Death Valley Sets Record For Hottest September Day On the Planet 111
Death Valley set a new record for the hottest September day anywhere on the planet when its Furnace Creek thermometer hit 127 degrees on Thursday. CBS News reports: While the heat may send people seeking shade at a, say, a Los Angeles-area golf course, it actually draws the tourists to Death Valley, where scorching temperatures can sometimes surprise them. "The ground heats up, we've measured temperatures of 201 as far as ground temperatures. The ground is then radiating heat back up into the air," Death Valley National Park spokeswoman Abby Wines said.
But the heat wave is just in its third day Friday, and is expected to last through Labor Day, so setting another record is still a possibility. However, it's unlikely the park will break the record for the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth -- 134 degrees recorded in Death Valley on July 10, 1913.
But the heat wave is just in its third day Friday, and is expected to last through Labor Day, so setting another record is still a possibility. However, it's unlikely the park will break the record for the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth -- 134 degrees recorded in Death Valley on July 10, 1913.
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Given this is an international site, can you please at least give the units? I assumed it's not Celsius.
Even better, please give units in both systems.
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The US is a State walled in by "fake news". Anything beyond that wall is invisible (including standard units).
Let's spend less than a minute finding a US based citation that deals with this then:
"In July 1913, observers in Furnace Creek, California—Death Valley—watched the thermometer reach 56.7C (134F) and declared it to be the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth. But just nine years later, on September 13, 1922, a weather station in El Azizia, Libya, recorded a temperature of 58.0C (136.4F). According to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), that remains the highest air temperature ever measured."
Quoting NASA's Earth Observatory.
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The US is a State walled in by "fake news".
Yep. It was actually hotter than this one day in the late cretaceous period so that proves Global Warming is fake.
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Anyone butt hurt about an opinion on temperatures is going to be helpless in the coming chaos.
oh, the irony of you saying this here is thick )
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every other country in the world use celsius apart from two third world countries (you could say only three use the archaic scale if you project that the US will turn into a third country soon ).
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And for the record, I agree that Celsius is fucking stupid for daily temps.
Thirty's warm, twenty's nice, ten is cool, zero is ice.
How hard it that? Doesn't seem stupid to me.
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The best argument is "everyone is doing it" to which their mother would say "if everyone jumped off a bridge would you jump, too?"
One response to that might be, "Yes, if it means getting clear of an oncoming train."
When it comes to the alarmist banshees screaming about a climate crisis the usual argument is on how so many scientist believe that there is a crisis. Science is not done by taking a vote. We had a lot of intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before an invasion was called for, but it was later proven this "intelligence" was faked by military leaders in Iraq that thought by scaring the world shirtless over
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I'd say that F is useless for daily use in the rest of the world. C has zero at freezing water, so you will clearly know when you might experience ice.
C and K has the same scaling too, which makes conversion easy.
Water is a good reference because it's everywhere.
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Growing up in an imperial system we all know exactly where water freezes. There is no daily benefit to zero basing the freezing point. No value in basing 100 for boiling. Choosing water as a baseline for Celsius was totally arbitrary and meaningless for daily use. 32/212 is just as arbitrary as 0/100 but scales better as each degree represents a smaller change.
There is no good reason to use C over F for daily usage.
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I am trying to think when I use fractional degrees and struggling to come up with an example, in daily life. Perhaps, if you are recording body temperature, you might do. Otherwise, no. In terms of ambient temperature, most people do use two significant figures -- "15C" rather than "in the fifties", so I guess that is a bit easier for F. Although, most of them time "hot, cool, cold" most people understand.
Why do you think people need to use fractional degrees in C?
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I doubt that you thermostat is particularly well calibrated, so this it feels like a turning it up to 11 thing. Most of the thermostats that I can see are just with dials -- so you can see it between 18 and 19 if you want. The only time I can think of a thermostat with decimals is on equipment in a lab that I used to work in. You'd still need that in F, of course.
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Usually it's 1/2 degrees, which gives you a better resolution than the F scale.
But many devices actually uses C internally and only changes to F in presentation using a lookup table. So your digital thermostat is probably fooling you.
