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YouTube is Bringing 30-Second Unskippable Ads To Its TV Apps (engadget.com) 164

An anonymous reader shares a report: If you watch YouTube videos primarily on your TV, you may soon come across 30-second ads you won't be able to skip, just like commercials on traditional TV channels. The video platform has announced during its Brandcast event for advertisers that it's bringing 30-second unskippable ads to connected TVs. It will make the option available through YouTube Select, which is a targeting option open to eligible clients who want to reach the audiences of the website's most popular channels. YouTube says 70 percent of Select impressions land on TVs, so the new format will give advertisers the chance to show more of their services or products in a way that allows "for richer storytelling." If you already regularly see two 15-second ads consecutively, then the new format wouldn't make that much of a difference for you -- unless they show up more frequently, of course. The format is now generally available in the US and Canada and will expand worldwide later this year.
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YouTube is Bringing 30-Second Unskippable Ads To Its TV Apps

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  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:28PM (#63532775)
    I hardly ever use Youtube because of the commercials they had. Now I will be going there less.
    • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:48PM (#63532829)
      I tend to stick to informational videos on how to do things but even then I find myself yelling at the youtuber. You could search for something like how to tie ___ knot and what should take 30 seconds is a 4min video with some asshole blathering about how he wants to give a 'shout out to all his peeps' or some other nonsense. Get to the point already. Its like those contestants on who wants to be a millionaire, when they go into some ridiculous backstory as to why they chose the color Red for their guess of an answer. So Bob, I picked red because when I was 6 I fell down and stumped my to and I rememeber thinking 'wow thats gonna be red for a while'. Then later I chose to wear a red handkerchief to my high school senior prom. so from that day forward red has always been my color, so I am definitely picking red as my answer.
      • ok? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Stop watching shitty channels. Vote with your feet. One of the strongest signals to Youtube that a video sucks is when people start to watch and then abandon the video. Plenty of good stuff out there.
        • Re:ok? (Score:5, Informative)

          by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:20PM (#63533135) Homepage Journal

          Consider his stated usage - "how to do X" type stuff. He wanted to tie a knot, I was working on fixing carburetors(both my and dad's riding lawn mowers weren't working well).

          That's what I've been hitting youtube the most for recently, and I'm a bit irked that youtube drowns out all non-youtube results. Because while I'm fine with the theoretical way carbs work, especially simple lawn mower ones, the specifics can still trip me up.

          As such, we're unlikely to be watching any "channel" of such things.

          And yes, I start and abandon a lot of videos. But consider the annoyance of starting a 3 to 12 minutes video, but before you can see whether it is any good, you have to sit through 30 seconds of ads. Only to discover in the next 10 seconds that it isn't a suitable video, so you find another one - and up comes another 30 seconds of ads.

          Keep in mind that I might have a carb sitting my my desk in front of the computer screen waiting. I'm already generally skipping to halfway into a video to try to determine suitability in a lot of cases to simply skip the "like and subscribe" and in-video sponsor bits.

          • Re:ok? (Score:5, Informative)

            by Pascoea ( 968200 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:12PM (#63533533)
            I find YouTube, or video in general, an absolute waste of time for that sort of information. I spend a lot of time googling stuff like "Polaris 785 head bolt torque" or "Mikuni pop-off pressure test" and YT videos are the top results. I can scan a page of text in 10 seconds to determine if it's the right information I need or not, and move on if necessary. Alternatively I can spend 20 minutes skipping around a stupid video playlist trying to figure out if it's even the correct topic I need, much less if it actually contains any useful information. Great fun!
            • Re:ok? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:40PM (#63533953) Homepage Journal

              If I had mod points, I'd give them to you. I'm a dev by trade and when I google for how a particularly obscure language point or command works, the first thing that comes up are f***ing YT videos. I want TEXT.

              I don't want to waste 5 minutes looking at a dumb ass video that I'd have to keep rewinding to look at, when I can keep a page of text up and keep referring to it.

              • Re: ok? (Score:4, Insightful)

                by MysteriousPreacher ( 702266 ) on Friday May 19, 2023 @02:01AM (#63534087) Journal

                >I don't want to waste 5 minutes looking at a dumb ass video that I'd have to keep rewinding to look at, when I can keep a page of text up and keep referring to it.

                It is bloody annoying. I exclude YouTube from results to avoid this. For example: -site:youtube.com polymorphism swift

                I don't need some gurning twat rambling on for the algorithm before answering a simple question covered in 5% of the video.

