India Approves $2.3 Billion Plan To Become Global Hub for Green Hydrogen

The Indian government has approved $2.3 billion to support production, use and exports of green hydrogen, aiming to make India a global hub for the nascent industry. From a report: The funding, announced late Wednesday, is a first step toward establishing the capacity to make at least 5 million metric tons of green hydrogen by the end of this decade. Green hydrogen is hydrogen that is produced through the electrolysis of water, powered by electricity generated from renewable sources of energy. Most of the world's hydrogen is produced using fossil fuels, especially natural gas.

The aim of the funding initiative is "to make green hydrogen affordable and bring down its cost over the next five years. It will also help India reduce its emissions and become a major exporter in the field," said Anurag Thakur, India's minister for information and broadcasting. He said the financing would also help add about 125 gigawatts of renewable energy capacity by 2030. As of October, India had about 166 gigawatts of renewable energy capacity. Other aims are to create more than a half million new jobs, attract more private investment into the sector, reduce fossil fuel imports and cut greenhouse gas emissions by 50 million metric tons.

Re: Or the brown hydrogen from San Jose

[Type44Q]

Diva cup. At least get it right.

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[cayenne8]

I was going to guess that most of the "green" hydrogen in India would be generated as a result of the foods they consume over there.

I was mostly curious about how they were going to be capturing this...???

:O

Hydrogen Will be a Standard Form of Currency

[BrendaEM]

Unlike blockchain, it does something useful.

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[timeOday]

Why do you say "currency" instead of simply a valuable global commodity, like the last 100 years of oil?

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[ranton]

Why do you say "currency" instead of simply a valuable global commodity, like the last 100 years of oil?

Because he wanted to find a way to post something negative about crypto without being modded Offtopic.

Green hydrogen is a myth

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

99% of the commercial hydrogen production comes from fossil fuels.

Though technically feasible, making hydrogen using renewable energy is not economical. Once make electricity using renewable sources, the two paths are: battery to store it as electricity or make hydrogen and use fuel cells to make electricity. The battery prices have fallen so much hydrogen storage is not economical or competitive anymore.

For electricity storage for 24 hours, batteries are the best option. For weeks/months to even out renewable generation over the whole year pumped hydro and compressed air energy storage (in caves) are economical but they depend on natural topography, not conveniently located. Hydrogen might step in here, but given the difficulty of storing hydrogen in gas form, it needs to be through some hydrides and it becomes inefficient

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[canux]

As you've alluded to, the energy density of batteries (and supercaps) is not portable for some applications. Think of a data center -- you can replace diesel generators, UPSs and STSs with giant battery packs, but unlike diesel you can't transport around giant battery packs to keep the lights on in an extended outage. If you go with something like a hydrogen fuel cell you can (just like diesel fuel) transport hydrogen to the facility indefinitely (which is why so many of them still use diesel and deal wit

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[fermion]

Using methane is not necessarily not green. We free up a lot of methane ,and much of it is just released. For each mole we would get 4 moles of hydrogen. And one mole of carbon, which would need to stored as a solid. Can use solar or wind power.

It seems that at 1000 C you can get solid carbon with hydrogen.

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[eepok]

Green Hydrogen is a myth.

False. It's real, proven, scalable, but hasn't scaled because BEVs have become the dominant band-aid in the market to mitigate the GHG emissions for commuter vehicles. Here's an example (https://www.calstatela.edu/ecst/h2station).

Electrolyzer + clean water + solar power = Green Hydrogen.

99% of the commercial hydrogen production comes from fossil fuels.

For now.

