Washington State Power-Station Attacks Are Latest Assault on Grid (bloomberg.com) 116
Four power substations in Washington State were attacked on Christmas Day, disrupting service to thousands of residents, just weeks after gunfire at electricity facilities in North Carolina prompted an investigation by the FBI. From a report: Law enforcement agencies are now investigating at least eight attacks on power stations in four states in the past month that have underscored the vulnerability of the nation's power grid. It remains unknown if they were connected. In the most recent incidents outside of Tacoma, Washington, thousands were left without power after vandals forced their way into four substations and damaged equipment, in one case leading to a fire, according to the Pierce County Sheriff's Department. In all, 14,000 people were left without power from that attacks on substations owned by Tacoma Public Utilities and Puget Sound Energy, according to the sheriff's office, which said most power has since been restored.
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You are being down voted, but I have karma to spend.
Like you, I tend to believe the perpetrators are mega-extreme right wing nuts living off the grid making love to their guns in the woods.
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I'm sure the people that wrecked the US Capitol were not left wing. These people had Trump flags and maga hats are were scream Jesus from the top of their lungs. You should watch the videos. It's wild.
According to all the lame-stream media video that has been aired...the right stormers of the Capitol did not burn down anything.
Yes, the stormers broke windows and assaulted the cops, but they did not spray-paint messages inside the Capitol or ransack Pelosi's office or topple statues inside the building.
And people are still willing to do business in Downtown Washington DC to this day...unlike many parts of Minneapolis.
Or is lame-stream media and their videos lying in their coverage of the Jan.6 attack on t
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No, that's Alinsky tactics,.
Another left wing piece of brain damage.
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Yeah. Go ahead and use a bunch of sock puppets to attack me simply because you don't agree..
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Because. Trump.
He be goin doooown!
Requoted against the invisible censor trolls? But the visible mods are positive?
Though it was a pretty weak attempted joke. No Funny in the discussion, nor was it a story with much potential for humor.
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Power grid sabotage are way worse. Duh. I don't have kids.
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Considering they haven't caught a SINGLE person in their investigations, it forces you to draw conclusions about what's happening other than these are random copycat lunatics.
It's usually small, rural areas (Score:2, Interesting)
The FBI is involved and they could give a fuck about corrupt small town sheriffs, and those power companies are pissed. Expect these people to be found and get the book thrown at them.
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Russians. The airbase near Moscow was attacked again last night, the same night as this power attack.
Just like the 2 Russian airbases were attacked immediately before the last substation attack. (And the attack on the Keystone pipeline that same week, which is barely being reported.)
It's really starting to look like every time there is an attack on Russian soil, there's a retaliatory strike on US energy infrastructure within the next day or so.
People keep telling me "they wouldn't dare." But they didn't ha
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I'm not sure I buy the theory, but...
> Why rural areas only?
To avoid risking retaliation?
A strike against something important almost demands public acknowledgement and retaliation - which risks escalation that nobody wants. Especially not Russia - they've already got their hands full already with Ukrainian resistance supplemented with our decades-old military hardware. The last thing they want is for us to get *invested* in their fight.
Strike against Nowhere, Unimportant would send a message, but is eas
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Russia also has to pay to rebuild Ukraine, if they ever can capture it. Yet they don't have any problem pummeling it to dust.
Their goals aren't what you think they are. Anyway, this is war. Reason tends to fall by the wayside.
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Tacoma is a "small community"? 14K people were without power (out of ~200K). Or are you talking about the N Carolina incidents?
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Well, this is pretty much the normal modus on terrorism by right-wing extremists. Too much of the "law enforcement" community suddenly discovers they do not actually care about the law and start aiding and abetting terrorists. These things only get investigated properly when they get too large or when powerful outside interests force an investigation. Let us hope the power companies are pissed enough to not put up with this crap by "law enforcement" and kicks them hard. Because this type of terrorism usuall
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Uh huh.
The Fed is basically corrupt and inept.
If there's enough power and money in it for them, they won't find shit.
