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A Tool That Monitors How Long Kids Are In the Bathroom Is Now In 1,000 American Schools (vice.com) 90

e-HallPass, a digital system that students have to use to request to leave their classroom and which takes note of how long they've been away, including to visit the bathroom, has spread into at least a thousand schools around the United States. Motherboard reports: On Monday, a since deleted tweet went viral in which someone claimed that their school was preparing to introduce e-HallPass, and described it as "the program where we track how long, at what time, and how often each child goes to the restroom and store that information on third party servers run by a private for-profit company." Motherboard then identified multiple schools across the U.S. that appear to use the technology by searching the web for instruction manuals, announcements, and similar documents from schools that mentioned the technology. Those results included K-12 schools such as Franklin Regional Middle School, Fargo Public Schools, River City High School, Loyalsock Township School District, and Cabarrus County Schools. Also schools Motherboard found that appear to use e-HallPass include Mehlville High School, Eagle County School District, Hopatcong Borough Schools, and Pope Francis Preparatory School. These schools are spread across the country, with some in California, New York, Virginia, and North Carolina. Eduspire, the company that makes e-HallPass, told trade publication EdSurge in March that 1,000 schools use the system. Brian Tvenstrup, president of Eduspire, told the outlet that the company's biggest obstacle to selling the product "is when a school isn't culturally ready to make these kinds of changes yet."

The system itself works as a piece of software installed on a computer or mobile device. Students request a pass through the software and the teacher then approves it. The tool promises "hall omniscience" with the ability to "always know who has a pass and who doesn't (without asking the student!)," according to the product's website. Admins can then access data collected through the software, and view a live dashboard showing details on all passes. e-HallPass can also stop meet-ups of certain students and limit the amount of passes going to certain locations, the website adds, explicitly mentioning "vandalism and TikTok challenges." Many of the schools Motherboard identified appear to use e-HallPass specifically on Chromebooks, according to student user guides and similar documents hosted on the schools' websites, though it also advertises that it can be used to track students on their personal cell phones.

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A Tool That Monitors How Long Kids Are In the Bathroom Is Now In 1,000 American Schools

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  • by aerogems ( 339274 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @07:56PM (#62802119)

    Not to mention, what happens if a kid doesn't have a compatible phone? What if they don't want to download this particular app? What if the teacher confiscated their device earlier in the day? This just smacks of a solution in search of a problem.

    • private for-profit company??? and what is there to sell?? that is not some of hipaa violation?

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      • by dszd0g ( 127522 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @09:46PM (#62802399) Homepage

        A lot of people misunderstand what HIPAA protects against. HIPAA only applies to covered entities [hhs.gov] such as health care providers and health insurance companies.

        If a company, employer, school, etc. asks you health questions and you answer them, then HIPAA does not apply (other laws may apply). Your smart watch or health app on your phone is not covered by HIPAA, even though a medical device provided by a health care provider that gathered the same data would be. Apple, Fitbit, etc. can do whatever they want with the data as long as their privacy policy says they can (otherwise they could get in trouble with the FTC, although that's pretty toothless compared to HIPAA). Most privacy policies include vague language that lets companies do whatever they want (and a lot do). The US is in desperate need of better privacy laws.

    • Why are any schools feeling a need for this?
      TFA says "While the problems they purport to solve are real, " and " e-HallPass can also stop meet-ups of certain students and limit the amount of passes going to certain locations, the website adds, explicitly mentioning “vandalism and TikTok challenges.” "

      The clickbait emphasis on "bathroom break" is what is creepy. 1000 schools is less than 1% of the nation.
      Maybe they have some real problems with students skipping classes that are far worse than t

    • by Chas ( 5144 )

      Drunk-on-their-own-power hall monitors taken to an insane level.

      You haff taken more than ze regulation three point two zeconds to poop.

      You are in violation!

      REEE!!!

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Not to mention, what happens if a kid doesn't have a compatible phone? What if they don't want to download this particular app? What if the teacher confiscated their device earlier in the day? This just smacks of a solution in search of a problem.

      What if they don't have a phone? Or did someone manage to wipe out poverty behind my back?

      There are plenty of places where kids may not have a phone because their families can't afford it, and they have a right to an education and such too. And I'm sure they have a

  • by cygnusvis ( 6168614 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @07:57PM (#62802121)
    If my boss did this I would quit. I bet this will reduce the amount of students with good attendance.
  • by mmdurrant ( 638055 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:03PM (#62802137)
    Going to the restroom isn't something you ask permission for. If they ask where you're going, you say "I'm going to the bathroom but that's not really your business."
    • It's none of their business what you do in the bathroom, but they do have a right to ask where you are going.
    • That's between you and the hall pass issuer. If asked, you should indicate you have a hall pass and that's all. And if it's none of their business, why tell them?