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Most thermostats do offer 0.5 degree steps, as does the air conditioning in cars and the like.
Most people don't notice differences that small, not least because the temperature in a house or even in a single room is never going to be the same everywhere. There is always a temperature gradient between the floor and ceiling, and usually all over the place depending on proximity to windows, where sunlight lands, proximity to doors, proximity to occupants, proximity to electronics and so on.
Maybe the difference
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Yes, this is specifically why centigrade is not granular enough. You can feel a difference of less than 1 degree C. If the idea is that it's for human use, then it's inadequate. If the idea is that it's for performing scientific calculations, you want K anyway, and C is just K with an offset so it's a proxy value which is supposedly for human convenience anyway.
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I'd say you can feel the difference at certain thresholds and depending on activity you perform.
Most thermostats can be set at 1/2 degree steps or analog position.
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You can feel a difference of less than 1 degree C.
We can't actually feel absolute temperature very well. We can feel a change in temperature reasonably well, but not the absolute temperature.
If the idea is that it's for human use, then it's inadequate.
Ooh, please. At the very least give an example of where it is inadequate for human use.
Also, decimal points.
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if I am feeling warm, cutting to 78 fixes it.
The question is, would you think that cutting it to 77 is not ok.
Anyway, 77 sounds like a sauna to me.
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The average person will never benefit...
A particular issue physics professors have with Fahrenheit is calibrating thermometers. As Fahrenheit defines its unit based on human body temperature, professors have to hunt down some hapless student or lab assistant, stick the thermometer up his bum and hope he isn't running a fever that day.
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Having to use fractional degrees (in decimal form, no less) because your units are insufficiently granular is a defect. It just doesn't make sense.
Oh wow. My mind is blown. Apparently you can't apply fractions to Fahrenheit? Amazing! Or do you not understand how fractions or decimals work?
I honestly thought you have posted the dumbest shit on the internet before but you keep on managing to lower the bar even further. *tips hat to you*. You are the Alpha moron!
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Fahrenheit is a superior scale for daily use
Depends where you live. Here in Ontario, Canada, having "zero" degrees be freezing is superior.
"Is it going to snow tonight?"
"We'll, it's going to be below zero, so odds are good."
Setting freezing at "thirty-two" is weird AF.
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The Fahrenheit scale was developed a while ago. Historically, it was difficult to get pure enough water that it would actually freeze consistently at the same temperature should you try to repeat your experiment. So instead 0 was set to the temperature of a saturated salt water & ice mixture as that was a lot easier to reliably replicate, since it's pretty easy to dump in a bunch of salt until you get it precipitating out the bottom, throw in a bunch of ice, stir it, and hit the same spot on the therm
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system that is less precise and less accurate
Congratulations, you've won the dumb post on the internet award. Now kindly go back to 3rd grade and pay attention when a teacher introduces you to a decimal point.
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Because I use a better system of measurement, Fahrenheit. Have fun with your inferior system.
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How dumb are you, really?..
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Fahrenheit is a superior scale for daily use. Nobody should be using degrees C for anything. It should be F for weather and K for science.
If you can't work out that below 0C is cold, 20C is good for your house, 30C is hot, 40C is hot and 50C is life threatening, 100C is boiling, and below -20C is life threatening in quick order if you are in shirt sleeves, then you shouldn't be handling sharp objects or operating heavy machinery. It's not hard to work out.
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Fahrenheit is a superior scale for daily use.
The only thing that makes Fahrenheit "superior" for daily use is that you don't know Celsius. People who grew up learning Celsius will point out it is the actual superior language for exactly the same reasons you cite as Fahrenheit.
Except the Celsius has three other points of superiority in that it is an SI unit, used in most of the world, and converts easily to Kelvin.
Quick quiz sport, which English-speaking countries use only SI units?
Please help us understand how you're cherry picking your point. Are you saying countries which only recognise English as a primary exclusive
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> The only thing that makes Fahrenheit "superior" for daily use is that you don't know Celsius
Fahrenheit scale:
0 = Very cold.
100 = Very hot.
Celsius scale:
0 = Kinda cold I guess?
100 = Dead
QED.
=Smidge=
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0: ice. 100: steam. I suppose if you never encounter water it might not be a useful scale...