Because the attacks are from the right wing (Score:1, Troll)
Fox News viewers are aging out so there's a bunch of new pretenders to the throne, as it where, but to distinguish themselves they've gotten crazier and crazier. If you want to stand out you need to ratchet it up past 11. Otherwise you don't get noticed in the sea of grifters that is the right wing blogosphere.
Cities have a lot more mitigating influences. Th
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The longer this goes on without an apprehension the more likely the perpetrators are not among the FBI's priority targets. The FBI is great at infiltrating political targets or rounding up known wolfs after something erupts into the news cycle. They're not very effective when starting from square one. Among the things that aren't on the FBIs radar are eco-terrorists (ah la “The Family” ALF/ELF) conducting "direct action" and Antifa (which literally doesn't exist as per establishment group-thi
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Or go full conspiracy theorist and say the FBI are the ones doing it so they can argue for a bigger budget
Unlike you, the people at the FBI are not terminally stupid and know what would happen if they got caught doing something like this. And they also know that there always is a real risk of getting caught.
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Hahahah, no. The created "terrorism" by the FBI never did any real damage and the FBI was _very_ careful to ensure that. Hence this is a completely different thing. I am just immensely amused by your complete lack of any understanding or actual research. And I reserve the right to call a moron (like you) a moron. Of course this is even better if the person in question mistakenly believes they are smart (also like you).
LOL @ silly Trumper. (Score:1)
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"if they got caught"...
Re: It's usually small, rural areas (Score:2)
Tacoma? (Score:2)
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And you obiously don't know much about power infrastructure: there is very little copper used these days. There isn't enough to make it worth it. Aluminum? It's going to be way too much effort to get it, and someone WILL catch you before you have grabbed enough to cash out.
Re:Tacoma? (Score:5, Informative)
They did indicate it was a burglary, so apparently *something* was stolen. For all we know, it was just spare equipment or tools lying around. Subsequent attacks seemed to be nothing but vandalism, though. Maybe they just didn't find anything worth stealing there.
Given that there was no obvious political or social target, except that it was Christmas, it's hard to find a good motivation here, except wanting to cause trouble for others. My guess would be simple theft with the vandalism as a copycat, with the thought it may blur the intent a bit. But who knows. Feel back for people with knocked out power on Christmas. At least it wasn't quite as cold on Christmas as it was a few days earlier - or at least that was true in the Seattle area.
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No. People don't go trying to steal coper from transformers or substations in general. There are far FAR easier ways to steal it from utility companies.
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It's a real problem here. People have been killed stealing the HV wires, people have been killed breaking into substations and trying to steal wiring. Perhaps where you are it's not prevalent, but here thieves are more determined.
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No it's exactly as I said (and you just said) "wiring". That is not what is being affected in these cases.
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Infrastructure attacks are terrorism (Score:2)
Find then destroy the perps by any effective means.
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As I said above to another moron, the FBI is not terminally stupid, unlike you. They know they cannot pull something like that and then reliably keep it secret. And they know they would have a massive, massive problem if caught. So no, the FBI is not doing it. But it may be people like you.
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Did you hear that from Alex Jones or Kanye?
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Gun nutz getting off on destruction & terroris (Score:2, Insightful)
#SEKKUNDAMENDMINT, amirite?
I hope they find them fast (Score:2)
I hope they find these dumb asses fast, all this will do is force electric companies to secure all these sites and force them to raise their rates to pay for the extra security. Electricity is expensive enough already as it is. And if someone is harmed by these outages, I hope additional charges are levied on these people.
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Better, non-paywalled story (Score:5, Informative)
Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/vandals-hit-fourth-pierce-county-substation-in-christmas-day-attacks/ [seattletimes.com]
And no, responding to a post higher up - Graham/Kapowsin (location of this latest attack) hasn't been even remotely rural for 20+ years. It's the very definition of "suburban sprawl". It's also a rather conservative area, lots of Boeing engineer types.
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I'm not trying to say rural people are inherently bad but what I am saying
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I live less than 20 miles from there, and know the area very well.