      Also, "Going to the restroom isn't something you ask permission for" means you walk out instead of shitting yourself. You can ask for permission by asking to use the hall pass. Bathroom or toilet is implied, if you have a level of trust.

    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      Why are kids going to the toilet during classes?
      They are a bit young for prostate problems. More likely vaping?

      • We're not all blessed with a magic bladder and bowel that only need to be voided when it's convenient.

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          We're not all blessed with a magic bladder and bowel that only need to be voided when it's convenient.

          Most mammals have sufficient bowel and bladder control void at lunch & recess.
          And do you really believe the school has introduced this policy because of kids leaving class for bowel and bladder purposes? If so, I have a bridge to sell.

          • by haruchai ( 17472 )

            "Most mammals have sufficient bowel and bladder control void at lunch & recess"
            Even if "most" implies 90% that's still about 1.5 million high school students in the USA whose need to use a bathroom falls outside your schedule.
            And tell me, without telling me, you're ignorant of a normal biological function of pubertal female homo sapiens

            • by quenda ( 644621 )

              Even if "most" implies 90% that's still about 1.5 million high school students in the USA whose need to use a bathroom falls outside your schedule.

              OK, but I don't see the argument. The schools are still letting kids do that, while trying to discourage others from leaving class for different reasons.
              Keep in mind it is only a tiny percentage of schools where the problem is so widespread, they are resorting to electronic solutions.
              Would I be wrong in guessing these are schools with poor academic outcomes?

          • Can I borrow your bladder? Mine has a mind of its own and regularly pisses (no pun intended) off.

            Yes I have been to the Urologist...nothing wrong there...yet.

          • by Thud457 ( 234763 )
            Students are mammals, ergo students are ninjas [realultimatepower.net].
            It is in educators' best interest to ensure they don't flip out and kill people.
          • Are you telling me you have NEVER had to poop or pee or vomit at an inconvenient time and could ALWAYS wait an hour or more? If so, good for you. When I was in school it was a rare event, but sometimes that Taco Bell from the night before gave me a 3-5 minute warning that it was coming out.

            The average public school in the US has ~500 students. And even if 99% of kids can wait, that means 5 on any given day can't.

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            • by quenda ( 644621 )

              Are you telling me you have NEVER

              Don't play dumb. If it was *never*, they'd simply ban kids from leaving class instead of issuing passes.

                Perhaps I'm making some wrong assumptions, but it sounds like these schools have a problem with many kids absent from class for less legitimate reasons.
              You can't dismiss all that because sometimes it is genuine.

          • Most mammals have sufficient bowel and bladder control void at lunch & recess.

            I must say, that comes as quite a surprise to me. I thought most mammals didn't even have lunch or recess breaks. I thought that was a strictly human thing.

    • LOL right. I'm sure you went to a school where people got up to leave without saying anything to the teacher.

      It would be insulting for adults, but 3rd graders need guidance on how to act within a group, and 10th graders would abuse the policy to meet up with friends.

    • Your parents told you to act like an entitled cunt who can't hold it in for a short period of time between opportunities to go anyway while someone else is trying to present something to you?

      Shit man talk about setup for failure. I'm sure everyone loves you.

  • if this is your "solution".

    School choice for the non-wealthy has never been so critical.

    • by codebase7 ( 9682010 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @08:23PM (#62802195)
      Because a for-profit school isn't going to be demanding that kids BYOD and install whatever privacy rapist software won the bidding war? Hell, I'd imagine this POS will be one of the first in line to submit a bid.

      No, the real solution is to stop the constant theft of rights that the schools keep attempting to make. There's been way too much overreach lately. To the point the schools are attempting to police the kids outside of school hours. That needs to stop.

      They shouldn't be tracking them like felons either. It's one thing to have a hall monitor. It's something else entirely when you decide to automate the process by attaching a GPS enabled dog collar to children. It's also something worse when you then send that data to a third party. Absolutely none of that was required to "maintain order in the halls." Not now, not ever. I'd be more interested in seeing if the schools in question are getting kickbacks. If so, maybe they can spend that money on a tax break for the parents, who now need to worry about their kid's bathroom history when they get older and try to apply for a job, or college.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Indeed. Kids in the US do not matter and are routinely mistreated as in this example.

  • When, for how long and with whom I urinate is no one's business.

    • You're right. And if frequent urination or bowel troubles are tracked, that might actually be a HIPAA violation.
      • People just don't understand what HIPAA violations are.

        HIPAA doesn't apply to everyone or every entity that has healthcare or health related information. It applies only to specific and defined PROVIDERS of healthcare and their business associates.

        An IT company tracking how long you spend in the bathroom is not subject to HIPAA.

