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Artist Refuses Prize After His AI Image Wins at Top Photo Contest (petapixel.com) 108

An anonymous reader shares a report: A photographer has stirred up fresh controversy and debate after his artificial intelligence (AI) image won first prize at one of the world's most prestigious photography competitions. He has since declined to accept the prize while the contest has remained silent on the matter. Berlin-based "photomedia artist" Boris Eldagsen participated this year in the World Photography Organization's Sony World Photography Awards, a leading photo contest that offers prizes that include $5,000 cash, Sony camera equipment, a trip to London for the awards ceremony, and/or worldwide publicity through a book and exhibition. Eldagsen submitted an image titled THE ELECTRICIAN to the Creative category of the 2023 Open competition. It picture appears to be a portrait of two women captured with a photographic process from the early days of photography.
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Artist Refuses Prize After His AI Image Wins at Top Photo Contest

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  • Imagine (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:44AM (#63455994) Journal

    If you can imagine it, AI can build it for you. No real talent (besides imagination) required.

    This will change everything.

    • Re:Imagine (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Merk42 ( 1906718 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:54AM (#63456020)
      AI or not, this was a photography contest, and what was submitted was not a photograph.
      • I mean - thatâ(TM)s the point. AI has got to a point that a sufficiently skilled prompt whisperer can produce images that can be confused for with the best photographs in the world.

    • Re:Imagine (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:55AM (#63456028)

      Have you actually tried to use AI to generate pictures? Because in my experience, you put in some pretty general terms, are amazed out the output, and retroactively conclude, "Oh yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind." In fact, because my actual intent wasn't even really understood by me, nearly any output fit the bill.

      Here you can see the actual piece - "The Electrician", by Boris Eldagsen: https://www.engadget.com/germa... [engadget.com]

      If I typed until my fingers were stubs, I couldn't do that.

      • It's one of several [eldagsen.com] images. This is what he says about them:

        [...]These images were imagined by language and re-edited more between 20 to 40 times through AI image generators, combining “inpainting”, “outpainting” and “prompt whispering” techniques.
        Just as photography replaced painting in the reproduction of reality, AI will replace photography. Don’t be afraid of the future. [...]

        • So spookiness, wow. There are minds which think anything dark and bitter is art. I don't understand those minds.
        • The whole point of photography is to capture a moment in real life no? Certainly we can debate the use of photoshop in touching up/editing a picture but at the core of it all there was indeed a real-life picture that was taken by the photographer themselves.

          Granted I can understand that these are the guyâ(TM)s words, not yours but this just sounds like one of those vague and grandiose statements a lot of self-proclaimed visionaries make to sell products.

          • Well, I wouldn't describe they whole point of photography that way. Given that it can be abstract, timeless, staged, misleading, doctored, or HDR'd into to being more cartoon that real, I would say purpose of photography is at best undefined. More often than not, the goal isn't truth... even if the scene is "real", the result is idealized.

            Real life mostly doesn't happen in the golden hour. It has blemishes and squinting, your good side isn't always the visible one, and the sun is in your eyes.

          • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

            The whole point of photography is to capture a moment in real life no?

            No. Look for other post here on this story for deeper thoughts on the subject but I would say the point of photography was always to capture an artists conception of how they wanted the subject to appear.

            • Fair, but in the case of AI-generated photographs the subjects (unless explicitly defined) never really existed to begin with. At best they are drawn from training data that contained images that the AI draws from. At least with photographs it works off a base image, regardless of how much you put it through photoshop.
              In that regard, would it not be more akin to a very photorealistic CGI? Which in itself I consider an art form but one wholly distinct from photography.

      • Thanks for sharing that link.
    • Re:Imagine (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Rei ( 128717 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:04AM (#63456052) Homepage

      If you can imagine it, AI can build it for you. No real talent (besides imagination) required.

      Okay, I'll bite. Using any of the numerous, frequently free, image generators out there, with no postprocessing effort, create an image for me of a horse riding on a man, talking to an RJ Palmer-style Charizard, standing next to a sign that says "Welcome to Mississippi".

      I'll wait.

      • AI excels at that kind of thing. I'm not going to make an account at one of those places but it's fairly trivial.
        • It's also going to get much easier to do. Midjourney recently released a tool that will allow for img-to-text so you can break an image down into prompts to recreate it. Even if you are not planning on making a 1:1 recreation of an image, it still takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. And no doubt it will get better especially when paired with prompt optimization tools. In other words, the automation is already getting automated.

          Really, the irony is that a lot of arguments being leveraged against regular

          • by Rei ( 128717 )

            AUTOMATIC1111/SD has had *two* versions of image-to-text for ages. It's NOT all-that. You may get images kinda-like your starting image, but not that close, and all still with your typical range of AI flaws. Because at the end of the day, new images are still generated by prompts, to the best of the AI's ability. And said "best of the AI's ability" is limited.