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I'm not trying to say rural people are inherently bad but
You think that as you eat something grown in a rural area, use resources extracted from a rural area and look down on the people who live in rural areas. Hard to believe they don't vote the way you think they should.
Russian Sympathizers (Score:2)
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Texas has it worse (Score:1)
Texas doesn't need someone, or a group of people, to go round and shoot up electrical substations. They just need to keep doing what they're doing and never learn anything. The entire state faced electricity shortages [newsweek.com] over the weekend. Because, you know, they learned their lesson from 2021 and upgraded and hardened their production capabilities.
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Beware of AssUming who dunnit. (Score:5, Interesting)
For example the FBI chose not to let the public know it knew North Vietnamese and Cuban trainers heavily supported the Weather Underground operations in CONUS. This thesis is an interesting read especially in light of recent events in Ukraine.
While the Weather Underground portion is most relevant the Lawrence of Arabia and WWII Greek partisan warfare examples will interest history nerds:
BREAKING OTHER PEOPLEâ(TM)S TOYS: SABOTAGE IN A MULTIPOLAR WORLD
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs... [dtic.mil]
"Abstract: This thesis explores the value of sabotage as a strategic tool in a multipolar world. More specifically, it examines if sabotage can play a role in imposing costs on competitors, limiting escalation, and shortening the duration of conflict. The return of multipolarity to the international system and the proliferation of advanced military capabilities has raised specters of doubt regarding conventional U.S. military methods of deterrence and coercion as well as the United States technological overmatch. This thesis argues that U.S. competitors military technologies and capabilities possess a grave vulnerability in that they rely heavily on specific critical infrastructure that is difficult to protect and repair. If these critical pieces of infrastructure are affected, competitors are incapable of effectively fielding or employing their forces. Historical case study analysis is used to identify past sabotage campaigns impact on strategic operations, validate sabotages potential in the modern world, and identify best practices for employing saboteurs. Finally, this analysis suggests the revival of sabotage as an option for engaging with bellicose states."
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We also know which groups have been talking left and right (well, realistically right) about hitting power stations and how to do the most damage to a power station.
Again I'm reminded of that sketch with the guy in the hot dog suit and a hot dog car that crashed into a building. It's pretty obvious it was the guy in the hot dog suit.
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I nowhere inferred such. Go back to 4chan, you'll fit in better.
Jihadist terrorism has a very different style claims credit for those strategic reasons. Why is someone with your low comprehension even on Slashdot?
Re: Beware of AssUming who dunnit. (Score:1, Flamebait)
I'm sure the FBI is on it (Score:1, Troll)
Or are they too busy monitoring social media sites for terms of service violations?
"as of 2020, there were so many former FBI employees — "Bu alumni" — working at Twitter that they had created their own private Slack channel and a crib sheet to onboard new FBI arrivals."
https://twitter.com/Shellenber... [twitter.com]
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The FBI monitor social media because people live stream their own crimes now.
Looks like the US has a domestic terrorism problem (Score:2, Insightful)
Probably perpetrated by nil-wits that believe a certain lie about a certain election being stolen. These people need to be found and then put behind bars for a few decades, like any other terrorists.
Law enforcement labeled it a "burglary" (Score:2)
Re: Law enforcement labeled it a "burglary" (Score:1)
The fun part is when they don't know what they're doing and cut into a live high voltage line. Happened (still happens?) in places like North Philly when money gets tight all around.
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Headline writers aren't always the story writers - typically it's the bosses rewriting the headlines, when it's done. And the headline writers likely see attracting the maximum number of eyeballs possible as part of their job.
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Burglary vs attack.
You'd have to look at the details of the current Washington legal code. But property crimes (such as burglary) are very low on law enforcement's priority list. Basically just wave at them and let them go.
And if they use firearms (even if they are prohibited felons), return those to them on their way out. Because that will push the firearm crime statistics the way politicians want to see them go.
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As if US power stations need attackers to break down.
"War on terror"... (Score:2)
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Um, this may be nothing? remember church fires? (Score:3)
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