Why Hurricane Ian Killed So Many People (cnn.com) 174
It was Florida's deadliest hurricane in 87 years, tied for the fifth-strongest hurricane to make landfall in the continental U.S. and killing more than 100 people after veering south into unexpected areas.
But a Rutgers University health psychologist suggests other factors might've made Hurricane Ian more deadly: Ian also underwent rapid intensification, perhaps influenced by climate change, which meant that its wind speeds increased dramatically as it passed over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico before landfall.
Emergency managers typically need at least 48 hours to successfully evacuate areas of southwest Florida. However, voluntary evacuation orders for Lee County were issued less than 48 hours prior to landfall, and for some areas were made mandatory just 24 hours before the storm came ashore. This was less than the amount of time outlined in Lee County's own emergency management plan.
While the lack of sufficient time to evacuate was cited by some as a reason why they stayed behind, there are other factors that may also have suppressed evacuations in some of the hardest hit areas. In order to correctly follow evacuation orders, people need to first know their evacuation zone. Research from other areas of the country indicates that many people don't. That's why the evacuation zone locator websites in the affected counties were crucial. However, so many people were checking their zones that some of these websites crashed in the days before the storm.
The article asks whether the early voluntary evacuation order "lulled some residents into being less concerned" and ultimately compounded problems. "In areas where evacuation orders were issued later, people who weren't expecting to evacuate needed to find and understand this evacuation zone information quickly...."
"People need to know that they are in an area being asked to evacuate — and waiting until the storm is on its way to find out their zone may be too late. Emergency managers need to educate people in advance of imminent storms while also developing more robust websites to handle the queries in the days before the storm."
But a Rutgers University health psychologist suggests other factors might've made Hurricane Ian more deadly: Ian also underwent rapid intensification, perhaps influenced by climate change, which meant that its wind speeds increased dramatically as it passed over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico before landfall.
Emergency managers typically need at least 48 hours to successfully evacuate areas of southwest Florida. However, voluntary evacuation orders for Lee County were issued less than 48 hours prior to landfall, and for some areas were made mandatory just 24 hours before the storm came ashore. This was less than the amount of time outlined in Lee County's own emergency management plan.
While the lack of sufficient time to evacuate was cited by some as a reason why they stayed behind, there are other factors that may also have suppressed evacuations in some of the hardest hit areas. In order to correctly follow evacuation orders, people need to first know their evacuation zone. Research from other areas of the country indicates that many people don't. That's why the evacuation zone locator websites in the affected counties were crucial. However, so many people were checking their zones that some of these websites crashed in the days before the storm.
The article asks whether the early voluntary evacuation order "lulled some residents into being less concerned" and ultimately compounded problems. "In areas where evacuation orders were issued later, people who weren't expecting to evacuate needed to find and understand this evacuation zone information quickly...."
"People need to know that they are in an area being asked to evacuate — and waiting until the storm is on its way to find out their zone may be too late. Emergency managers need to educate people in advance of imminent storms while also developing more robust websites to handle the queries in the days before the storm."
Trumpers (Score:4, Insightful)
Florida is full of Trumpers, they don't believe anything the government says unless the orange dipshit says it. Biden was involved here, of course Trumpers are not going to listen. This is a Darwin moment more than anything. You can blame communication and the timing of communication but people have to first believe those communications. Besides many of these folks has ridden out storms before and do not believe in climate change. Florida Man does not believe you.
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My brother is a die-hard trump supporter. He booked flights out of Florida but they were cancelled on him. He is safe but spent a week without electricity.
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Its not about Trump. Remember when Trump told them to get vaxxed and they still didn't? This is a bigger problem than Orange Man.
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Good thing you didn't completely politicize it, you know, like those Trumper's do!
Re: Trumpers (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump owns a major American political party and leads a personality cult with millions of deranged followers. By making fun of people who choose to keep a watchful eye on him, you are telling us not to exercise the vigilance that pays for our liberty.
Consequently, go fuck yourself.
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Stay stupid, you'll be way happier that way.
So will Republican politicians ...
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I like that 27 people showed up to Trump's rally.
Re: Trumpers (Score:5, Insightful)
While Trump had a terrible personality, his policies were very good.
How was stripping small children from their refugee parents forever a good thing?
How was negotiating with the Taliban to reduce the number of US troops to below what was necessary for an orderly evacuation of Afghanistan a good thing?
How was removing the US from the Iran Nuclear deal a good thing?
How is undermining NATO a good thing?
How is undermining the US National Security establishment a good thing?
