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Pulitzer-Winning Journalist Claims US Sabotaged Nord Stream Pipeline (substack.com) 352

Seymour Hersh is a former New York Times and New Yorker reporter who won numerous awards for his investigative journalism, including a 1970 Pulitzer Prize for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War. In his first post to Substack, Hersh details the covert operation the United States conducted last year to blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

"In the immediate aftermath of the pipeline bombing, the American media treated it like an unsolved mystery," writes Hersh. "Russia was repeatedly cited as a likely culprit, spurred on by calculated leaks from the White House -- but without ever establishing a clear motive for such an act of self-sabotage, beyond simple retribution." We covered the news last October from an environmental standpoint as it led to what became the biggest single release of climate-damaging methane ever recorded.

In a lengthy and detailed post, citing a source with direct knowledge of the operation, Hersh describes the planning involved, operation itself, and fallout. Slashdot reader r1348 shares an excerpt from Hersh's report: Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.
Speaking about Biden's decision to sabotage the pipeline as winter approached, the source said: "I gotta admit the guy has a pair of balls. He said he was going to do it, and he did." Asked why he thought the Russians failed to respond, he said cynically, "Maybe they want the capability to do the same things the U.S. did. It was a beautiful cover story," he went on. "Behind it was a covert operation that placed experts in the field and equipment that operated on a covert signal."

In response to the report, White House spokesperson Adrienne Watson said: "This is false and complete fiction." Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the CIA, similarly wrote: "This claim is completely and utterly false."
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Pulitzer-Winning Journalist Claims US Sabotaged Nord Stream Pipeline

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  • Cui bono? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thebeastofbaystreet ( 3805781 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:24PM (#63277117)
    On the one hand, itâ(TM)s very hard to imagine the US with the help of NATO allies doing this and it not leaking well before now. On the other hand, itâ(TM)s hard to think of anyone else that would benefit from doing it.
    • Re:Cui bono? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @12:47AM (#63277457) Journal
      Russia was required contractually to deliver gas to Germany, which they weren't doing. Contractually, they had agreed to pay a fee every day they didn't deliver. When Nordstream blew up, Russia was able to get out of that contract.
    • by sd4f ( 1891894 )

      Depending on your view of things, it makes some sense to me why Russia would blow up all but one pipeline. Germany has made itself reliant on Russian resources, and one can argue, that there is plenty of forced bureaucracy and undermining Ukraine, probably in order to not overly offend Russia. I think the case that Russia did it was probably more to twist Germany's arm into deciding 'who's side are they on...'

      While ultimately I have no clue who did it, there's lots of motives around which make sense, but I

    • by noodler ( 724788 )

      This has nothing to do with NATO.
      The US has been hard-selling it's LPG to the EU for over a decade. The EU refused to take the offer due to price. Putins war was a perfect opportunity to kill off the competition.
      If you want more motives, think what country would profit the most from a close of the russian pipes.
      And as the EU is still slow on the uptake, pivoting towards renewables, (today) the US decided it will undercut EUs R&D into renewables by playing the protectionism card.
      The US is an untrustworth

  • by tekram ( 8023518 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:42PM (#63277155)
    Nordstream was not providing much gas and pretty much shut off by the time it was blown up. There was no impetus or necessity to carry something like this out by the West - but there was plenty of logic on the Russian side as it justified their action against Ukraine and indirectly against NATO. Putin knew that Nordstream was made redundant soon after the 2022 invasion and that the EU was not going to rely on Russian energy for the foreseeable future if ever again. What do you do with something that is made redundant in Russia? You blow it up
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Europe was still buying gas from Russia and hoping to continue through the winter. Russia was using its power to turn the gas on and off as a political lever. Blowing up the pipelines took that lever away, permanently, just as Biden had promised.
      • by JasterBobaMereel ( 1102861 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:55AM (#63277877)

        Most of the gas that Europe was buying was going via other pipelines already, one Nordstream was never used, the other was shut down for "maintenance" most of the time

        it did nothing to stop the flow of gas, but the flow stopped due to political pressure inside Europe not a lack of gas

        Europe had nothing to gain, USA had nothing to gain, Russia had a useless pipeline they didn't need ...