            • I prefer text(and pictures for some stuff) as well, but like I said, YT tends to drown those out.

          • Just FYI, in case you haven't already run into it, Smarter Every Day does a whole episode or two on how carburetors work that might be educational for you. The presenter got really excited about them from a previous video on some related topic, and that's what happens.

            • The problem here is that I already know how carburetors work - theoretically. Which is what Smarter Every Day gives.

              What I needed are the specifics on how to tear down, clean, reassemble, and tune a carburetor for a Honda GCV190 engine. Or a Briggs&Straton 405777. Etc...

              I remember that video - watched it once while doing other stuff. He straight up mentions that real carbs are more complicated than his example one(though it does work), and has a follow up video where he gets to tour an actual carbur

      • Try smart tube next. It has sponsorblock built in, which is pretty good about skipping all of that shit. And I do mean all of it.

      • by MrNJ ( 955045 )

        "sponsorblock for youtube" chrome extension.

        Skips straight to the substance of the video

        You are welcome.

    • Ditto. These ads are perfectly skippable, by skipping the app.
    • Use Your Browser (Score:5, Informative)

      by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:19PM (#63532927) Journal
      Try using Youtube in your browser with the appropriate ad blocker. I'm so used to an ad-free experience that Youtube on an AppleTV is now unwatchable.
      • Re:Use Your Browser (Score:5, Interesting)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:30PM (#63532961) Homepage Journal

        Try using Youtube in your browser with the appropriate ad blocker. I'm so used to an ad-free experience that Youtube on an AppleTV is now unwatchable.

        Well, that's the rub.

        Sure, when I'm in the office, on work breaks or to do somethings....it's where I'll watch some YouTube and the experience with ad blocker, etc...is great.

        Trouble is, I don't want to be parked in my office all night, I'd rather watch at night (or mornings when waking up at times) on my big screens. I didn't buy 65" OLED units to not use and watch on a 27" screen in the office?!?!

        I like to watch YouTube a lot....often photography channels and now home brewing stuff.

        The ads to date, DO piss me off...it was tolerable but of late really I get to a spot where I just quit and switch to Hulu or something.

        But 30 second unskippable...?

        That's the straw that breaks the camels back.

        With the longer ones currently, I'll hit play..see a long 15 sec, I hit back and then play again...sometimes it takes a few times to get to a commercial I can skip in 5 seconds....but that usually works.

        But 30 second ones....and at the rate they're increasing them, sorry...I'm done at that point.

        I like my Apple TV and Fire TV cubes I have in the house on the various "real" TVs.....I bought them to watch in bed or living room, or kitchen, etc....and the ones in living room with good sound to go with it....

        I don't want to spend my time watching on an inferior screen and sound system just to avoid commercials...so, I'll watch something else.

        YouTube is shooting themselves in the foot somewhat over this.

        • Solution, wireless keyboard with a touch pad built in, plug you laptop into the TV. If you are willing to layout cash for a 65" TV why not invest some more on a raspberry pi or something where you can install whatever you want including an ad blocker.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Buy an Android TV box and install SmartTube. No ads, sponsor block, various other useful features.

          The Xiaomi Mi Box range are decent and reasonably priced, or there is the Nvidia Shield that offers a bit more performance. Install Kodi for your media library too.

        • If you hit back and play a 3rd or 4th time, the ads stop. Or this ist he behavior on my Roku branded smart TV.
          I'm looking for a cheap pc to use as a media player for the TV so I can run firefox and and a real adblocker.

        • The problem is your TV is too smart. Dumb it down, hook up a real computer to it, one that lets you install Firefox with Adblock or something.

    • You know, I have no problem with relevant, well-made ads. I really don't. However, I don't remember the last time I saw an ad that actually interested me, except for some (rare) in-video ads that some YouTubers have.
      My general experience with YouTube ads is: I want to watch a video about history, and there are a couple ads at the beginning which have absolutely nothing to do with the video. I just tried. Opened YouTube app on my mobile device, the ad at the beginning of a "40 weird moments caught on camera"

  • Full Circle (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Archangel_Azazel ( 707030 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:32PM (#63532785) Homepage Journal

    Ah, I see we've come full circle now and Google...much like the greedy morons before them... figure they can do whatever they'd like and folks will just continue to use them because...reasons.

    Yep, worked out well last time. The enshittification continues.