        Even if it were, it's not tracking what you do in the bathroom, only the fact that you went there and how long you spent there. You could be taking a shit, taking a piss, smoking a c

  • Johnny has been taking 10.6% longer than the average student using the facilities. We have reduced his dairy intake accordingly.
  • ...would be my first question, because as a teacher, I'd hate this. I formerly taught MS/HS CS, I only ever asked students to let me know that they needed to use the restroom and to be quick (meaning not rushing your' business', but just going straight there and back, not getting a snack etc)

    It's already hard enough teaching, adding more crap like this is just a solution looking for a problem. I would bet that this was introduced by non-teachers, probably some admins, but I'm really curious about who's payi

    • It's a little over $3/month/student so for a class of 30 students, it would be about $1,000/year. California teachers received a generous (/s) raise of 1,300 last year as inflation. Although of course that's average and given the salary schedules that districts publish show pay increases are typically much lower than 1k/year with many freezing pay for multiyear periods.

      https://www.ousd.org/Page/16118
      • There are over 300,000 teachers in California. So for 1/390,000 the raises given to teachers last year, they could implement that in a school.

        These two expenditures don't collide. They are for very different purposes and might even come from different budgets.

        If you're comparing this cost to teacher raises, you can do so for every expense in the entire system. That means it's not special.

        For the record, I think it's a dumb initiative. Whatever you think you're preventing using this method, you're just displ

  • ... piss jug at your desk.

  • what are they trying to do? find kids that have UTI? or find ones that need quiet time?
    • You completely ignored the third party aspect. Knowing where kids are at all times is increasingly important. That's the goal.

      Having that data in possession of a for profit business is concerning.

      Why are they doing this? If "they" means schools, they are guardians. If ",they" means third party, there is profit to be made as long as a free alternative does not exist.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday August 18, 2022 @09:00PM (#62802277)
    this is what happens when you take the commons and privatize it. Corrupt businessmen wring every penny out of every thought and action.
  • It prepares them for future employment at an Amazon warehouse or delivery driver.
  • For all them hard ons that need to be de energized.
  • Franklin Regional Middle School, though it's been nearly 50 years ago. Their high school next door made national news a few years back when a student went on a rampage and started stabbing people in the hallway. I imagine the local pearl clutchers immediately went into full panic mode and decided that *everything* must be locked down at *all times*, which is why they thought this insane idea was a good thing.
  • I wonder if they have a SOC 2. As it is PHI, they're going to have to provide a report on what data they have for your kid and who has accessed it. I'm sure they have processes in place to provide that on a regular, costly basis.

  • ... isn't culturally ready ...

    The school must tell students to use their BYO tracking device while forbidding students to use other features of their device.

    ... without asking the student!

    That suggests the BYO device is always broadcasting its location: If the student in the hallway doesn't appear on a Marauder's Map, the student doesn't have an e-HallPass. Or the student left his BYO device in the class-room.

    ... e-HallPass specifically on Chromebooks ...

    Students aren't going to take their Chromebooks to the toilet, so the mandate will be to install it on a device the student can use in the toilet!

  • It is amazing to much that new schools are not built with a 1-person bathroom in every classroom. Sure, it adds cost but it solves a lot of problems.

    It wouldn't be unreasonable to retrofit older schools with this feature as well, start with the high schools.

  • There doesnâ(TM)t need to be an app for everything. We are now taking the most simple and basic tasks in life and making them unnecessarily more complicated.
  • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Friday August 19, 2022 @05:56AM (#62803051)
    ...in 10, 9, 8, ...

    BTW, yeah, creepy as fuck. Maybe they could name it after Jimmy Saville or Prince Andrew?
  • by MitchDev ( 2526834 ) on Friday August 19, 2022 @05:59AM (#62803057)

    Get them used to being monitored by "authority" 24/7 young eh? NO

  • It's my dick and my soap and I'll wash as fast as I want to!
  • The prison-industrial complex is looking for new opportunities. Soon you won't need to be a criminal to go to prison, you just need to go to school.

  • implementing this, or just have. I had no idea this was supposed to be one of the selling points. I bet none of the teachers know that either.

  • I have a distant relative with diabetes. One of the early indications was him getting disciplined for going to the bathroom to often. Not exactly sure this software will help ...

  • Doesn't that already exist?
    Or are the corp stealing so much from the schools they cant even afford clocks anymore.
  • The alternative is I piss on your pants.

    Your choice, teacher.

  • No more smokin' in the boys room.

  • This is dumb. Issue ID cards to each student, then have them clock in and clock out for bathroom use. See, the purpose of School is to train kids to become worker/sheeple.

  • It honestly looks like some kind of surreal world where everyone is ruled from above. Now the expression school is a second home more like your home is your prison. For me the meaning of home is freedom from problems, I wrote an essay about it like this https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/what-does-home-mean-for-me/ [gradesfixer.com] and such skipped realities don't fit my concept. Why restrict people from school, I just can't understand what it does besides not wanting to learn. It's weird to me, I thought society w

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