            The biggest game changer in the history of AUTOMATIC1111 / SD has been, by contrast, ControlNet (which MidJourney has nothing similar). *That* is

        • by Rei ( 128717 )

          It literally does not, which is why I told you to do that.

          It constantly astounds me the people who have no experience with AI art who adamantly insist to those who use the tools every day that they can just do everything, right out of the box, with no learning curve and no postproessing.

          That is just NOT the reality.

          • by Rei ( 128717 )

            Just to elaborate on what will happen if you try:

            * It'll have a man riding a horse instead of a horse riding a man, because it sees "riding" and "man" together and can't conceive of any other arrangement (assuming it actually gives you both a man and a horse).

            * The very mention of "Charizard" will turn your whole image cartoony, even if you try to stop it, and RJ Palmer's "photorealistic pokemon" works aren't trained into the model, so if you want his style, you have to custom-train, and that can be

    • No, it can't. I tried exactly that, on several of the "AI" image generation sites. I gave an "AI" a very detailed description of what I want, and the AI failed miserably. Took me more than 4 hours to do all that. I made a nearly perfect photoshop of what I wanted in about 30 minutes.

    • This will change everything.

      It will change nothing. There are already million of high quality photos/drawings made every year with probably an average of 20 views each, so now we will have 2 million more, so what? Artists will still get famous at random (luck and social skills). I don't expect artists to be fired either, they will produce more.

  • by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:47AM (#63455998)

    You can't just use AI and suddenly be top tier, just like you can't just take steroids and suddenly be a competitive bodybuilder... but given equivalent aptitude and willingness to really do the work, the AI user will eventually have the upper hand.

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      This.

      This is something most people who haven't spent much time with AI tools don't understand. They just think, "you type in whatever you want, and it does that". In reality, the AI tools have some amazing strengths, but also amazing weaknesses. Working human + AI together, you can achieve amazing things, but doing so requires lots of experience and not insignificant labour (though less than without AI tools, in most cases at least).

      • If you generate enough images with the same prompt, eventually the software spits out one that's good enough to win a competition without any retouching.

        Is that the genius of hard work, or just perl-type "true" laziness?

        If you want to achieve a very specific goal with the software then that takes a lot of work, but getting a really amazing image out doesn't necessarily.

        • I think this is more reflective of the fact that the average consumer of art/media just does not have a discerning eye for quality, let alone an understanding of what goes into photography. It is all just pretty pictures to them and not much else.

          • Well, yeah. I mean, who is the art for? If your only goal is to reach experts, your potential audience is kind of small. And there is art like that, of course, but there's way more that is meant to appeal to a broader audience.

        • by Rei ( 128717 )

          "If you generate enough images with the same prompt, eventually the software spits out one that's good enough to win a competition without any retouching."

          It most definitely does not. Punch in "A photo of a horse riding on a man, talking RJ Palmer-style Charizard, next to a sign that says "Welcome to Mississippi"."

          I'll wait.

          SD doesn't friggin' understand "A red box on a blue box", and you think it just generate anything if you click 'generate' enough? Sure, in the same way that a million monkeys will even

    • How would a photographer prove that her submission is a real photograph or not? In sports there are drug tests to figure out if an athlete is doped. What would be the equivalent test in photography?
  • good on him to refuse these attractive prizes. The picture feels a bit AI-generated to me, not sure if prior knowledge of that information is clouding my judgement though
    • good on him to refuse these attractive prizes. The picture feels a bit AI-generated to me, not sure if prior knowledge of that information is clouding my judgement though

      Look at the direction that the two eyes of the frontmost person are pointing: they're not both looking in the same direction.

      Also of note: The reflections from the frontmost person's clavicles (on the chest, just under the throat) are not symmetric and the gap between is not in the middle of the chest.

      The ear of the rearmost person is way too far back on the head, so that the junction between the ear and the head is over the horizon of the curve of her face.

      The cheekbones of the frontmost person are not the

      • Good call on the clavicle asymmetry.

        The spacing on the fingers of the hand that's on her shoulder leapt out at me as wrong. Also the fingernails.

      • > The more I look, the more artifacts I see.

        There's also something off on the back woman's hands, they don't look right at all. I've seen that with other AI created images, it gets the hands and eyes wrong.
      • I came here to say exactly that, well, less eloquently, for sure, however the image looks bad in so many ways.
        The person behind is creepy, looks like a serial killer who's looking for her next fix, thinking "what if I suddenly choke this young lady?".
        Her left hand fingers are all weird. And so on.

