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Unesco Calls for Global Ban on Smartphones in Schools (theguardian.com) 153

Smartphones should be banned from schools to tackle classroom disruption, improve learning and help protect children from cyberbullying, a UN report has recommended. From a report: Unesco, the UN's education, science and culture agency, said there was evidence that excessive mobile phone use was linked to reduced educational performance and that high levels of screen time had a negative effect on children's emotional stability. It said its call for a smartphone ban sent a clear message that digital technology as a whole, including artificial intelligence, should always be subservient to a "human-centred vision" of education, and never supplant face-to-face interaction with teachers.

Unesco warned policymakers against an unthinking embrace of digital technology, arguing that its positive impact on learning outcomes and economic efficiency could be overstated, and new was not always better. "Not all change constitutes progress. Just because something can be done does not mean it should be done," it concluded. With more learning moving online, especially in universities, it urged policymakers not to neglect the "social dimension" of education where students receive face-to-face teaching. "Those urging increasing individualisation may be missing the point of what education is about," it said.

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Unesco Calls for Global Ban on Smartphones in Schools

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  • by Arzaboa ( 2804779 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:35AM (#63715390)

    "Smartphones" have no place in K-12.

    I remember the intense debates over scientific calculators with memory chips as one could store answers on them. These "smartphones" today are nothing but distraction devices that do a thousand different things that happen to also be able to call someone.

    With all of the restrictions already placed on students from dress codes to honor codes, I've never understood why these devices were allowed at all.

    --
    The cell phone has become the adult's transitional object, replacing the toddler's teddy bear for comfort and a sense of belonging. - Margaret Heffernan

    • by NoWayNoShapeNoForm ( 7060585 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:08AM (#63715432)

      "Smartphones" have no place in K-12.

      I remember the intense debates over scientific calculators with memory chips as one could store answers on them. These "smartphones" today are nothing but distraction devices that do a thousand different things that happen to also be able to call someone.

      With all of the restrictions already placed on students from dress codes to honor codes, I've never understood why these devices were allowed at all.

      -- The cell phone has become the adult's transitional object, replacing the toddler's teddy bear for comfort and a sense of belonging. - Margaret Heffernan

      Perhaps the pressure on the schools to permit cell phones comes from the parents?

      I can hear those parents now :

      If ya ban cell phones how ma kids gonna get me to come pick them up and taxi them to gymnastics, ballet, piano, whatever practice??

      Or: How will 'eye know if there been a bad event at school if kids can't call or text me about it?

      • "Perhaps the pressure on the schools to permit cell phones comes from the parents?"
        This requires no action, I think. Unless banned, they are automatically permitted, no?

        • Ok, then how about the pressure to not ban them? Because I'm absolutely certain a lot of teachers would love to get rid of them.

        • Banning them requires policing the ban I assume most schools have just given up. Unless you going to have body and bag searches how do you ensure this. Uniforms are easy because you can see directly.

      • by ls671 ( 1122017 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:31AM (#63715478) Homepage

        Perhaps the pressure on the schools to permit cell phones comes from the parents?

        I can hear those parents now :

        If ya ban cell phones how ma kids gonna get me to come pick them up and taxi them to gymnastics, ballet, piano, whatever practice??

        Or: How will 'eye know if there been a bad event at school if kids can't call or text me about it?

        Heu, dumb phones which can only send SMS and receive calls? Notice the title said "smartphone" not "mobile phones".

      • by ksm123 ( 10479910 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:38AM (#63715492)
        Pressure from parents? There is pretty simple technical solution. Smartwatch with SIM card. My kid uses one of those, as they are explicitly excluded from school-wide ban on electronic devices. This smartwatch allows kid to make and receive calls and texts, has neither YouTube/TikTok app nor games available, and I can force it to be locked during lessons. In locked state this watch shows time and allows to make phone-call to a single predefined number (i.e. my phone). Kid can call me if something happens in school, and after lessons I can call him (i.e. if I'm stuck in traffic).
        • What smart watch do you have?

