All Passengers on Japan Airlines Jet Evacuated After Plane Collision (wsj.com) 41
A Japan Coast Guard plane and a Japan Airlines passenger jet collided at Tokyo's Haneda Airport but all 379 people on board the passenger jet were able to escape, Japan Airlines said. From a report: Five of the six people aboard the Coast Guard plane died in the crash, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said. He said they were planning to deliver relief supplies to people affected by an earthquake on the Japan Sea coast on New Year's Day. Passengers in local television interviews said they saw a fire on the side of the Japan Airlines plane after it landed and were guided by cabin attendants to evacuate via escape chutes.
Interesting to watch the change (Score:1)
Used to be news media that broke the story.
Nowadays, news media is late and runs editorials, twitter offers raw video footage from multiple perspectives on what happened within an hour or two.
Re: Interesting to watch the change (Score:2, Funny)
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Yep, live broadcasting is definitely improving.
I saw a video of some Indian guy the other day, who was apparently streaming from a plane that crashed. The footage ran past the very end, as the phone survived a bit longer than most passengers.
Imagine when they fit a LLM and miniature legs on these things...
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This sort of fuckery is pretty common in automotive world. Quite a few of the wannabe influencers recording themselves doing stupid shit behind the wheel, and then everything goes flying.
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At least the wannabees "plan for it" and are "in control" when they crash, so they die or get badly injured doing what they "love", this guy, he was just a passenger.
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Oh a lot of the wannabees don't and are in fact passengers. Often distracting the driver enough to cause a crash. Or more stupid shit like leaning half a metre out of the window and encountering a light pole with their skull at speed. I really recommend telegram automotive accident channels, biggest one probably being ru_chp. They have an absolute shit ton of the idiots who genuinely believe doing stupid shit won't result in them winning darwin awards.
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the ru_chp shit I've seen is mostly idiots in unplanned accidents, I'll keep an eye for the idiots in pre-planned ones, thanks.
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They have everything. Follow them long enough (and understand the tagging system) and you can choose your poison.
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worse than that.
Legacy media just issue press releases straight from terrorists without questioning.
Remember the "Israel missile strike on a hospital killing hundreds of people". That anyone on Twitter already knew was a misfired Hamas rocket.
Just the other day we had "Ukraine bombs Belgorod" when it turned out a Russian missile misfired again.
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Slashdot has a long history of covering a wide variety of plane crashes which have all generated interesting technical discussions as to how and why. A sizable number of Slashdotters *ARE* nerds that play FlightSim making it directly relevant to the people here.
Re: Interesting to watch the change (Score:2)
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Try watching the BBC [bbc.co.uk] this story was reported here as it was unfolding.
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Try following telegram collation channels on twitter. They were pushing videos of it happening as it was unfolding.
Why we get plane evacuations right these days (Score:5, Insightful)
As a resident of Manchester whose airport disaster taught us how to get people out of burning aircraft, let's remember those who died in the incident and the work of many since to learn the lessons of the disaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Why we get plane evacuations right these days (Score:4, Insightful)
As a resident of Manchester whose airport disaster taught us how to get people out of burning aircraft, let's remember those who died in the incident and the work of many since to learn the lessons of the disaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I think the lack of fatalities is largely a function of where it happened.
Japanese people don't easily panic and follow instructions in a calm and efficient manner. A far cry from what would happen in any UK or US airport where people would be grabbing their bags, arguing about removing their high heels before jumping on the slide and stopping to film the entire thing for Likes. If you see the footage from the evacuation of BA flight 2276 (Las Vegas, 2015) you see a few people carrying hand baggage and this was largely before the explosion of TikTok and Instagram.
If COVID taught us nothing else it's that we're terrible at handling anything remotely upsetting or acting in a rational manner.
An aircraft's exit limit is defined as "the ability to evacuate the aircraft in 90 seconds", for the Airbus A350-900 (the aircraft type that JAL was flying) is 440, even in Japan it's a minor miracle that they got all 379 off (which would have included around 12 crew) without a fatality. I've read they were only able to use 3 evacuation doors as the engine was still running so they couldn't use the rear door. The crew did a bloody good job.
BTW, the 1985 Manchester incident was a B737-200 with 137 aboard which would have been pretty close to capacity, 54 died on scene and 1 later in hospital.
Nah: read up about Manchester (Score:3)
From the Wikipedia article:
'An aviation analyst said the accident was "a defining moment in the history of civil aviation" because it brought about industry-wide changes to the seating layout near emergency exits, fire-resistant seat covers, floor lighting, fire-resistant wall and ceiling panels, more fire extinguishers and clearer evacuation rules.'
Before 1985 these things had not been considered.
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More to your point, today the exits at the rear and middle of the plane on both sides failed and everyone evacuated out of the front two sides.
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I've seen reports saying the other chutes weren't used since the crew saw where the fire was developing and chose not to activate them.
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I think it was earlier than that. Remember Saudia Flight 163 from 1980, where an L-1011 had a fire in the cargo hold start after takeoff from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, made an emergency landing back at the airport, and the flight crew then did a lot of erroneous things that made the situation worse? With the result that 301 people on the plane died when it could have been less than half that had the plane made an immediate stop after landing and the cabin crew immediately start emergency egress procedures? That
Interesting, thank you (Score:2)
The Saudi disaster seems to have corrected pilot behaviour when a problem arises. Manchester led to the addressing of what happens during evacuation and the issue of fire resistant cabin materials. Getting both right seems to have led to the present massive improvement compared to those outcomes.
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Keeping ill maintained planes in the sky is improving safety ?
Re: Great job! (Score:2)
OP might be referring to Aeroflot's accident record [wikipedia.org].
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Yes.
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>> Did the plane contain any famous nerds or tech people?
"News FOR Nerds" is not "News OF Nerds"
Tech success story. (Score:3)
For sure. The impressive lowering of accident stats based on excellent use of experience is a tech success story for sure.
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Definitely. However, I was disappointed to find that this is just a report on the survivors and not at all an explanation of how they think the incident happened. The technical details of airline safety and what can go wrong is absolutely news for nerds. The fact that all passengers survived on the one plane is still stuff that matters.
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Which, on that front, appears to be that the passenger plane landed and thought the runway was clear but then they struck the coast guard plane and their own plane erupted in a fireball. They still managed to stop and get the passengers off. No explanation on why they got clearance to land there and why nobody was aware of this other craft on the ground.
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Do not worry, the passengers were not evacuated. (Score:2)
Apparently the Slashdot editors never saw this clip from The Wire [youtube.com].
Other runway incursion accidents (Score:2)
For anyone curious here are some previous examples of runway incursions:
Most infamous US one. Landed on a plane waiting to take off at LAX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]