      • The hand on the shoulder on the left side of the picture is also wildly strange looking. The pinkie finger is long and weirdly offset, one finger has a long clawlike nail, and the fingers are strangely bulbous and almost appear muscular beyond actual fingers capability. The hand on the other shoulder also is strange, with all of the nails appearing very different from each other. There is also the strange lack of focused detail on portions of the ‘model’ that should very much be in focus and eas
      • by edis ( 266347 )

        Dress drapes merging into the arm itself in anything but natural way.

        All in all, this thing is ugly disgrace to what human were considering an artistry.
        This winning is also insult to the qualifications of those judging.

  • The dislocated finger and the manhand should have been a dead giveaway.
  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:53AM (#63456014)

    He should simply be disqualified. It's a photography contest where no photography was performed. It would be more controversial if he entered a generic art contest.

    I'm generally in favour of image manipulation, Photoshopping is an integral part of photography just like the darkroom was integral in the days of film, but unless he fed an original image from a camera into some algorithm and used AI to manipulate it, the image has nothing to do with photography.

    • by dackroyd ( 468778 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:40AM (#63456192) Homepage

      That's why he refused the prize:

      > Eldagsen subsequently refused the award, saying "AI is not photography. I applied [...] to find out if the competitions are prepared for AI images to enter. They are not."

    • it's that the judges not only didn't catch him but awarded him.
      • by neoRUR ( 674398 )

        Or they did catch it and knew the whole time it was AI, but they wanted to get exposure to this issue and awarded him so that it would all come out. Strike while the AI iron is hot. If they didn't do this then some other contest would and would get all the exposure. I did recall it happening earlier this year somewhere else also.

        • Occam's Razor says no.

          If they didn't do this then some other contest would and would get all the exposure.

          These photography contests are dime a dozen and usually quite richly entered. They don't need "exposure".

      • it's that the judges not only didn't catch him but awarded him.

        Again, not controversial. The art world has a rich history of fraudulent entries getting awards for things. This is just business as usual.

    • He should simply be disqualified.

      Agreed. His entry violated the rules. Since his entry was subterfuge, and he is benefitting from the attention of refusing the award, he should probably be banned from future contests.

  • It's the only ethical thing to do, as he didn't create the work. His computer did. He will be known among artists as so lacking in creativity that he had to have a machine help him. We're not looking at his work, but the work of a very complicated mathematical model.

    Right now, using AI art is controversial among artists, to say the least. A lot of them absolutely hate it. It's not merely that it has the potential to displace working artists, but the fact that AI removes almost all of the artist's cr

    • by Njovich ( 553857 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:06AM (#63456070)

      No feeling, no emotion - it is simply an image which mimics what others have done. It has no soul.

      Yet somehow the jury picked it as a winner.

      Saying there is no art involved in a picture like this is disingenuous. It takes a lot of work, it requires a specific concept and it requires creating the many different part of the image, the style, etc. Of course it's creative.

      If you as a photographer take a picture of tree, you didn't create the tree, you didn't create the sky, you didn't create the lens, you didn't create the sensor and you didn't create the image processing code.

      So what exactly is the art in the photograph then? Well it's mostly about the idea, the composition, technical execution and finding the right subject. Not that different from the AI one.

      Of course the artist is right that a photography contest isn't the place for AI work.

      • Of course it's creative.

        According to his web page:

        "Using the visual language of the 1940s, Boris Eldagsen produces his images as fake memories of a past, that never existed, that no-one photographed. These images were imagined by language and re-edited more between 20 to 40 times through AI image generators, combining “inpainting”, “outpainting” and “prompt whispering” techniques."

        So... not at all easy to do.

        It's not photography though, and this was a photography competition.

    • It's the only ethical thing to do, as he didn't create the work. His computer did. He will be known among artists as so lacking in creativity that he had to have a machine help him. We're not looking at his work, but the work of a very complicated mathematical model.

      Right now, using AI art is controversial among artists, to say the least. A lot of them absolutely hate it. It's not merely that it has the potential to displace working artists, but the fact that AI removes almost all of the artist's creativity.

      AI generated imagery is not art. It is a manufactured image, much like CGI. The key difference between AI imagery and other digitally created artwork is that with AI, the "artist" specifies what is created, but not how it is created. An artist uses the brush or pencil to determine not just what is created, but how it is created, rather than just choosing one of several options presented by the AI model. With every brushstroke, every line, the artist tells us about himself, his perception, his understanding of the world, his experience. AI art contains none of that. No feeling, no emotion - it is simply an image which mimics what others have done. It has no soul.

      AI doesn't enhance an artist's creativity, it removes it.

      Define "art".

      Preferably in an operational fashion, that is, describe a process by which I can decide whether an image is "art" or not, without knowing whether computer or human made it.

      I'll wait.

      • by jp10558 ( 748604 )

        Heck, we can't even define art when humans do it - think of inkers, animation artists who did the in between frames, and more - the banana on a wall, or the urinal on a stand. Art is such a generic term that anything can be art IMHO.

