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Boeing To Pay $200 Million To Settle SEC's Probe Over 737 Max (bloomberg.com) 48

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Boeing agreed to pay $200 million to settle US Securities and Exchange Commission allegations that the company and its former Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg failed to properly disclose safety issues with its 737 Max jetliner. The settlement, which was announced by the SEC on Thursday, follows a probe by the regulator's enforcement division. Investigators examined whether Boeing was adequately forthcoming to shareholders about material problems with its jetliner that crashed in 2018 and 2019.

Without admitting or denying the SEC's findings, Boeing and Muilenburg consented to cease-and-desist orders that include penalties of $200 million and $1 million, respectively. The twin tragedies killed 346 people and prompted one of the longest groundings in aviation history. The SEC enforcement action is one of the last remaining government investigations. Boeing had cautioned in its most recently quarterly filing that the "outcome of which may be material." Boeing paid a $243.3 million fine as part of a $2.5 billion settlement with the US Justice Department to end a criminal investigation in January 2021.

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Boeing To Pay $200 Million To Settle SEC's Probe Over 737 Max

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  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:06PM (#62906089)

    It is really repulsive how these mass-murderers simply can pay their way to not go to prison.

    • right! 200 million is chump change for Boeing.

      Those in management responsible for 'gaming the system' to remove the redundancies to avoid extra pilot training should be facing the death penalty.

      • If you bothered to read TFA, it is about 2.8 billion.
        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          The point is none of that was paid by the criminals themselves. And hence the mass-murderers go free and unpunished...

        • Boeing had $62 billion in revenue last year.

          Would the threat of being fined less than 5% of your gross income (the equivalent of a corporation's gross revenue) be enough to deter you from killing hundreds of people? Would you be okay with someone who makes $100k/year paying $5k to make up for killing you and a few hundred other people?

          • by bobby ( 109046 )

            I strongly agree on all sentiments, especially that it is very wrong that most of the corporate culprits go on basically unpunished.

            I think the problem is that Boeing is "too big to fail". [wikipedia.org]

      • right! 200 million is chump change for Boeing.

        Imagine if those had been American lives that were lost...

    • we just like to pretend we don't. The laws don't apply to them.

      I'mma gonna spend a little karma now and politicize things. Trump and his documents is another great example. As Beau Of The Fifth Column over on YouTube pointed out if any of us had those documents in their possession we'd be in a cell right now.

      Then there's Elon Musk, who sign a deal to buy Twitter waiving due diligence and now is claiming due diligence wasn't done.

      You can find a lot of examples of billionaires raping underaged bo
      • Trump: Is in the courts.
        Musk: Is in the courts
        Maxwell trafficked girls to Epstein: dead and Prince Andrew: Bought his way out like Boeing are doing.

        "I can go on and on and on and on. Laws don't apply to our Kings and Queens."

        You could continue to go on and on, but the laws, like them or not, are very much being applied to all the people you name.
        • Trump: will die before any of those cases go through.

          Musk: will either hold out until Twitter's stock price plummets and he buys it for cheap or settle "in the courts".

          Maxwell: isn't the point. The point is to make her tell us who she trafficked the girls to and hold those people accountable. Those people are the ruling class. In some cases literal kings and in others defacto kings.

          The laws are not being applied. A pageant is being put on to placate you.
        • by Anonymous Coward
          Trump has avoided prosecution for decades for crimes others would be locked up for. Musk has gotten away with settlements and half arsed promises for repeated violations that would see others locked up for, Maxwell is nothing more than a scapegoat at this point, no one of importance or influence has been arrested despite so many of the US rich and elite being involved. The laws apply to them, but they certainly do not get enforced against them to the same standard.
        • My personal opinion is that the law--sometimes--catches up to these people, but it is much gentler and slower than it is for Joe Schmoe. Somebody uptopic had it right--if a middle-class guy had been caught with all the crap Trump had in his basement, he'd be looking at cell walls within a day.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        we just like to pretend we don't. The laws don't apply to them.

        Obviously. Of course, any state this corrupt does not have a bright long-term future.

        • In the next 10 years the baby boomers are going to die off. That's just fact. They're the only ones in America outside of the top 1% who really own any property to speak of. Another 9% has enough property that they'll probably side with the 1%, that leaves the bottom 90% basically flat broke with the zero property.

          They're going to demand a new new deal. Basically a reset. If we're still a democracy in 10 years they're going to get it.

          This is of course why the 1% are desperate enough to allow multipl
          • If we're still a democracy in 10 years they're going to get it.

            Gotta be a democracy in the first place [represent.us] to still be a democracy. This country was literally designed to be an oligarchy, they put giving the vote only to landed white males right into the constitution.