    • Nordstream was not providing much gas and pretty much shut off by the time it was blown up.

      You mean people weren't using much gas in the summer/fall? You can say that they were cutting their usage for political reasons, but it's very obvious that it's also a time of year when demand is lower.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by bloodhawk ( 813939 )
      Nordstream was something Russia was holding over europe, while it might not have been supplying much at the time it was a huge bargaining chip. It only made sense for either the US or Ukraine to sabotage it, Russia had absolutely zero reason to sabotage it as it removed a bargaining chip from their side of the table.
  • On the one hand it helps to further pressure on the Russian economy, but on the other hand Russia was threatening to cut it off and was selling it at below market costs to India, China and probably others.

  • by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:46PM (#63277167)

    Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Biden administration effectively greenlit operation of Nordstream 2 by lifting Trump-era sanctions levied against it:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]

    The lifting of those sanctions clearly signaled to Putin that he could continue to deliver natural gas to Germany and other parts of Europe, even in the event that pipelines leading through Ukraine were somehow cut off.

    Putin then pressed his advantage and invaded Ukraine while the Biden administration sat idly by and did nothing.

    If this report is true, it either means the current administration realized too late what the pipeline actually represented or something far worse.

    • by RossCWilliams ( 5513152 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:12PM (#63277243)
      Here is what that article actually says: "President Joe Biden has said he opposes the $11bn (£7.8bn) project. His Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said during his confirmation hearing that he was "determined to do whatever we can to prevent that completion" of Nord Stream 2."
      • And yet they lifted sanctions. Why?

      • All of this is irrelevant as they bombed Nord Strem 1 and left half of Nord Stream 2 intact. So the project they opposed is very much even now with this conspiracy theory behind us capable of delivery 27 million cubes / year to Europe.

        If anything when the first conspiracies about the attack broke it seemed like it was done in order to ensure that Nord Stream 2 actually goes into operation, something Germany had refused to do given the war. Given Putin's constant excuses that "equipment failure" were the rea

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:49PM (#63277177)

    This story was released at exactly the same time as the Kremlin pushed the same line through other channels. It's another fake propaganda blitz aligned with a renewed invasion on the ground. Distraction and disinformation are their strongest suits and they play them hard.

    Expect lots of:
    "There are two sides to every story"
    "There are better sources of information available"
    "NATO will stop at nothing to destroy Russia"
    "My taxes could be used for better purposes"
    "Tens of thousands of innocent Donetsk civilians were murdered and the West did nothing"
    "NATO said they would never expand East"
    "Ukraine leadership is corrupt and made up entirely of drug addicts"

    There are others.
    Their trolls work as groups such as the Internet Research Agency. They each run 5 - 15 IDs concurrently. When they make a media post they quickly upvote a post to push it high in the ranks. They downvote all opposition. When the object is just to create a toxic debate (often) they post in an inflammatory manner on both sides of a dispute simply to disgust and cause grief. All fair in their view of warfare. Constant war and endless enemies are need to sustain autocracies.

    RAND's view: https://www.rand.org/pubs/pers... [rand.org]

    • "In a lengthy and detailed post, citing a source with direct knowledge of the operation," In the fog of war everything is propaganda. But that doesn't make everything untrue. European leaders have zero interest in blaming the US for this. They gain nothing from that other than to make their own jobs harder by creating a popular backlash against their major ally in the middle of a war.
  • Motivation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:06PM (#63277219) Journal

    "but without ever establishing a clear motive for such an act of self-sabotage"

    Germany was pressuring Russia contractually to deliver gas (in Nordstream1). Each day the gas wasn't delivered, Russia had to pay a fine. When the pipeline exploded, that got Russia out of their contract. That might not be what happened, but I'm not impressed by someone who claims Russia had no motive.

    • Exactly. This was Russia's vested interest in destroying it. They hadn't planned on a long war and wanted to exert pressure quickly and decisively.

    • I'm thinking who ever didn't blow them up is secretly glad it happened.

    • by jeti ( 105266 )
      To my knowledge, Russia had no problem fulfilling the contract. What's more, they don't have the infrastructure to deliver the gas to anywhere else and have to burn it off.
  • Hersh has a formidable reputation for uncovering nasty facts the US government wants to keep hidden. He's hammered both parties, by the way. He doesn't pick sides.