How is corrupting the US Supreme Court a good thing?
How is being the world leader in COVID deaths during the Trump administration a good thing?
How is undermining the US election process a good thing?
How is inciting an insurrection on 1/6 a good thing?
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"Also, what's the deal with this Flavor-Ade, it smells like almon - -
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Hmmm...good policies. You mean those yummy tax cuts that are now contributing to inflation? Denying climate change when it happens in front of his nose? Shaking down the Ukraine government for dirt on his opponent's son? Uttering over 30,000 falsehoods while in office? Helping to destroy environmental laws? Pushing a deal with China that China reneged on? Pushing tariffs for which Americans wind up pay? Populating the Federal Judiciary with reactionaries that think racism never happened? Cuddling up to his
Re: Trumpers (Score:2)
Don't Look Up. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because (Score:2, Insightful)
It killed so many people because Florida has a lot of old people, and it's really hard for old people to get packed and outta there on short notice.
In addition, previous hurricanes have killed way more people, so the "so many" is fake news.
Re:Because (Score:4, Insightful)
If yes, how is it fake news? If no, then it is fake news.
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> Was it or was it not Florida's deadliest hurricane in 87 years?
So 87 years ago the population of Florida was about 1.7M people. Today it's about 20M people, the curve between the bulbs is roughly linear with a spike since 2020.
Do you think it should be called the deadliest hurricane? Is absolute scalar the right measurement?
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That's not as great a point as you might think. Answer this one: what would you consider deadlier; the crash of a small private aircraft that kills everyone on board, or the crash of a large airliner, killing only half of the 300 passengers?
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That's not as great a point as you might think. Answer this one: what would you consider deadlier; the crash of a small private aircraft that kills everyone on board, or the crash of a large airliner, killing only half of the 300 passengers?
Obviously, the dilemma is clear: how do you kill everyone on both planes? :-)
[ Thinking of Michael's solution [youtube.com] to The Trolley Problem on The Good Place [wikipedia.org]... ]
Re: Because (Score:2)
Actually, it's my fault (Score:5, Funny)
Fort Myers is just the latest of a number of places to be wiped out soon after I visit them.
The big one was the Soviet Union, but I have also destroyed New Orleans, Notre Dame, and Christchurch. Let's just say that I have the greatest set of "Before" pictures of all time.
The "Cone" should work fine (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: The "Cone" should work fine (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly what bobbutts said.
I lived over 40 years on an Atlantic coastal Island a few hundred yards from the sound and at 10 feet above sea level.
We were constantly inundated with local news that tells us if a hurricane comes our way to leave or risk death. We fled a couple of the big ones and stayed for some small ones, which was still a bad idea but we did it for the thrill.
The only reason to ride out a hurricane is for fun, and for small ones it kind of is fun.
There's no reason to stay to protect your property because there is nothing, nothing you can do while it's happening. Try this experiment: have a friend drive his pickup at somewhat over 100mph while you stand in the bed holding up a piece of plywood and drive a nail through it. Add a plastic tarp for extra points.
Just keep in mind the "fun" might go on for 8 hours.
Secondly, hurricanes spawn tornadoes in the rain bands well away from the eye, and there is zero warning for those.
One thing that every one I knew was well aware is that NOBODY can predict a hurricane's path even a few hours into the future. Have you ever seen a predicted path go in a circle? Real hurricanes have done that.
I used to say it requires willful ignorance to not know hurricane paths and strength can change rapidly, but the news and government seem to believe people will get angry if you don't speak in absolutes. We saw a lot of that over-certainty in the covid pandemic. It's a problem.
I know my rant went on too long, but I'm in the waiting room at the doctor's office with nothing better to do.
Re: The "Cone" should work fine (Score:3)
Another problem nobody in "the media" have picked up on: for the past ~25 years, evacuating FROM anywhere in Florida (besides Monroe County) TO Dade or Broward has been officially taboo, with officials never shutting up about it until literally ~20-30 hours before Ian's landfall (when authorities finally, FINALLY, said, "ok, go to Dade/Broward if you must").
48 hours before Ian, people in Collier (Naples) and Lee (Fort Myers/Cape Coral/Sanibel/Bonita Springs) knew 3 things:
1. Evacuation to Dade/Broward was O
Re: The "Cone" should work fine (Score:2)
As for why so many people evacuated from Miami Beach TO south Dade for Andrew, blame 1992-Miami's "language lines".