          • Garett Kids, it is Polish company that brands Chinese OEM watches with their software for local market. Marketing materials list Kids series of watches as having a game installed, but it is a math quiz, and qualifies more as a teaching tool. Watches have GPS receiver so parent's app can show kid's location. Higher models have additional features like step count, heart rate and body temperature.
        • I wish every parent had the same mindset towards school and was as tech savvy as you, but most aren't and don't care about what happens in school (until the grades are about to get set).
      • Perhaps the pressure on the schools to permit cell phones comes from the parents?

        I can hear those parents now :

        If ya ban cell phones how ma kids gonna get me to come pick them up and taxi them to gymnastics, ballet, piano, whatever practice??

        Or: How will 'eye know if there been a bad event at school if kids can't call or text me about it?

        You mean the gymnastics, ballet, piano, or whatever, that happens at the same time in the same place with the same people each week? How will they ever know who to pick up where & when?! If there's an emergency or change in plan, they can call/tell the school office. Kids don't need smartphones.

        • It's pretty reasonable to assume kids will need to get in touch with parents for logistical things-- plans change, things get cancelled, etc. All of the schools around me have thousands of students. You really think that the school office is logistically capable of managing communications for thousands of students after school activities, illnesses, etc. ? How many admins would you have for a company that had thousands of workers? When I was a kid, there were payphones everywhere. These days I'm shocked to
          • Oh dear. So what is France doing? They banned mobile phones in schools in 2018. The sky must've fallen in by now!
            • Nice non-response. So... kids in the US don't have a need to coordinate with their parents about logistical things? Either they're doing something different in France that we should replicate here, or they have different logistics that make these things unnecessary.
      • Perhaps the pressure on the schools to permit cell phones comes from the parents?

        Or sometimes the kids themselves. The cited reason my wife's school didn't ban cell phones while at the same time lobbying the education minister to table legislation to ban them is because the school has a reputation for attracting students and thus gets the pick of some pretty good ones. Children have quite a bit of sway over what school they end up going to, and it doesn't take long for them to find out that a school is pretty strict about ${thing_they_like} and convince the parents not to send them ther

    • "Smartphones" have no place in K-12.

      That's almost as wrong headed as allowing them everywhere for any reason. Smartphones are packed full of sensors and have significant computational power that makes them great for a variety of scientific experiments [phyphox.org] so there are very valid educational purposes for Smartphones.

      The problem at the moment is that Smartphones are being used highly inappropriately in a way that is damaging education. The solution is to stop the inappropriate use but not to have a nuclear response that wipes out all, even bene

      • UNESCO & the OECD have access to decades of research on ICT use in schools. There are strong & consistent correlations between ICT use vs behavioural & academic performance issues. Even when ICT has been deployed & implemented in planned, rational ways, the correlations still remain. There simply isn't the evidence to support ICT use, let alone smartphone use in schools. The detrimental effects of EduTech companies trying to sell stuff to schools without any supporting evidence is also refer
        • UNESCO & the OECD have access to decades of research on ICT use in schools. There are strong & consistent correlations between ICT use vs behavioural & academic performance issues. Even when ICT has been deployed & implemented in planned, rational ways, the correlations still remain.

          That's not true. There is certainly some evidence suggesting a negative correlation but also evidence of positive correlations so calling it "strong and consistent" is highly inaccurate as a quick Google search will show you and in case you find that too hard have a look at this report from Sweden [skolverket.se] which summarizes other government reports from multiple other countries typically showing a positive correlation between ICT use and grades when ICT is deployed responsibly with clear goals in mind.

          However, r

          • To repeat, both UNESCO & the OECD have been doing yearly reports & commissioning meta-studies for decades. The overall trend is clear & consistent.

            Many workers also need to learn how to drive but that's not on school curricula & no reason to put it on. If it helps students to write & submit written work, e.g. for homework, fine. Teach them how to do that. It doesn't take long. Maybe provide library services for under-privileged kids to have access to computers or to just have a quiet
            • To repeat, both UNESCO & the OECD have been doing yearly reports & commissioning meta-studies for decades. The overall trend is clear & consistent.