            • I think we are still nominally a democracy. We do give a tiny minority especially in rural districts and outsized amount of power because of how we structured our voting to protect wealthy landowners. But despite that it is still extremely possible for the will of the people to be honored. That's why I said I think we can still pull it together and not that everything's A-OK.
          • by gweihir ( 88907 )

            They have a lot of sycophants and fascists who think they'll come out ahead in the new regime. A few of them will for a short period of time before they're purged. For some reason they don't ever seem to remember what happens to mid-level officials in Russia who get close to stairs or drink tea

            This. There is a lot of scum that does not care about the whole but only their personal gain. At the same time they too stupid to see that they do not qualify for inclusion in the New Order. Kind of reminds me of quite a few "neo-Nazis" in Germany that would immediately would have gone to a concentration camp as "antisocial" in the 3rd Reich.

    • The new definition of "carbon credits"
    • It is really repulsive how these mass-murderers simply can pay their way to not go to prison.

      What is even worse - the only behavior they are punishing here is lying to investors. Cutting corners, killing people, then stalling so that more people get killed, then trying to keep the fleet from being grounded at all. No punishment even attempted for any of that.

      • What is even worse - the only behavior they are punishing here is lying to investors. Cutting corners, killing people, then stalling so that more people get killed, then trying to keep the fleet from being grounded at all. No punishment even attempted for any of that.

        That's because none of that is within the scope of the SEC's powers. The SEC can only punish things related to the stock markets, so they've have settled one aspect - that they mislead the stock market by claiming the planes were fine when they plainly weren't. Anything else that may be underway from the FAA, criminal prosecutions, or lawsuits from the airlines or the families of passengers isn't affected by that.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Agreed. And I was not commenting on the SEC. The SEC is doing what its mandate is. The penalty may be a bit low though given what enormous problem Boeing was hiding from the investors.

    • It is really repulsive how these mass-murderers simply can pay their way to not go to prison.

      The SEC doesn't investigate murder. The $200M fine is to settle the probe for misleading investors.

  • by devslash0 ( 4203435 ) on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:12PM (#62906111)

    By enabling the settlement path you encourage corporate CEOs to risk-accept gambling with human lives, and if they can do it - they will.

  • by l810c ( 551591 ) on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:35PM (#62906175)

    The average cost of a 737 is between $90 and $442 Million.
    This cost them One Plane.
    Hardly Harsh

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Indeed! Those who deny we are a plutocracy just received shit in their evidence fan.

    • The average cost of a 737 is between $90 and $442 Million.
      This cost them One Plane.
      Hardly Harsh

      The crashes happened in foreign places so SEC's powers are limited.

    • Crazy how negligent homicide magically disappears when you have enough money.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:08PM (#62906251)

    Less than 1% of VW's fine dieselgate $25B. Congratulations must go to Boeing's teams of lawyers and lobbyists, they represent the best the USA has to offer.

    • Less than 1% of VW's fine dieselgate $25B. Congratulations must go to Boeing's teams of lawyers and lobbyists, they represent the best the USA has to offer.

      There's that, but also nationalism. Nobody in the US gets mad when we sue VAG but there's american Jobs [murdering people for profit] on the line if you want to hold Boeing accountable.

  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:12PM (#62906261) Homepage

    $200 million is about what it costs someone to buy two 737 Max jets.

    https://simpleflying.com/how-m... [simpleflying.com].

    • Didn't Microsoft settle lawsuits against them by agreeing to "pay" schools with their software? Boeing might've pulled that off too, if they tried to donate some planes, and probably at least broke even on the back end.
  • by david.emery ( 127135 ) on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:55PM (#62906353)

    Having watched Dennis Muilenberg when he was Boeing's PM for Army FCS, I'm gratified to see this. $22b was bad enough, but all those lives lost...

    But if I was a Boeing shareholder, I'd want the rest of his retirement clawed back, too.

  • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Friday September 23, 2022 @09:39AM (#62907361)

    According to Wikipedia, 346 people died in the two 737 MAX crashes. That puts the price-per-life at just shy of $580,000.00. It's good to have a definitive figure, I guess.

    If I was the psychopathic CEO of a major corporation, I'd probably consider that a fairly small COB.

    • It's good to have a definitive figure, I guess.

      Literally every company if you dig through and compare risk assessment will result in a cost assigned to loss of life. The cost of life is directly comparable to actual profits made from activities. I'm actually quite surprised its so low in this case, but only by a factor of 3. Based on figures from the oil industry, process industry and mining industry, the figure is normally closer to the 1% of yearly revenue when you compare risk ranking chart which show aversion to commercial losses with those of safet

  • People needed to go to prison both to pay and as a warning to others in the future. This all amounts to a bribe. Businesses will continue to cut corners when they know they shouldn't.

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