Back in 1992, if you lived in South Beach & spoke English, you just knew that if you evacuated "straight west", you'd have been among the very, very few English-speaking people AT the shelter. The Spanish-English boundary line was blurry, but mostly was somewhere between Kendall Drive (SW 88th st) & Sunset Drive (SW 72nd st). Andrew's eye wall's northern extent was approximately SW 80th
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Interesting history in those two posts, thanks for the info.
It seems that all too often The Authorities have some hidden agenda so that we never know when they're lying or just being dumb.
Re:The "Cone" should work fine (Score:4, Interesting)
There is also the issue of how much risk there is. 120 years ago we learned if you are on a barrier island you will die. So part of the reason people die is over the past decade Lee Country has grown 25% and a hurricane hit this elevated population. Simple math.
It is personal risk assessment for the 21st century. If you live near a forest, it might catch fire, you might escape, but you probably at some point will see all you stuff burn up. If you are on an island, if you do not leave for a few days every time a hurricane is approaching, you will die.
Incompetent Local and State Governments (Score:5, Informative)
Late evacuation orders and a failure to identify where to evacuate are common in local and state governments. They are just not prepared for emergencies.
In 2018, the Woolsey Fire burned through southern California from the Santa Susana Mountains to the Pacific Ocean. The Woolsey Fire scorched over 98,000 acres in Ventura and Los Angeles Counties. Between those two counties, over 295,000 persons were displaced by evacuation orders. At least three people died, and about 1,500 homes and businesses were destroyed, including 17 homes in our small community.
My wife and I had to evacuate, during which several problems arose. The Ventura County Emergency Services sent us to an evacuation center that was closed because it was much too close to the fire. The Ventura County Sheriff deputies who ordered us out of that location did not know where a valid evacuation center was located. The Red Cross was not communicating with the Salvation Army; thus a full evacuation center staffed by the Red Cross did not know another center staffed by the Salvation Army had available space for us.
Details are at http://www.rossde.com/fire.htm... [rossde.com].
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The red cross is a bag of chucklefucks today, which is sad because they always show up. They shut down functioning volunteer relief distribution in Lake County after the big fires there and never started it up again. When the red cross appears, run.
Accurate Forecasts (Score:5, Interesting)
I just wanted to say that I was impressed at how accurate the NWS forecast for Ian was. At 10 PM on Sunday, the NWS predicted that Ian would hit Cuba, weaken, regain strength, and then make landfall on the western side of Florida as a strong Hurricane. Ian made landfall as predicted on Wednesday at 2 PM. I worked for the Joint Typhoon Warning Center in Guam in the 1980's and back then our forecasts were not that accurate. I imagine that more people would have died if the forecast had been less accurate.
https://i1.wp.com/www.caymanco... [wp.com]
Probabilities (Score:2)
Government issues a warning that people should evacuate. You have two ways how to interpret this:
1) Those people do this kind of thing for their daily work, they most likely understand these things better than I do and they know that giving false alerts would be a bad thing, so this must be something serious, so I should get into a safe place.
2) I've lived here for 20 years and never died in a hurricane. I think I know better than those lazy bums how hurricanes work.
You can pick which ever you like. It is i
I chased the story ... (Score:3)
... and it's an opinion piece. I bailed.
No penalty for poor performance? (Score:2)
If people were put in jail for manslaughter then they might be more careful about what they advise.
not trusting government (Score:2)
Re: not trusting government (Score:2)
So DeSantis (not local officials) should have declared an emergency and enforced an evacuation of whom and to where?
Should everyone in FL just drive up onto Georgia and 'hang out'?
Should everyone along the projected path head north OR south to avoid the hurricane?
Please, add a little detail to your instructions, I'm sure FEMA will take note and consider your valuable insights.
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They have been against government for last x years, not a surprise that DeSantis will not risk mandatory evacuation before mid-terms. So "free" people stayed.
So there *are* consequences when a certain political party constantly screams about how bad government is and that you shouldn't trust it.
Why anyone trusts what a politician says anymore is beyond me. If bad weather is coming, I listen to the meteorologists.
I am shocked! (Score:2)
I am shocked that they didn't try to blame Trump!
Seriously, Florida is much more populated than it was for previous 'killer' (named) hurricanes, mightn't that be a factor in the increased # of deaths?
From my sofa, the issues are, in no particular order:
- increased population
- the extended period of time since last one (people forget and try and ride it out)
- the nature of the hurricane (it moved slowly over land, dumping record rainfall)
- the increased number of 'blue staters' that flocked to Florida to esc
"perhaps influenced by climate change, " (Score:2)
Reading the summary and top two comments (Score:2)
I find three ties to politics. Does anyone remember when not every news item had to do with politics?