              You can keep repeating this all you want but I linked a report to my previous post that also refers to multiple other reports that indicate positive correlations between reasonable and carefully planned use of technology and student outcomes. So why are the UNESCO and the OECD reports right and all the other reports wrong? ....because they agree with your preconceived bias and the others do not? Have you ever heard of confirmation bias?

              Many workers also need to learn how to drive

              Only to get to their job not to do their job and even then it is usual

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        so there are very valid educational purposes for Smartphones.

        That doesn't mean personal cell phones have a place in K-12 instruction. 99% of K-12 teaching does not involve experiments of any kind; let alone physics experiments using the sensors on a Smartphone --- If they need to make a one-day exception with the explicit approval of a physics teacher, maybe, But As a teacher you have no way of knowing what kind of personal devices students might have anyhow..

        There is simply a much better option

    • The summary says:
      "...there was evidence that excessive mobile phone use was linked to reduced educational performance and that high levels of screen time had a negative effect on children's emotional stability."

      But, as always, we should consider that the causation may the other way. The poor students who are bored in class spend more time on mobile devices; and the students with negative emotional stability deal with it with more screen time.

      These "smartphones" today are nothing but distraction devices that do a thousand different things that happen to also be able to call someone.

      The amusing thing is that, to anybody below maybe 30, actually c

      • I think that the emotional stability and education performance reduction may be tied less to smart phones and more social media. After all, facebook and such have been negatively linked as well.

        If we locked down the phones from social media, and only the more educational side of youtube and such, they'd probably be positive again.

        • Sure but smartphones is what allows children to guzzle social media directly, that stuff is specifically designed to maximize interaction user after all. And I don't think you'll be able to lock down phones to only show educational youtubes and nothing else in practice.

    • Maybe not. It all depends how they are used. My elder son (11) has his own cellphone. He has a three hours window to use it, and most of this time is spent using this app [allaboutbirds.org] or taking nature pics. I and my wife spend (or better, invest...) time helping him to explore nature around our location. Otherwise the smartphone time is spent learning to program using MIT's Scratch, and at school he will learn python programming this year. Whatsapp and phone calls are done sparingly to relatives and to a few friends.
      I
      • He's never going to get into the productive mental flow of programming if he is time limited like that when learning python.

    • My kids' school did ban cellphones. Do you think that stopped the kids from having them anyway? Not even close. Good luck with your ban!

    • > remember the intense debates over scientific calculators with memory chips as one could store answers on them.

      And yet, now that I'm a proper engineer designing hardware and software, I am not required to memorize formulas and theorems. I'm allowed to look them up in books or on my electronic devices in order to get my job done.

      There is no harm in allowing children to bring reference material to do their homework or exams. There is harm in denying them those reference materials because they end up equat

  • About time (Score:5, Funny)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @05:54AM (#63715408) Journal

    "I know, let's give all kids internet connected pocket computers!"

    "That might not be horrible enough, what could we do to make it worse?"

    "I've got it ... the internet connected pocket computers could all have cameras and microphones!"

    • Re:About time (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:57AM (#63715524)

      "That sounds awful"
      "We could add a tracking device so parents can see where their kids are all the time"
      "Ok, I'm listening"
      "And we could also get that data and sell it"
      "SOLD!"

      • "The Government might also find this data useful."
        "Yes, they might want to keep an eye on potential terrorists."
        "Be sure to ask more for the data, government is willing to pay more."

  • Yes, but... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by iAmWaySmarterThanYou ( 10095012 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:16AM (#63715448)

    Their basic premise is correct. If you have teens today you know they basically live on their phones, if allowed to.

    That problem starts at home. Parents need to parent their kids and stop letting the net, tv, etc babysit and raise their kids for them.

    But....

    We also don't need an international body setting rules and standards (be it phone use or anything else) that need to be set locally. One size fits all is a bad answer to education or most anything else in life. Some classes, some teachers, some schools, some kids may get value out of having devices. There are kids who need phones for emergency contact with their family. And so on with a million other exceptions.