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Setting aside the obviously facetious tone of my post; neither of those conditions are true enough that they're broadly applicable to everyday life. Water freezes at 0C? Maybe in a textbooks sure, but actual water you encounter in everyday life (e.g. tap water) will have sufficient impurities that the actual freezing point will be off a few degrees. Water boils at 100C? Offer not valid in Colorado.
Point is if we're discussing every day life the strict adherence to any one scale is pointless. The whole debat
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it's literally "freezing" at that temperature. how hard is that to grasp? very hard it seems
but than again... miles, inches... why argue over things with a region on earth where people think the imperial measurements are "a good way of doing things"
where people thought that the third-pounder hamburger was a rip-off and would rather have the quarter pounder cause it's "a better deal"
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/under... [www.cbc.ca]
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Yeah, we're definitely using degrees Newton around here. It was only recently however that we switched away from the Réaumur due to its notation of Re and all the annoying jokes it inspired. Never tell a memer about Re degrees they'll go on and on about how Reeeeeeeee global climate change is. It's quite tiring.
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Except that the vast majority of the world has no idea what 127F is. Presumably it's hot, but I have no idea what to do with that number.
Also, if the news story was from India, would you be OK with it giving monetary values in lakhs?
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-32 * 5 / 9
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You should not use yourself as a model here...
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Its incredible that you got modded down while that unintelligible AC troll got modded up. And all these whiners, OMG, I'm in the U.S. and I know what freezing, room temperature, and f'king hot are in Celsius, why can 't they learn a couple things too? Exulting in your "internationalness" goes both ways.
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Just looked up the best, most-recent reference as to why The US isn't metric yet and this was it:
https://petitions.obamawhiteho... [archives.gov]
tldr; No one is stopping anyone from using either Imperial or Metric, officially the choice is a voluntary thing, (although I'm sure Agencies like NASA impose their own requirements, given a classic, historical screw-up [wikipedia.org]).
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For daily use, metric is completely arbitrary just like imperial units
You need 1 calorie to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree C. Totally arbitrary.
but worse than imperial in some situations like temperature because Fahrenheit is more precise and accurate than Celsius.
That's an interesting claim. I'm guessing you have not heard of decimals? Or SI? I've heard the same argument for feet and inches in carpentry, and it's equally questionable. Celsius is as precise and accurate as you like, and is not based off of the temperature of Henry the 8ths bunghole.
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Decimals? Ok which makes more sense to you, "It's 80 degrees out", or "It's 26.6667 degrees out"? Maybe 26.6667 makes sense to you, but I'm going with 80, thanks.
Yes I am aware of the definition of Celsius. What does a calorie and gram and the rest have to do with daily life? In a science lab, yes, but our topic on this thread is daily life. How many people even know what a calorie is? And why should they measure outside temp in something related to calories required to raise water temp? What? Seri
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nobody tell him that you can have decimals in a temperature.
52.7C doesn't exist
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Just looked up the best, most-recent reference as to why The US isn't metric yet and this was it:
https://petitions.obamawhiteho... [archives.gov]
tldr; No one is stopping anyone from using either Imperial or Metric, officially the choice is a voluntary thing, (although I'm sure Agencies like NASA impose their own requirements, given a classic, historical screw-up [wikipedia.org]).
Yes, the short answer is that the U.S. has never had an official system of measurement. What the U.S. uses is called the United States customary system (USCS or USC) which is a "system" made up of what ever units were in common use when the nation was founded. In the 19th Century the Bureau of Standards (now the NIST), which provides for the legal definitions of these units, made the sensible decision to redefine them in terms of the Metric System so that it did not need to maintain its own standards from s
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Your comment is super informative, given the multiple failures to launch this past week, plus taking whatever happens next into consideration.
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A slug is quite heavy, weighing about 32.2lb
That's one hell of a slug. The ones around here only weigh a few grams.
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Given this is an international site, can you please at least give the units? I assumed it's not Celsius.
Even better, please give units in both systems.
Considering this is the 21st Century and we now have a multitude of information at our fingertips, it might behoove people to take advantage of this capability.