In 2001, California burned stuff to generate 62% of its in-state energy. At the time anyone would have scoffed at the idea of "going green" with an EV because you're generating the majority of your electricity from G

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[theshowmecanuck]

EV's have become the dominant band-aid in the markets of the developed world. The developing countries cannot afford them as people can in North America and Europe. In fact most people can't afford them in North America and Europe. And never mind the cost to develop the electrical infrastructure across the whole country. Most people, even educated in North America and Europe, have a false impression of the size of India because of the Mercator projection. Even if it smaller than the USA, it is still 3.2 mil

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[theshowmecanuck]

Your one dimensional mind can't grasp that storage efficiency is not the only criteria for choosing an energy storage source. So fuck off you stupid Tesla ball licking cunt. Distribution of the energy is equally as important. You are so fucking dogmatic you have made it impossible to get into your pin size brain that countries like India cannot create the electrical infrastructure needed to support batteries. In the developing world, electrical grids are basic at best. Green hydrogen is on the doorstep wh

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[ap7]

"countries like India cannot create the electrical infrastructure needed to support batteries"

Eh? Where did you get that from about India?

https://powermin.gov.in/en/con... [powermin.gov.in]

Is hydrogen really the future?

[jellomizer]

Having a battery electric car, I don't really want to go back to the hassle of having to go to a refueling station every week, it really is much more convenient to plug my car into a slow charger overnight while I am sleeping and the next day I am at full charge, with a range that would normally be a week worth of driving.

Hydrogen has its place however I don't see it being as big as gasoline in the future, as once people get use to battery electric automobiles, I doubt many will want to go to Hydrogen as it will feel like a step back.

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[jacks smirking reven]

For general personal use passenger vehichles I am fairly sure hydrogen has missed the window of oppurtunity entirely. EV's are coming on fast and have almost every advantage in their favor for most people's general transportation needs.

I think where hydrogen and probably even biofuels have a place is in industry and commercial applications, basically something that can supplant all those heavy diesel engines out there. Heavy equipment like gear from CAT, Hitachi, John Deere and the like, I think liquid fu

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[timeOday]

I think the biggest use of hydrogen is for storage and transport - say, from Australia to Europe, and from Summer to Winter.

That is unless somebody cracks the code and devises an affordable renewable synthetic liquid fuel. In that case hydrogen might not have a long-term role, unless as an ingredient of the liquid fuel (formic acid?)

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[jacks smirking reven]

Yeah that is a good point as well, using hydrogen as a "transfer" mechanism, especially in areas with lots of excess wind and solar energy.

That will come down to efficency of conversion of course which today is very low since it's pretty much brute force electrolysis and hydrogen has it's own trickiness in transporting it, it seems much more complex than LNG or methane/fossil and the infrastructure has to built for it to load/unload and move it around the world.

Re: Is hydrogen really the future?

[spinitch]

Hydrogen an alternative to help diversify and could fill a niche for specific use cases. No silver bullet for energy. Because we can not all get along and disasters nature or human likely to continue. Hydrogen has more near term potential than fusion.

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[sectoidman]

Using renewable or nuclear power, one could easily build Sabatier reactors to make methane from atmospheric carbon dioxide and water, and then just pump it into old natural gas wells and other suitable geological formations. From there, more complex hydrocarbons can be made. Far easier to do this and make carbon-neutral and energy-dense fuels than to try and keep hydrogen from escaping (the main issue with storing large quantities of it).

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[gillbates]

How long does it take you to plug in your car each night? 30 seconds? 20 seconds?

Over the course of a week, plugging in your car each night will take you from 140 to 210 seconds combined. That's two to three minutes of your time. Three minutes is also the amount of time it takes me to stop at the gas station and fill up my vehicle. Yes, I've timed it. No, I don't worry about how long it takes anymore.

And if you're worried about 3 minutes a week, I'd say you've got bigger issues than choice of fuel.

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[jhutch2000]

I'm calling bullshit. Even ignoring the time it takes to drive out of your way to the gas station, drive INTO the gas station and line up at the pump (there is a line over half the time during rush hour) ... it STILL takes more than 3 minutes to park, get out, put in your credit card info, pump the gas, get back in the car and drive out of the gas station area.

If you aren't spending at least 10 minutes, you must have the fastest gas station pumps in the country!

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[gillbates]

Nope, I've timed it. From the time I pull in to the time I pull out is three minutes. I couldn't believe it either, but I've confirmed it on multiple occasions.

I do, however, have gas stations on my commute, so I don't have to drive out of my way.

Maybe you drive a gas hogging SUV? I rarely pump more than 12 gallons.