    So I read a few comments on Slashdot and what do I see? Various flavours of, "He's lying" without a shred of evidence to support the contention. Hersh protects his sources, and over the years they've come through for him. I don't see why this situation would be any different, though I'd certainly be open to some kind of debunking more worthy

  • There has to be a reason the direct neighbors looked away quite intently. The only reasonable explanation is they knew in advance.

    Incidentally, this is an act of war against the EU.

  • by StevenMaurer ( 115071 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:59PM (#63277359) Homepage

    He thinks Trump is smart [thenation.com]. He subscribes to conspiracy theories about the raid against Osama bin Laden [bbc.com]. He continues to defend the Assad regime, pretending that it didn't use poison gas [al-bab.com].

    I don't know if he's gone senile or just nutcase, but the man isn't right in the head anymore. In 2011, for instance, he suggested that Stanley McChrystal, the former top commander in Afghanistan, and the leadership of the US Joint Special Operations Forces were "all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.” Which not only isn't supported by any evidence, but WTF are the "Knights of Malta" and who cares? Even if it were true (which it's not), Malta has zero to do with Afghanistan.

    It seems like there's not an anti-American conspiracy theory he doesn't credulously latch onto, despite it making absolutely no sense.

    So NO, I don't believe his latest pap for one second. He positively makes Chomsky look sane.

    • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @12:48AM (#63277465)

      He thinks Trump is smart [thenation.com]. He subscribes to conspiracy theories about the raid against Osama bin Laden [bbc.com]. He continues to defend the Assad regime, pretending that it didn't use poison gas [al-bab.com].

      I don't know if he's gone senile or just nutcase, but the man isn't right in the head anymore.

      This.

      The fact that he exposed a big cover-up in 1970 gave him some credibility.

      But the far more recent and extensive pattern of endorsing nonsensical conspiracy theories kinda blows all that credibility away.

      All we have now is an outlandish statement from a person with a recent history of making outlandish (and unverified) statements.

    • by mkwan ( 2589113 )

      Re the Knights of Malta, he was probably referring to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, a legitimate organization descended from the Knights Hospitaller. They do humanitarian work, so who knows, maybe they were involved in Afghanistan.

      They're vaguely sovereign (recognized by a bunch of countries), but their territory seems to consist of a building in Rome, located between a Hermes and a Jimmy Choo.

  • by Qwertie ( 797303 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @12:25AM (#63277405) Homepage

    Russia was repeatedly cited as a likely culprit [...] without ever establishing a clear motive for such an act of self-sabotage

    Failure to distinguish Putin's interests from "Russian" interests is confusing the majority of people.

    Blowing up Nord Stream wouldn't be in Russia's interests, certainly. It would hurt Russia's economy and damage Russians' quality of life. But Putin likely thought it was in his own interest. Why?

    In the two months before Nord Stream blew up, Nord Sstream was running at about 20% of capacity -- according to Russia, this was due to a lack to turbine equipment. At first, Canada didn't want to send repaired turbines due to sanctions. But when it waived sanctions and sent a turbine, Russia refused to accept it. [www.cbc.ca] (source 2 [reuters.com], source 3 [businessinsider.com]). Finally they shut off gas completely. [carnegieendowment.org] Technical difficulties, they claimed, but no one who was paying attention was buying it.

    Soon after the decision to keep the gas off, Putin was at a fork in the road as the Ukrainians had just retaken the Kharkiv region (due mainly due to a lack of manpower in the Russian forces). Many observers including myself thought Putin would most likely respond by pulling back to the Donbass region after "regouping" his Kharkiv forces, take over a little more land, declare victory, and give up on confronting the west. That would've been the most rational response. Instead he doubled down.