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When it comes to the Americans the "F" in the temperature measurement stands for "Freedom" units.
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When it comes to the Americans the "F" in the temperature measurement stands for "Freedom" units. Flag
When it comes to the American system of units, the "F" stands for something a bit more blunt than "Freedom".
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Given this is an international site, can you please at least give the units? I assumed it's not Celsius.
Even better, please give units in both systems.
I absolutely agree. The article should have just said 587 degrees Rankine.
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That's completely meaningless. I mean, how many libraries of parsecs is that?!
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Can you instead put that in swimming pools of congress?
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Does 127/134C make any sense whatsoever??
Obviously not.
But 127/134F are meaningless numbers to me, just like 52.8/56.7C are meaningless numbers to you.
It would have been easy enough to give both numbers in the summary.
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Oh, fer pete's sake. Maybe you should demand that the site also say everything in Mandarin as well.
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The way things are going we might just see everything in Mandarin soon enough.
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This is an American site... but international visitors are still welcome, even if you can't think in more than one scale.
Most people with a science or math or computer background can do multiple scales natively.
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Yep, can I please have that in non-stupid units and with the units actually declared?
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What sort of moron would hear that the air temps are reported as 127 and 134 and think conceivably they might be Celsius?
Answer: apparently someone too lazy to do math or look it up - literally type "127f in c " in Google.
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Just convert it in your head. It's no big deal.
For the normal people: (Score:4, Informative)
127 deg F = 52.7778 deg C
134 deg F = 56.6667 deg C
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Although normal people don't need temperatures given to 1/10,000 of a degree C.
(Particularly when the original numbers are rounded to the nearest degree F.)
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Although normal people don't need temperatures given to 1/10,000 of a degree C. (Particularly when the original numbers are rounded to the nearest degree F.)
The post is genius. Normal people don’t care about significant figures but it legitimately made me angry.
Not an official temperature (Score:4, Informative)
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Also, that 1913 reading was most likely bogus [washingtonpost.com].
We'll never know, since your link is a paywall.
Can we lock all the world's politicians ... (Score:3)
in Death Valley until they come up with real plans to deal with climate change. Then release them on license [prisonersfamilies.org] thus bringing them back if/when they do not implement their promises.
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in Death Valley until they come up with real plans to deal with climate change.
It wouldn't work. If politicians came up with a real plan to stop emitting CO2 into the air (ie, nuclear + no more gasoline vehicles ), they would be voted out of office.
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Also unlikely, just since records were kept.
Another implied threat of global warming, right? (Score:1)
I thought climate was not weather. But in news reporting every extreme weather event is reported internationally because this is implicitly evidence of a "climate crisis".
Some time ago the banshees screaming about global warming got tired of explaining how the reports of extreme cold weather events were not counter evidence of global warming. The typical response was some variation on "weather is not climate". That got turned into the argument against a climate crisis by every report of extreme high temp
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For the non-stupid, a mass of points forms a larger picture. I can see that you never had that experience...
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We need agreement on solutions, not on problems (Score:2)
So, you are saying that the weather is the climate?
Weather is in fact the climate. We define the climate of an area as the averages of the weather over something like 10 or 20 years. We can't measure climate change by singular events, but yet that is precisely what the climate crisis banshees are doing. They scream the loudest when there's some extreme weather event. That's not helping after years of admonishment by these same banshees not so long ago that weather is not climate.
If we are to establish t
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So, you are saying that the weather is the climate?
Weather is in fact the climate.
Make a decision about your stance.
News reporting an instance of extreme climate is just news reporting things. But news reporting extreme climate more and more often can be and indicator of a trend.
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Make a decision about your stance.
I believe I already did, climate is weather averaged over time. I'm using the definition of climate as can be found in any dictionary. We see outlier extremes in weather all the time because of our ability to observe weather with incredible precision and our ability to communicate widely and quickly, and while some weather extremes are newsworthy for one reason or another it is rather tiresome that each and every extreme is implicitly or explicitly evidence of a climate crisis.
News reporting an instance of extreme climate is just news reporting things.
No, it is not. A new record
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Well, those that do not understand statistics will forever misinterpret them and try to explain them away. You certainly qualify.
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