Why was the storm deadly? Probably because people are or feel very poor right now and evacuating is expensive. Getting out of south Florida is not easy. Most of the people who died were poor.
Re: Simple reason (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: Simple reason (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh don't worry, the sane ones will have to bail the imbeciles out again.
Re: Simple reason (Score:2)
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Florida has the most EV's in the nation (second only to California).
That's a self-contradictory sentence. It hurts my head.
You mean "Florida has among the most"?
At which point, I'd point out that "second only to CA" is pretty misleading, since FL has 1/7th as many as CA.
On a per-capita basis, FL isn't even among the top 10.
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What is misleading about being #2 state in terms of total EVs? And if you want to be precise,check your facts because it's not 1/7. And on a per capita. There's no other state with more EV registrations than Florida other than California period
Yes, it is 1/7 (roughly).
It's misleading because FL has 21.22 million people, and 58k EVs.
Put that into perspective to WA, which has 7.5 million people, and 50k EVs.
Means EVs are a relative rarity in FL compared to the next 12 states up on the per-capita EV ratio list.
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It must be nice to be able to afford your own decommissioned nuclear missile silo but, almost anywhere you can live is going to be affected by your choice of flooding, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, blizzards, mudslides, earthquakes, tsunamis, or the House Special Mother Nature's Disaster of the Week combo.
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There you have it folks, the climate change denialists credo: we've always had these disasters and there's nothing to be done about it...after all, it would impact the denialists' lifestyle and their vapid political leanings.
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There you have it folks, the climate change denialists credo: we've always had these disasters and there's nothing to be done about it...after all, it would impact the denialists' lifestyle and their vapid political leanings.
This should actually be modded up. Because while unpleasant, it is an unpleasant fact.
It eventually becomes an act of faith and principle to put oneself in harms way to pwn the people who accept facts as facts, and to show fealty to the people who tell them that it's all a scam by (fill in the group they are told to hate)
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People have zero capacity to plan for or evaluate risk of low-probability, high-impact events. You have over-planning, over-insuring on one end and ignorance on the other end.
Mathematically expressing risk in human terms is really hard, unfortunately.
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This is very true. We are very bad at this.
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People have zero capacity to plan for or evaluate risk of low-probability, high-impact events. You have over-planning, over-insuring on one end and ignorance on the other end.
Mathematically expressing risk in human terms is really hard, unfortunately.
What exactly is hard about it? In my area, we have power outages due to snowstorms, and floods, often due to hurricanes.
I have an emergency generator, then solar, a fireplace and stock of wood. and I live on a hill. And I don't live in a place that has hurricane events every year. And I'm not a prepper by a long shot, just do a risk assessment.
That is not even remotely hard. Maybe for the half of everyone who cannot do a simple risk/reward assessment it is though?
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No its -people- that don't give a fuck. They continue to move to hurricane prone areas. Put the blame on the dumb human race. People will continue to move there and will hang around when hurricanes pass through. Either build hurricane proof domes or don't build there
Let us not forget, many seniors didn't evacuate [yahoo.com] even with the late notice. One such couple admit they made a big mistake [cnn.com] not doing so.
Other reasons are the changing storm track, though considering the size of the storm (500 miles wide) all of Florida was going to be hit [usf.edu] so it didn't make sense to wait until the last minute to see where it was going to call for evacuations.
Homes and communities can be built [npr.org] to withstand all but the most devastating hurricanes, but that's only for new communities. What are
Re: Simple reason (Score:5, Interesting)
The state of Florida, i.e., its pols, have been encouraging Florida development anywhere in Florida regardless of the risks. They bear some responsibility. As do the banks and mortgage companies handling loans to build there. Then there are the climate change denialists who claim there is no climate change, and if there is, there's nothing we can do about it. And last, but not least, the American Evangelical Taliban who claim climate is in the hands of God. Nice one God, could you paste Mar-a-Loco for us too?
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Don't forget the people who claim their God-given right to build without government-enforced building codes...
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No. But I did spot the person who can't recognize a sarcastic troll.
Re: Simple reason (Score:2)
Re: Simple reason (Score:2)
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The media always shows you the area damaged, not the rest of it, which is fine. I've been through 5 hurricanes. If you're in areas build for it, they're not a big deal at all. Southwest Florida is not built for it, but it should be. Regarding earthquakes, go look at the earthquake in the late 80s in San Francisco. No warning and tons of people died. An entire interstate collapsed. You aren't safe; deaths from them don't just happen overseas.