    At my kid's high school phone use is rampant. She is quite open with me that in some classes they're on their phone screwing around most of the time. Yet, when I ask her about the material she has an excellent grasp of the subject. I find this mysterious but as long as she's somehow learning the subjects I don't care if she has her phone during school hours.

    • My kids have the same excellent grasp of the subjects and are three grades ahead in Math and English according to the tests. I *require* them to bring their smartphone (a cheaper samsung device (along with the Part 97 VHF handheld as a backup)). Guess what, there are no problems. Phone is used to communicate before and after school while they are on route or if I have a delay when picking them up so I can tell them to go to the library or something. If I understand correctly, it seems I have an experience a
    • As someone who had a pretty abusive and neglectful childhood, I do acknowledge that it all starts at home. However, the school should also serve as a place for parenting. If they're not getting it at home, she should get some of it at school. Including things like real discipline, consequences, various social rules, dress codes...

      We obviously need to make sure it doesn't cross a line, but life is always about balancing things. Too much parental power... too much potential for unchecked abuse and neglect. To

    • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      Their basic premise is correct. If you have teens today you know they basically live on their phones, if allowed to.

      And if you don't let them you're disconnecting them from their social circles, so they will end up being ostracised by their peers.

      But you're absolutely right, everyone is different so a blanket ban will end up harming some people far more than it helps them.

      I went to school long before smartphones became prevalent, but we had a mix of teacher - some tried to enforce strict discipline, some just couldn't care less and there was absolute chaos in their classrooms, and there were some more pragmatic ones who

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:17AM (#63715456)

    Starting this year, our kids are REQUIRED to have a smart phone on their person AT ALL TIMES at the school, so they can receive wireless emergency alerts and active shooter notifications/instructions. The phone must also have the school's geolocation app running with full permissions so students can be located by staff in realtime (again, presumably to assist in rescue during an active shooter or some other emergency).

    So, no, a cell phone ban is not going to happen. Ever.

    • by ThurstonMoore ( 605470 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @06:32AM (#63715480)

      What kind of Hellhole school are you sending you're students to?

      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:34AM (#63715592)

        What kind of Hellhole school are you sending you're students to?

        Hopefully one which teaches your/you're.

        • Also, shouldn't the gpp be asking where the ggpp is sending their children to? He's asking parents, not teachers, right?
      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by mjwx ( 966435 )

        What kind of Hellhole school are you sending you're students to?

        Everytown All American High School, USA

        Whoda thunk that a culture that glorifies violence, enshrines that every moron should have access to firearms, enforces a strict top down social hierarchy based on being the biggest dick, ignores (tacitly supports) bullying and viciously beats down people who speak out about it (especially if they're the victim) would result in an environment with such a high rate of violence in schools.

        I know a few 6th form teachers here in the UK (6th form = final two years of

        • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

          School shootings have happened in the UK too (search for Dunblane massacre), they are just a lot less common because firearms are much harder to get hold of.

          It's also worth noting that 6th form is optional whereas the previous years of schooling are mandated by law. The most disruptive students generally hate being at school for various reasons, and will leave as soon as they are able to, so they won't attend 6th form at all.
          Those students who attend 6th form have chosen to be there.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Schools in your country don’t have monthly active shooter drills? What about battlefield tourniquet training? There actually are litter boxes in American schools, but they aren’t for people who identify as cats. They are for regular children so they don’t wet themselves under the frequent lockdowns. https://www.sandiegouniontribu... [sandiegouniontribune.com]

      • Sounds like an American one.

        If you're not American this seems odd, but it's not all that uncommon. The poster is being inflammatory but they're probably being truthful. We have all sort of crazy stuff happening in schools to deal with mass shootings. It's likely that most if not all of it is just profiteering by somebody's campaign donor or brother in law (somebody gets paid for that geo-location app...), but regardless school shootings happen here and we're unwilling or unable to do anything to stop th
      • What kind of Hellhole school are you sending you're students to?

