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Countries Meet in Kenya To Thrash Out Global Plastic Pollution Treaty (theguardian.com) 30

Government delegations will gather in Nairobi, Kenya, to hammer out details of what could be the first global treaty to tackle the plastic pollution crisis. From a report: A key focus for the discussions on Monday will be whether targets to restrict plastic production should be decided unilaterally or whether states should choose their own targets; this is, say environmentalists, the "centre of gravity" for the treaty's ambition. At the last round of negotiations in Paris in May run by the international negotiating committee (INC) the US, Saudi Arabia, India and China favoured a "Paris-style" agreement where states would have the freedom to determine their own commitments, while others, including Africa and many developing countries, preferred strong global commitments.

But there are signs, some observers say, of a shift in the US's position on this key issue, though details have yet to emerge. "The main takeaway for many environmental groups, after INC2 [the negotiations in Paris], was how bad the US position was, in terms of Paris-style voluntary commitments," said Graham Forbes, the global plastics campaign lead for Greenpeace USA. He said there had been signals of a shift. "We are going to be watching very closely to see how that plays out. We need to be speaking about rules and putting in place regulations."

Last month, a "zero draft" version of the text published by the INC as the basis of negotiations over what the head of the United Nations Environment Programme has described as the most important multilateral treaty since the Paris accord in 2015. The goal is to have a formal treaty in place by the end of 2024. This third round of talks, in Kenya from 13-17 November, will mark the halfway point.

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Countries Meet in Kenya To Thrash Out Global Plastic Pollution Treaty

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  • by Press2ToContinue ( 2424598 ) on Monday November 13, 2023 @03:07PM (#64003011)
    Oh great, another global summit where delegates 'plasticize' their promises – flexible, durable, and ultimately non-biodegradable. Can't wait for the souvenir shop to open, selling 'I Survived the Nairobi Plastic Summit' reusable water bottles, made from 100% recycled optimism. Maybe they'll throw in a set of straws for each ambiguous commitment? I'm sure the final treaty will be as clear as the Pacific Garbage Patch.
    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Until someone figures out how to solve problems without going through the motions of solving a problem, even a serious attempt to tackle a problem is indistinguishable from posturing at the outset, unless you dig into the details.

      Sure, it's a reasonably safe bet on an issue like this that an international effort to do something is likely not going to accomplish much until people start getting really scared. But it's not a sure thing.

    • Rather than peacefully resoling this through an arduous treaty process, where each participating nation's legislature has to approve the treaty or send it back.
      Let's focus on solving the world's shared ecological problems through action ... military action. Sure, bombing raids cause terrible pollution in the short term, but in the long term this could be the final solution.

      Levity aside. There are problems in this would that are non-local and no single nation has the authority to intervene. This is an intern

      • Re military action: You know which country has the largest military that has ever existed & has more bombs than all the other countries combined? Apparently, they're also part-run by oil lobbies that can convince them to get embroiled in interminable illegal wars. Good luck with that strategy.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Yeah, it's another junket, just like the climate thing, where everybody flies in on their private jets and first class on the jumbos, discussing our future insect diet over foie gras and filet mignon and twice baked potatoes

    • It's hilarious that they met in a physical place to do this rather than meeting remotely. Obviously they aren't actually concerned about pollution. I wonder how many plastic water bottles will be trashed at this save-the-world meeting.

  • just link them into an big net and make little lisa slurry out of what is sweep in

  • ...must be havin' a bonanza on this! the big question is, does Kenya have enough coke & hookers to keep up?
  • by Dusanyu ( 675778 ) on Monday November 13, 2023 @04:24PM (#64003209)
    Why Fly people all over the world in private jets to yell at each other when the solution is as easy as looking back 30 years. Go Back to using glass For start it is easier to recycle than plastic for example soda companies used to change a deposit on your bottles you would bering them back the bottles would go to the plant be washed and than refilled. outside of that it is 100% and infinitely recyclable (no need to look at a recycling number just toss it in the recycling bin) Secondly if it does ends up in the environment it does not do major harm as it just breaks up into harmless sand. lastly Glass is not known to release chemicals that are disruptive to naturally body chemistry into the environment or into food. https://www.endocrine.org/topi... [endocrine.org]
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      for example soda companies used to change a deposit on your bottles you would bring them back the bottles would go to the plant be washed and than refilled.

      Washing the various trash out of the bottles and sterilizing them for re-use is actually very water and energy intensive. If you have abundant water and cheap energy then sure, ditch the plastic. I'm not sure that applies to most places, which is why we switched from glass in the first place.

      • Norway has abundance of water (and until now; also electricity), and we switched from glass to plastic for "the environment". Something about glass being heavier and require more fuel to transport, and we'd recycle all the plastic bottles, of course! :)

        But we're quite close on the recycle promise, supposedly: https://www.sciencealert.com/n... [sciencealert.com]

    • Flying people for a face to face meeting has nothing to do with the technical solution. Inter-government treaties do not give a shit about your ability to use teams or digitally sign a PDF.

      You're conflating two different things.

      • Flying people for a face to face meeting has nothing to do with the technical solution. Inter-government treaties do not give a shit about your ability to use teams or digitally sign a PDF.

        It certainly goes to both the competence and the sincerity of those doing the negotiating. "Do as I say not as I do" will not actually endear you to most people.

  • I find it interesting that China, and others including America, wants the paris approach, when China alone accounts for more than 50% of the plastic pollution in the oceans.
    I have said it many times concerning governments and politics, that governments esp. China, will NOT take responsibility for their actions and clean up.
    They will all give promises/sign treaties, and many will dance around the needed solution. CHina in particular does not dance, but just out and out lies and continues on their merry w
    • The Philippines produces the most ocean plastic by far with India 2nd, Malaysia 3rd, China 4th

      In 2010, China produced the largest quantity of plastic at 59.08 million tons of plastic waste, nearly double that of the next-highest producer (the United States at 37.83 million tons). However, the country took decisive action to curb the creation of plastic waste, vowing to ban single-use, non-degradable bags in all major cities by the end of 2020 and in all cities and towns by 2022. Single-use plastic straws we

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      China is the only country to have met, and in fact greatly exceeded, their Paris climate goals. China is about 5 years ahead of where it agreed to be, with emissions due to peak around 2025 instead of 2030.

      China has also instigated many environmental improvement projects, cleaning up rivers and preventing waste being dumped.

      It's everyone else that is failing to take responsibility.

      • But they're still building coal-fired power plants all over the world and have no qualms whatsoever about lying their asses off about any other numbers, so why believe their claims?
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          It's difficult to lie about emissions because they can be detected from space, and in neighbouring countries, and by people on the ground.

          If you want to verify things like air quality numbers, just get yourself a tourist visa and head over there.

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