Loma Prieta earthquake 1989 - 63 deaths.
Florida Ian Hurricane 2022 - 100 deaths.
If that is tons of death, what is almost twice that?
And people in Florida got plenty of warning - I'm impressed that the Florida man mentality is trying to blame this on anything other than the mentality of Floridians.
Re:Simple reason (Score:5, Insightful)
He sure is being nice to Biden in order to get that sweet federal money. Isn’t he the same guy who told the east coast they didn’t need relief funds from hurricane Sandy? Of course he did that. https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]
Trump should have used his sharpie powers to redirect the hurricane’s path.
Re: Simple reason (Score:5, Informative)
Florida is a taker state. They cost US taxpayers more than they bring in.
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With nation wide federal programs how do you not have "taker" states. I guess we will have to do away with the "United" part of the United States of America.
That isn't the point though. The point is that the states and their people that hate the federal government and the libs and the handouts and the social programs are the ones who will be worst affected if they get their way.
It's an extension of the https://www.huffpost.com/entry... [huffpost.com] Keep your Goddamn Government hands off my Social Security solipsism effect. It is only socialism when other people reap the benefits.
And it is missing the point again when it is claimed that those horrible libs want to rem
Re: Simple reason (Score:5, Informative)
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You were full of shit then and you are still full of shit. According to this:
https://www.moneygeek.com/livi... [moneygeek.com]
Florida gets $1.15 back for every $1 they send in to the federal government. And the red states are a drain on the rest of us.
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Re: Simple reason (Score:2, Flamebait)
Retirement is part of those numbers.
Social security disability is.
Learn the difference.
How about this fact. Rate per 1000 girls in blue states for teenage pregnancy 9 girls.
Red states 34 girls. 4 times higher in all red states except Utah.
Because that is what not teaching kids about sex not providing condoms, and not encouraging birth control does. All things planned parenthood does best. Before you get pregnant.
Blue states also had a much lower rate of abortion as pregnancies tend to be more planned.
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Yes, FICA is part of those numbers and so are all the payments FICA facilitates, whether retirement, disability, Medicare, etc... So what? The largest amounts are related to retirement benefits.
Not sure what teenage pregnancy has to do with this discussion, but it turns out that you're confusing sex education with urban minority populations in southern states whose families were destroyed over the last 70 years by the federal governments "War on Poverty", prior to which teen and unwed pregnancy rates were n
Re: Simple reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Bullshit. Just because people retire to Florida for the lower cost of living and the weather doesn't mean that their pensions magically turn them into a "taker". They paid taxes and worked their entire lives. Your assertion is based on total misinformation. Stop spreading it.
How is it misinformation? What do retirees have to do with anything? Yeah they worked and paid taxes, in another state. The simple fact of the matter is that the Federal government provides the state of Florida with more money than they take in via income and other taxes from the state of Florida.
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You mean the old people that require much more expensive medical care than the rest of us?
And people get much more out of trust funds than they ever pay in. The government doesn't stuff the money in a mattress ready for you when you start drawing.
Those are pay as you go systems. Whatever they paid in are merely figures on a ledger to determine what they can draw out, but they are not drawing out their own money. If they were, the benefits would get cut as soon as they maxed them out.
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So you define a "taker" as someone who paid taxes and FICA their entire working lives, and now draws down now less of a return than they'd have gotten by just sticking that money into a time deposit, an index fund, or even federal bonds. (Because the return on social security and such is so crappy when Congress spends the money on other things over time.)
Sorry, those are called involuntary contributors, not takers. It's not my fault you apparently have no concept of time, nor understanding that people can p
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You mean the old people that require much more expensive medical care than the rest of us?
And people get much more out of trust funds than they ever pay in. The government doesn't stuff the money in a mattress ready for you when you start drawing.
Those are pay as you go systems. Whatever they paid in are merely figures on a ledger to determine what they can draw out, but they are not drawing out their own money. If they were, the benefits would get cut as soon as they maxed them out.
The way I figure is that Florida should secede, kick out anyone not a registered Republican, and show they don't need any of the socialist's tainted money.
Then as Florida shows the success of the Socialists 100 percent pay as you go system, they'll really own the Libs - And God will reward them.
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If it were as you say, then your withdrawals would be cut as soon as you maxed them out. SS and Medicare do not work like that, they are pay as you go systems. The people paying now are paying for the people withdrawing now. And once you get on SS and Medicare, you continue to withdraw until you go to the Great Food Bowl in the Sky.