  • Put that as a favourite of the built in browser of your TV. End of story

  • by ctilsie242 ( 4841247 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:34PM (#63532799)

    Nothing wrong with blocking/skipping ads, but of all the streaming subscriptions, I've found YouTube the most useful. Might be worth paying the 10-11 bones for that, just as a way to support YouTube content providers.

    • by waspleg ( 316038 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:51PM (#63532837) Journal

      All the content providers are on Patreon and/or other paid platforms since the Adpocalypse. Google continues to be their own worst enemy. The tighter they grip the more slip through their fingers.

      I watch youtube the most. On a computer on a browser (FF) with the best ad blocking plug-in (ublock origin) on a network with multiple daily updated DNS black list feeds for trash. On a computer, I literally NEVER see an ad.

      On the 4K FIrestick in my TV (no, I didn't buy a new one just because you refused to update a cert you greedy fucks, Samsung), some things are already nearly unwatchable from the amount and length of ads - mostly used as mealtime entertainment. We have other options.

      Google does this at their own peril. Not everyone is conditioned to believe captive app portals are the only way - although many do.

      • by dirk ( 87083 )

        So do you subscribe to the Patreon of every every single creator you watch a video for? It's great to throw some money at your favorite creators but that doesn't help all the other people when you watch their video. It also doesn't help Youtube actually pay for the platform that you are watching the videos on. The idea that Youtube is somehow out of line for trying to make money for themselves and their creators is dumb. If you watch it, just pay the $10 a month for premium and then you get to support the p

        • by waspleg ( 316038 )

          Nope. I thumbs up their videos. Depending on the topic I sometimes recommend them to other people too.

          Some of these channels have no ads at all anyway because they didn't put any in (rare, but they exist, there are people making content trying to help others not trying to turn a profit - fucking shocking, I know).

          If YouTube where in any way an independent company I would probably agree with you. But they're not. They're another head of the Privacy Rape Hydra who already makes billions on shit you never

    • Might not hurt to buy a YouTube sub? Nothing wrong with blocking/skipping ads, but of all the streaming subscriptions, I've found YouTube the most useful. Might be worth paying the 10-11 bones for that, just as a way to support YouTube content providers.

      Does it though? TFA says nothing about Prime subscribers not being subjected to these ads.

    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:08PM (#63532889)

      uBlock Origin blocks all YouTube ads for me and I support several channels directly by giving to them via Patreon. I also give Slackware $1 each month because they're still alive and kicking and haven't done the same dumb shit as every other modern distro.

      • uBlock Origin blocks all YouTube ads for me and I support several channels directly by giving to them via Patreon. I also give Slackware $1 each month because they're still alive and kicking and haven't done the same dumb shit as every other modern distro.

        This UBlock thing...does it only work on computers, or is there an app for it on Apple TV or Fire TVs units?

    • Nothing wrong with blocking/skipping ads, but of all the streaming subscriptions, I've found YouTube the most useful. Might be worth paying the 10-11 bones for that, just as a way to support YouTube content providers.

      You know...I pay for YouTube TV already, they should throw in regular YouTube with commercial free with that!!

    • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:04PM (#63533081)
      Buying YT subscription also comes with downside of them being able to 100% positively identify you across all your devices where you use it. Google having your CC means they have your name + address + purchasing history.
  • YouTube is the new cable. They'll plod along for a while until everyone gets fed up again and starts cancelling. They'll have to come up with a new term, won't be cutting the cord anymore.

    • by ibpooks ( 127372 )

      YouTube is not even close to the new cable. A YT subscription is $11/mo for unlimited viewing and zero advertisements. The cheapest cable plan in my area when I canceled years ago was $65/mo and every program on every channel still had tons of ads. YT is a significantly better value than cable ever was.

  • Extraction (Score:5, Interesting)

    by quintessencesluglord ( 652360 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:50PM (#63532833)

    "I predict the new CEO of YouTube, Neil Mohan, will be seen as the guy that destroyed the creator economy that has built up this platform. His focus on trying to squeeze the most money out of Shorts at the expense of everything else will wind up making it almost impossible for anyone to make a living on YouTube - and the one real advantage they have as a platform in terms of their relationship with content creators - a reliable and predictable way to earn money from content - will disappear.

    The effect of the shift is apparent in the shape of the traffic curves - what used to be spikes followed by a slow decline in attention are now just sharp up and down. The focus is just on what is new and as much as they pretend that Shorts (vert) and longer videos (horizontal) are separate somehow it is absurd to imagine that they aren't part of exactly the same zero sum attention economy.