    We know that he doubled down on attacking Ukraine by conscripting 300,000 new soldiers (officially). But was that all he did? According to observers of Russia's regime such as Vlad Vexler [youtube.com], Putin believes the West is structurally weak and in decline. Since he's surrounded by loyalists and yes-men there is likely no one willing to tell him he's wrong. Just as he expected to take Kyiv in 3 days [bbc.com], I think he had other wrong expectations too. Most people don't reevaluate their whole life when one or two plans go awry, and so Putin probably thought he could still take over Eastern Ukraine after mobilization -- and perhaps, by other means, cripple Europe at the same time. Putin sees himself as being in a war with the entire West, and Russia propagandists routinely deliver that same message on state TV. So he thinks he has some ability to "beat" the west but he can't afford to do anything openly that might trigger NATO Article 5 (military confrontation). It would make sense in this context to secretly blow up Nord Stream and cut some internet cables [datacenterdynamics.com] as long as Russia can plausibly deny involvement. By doing so he's hurting Europe -- not more than Russia, but more than himself.

    Secrecy is paramount, however.

    Consider what would happen if Putin simply keeps the pipeline off: Russians would know that Putin is hurting Russia's revenue by keeping the gas off. But since the pipeline mysteriously blew up, Russian propaganda is free to tell everyone that the U.S. did it. Blaming foreign enemies (real or imagined) is a proven technique to increase nationalist feelings and bolster the Dear Leader. Similarly, if Putin openly blows up the pipeline, not only would Russians rightly question this decision, but the West might respond agressively to such a provocation.

    It doesn't make sense for the U.S. to attack the gas supply of its own allies. You'd have to believe that the U.S. is willing to ha

    • by Qwertie ( 797303 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:50AM (#63277597) Homepage

      As for this article by Hersh, the only evidence Hersh cites for his claims is "a source with direct knowledge". Okay. And how many people have evaluated the credibility of this source? Well, only Hersh himself. I've never heard of Hersh, so let's see what Wikipedia is says about him:

      In the April 17, 2006 issue of The New Yorker,[31] Hersh wrote that the Bush administration had plans for an air strike on Iran. Of particular note in his article was that a US nuclear first strike (possibly using the B61-11 bunker-buster nuclear weapon) was being considered to eliminate underground Iranian uranium enrichment facilities. [....]

      When, in October 2007, he was asked in a Democracy Now! interview about presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's hawkish views on Iran, Hersh stated that Jewish donations were the main reason for these:

      Money. A lot of the Jewish money from New York. Come on, let's not kid about it. A significant percentage of Jewish money, and many leading American Jews support the Israeli position that Iran is an existential threat. And I think it's as simple as that. [...]

      On May 10, 2015, Hersh published the 10,000-word article "The Killing of Osama bin Laden" in the London Review of Books (LRB) [....]

      Hersh's story drew harsh criticism from reporters, academics, media commentators and officials.[39][40][41] Politico's Jack Shafer described the story as "a messy omelet of a piece that offers little of substance for readers or journalists who may want to verify its many claims".[42][43] Peter Bergen disputed Hersh's contentions, saying they "defy common sense";[44] Hersh responded that Bergen simply "views himself as the trustee of all things Bin Laden".[45] A similar dismissal of Hersh's account came from former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell.[46] A former intelligence official who had direct knowledge of the operation speculated that the Pakistanis, who were furious that the operation took place without being detected by them, were behind the false story as a way to save face.[47]

      In 2018, Hersh told an interviewer, "I don't necessarily buy the story that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. We really don't have an ending to the story. I've known people in the [intelligence] community. We don't know anything empirical about who did what."

      On December 8, 2013, the London Review of Books published "Whose Sarin?", an article rejected by the New Yorker and Washington Post.[53][54][55] Hersh wrote that the Obama administration had used "cherry picked intelligence" to try to justify a military strike against Syria after the Ghouta chemical attack and had ignored evidence the Syrian rebels could also have obtained Sarin gas. The White House denied the allegations made in the article,[54][56] and a number of Syria and chemical weapons experts were critical of the article.[54][57]

