans right in its editorial section, it has the least biased reporting of the major national papers. Yeah, I can't afford to subscribe, either.

      • by Klaxton ( 609696 )

        Here's a report about the WSJ report;
        https://www.washingtonexaminer... [washingtonexaminer.com]

        "An estimated 94% of tech-related applications, or 2,652 in total, were approved, according to the Wall Street Journal. This implies that the U.S. has continued to send semiconductors, aerospace components, AI elements, and other technologies overseas."

        Just because lots of things were approved doesn't mean all that stuff was exported.

  • There would have to be something fundamentally wrong with the process if the majority of applications were not being approved. Most people don't go through the process of filing applications if they don't meet requirements for approval. So the high percent is just an indicator that the conditions for approval are well documented and provided to applicants, it says absolutely nothing about whether too much or too little is being permitted.

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