    YouTube long ago abandoned the idea of showing content to subscribers. Subscribers is a silly vanity number at this point with almost no correlation to who is shown what. This CEO will take the platform even further from a system where you can build up a relationship with an audience, learn from them and create culture.

    I'll keep going on here as long as I can, but what has happened recently makes it feel like time is short for shows like mine on YouTube. Pun intended.

    edit: in terms of what to do about it? I'm not sure. Form a union? Support efforts to break up Google's monopoly on advertising? What do you think?"

    -Ze Frank

    • Subscribers is a silly vanity number at this point with almost no correlation to who is shown what.

      I am not sure what you mean by that because the only discussion among viewers I ever see on youtube is all over on the day a new video is released, all the people who subscribe to that channel immediately appear and make their comments and from then on it's dead.

      • Re:Extraction (Score:4, Informative)

        by TurboStar ( 712836 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @04:01PM (#63533407)

        It means subscribing to a channel doesn't mean you will be recommended videos from that creator in the future. You might, maybe. Most videos now only get recommended for 24 hours before they are "removed from ram to make room for shorts". That's why the comments drop off suddenly. None of this is how the recommendation engine worked 1 year ago.

        • I haven't delved into it enough to figure it out, but aren't subscriptions how "everybody" seems to know immediately when a new video from a popular channel comes out? By the time I notice a video from Doug Demuro or Project Farm it has millions of views and the comments are a ghost town.
    • I don't watch videos on CNN because every god damned one starts with a 30s commercial. Fuck them.

      I'm not talking live stream, that's TV with normal commercials. I mean stuff like man bites dog, with a short video pushed, and click, it goes to that story page. Wait 5-10s while robots sell off the ad to whoever will pay the most based on my avatar's recorded interests, then 30s ad play countdown. Close box.

    • is that anywhere Ze Frank goes Youtube can either buy out or undercut until they're out of business. Larger players that might be able to survive that are owned by the same handful of major shareholders and they're not going to put money behind a Youtube competitor. That would just bite into the value of their Alphabet stock.

      The goal of any modern start up isn't to compete, it's to get bought out and a fat pay day from the buyer. That was inevitable when we stopped enforcing anti-trust law, and it means
    • I wish to hell I could figure some what to filter out and avoid the YouTube "shorts"...I don't watch them and I hate having to wade through them in my subscriptions screen to find the long form stuff I want to watch.

      I don't want TikTok....

    • The "audience" has grown so accustomed to getting something for "free" - even if they are paying with their data - it makes it very difficult to challenge the dominance of a platform like YouTube, especially when the company that now owns it has almost bottomless pockets.

      If their wasn't this prevalence of "freetardism" , then surely more bespoke platforms could flourish.
      They may not have as many numbers in terms of eyeballs, but if the quality is there and if there's an easy way to pay a subscription fee, t

      • What would have been a solution, would have been microtransactions, but those have been so abused that it makes money for companies, and gives the artists and content producers next to nothing. If there were a way to get people to just pay 99 cents or so for a monthly fee, with no ad-supported tiers, this model would likely go a lot further than the conventional YouTube model. You can look at World of Warcraft, and other successful MMOs, and see that most of them are still going because people pay the sub

      • It's less the free aspect as much as being antagonistic to the people who produce content. Some have broken down how much they make on millions of views and its pennies on the dollar. And that's with both ad and subscription dollars.

        Add to that being antagonistic towards viewers with unskippable ads and the like and you have people with less reason to create content and people with less reason to watch, much less pay in either time (ads) or money (subscriptions).

        Watch this space next year for total viewersh

  • ...to keep piracy in business! YARRRRRR!
    • There is no money in piracy. That is the whole point. It is done out of the goodness of their hearts because reasons.

  • We removed the YouTube app from Roku TV for precisely this reason. I do not get ads on the desktop version for the stuff I watch, so I can just connect to my Roku TV with my computer and stream right to the TV.

    • I bought a Hisense Roku tv and connected it to the internet exactly once. It was really buggy out of the box and barely worked. I let it do an update and then it worked great. Never let it connect since. Everything plays through a browser window on my desktop or from a saved file. Built in apps are so shitty and clunky.

    • That kind of defeats some of the nice stuff of a TV and Roku. I go upstairs and start streaming from the PC, then run downstairs to watch it, then run upstairs to pause it, then run downstairs... The reason I watch it on the TV is so that I can sit on the couch and use my remote control. Sure, I could get a mini form factor PC just for this purpose, but that's a lot of money and effort and time just to skip a few ads.