There, doesn't that make you feel better than the Fed. Gov. isn't going to cut you off at the neck once you max out your contributions, which happens quite quickly for most peopl
Re:Simple reason: (Score:5, Insightful)
Denial.
Denial of the risk.
Denial of the increasing risk.
Denial of the cause of the increasing risk.
Not denying would require thinking about mitigating the cause of the risk... and that is what the other team wants. Cooperating with the other team makes you a traitor. Better that the plebeians die -the leaders will be fine.
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Not only DeSantis, but Rick Scott before him. It turns out the State axed a regulatory group 10 years prior that put limits on development. Scott claimed it killed jobs. The banks and other groups interested in "investments" had a field day. A long sordid tale is told on NPR's site:
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08... [npr.org]
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The UN website doesn't have a comments section.
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But you ain't there to make fun of, where's the entertainment in that?
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Stop calling me a socialist; that's just plain slander/libel at this point, not to mention rude. I feel like this ought to be handled in the courts. Give me the PO Box to your trailer, so I can let my attorney know where to send the summons.
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Lol, their trailer floated away in the storm surge. The ever helpful Matt Gaetz voted against relief funds https://www.pnj.com/story/news... [pnj.com] which I'm sure is the fault of democrats somehow.
Re: Simple reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Man, looking at all these basic funding bills with 0 republican votes, I cringe to see what a shitfest of constant shutdowns there will be if the house flips in November.
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Man, looking at all these basic funding bills with 0 republican votes, I cringe to see what a shitfest of constant shutdowns there will be if the house flips in November.
I imagine some of those cases are simply to spite Democrats, but I wouldn't bet against Republican indifference.
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You never really fucking can tell these days.
Re: Simple reason (Score:4, Insightful)
The ever helpful Matt Gaetz voted against relief funds Congressman Matt Gaetz votes against bill that included disaster relief funds for Florida [pnj.com] ...
To be fair to Matt, most of the people affected by the storm weren't teenage women, so his interest was lacking.
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To be fair to Matt, most of the people affected by the storm weren't teenage women, so his interest was lacking.
Be nice ot Matt - he had to wait until his mid-40's to get a high school sweetheart!
Re: Simple reason (Score:2)
And what are you?
Re:Very sciency (Score:5, Informative)
Well, no. The "perhaps influenced by climate change" was a link to a different story [theconversation.com] using a climatologist [google.com] as a source. The health psychologist was talking about people's reactions to public instructions, which is one of the things health psychologists study.
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Re: Very sciency (Score:4, Interesting)
The mandatory order came 24 hours before the storm hit in the area and CNN and company didnâ(TM)t even cover it because they were still believing it would hit Tampa rather than Lee county.
The media literally didnâ(TM)t cover DeSantisâ(TM) announcements because they didnâ(TM)t believe him. Sure itâ(TM)s not their responsibility, but it also isnâ(TM)t the governments responsibility to make sure you remain safe if you know a hurricane is going to hit that close to you, especially since most people in that area had the means to get out days or weeks before.
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Lol, literally the boy who cried wolf.
Re: Very sciency (Score:4, Insightful)
The mandatory order came 24 hours before the storm hit in the area and CNN and company didnâ(TM)t even cover it because they were still believing it would hit Tampa rather than Lee county.
Right - All Republicans watch CNN religiously. They believe every word.
Florida is a solid Republican state, ruled by possibly the Next Republican president, who will continue the Trump Doctrine.. And you seem to think they all watch CNN?
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Nah, it ain't climate change. You keep driving that SUVs, no problem there.
Anyone pass the popcorn for the next hurricane? I think the future will be even more entertaining.
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I wonder if the reporter would have asked, "hey, you're way out of your lane here, why should we listen to or care about your analysis?", had it not suited a political agenda.
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To be fair to the slackjaw, its probably a bad thing for CNN to present editorial content as "news".
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Look, just skip to the chase, ignore the orange clown, and nominate Putin next time around. You know you want to.
Re:Predicted track changed (Score:5, Insightful)
Democrats and their friends in the media who are desperate for any excuse to attack DeSantis.
Spending $12 million in tax payer funds to fly immigrants around the country will have that effect.
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Global warming denier propaganda is getting old (Score:2)
There's plenty of science being done showing that it *is* happening.
You covering your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't mean it isn't happening. Of course, what do you care? You'll be dead before things really start going bad.
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There is no conclusive proof that humans are having an effect on the climate. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant or lying.