        The freedom school, fuck yeah!

    • Does the school provide the tracking collar, er, smartphone? (Hah, they can't afford crayons after paying off their consultants and administrators. Who's more important, right?) What if parents can't afford one? Or don't want their kids to have one?

      It seems rather intrusive; if a government agency wants to track my kid at all times, I have ways of maliciously complying (as I think most /. readers do), but not everyone does.

      • Your poverty is appalling. If you can't afford a phone, maybe your kid should work the salt mines instead of getting an education.

        Jeesh, those peasants are uppity again.

      • Schools will definitely spend money on tracking equipment if it insulates them from lawsuits.

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      I think this is becoming a fundamental challenge of the smart phones. They can do 'anything' with a just a little bit of software. A lot of times the targets already have them or could usually be made to get them or provided with them. So anytime anyone wants to do any sort of field data gathering, mobile communication, field calculations, authentication, photography, ....

      A smart phone app is seen as simplest way to implement, to a degree that other options are not really even looked at. To the degree the

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Of course if we want to take this seriously, we could issue devices with restricted loads.

        Today schools issue chromebooks, wouldn't be hard to imagine issuing $150 mobile devices if it were appropriate. Most of the school application is better served by the laptop, but a handheld may have utility beyond the chromebook.

    • by Junta ( 36770 )

      Depends on the "ban".

      At my kid's school, they are banned, meaning they can be on their person in a bag or pocket, but must not come out except on designated breaks, and those breaks are relatively short (e.g. not allowed during lunch either) and must be silenced.

      Of course, there's school mandated "screen time" with the Chromebooks. There seems to be some muddying of the waters with what the concern is, "screen time" versus "online social interaction". Even with online social interaction, there's some diff

    • by dskoll ( 99328 )

      That required geolocation app thing sounds vaguely unconstitutional. I would love to see it challenged. Electronic surveillance is a form of search.

  • A digital culture that truly serves humanity and it's interests can only exists with clear and open standards, a culture and etiquette around using them and a healthy balance between real life and the virtual world.

    All that is notably lacking in todays mass online anarchy and it's getting worse every day. We are more cyberpunk than the society of Neuromancer in some regards and this is by accident not by intention. And the effects are detrimental. Smartphones in classes are a problem if they aren't used cor

    • We are more cyberpunk than the society of Neuromancer in some regards and this is by accident not by intention.

      What do you mean "by accident not by intention"?
      There is a very clear intention of profits maximization by most corporation, and the current hell-hole we're living in is a side effect of all the efforts to keep the money coming in.

    • Am afraid that the UNA Bomber had it right with this one. This is akin to saying "Once everyone starts respecting the law, there will be no crime ever again"
      You got it backwards, every tool has it uses, but part of human nature is the intellect and creativity to put tools to novel uses that further personal interests.

      The problem with the internet, and technology in general, is that the only way to combat the bad usage of the tool, is with better tools of your own. How do you enforce a good, open standard? B

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:01AM (#63715530)

    You know, teach kids about what their cellphones do for them, and what they do to them, especially. How they're used as tracking devices, how they're used to gauge their activities and how they're used to spy on them. That's a pretty good motivator, especially during those "I want to be independent and my own boss" teenage years that they don't want to even TOUCH them if they don't have to.

    Of course this may have the unwanted side effect that they don't want to do it later in life either.

  • by snowshovelboy ( 242280 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:30AM (#63715572)

    The report also says smartphones enable education in places that have no schools. One example from the report

    Governments have also developed offline mobile learning platforms where access to electricity and internet is low, but use of mobile phones is high. In 2017, in Kenya, the government developed M-Shule, a mobile learning platform that uses text messaging to provide students with lesson plans, activities and learning materials.

    I skimmed all 400 pages and couldn't find any call for a ban, and didn't see any data that linked mobile phones to negative education outcomes. There was quite a bit of data presented around the lack of equity w/respect to who has access to technology, though.