      And I find other things sucking with Youtube. It cannot figure out what want to watch.

    • so I can just connect to my Roku TV with my computer and stream right to the TV.

      How do you do this?

      I don't have Roku...but I have Apple TV and Fire TV cube....wondering if it can be done with those?

      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        I can push my PC desktop direct to my newer TV purchased about 2 years ago. Of course that requires wifi being enabled on the TV. For my older TV I have to connect through the roku so I image other 3rd party devices will work

        For me I go to desktop --> display settings --> connect to wireless display. Select the correct device. Your tv will prompt if you want to connect.

        I did this last week to watch some playoff hockey from my couch rather than my computer chair. I wasn't sure if the sound wo
  • Meanwhile, in my little corner of the Internet, I am bringing YouTube its very own line in my hosts file, opposite "127.0.0.1".

    Maybe not unskippable, by definition, but certainly unviewable.

  • they don't have any serious competition. In a healthy economy the gov't would be looking into their market dominance but, well, here we are.
  • I really didn't want to have to get around to making one of those pi holes to block stuff like this but maybe this kind of thing will make me stop being lazy.
    • Re:Pi hole (Score:4, Funny)

      by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:36PM (#63532977) Homepage Journal

      Yeah. I have two Android TV devices and I'm kind of sick of the ads versus what my desktops with SponserBlock or similar extensions installed. I don't really watch a lot of youtube on my TV, but sometimes my animals are stressed out and I put on some bird or squirrel videos for them. And I really don't think it is appropriate to expose my impressionable pets to ads.

    • Can any Pi hole users comment if this freezes up video streams when done behind the back of a TV app? Or does it work relatively seamlessly like Firefox + uBlock Origin? I'd like to set this up on the home network but its going to be a non-starter if the app hangs up on my family where it is expecting to inject an ad.

  • Meh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:24PM (#63532947)

    As long as Youtube Premium keeps them off my screen I'm happy to keep paying that.

    I generally just won't watch stuff with ads anymore. If there's a reasonably price option to avoid them I'll pay it. If its not available or the option is too expensive I just won't watch.

    • This is what I can figure out. As a Premium subscriber, does this affect me at all? Because this "pay, and also there's ads" model that seems to be spreading is pissing me off.
    • I'm a weird guy (I'm on /. aren't I?) and it lets me keep tabs on what the normies are interested in (or what the marketers think they are). Morbid curiosity if nothing else.

      30 seconds unskippable might be a bit much though. It's been ages since I've sat down and watch regular TV.
    • Paying for YouTube premium doesn't make sense as it only addresses a tiny portion of the ads. It's bad enough that everyone has a 2-minute sponsor messages and full ad integration into the content, but now it's becoming conventional for channels to post tons of Shorts that are just clips of larger videos, and creators regularly pin their own comment to post yet more ads.

      Over the last few years, I've just spent less time watching YouTube. There's just too much damn spam.

  • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:00PM (#63533063)
    Excessive and unskippable ads is one of the key reasons cable TV viewership is geriatric. Making YT, with its much lower production value, work similarly will only make it equally obsolete.
  • by Kelxin ( 3417093 ) on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:21PM (#63533139)
    I've already skipped all their commercials by never using their service and will never use it in the future. Take that YouTube!
  • >"you may soon come across 30-second ads you won't be able to skip, just like commercials on traditional TV channels."

    No, it is not like that at all. There is this thing called a DVR. I never watch ANY commercials on "traditional TV channels". Everything I watch from cable (would be same with OTA) is recorded by a TiVo and I skip or fast forward through ANYTHING I don't want to see. So please don't make the comparison of something unskippable on streaming to be "just like TV." The true evil potentia

  • Unskippable ads are the reason I no longer watch TV.

  • Not that I was accessing it all that often anyway.
  • Since we're talking about this, I'm curious as to what plugins, browsers, software etc everyone is using?
    I'll start.
    I've been using a Safari plugin on my Mac's for a few years now called "Dynamo" [apple.com].
    Seems to work by changing the video play speed to max which means the Ad finished more or less instantly.
    Don't watch YouTube on anything else but my Macs.
    So how will YouTube make the video unskipable?
    I'm curious as to how they plan to fix the video play rate, assuming my guess is correct on how something like Dynam

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