        • The best answer I've heard is that art, at its core, is about communication, so anything done with the intent to convey a concept is art, often that concept is simply aesthetic beauty.

          Unfortunately this isn't a very satisfying definition as it is so broad to include things like smiling at someone, but it does put some limits on it.

          Say you found a cool rock and put it on display, the rock itself is not art, but the presentation of it is.

      • What differentiates art from every other human endeavor is that it is creative activity conducted for the purpose of creation, without any considerations of practical value.

        It is impossible to identify the difference between human creativity and computer generated imagery by aesthetics alone; even though mindless, geological processes created the mountains, we would not call them art even though they're beautiful.

        What this guy did was neither art nor photography - it wasn't photography because it wasn'

    • by Mspangler ( 770054 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:40AM (#63456190)

      I'm going to disagree. It is art, though it is not photography.

    • It is not quite that simple.

      From TFA:

      “The work SWPA [Sony World Photography Awards] has chosen is the result of a complex interplay of prompt engineering, inpainting, and outpainting that draws on my wealth of photographic knowledge. For me, working with AI image generators is a co-creation, in which I am the director. It is not about pressing a button – and done it is. It is about exploring the complexity of this process, starting with refining text prompts, then developing a complex workflow, and mixing various platforms and techniques. The more you create such a workflow and define parameters, the higher your creative part becomes.”

      Eldagsen says that he calls his work “images” and not “photographs” since they are “synthetically produced, using ‘the photographic’ as a visual language.” He also says that he is trying to bring this distinction to the forefront in the photo contest industry so that separate awards can be created for AI images.

    • It's the only ethical thing to do, as he didn't create the work. His computer did.

      That's like saying Vermeer didn't create his work, his paints and brushes did.

      He didn't just wake up one morning and find a new jpg file on his desktop.

      • A painter's emotions while painting shape strokes made through paint brushes and create the character of the piece. An AI user's emotions does not affect an AI piece.
        • How so? Apparently the process to make this image took many hours of the artist working on it to get it to express exactly what he wanted, i.e. the emotive content and artistic style. It's not fundamentally different from him doing the same work in Photoshop, or with a paintbrush. It's just not photography, so he was right to refuse the prize.

          I don't like aspects of AI image generation (e.g. copyrighted training images resulting in a rash of garbage imitating an existing artist's style, cash-grabbing by com

          • He worked hours on the whole thing. A painter can work hours placing a few strokes. The brain sends signals to the hand which allows a direct connection to the emotional state of the artist. Try asking an AI to paint exactly what you are feeling and see how that goes. You probably can't even put into words what you are feeling that closely.
            • You also can't put into brushstrokes what you are feeling that closely. It's not magic, dude :) I sometimes do agonize for hours over a single detail, but this is neither universal nor a requirement for great art. As a rather famous example, Vincent Van Gogh is said to have finished a new painting every 36 hours on average during his productive periods. Some people might even say that spontaneity and serendipity are the key to artistic expression, and overthinking is actively detrimental.

              • At any rate, there is no question that fine movements of the hand are an expression of a person's personality. If it were not the case, we would be able to tell as much about them from words written by a typewriter as words that are hand written.
    • Banksy would be proud.
    • by g01d4 ( 888748 )

      he didn't create the work. His computer did

      s/computer/camera and you've got early perceptions of photography as 'art'. This tempest in a teapot demonstrates a need to add an AI media or category.

  • by DigitalSorceress ( 156609 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:32AM (#63456324)

    At first glance there's just that tiny bit of "something you cant put your finger on"

    But look on image right - that hand on her chest .. the angle is all wrong for it to be hers and it's a left hand.. so ... yeah like still if you're not looking for it you just get that bit of "it's a bit off" without the WHY registering.

    One day, AI is going to get hands/arms right and oh boy are we going to be in trouble...

    • The focus doesn't look right either. The woman in back has blurry hair, but her face is about sharpest thing in the picture.
      And of course like most CGI, the lighting doesn't really make much sense, unless we're to believe someone set up some rather unusual lighting for this picture.
    • Not to mention that the hand on the left shoulder of the woman in front is the right hand of the woman behind her, while she already has her right hand on the right shoulder. It's just all wrong, hands everywhere.
  • by demon driver ( 1046738 ) on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:39AM (#63456342) Journal

    ... of this story is that the only reaction of the organisers (the World Photography Organisation) to the artist's (Boris Eldagson) attempt to initiate a discussion about artificial intelligence in photography awards was that they quietly removed all traces of his participation.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • That's doesn't do the case justice. His intention obviously was and is that, other than himself, there will be more and more people entering AI generated material for photography awards without saying so afterwards, while the World Photography Organisation seems to be intent on ignoring that.

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