      On June 25, 2017, Welt am Sonntag published Hersh's article "Trump's Red Line".[58] This had been rejected by the London Review of Books.[59][60] He said there was a split between the U.S. intelligence community and president Donald Trump over the alleged 'sarin attack' at the rebel-held town of Khan Shaykhun in Idlib on April 4, 2017: "Trump issued the order despite having been warned by the U.S. intelligence community that it had found no evidence that the Syrians had used a chemical weapon".[58][61] Bellingcat accused Hersh of sloppy journalism: "Hersh based his case on a tiny number of anonymous sources, presented no other evidence to support his case, and ignored or dismissed evidence that countered the alternative narrative he was trying to build."[62] Journalist George Monbiot criticized Hersh for not giving the building coordinates to enable verification from satellite imagery and for relying on refuted analysis by Ted Postol.[63]

      So, you could believe him, and lots of people will. He did win a prestigious prize 53 years ago. But his recent work doesn't sound to me like it has the same quality

  • How come they use the word 'claims'? They never use that when saying Trump did this or that. That's always stated as fact.

    https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
    "According to documents recently declassified by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), former President Donald Trump posted a classified satellite image of a failed rocket launch in Iran"

    Wow documents are talking, they are cited as a source! It wasn't some leftist claiming Donald Trump did this, documents actually came alive and stated withou

  • Remember the NYT won a Pulitzer for publishing genocide denial propaganda on behalf of the USSR during the Holodomor.

  • We need a task force to investigate this, possibly a Republican led Committee in the House can coordinate with a Democratic led one in the Senate, and coordinate with the DOJ in seeking an inquiry from those at the CIA tasked with oversight of those overseeing the managers of foreign operations.

    But not if that would impede the investigations, we wouldn't want to slow them down.

  • by qaz123 ( 2841887 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:11AM (#63277751)
    The NS pipelines were built by Russia with the sole purpose to bypass Ukraine. The Ukrainian (+Polish) pipelines have enough throughput to pump all the needed Russian gas to Europe. Russia didn't want to pay Ukraine transit fees (which is billions) that's why NS was built. Not to increase "European reliance on Russian gas" and some other nonsense. Russia built NS and then decreased the amount of gas pumped through Ukraine and hence the amount of money payed to Ukraine . Ukraine and Poland were STRONGLY against Nord Stream exactly for that reason. And so was the US - the Ukrainian and Polish ally. Do you know that even now Russia is pumping gas through Ukraine and paying Ukraine money? So now that the NS pipelines have been blown up, Russia will have to pump MORE gas through Ukraine and pay Ukraine more money. The war will end, it will not be forever. And Russia will resume to pump gas to Europe in the same amounts as before. But now it will have to do it through Ukraine and Poland only. It was done in the interests of Ukraine and Poland by some powerful ally of theirs.
  • Unreliable (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nicubunu ( 242346 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @04:31AM (#63277775) Homepage

    Wikipedia about Hersh: 'His stories, often alleging vast and shadowy conspiracies, have made startling — and often internally inconsistent — accusations, based on little or no proof beyond a handful of anonymous "officials"'. With a lot [wikipedia.org] of samples.

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @06:56AM (#63277937)

    Could make sense if it was the US. What better way to snap Germany out of their reliance on Russia than to blow up the pipeline?

    That said, I could the culprit being pretty much every any country in Europe since most of them were getting quite pissed off with Germany. The Baltic countries in particular would have the means and motivation and have been vociferous in their criticism of Nord Stream & Russian intentions for years. The EU were fools for making themselves so dependent on Russia in no small part thanks to Germany and the likes of Gerhard Schroder.

    It doesn't make sense to me that Russia would do it, but who knows. Maybe they saw holding supply to ransom wasn't working and decided to blow it up hoping they might cause a major rift between Germany and other nations. If that was the intention it clearly didn't work out that way.

  • by Your Anus ( 308149 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:37AM (#63277997) Journal
    Back when it happened. But it was pointed out that the pipeline wouldn't take all that long to repair and was inactive anyway, so what would have been the point?
  • by nealric ( 3647765 ) on Thursday February 09, 2023 @10:35AM (#63278407)

    Some guy wrote a substack article based on a single anonymous source, and because he's a "journalist" everyone takes it as gospel. Want to know why it was on substack? Because no reputable publication would go to press on such a flimsily sourced article.

    It plays well with cognitive biases. A certain class of person believes that their government is always lying to them, and they have the REAL truth. It's a way of bringing order to a chaotic world they don't understand, and feeling better about themselves. And it plays right into the hands of tyrants.

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