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TSMC Founder Says He Supports US Efforts To Slow China's Chip Advances (reuters.com) 32

The retired founder of TSMC said on Thursday that even as he supported U.S. efforts to slow China's advances in the semiconductor industry, the "bifurcation" of the global supply chain and the reversal of globalisation would increase prices and reduce the ubiquity of chips that power the modern world. From a report: "There's no question in my mind that, in the chip sector, globalisation is dead. Free trade is not quite that dead, but it's in danger," Morris Chang said, speaking at an event hosted by Taiwan's CommonWealth Magazine. "When the costs go up, the pervasiveness of chips will either stop or slow down considerably," said Chang, who at 91 remains an influential voice in Taiwan's chip industry. "We are going to be in a different game." In Taiwan, TSMC, Asia's most valuable listed company and a major Apple supplier, is widely regarded as the "sacred mountain protecting the country," because of its economic importance. [...] U.S. "onshoring" and "friendshoring" efforts to boost chip manufacturing stateside or in allied countries present a predicament for Taiwan. "Friendshore does not include Taiwan. In fact, the commerce secretary has said repeatedly that Taiwan is a very dangerous place, we cannot - America cannot - rely on Taiwan for chips," Chang said. "Now that, of course, is I think Taiwan's dilemma."
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TSMC Founder Says He Supports US Efforts To Slow China's Chip Advances

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  • I don't understand this part...

    "...China's advances in the semiconductor industry....would increase prices and reduce the ubiquity of chips..."

    in just about everything else China has been producing, prices go down and the ubiquity goes up

    what am I missing?

    • by tsqr ( 808554 )

      Go back and read it more carefully. US efforts to address China's advances are resulting in supply chain bifurcation and the reversal of globalisation; those factors he believes will reduce the ubiquity of chips.

      In other words, if we stop buying Chinese products, it will be harder to find products we can buy at prices we're willing to pay. Whether that turns out to be the case remains to be seen.

      • by jm007 ( 746228 )

        it's not a lack of careful reading, so fuck your condescendence

        your next sentence is a bit more helpful, thanks

    • by Savage-Rabbit ( 308260 ) on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:41PM (#63376273)

      I don't understand this part...

      "...China's advances in the semiconductor industry....would increase prices and reduce the ubiquity of chips..."

      in just about everything else China has been producing, prices go down and the ubiquity goes up

      what am I missing?

      I think he means that currently China is making chips and devices that are largely compatible and inter-operable with western electronics because everybody plays in the same market. However, if China is universally embargoed and shut off from the markets in the west and its allied countries then chips made in China may evolve in a separate direction, i.e. the world will be fragmented into two increasingly different 'tech-spheres' whose chips/products/standards/software will be increasingly incompatible with each other. So, since products from both the West and China will still be sold in many of the same markets (because many countries don't have an ideological bat in their belfry about China spying on them through cellphones and TikTok) then the inefficiency, duplication and general logistics headaches caused by technological fragmentation will drive costs and prices up.

  • TSMC is happy US government is trying to cripple one of their potential rivals. Ok, what's the news?

    • Not rival, threat to TSMC's existence and its owners' ability to enjoy the wealth they've amassed from it. Intel and ARM based companies are TSMC's "rival". Good luck to SMIC producing enough working semiconductors to maintain exportable electronic products that 1st world consumers would be willing to buy.

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Ok, what's the news?

      TSMC has figured out that if the US successfully makes them redundant, Taiwan is up shit creek.

  • If corporations weren't so willing to get dirt-cheap overseas labor, China wouldn't have consodidated so much manufacturing leverage.

    Now the capability divide is so wide it's practically impossible to close it.

    • They'll still get somewhat dirt-cheap overseas labor; there are a lot of people who live outside of China. They'll do it the same way they did it to China; throw billions of dollars in building their factories overseas to places like India and the South Pacific.

  • So US try to slow down its competitor, how does it help free trade? Seems counter intuitive.
    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      Because the Chinese gov. subsidize the heck out of their manufacturing companies to the point that they can sell products overseas for even cheaper than they actually cost to make and ship, so it's very far from a level playing field.

      • The CCP won't be able to subsidize those manufacturers when the West stops buying their stuff, and let themselves get rolled by the CCP when they try investing in China.

        • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

          >> The CCP won't be able to subsidize those manufacturers when the West stops buying their stuff

          Not gonna happen, and even if it did, why? That's the thing with a loss leader. It costs THEM to sell it. Less sales = more savings.

          • Apparently, you don't get economics. China is a relative poor country per capita. China wants to move from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy. For China to manufacture, they need tools and machines from the West. For that, they need foreign currency. China deliberately jacks up the price of goods to their domestic population, and that subsidy is used to sell their goods at a cheaper price, which means the Chinese get more market share, and discourage the West from manufacturing their own good

  • It is of course not better to be dead than Red, and Beijing can accumulate sufficient regional overmatch to make anschluss practical. A change in government would be an administrative inconvenience for the general public, not a disaster.

    The US has no existential interests in Asia or deeply popular public interests. The US military presence in the Pacific is a useful Cold War legacy the general public of 2023 could not care less about. Taiwan isn't worth fighting for and either way the US would be remiss dep

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