  • by Schoenlepel ( 1751646 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:32AM (#63715578)

    The knowledge and training required by the school's curriculum is not the only thing the pupils learn at school. They also learn how to socialize, they learn the social norms and values of their community, the build up a network of friends.

    When they're staring at a phone 24/7 they're not learning all this social stuff, which is actually way more important than the curriculum.

    I would even go further than flat-out forbidding phones at school: before the age of 12 no smartphone whatsoever. First they have to learn proper social behavior and how to build a social network. The kids don't need to be glued to a screen all the time, they need to play tag, they need to play football with one another, run around in the neighborhood, whatever. If your society functions properly, kids should be able to arrange getting exercise all by themselves by running around in the neighborhood. All it takes is shoving them outside at the age of five, the rest they'll do themselves.

    • by Tom ( 822 )

      When they're staring at a phone 24/7 they're not learning all this social stuff, which is actually way more important than the curriculum.

      You're trying to say posing on TikTok is NOT the equivalent of developing social skills? What a shocker!

      Now remember that our parents said the same thing about being on the computer all the time. We should better go and play outside. They were wrong. So let's not assume we are THAT smart. But yes, school does teach a lot more than just its subjects. Every teacher knows about the "hidden plan".

  • by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Wednesday July 26, 2023 @07:45AM (#63715610) Homepage

    Definitely a ban during classroom instruction time should be put in place. In my opinion, there should be little cubbyholes for kids to put their phones during class time, and the phones must be turned off or put in airplane mode.

    As for parents needing to get in touch with their kids: You do it the old-fashioned way and call the school. If it's urgent, the message will be relayed. If it's not urgent, then a pox on the parent for attempting to disrupt classroom time and one extra chunk of evidence in favor of the bans.

    Also agree with no phones for young kids. My kids were 16 when they got their first smartphones and they survived just fine.

    • Same here, I informed my kids from a very early age that they would not be getting a cell phone until the age of 16 ONLY if their grades warranted it. If, after receiving the cell phone, their grades dropped the cell phone would be taken back. Another requirement was absolutely no cell phone use during class. During parent/teacher conferences I always asked about their cell phone use in class. My kids knew that one infraction would get the phone taken away. Heck, one of my boys rarely even took his phone to

    • YEARS ago it was apparent this would be a problem and look at how long it's taken for some sanity. Largely vocal bad parents delayed this. Now the addicts are "parents" in the biological sense and believe simply because they are alive and their child is alive they know everything that is best for their child and their phone affirms their beliefs if they search long enough on a personalized search engine... everything the phone says must be true! I'm exaggerating but it's bad enough before AI even has beg

  • I am not against the premise that smartphones are distracting... but the idea that Unesco thinks that they have the weight to call for a global ban? Screw them. Sit down. Go home.

    Now, I think they need to be put away while at school, for sure. However, that doesn't mean that they should outright be banned. Having a phone to call your parents when things are not going the way that they should at school is something that I would not allow to be taken away, as a parent. I don't care what their rules are.

  • where (Score:2, Informative)

    by groobly ( 6155920 )

    I don't know what happens in Lower Slobovia, but here in the USA, the primary cause of classroom disruption is miscreants who cannot be expelled, and that goes back to their family and culture, and has nothing to do with smartphones.

    • the primary cause of classroom disruption is miscreants who cannot be expelled

      Horseshit. Disruption here is not defined from the the petty few students doing something bad enough to justify being expelled. It's relatively minor bullshit that causes a giggle or so here or there yet none the less distracts everyone from the reason they should be in the classroom in the first place.

      Incidentally your proposed solution to your problem is uniquely American. Somehow you've not figured out that excessive punishment doesn't actually deter behaviour even after locking up twice as many people p

  • "Those urging increasing individualisation may be missing the point of what education is about," I really am appreciative when fascists out themselves so brazenly.
  • OK, Luddites and "pet rock" sellers. Get back under your bridges.

    But seriously... isn't the "fix" to integrate and manage access? Get everyone a device... give them user accounts... regulate what they can do, and when... watch what they do, while they do it...

Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.

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