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Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing Supplier Spirit AeroSystems Has Died (seattletimes.com) 174

Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection. Seattle Times: Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle. He died after two weeks in critical condition, his aunt Carol Parsons said. Dean had given a deposition in a Spirit shareholder lawsuit and also filed a complaint with the Federal Aviation Administration alleging "serious and gross misconduct by senior quality management of the 737 production line" at Spirit.

Spirit fired Dean in April 2023, and he had filed a complaint with the Department of Labor alleging his termination was in retaliation for raising concerns related to aviation safety. Parsons said Dean became ill and went to the hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA. His condition deteriorated rapidly, and he was airlifted from Wichita to a hospital in Oklahoma City, Parsons said. There he was put on an ECMO machine, which circulates and oxygenates a patient's blood outside the body, taking over heart and lung function when a patient's organs don't work on their own.

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Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing Supplier Spirit AeroSystems Has Died

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  • by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:06AM (#64442058) Journal

    Whoever finds this questionable will be labelled a conspiracy nut, Boeing will pay some slap on the wrist fines and no C-level at that company will be worse for wear.

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      I agree it looks bad. Given the MIC and deep state ties here where Boeing is concerned; I have no difficulty believing that anything *could* be possible.

      However what *should* happen absent any evidence whatsoever this wasn't a freak medical condition?

      Remember every event is coincident with some other event if you don't restrict the topics of the other event or allow enough time. Should we blow a bunch of tax dollars launching investigations into people who might want Boeing's critics silenced? Where do we

      • by inking ( 2869053 )
        Conspiracy theories generally only work when they are vague enough about who did it, how they did it, and exactly why they did it. Mysterious groups, such as the MIC, the CIA, people with monetary interests and so on are a lot more ominous than Bob Boberson, CFO, who is putting out contracts on whistleblowers via a network of international assassins that he became a part of while auditing financial statements for U.S. GAAP compliance.
        • > Bob Boberson, CFO, who is putting out contracts on whistleblowers via a network of international
          > assassins that he became a part of while auditing financial statements for U.S. GAAP compliance.

          By far the craziest example of this happening is when Atari execs parachuted in from Warner HQ were sent to the far east to set up their production lines circa 1983 and tried to hire people to push their co-execs into traffic/light rail.

          God knows if that really happened, but it seems a *lot* more specific tha

      • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @01:33PM (#64442770)

        I've had MRSA in my forties. I was lucky, my primary care provider caught it before it had gotten bad enough to require hospitalization, strong, STRONG antibiotics took care of it. When I had it, it manifested in a fashion that I thought was allergies, mostly localized swelling. I ended up trying to treat with antihistamines but that didn't accomplish anything. As it got worse I went in and was immediately sampled for testing and started on both oral and topical antibiotics.

        So yeah, it can happen naturally to someone that's otherwise healthy and doesn't have a history of this sort of infection. The trouble is, it's not especially common either, so when the second whistleblower dies during a short span of months once investigators are actually paying attention, it's not something that should be ignored. Unfortunately given the budget that Boeing and its rich execs and board members have, it would probably be trivial to find a way to pay an assailant to do something to whistleblowers that doesn't easily tie back to them so long as they're not stupid about how they transfer funds.

        • Same here. A few days before my 40th, I thought I had torn a leg muscle, as did 3 doctors over 5 days. It was a physiotherapist that finally said it wasn't what everyone thought it was. Ended up in hospital for an operation to remove a litre of pus, and then 2 weeks on a drip to be dosed with Vancomycin (as the doctor somewhat ominously put it 'the antibiotic of last resort.')

          It was my 40th birthday when they cut me open. When asked how I celebrated my 40th, I told them I had a night at the theatre.

          So yes,

      • by cusco ( 717999 )

        Out of less than a dozen Boeing whistleblowers two have died within a couple of months. Too many suspects though to be worth following without some definitive link between the two.

        "Coincidence is the rarest beast, and its tracks look like so much else." - Illisidi in the 'Foreigner' series

      • Boeing is 0.23% of the S&P500. It moves more than that on most trading day. If they went bankrupt, it wouldn't even be noticed by index fund investors.

        An active fund overweight on Boeing should get a new manager. The writing has been on the wall for a while. They are on the decline. They will not be allowed to outright fail, but their shareholders could still be wiped out, like GM's.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      The way he died is not really the way someone killed dies. It's very, very difficult to intentionally cause the series of events he died of.

      And considering that three letter agencies actually need Boeing to get healthy again, since it's a critical part of American military industrial complex, it would not make much sense for them to participate in this mess on the side of Boeing too much.

      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        It's a plausible deniability death.

        So now there are two down, one from alleged suicide, one from MRSA.

        If there's a third then it's becoming suspicious.

        I don't expect that it's the three letter agencies directly - but that doesn't rule out individuals within them that getting money under the table.

        After all - a lot of this is about big money.

      • Assuming he really died that way. I mean if you're going to have a conspiracy to assassinate a whistle blower, it wouldn't be that hard to get the medical examiner in on it. Especially if you threatened to assassinate them if they don't comply. I am not saying this is a conspiracy. I am generally very skeptical of conspiracies. But I admit that such coincidences should raise suspicion.
      • The way he died is not really the way someone killed dies. It's very, very difficult to intentionally cause the series of events he died of.

        Granted, though it really depends on why he was initially "having trouble breathing" -- I don't think TFA/S elaborates on the reason. The actual sequence of events that lead to his death would be hard to control, but not necessarily predict. It depends on how much any perpetrators knew about him and how thoroughly /permanently they wanted to shut him up. In any case, it would have been much easier, but *way* more suspicious, to simply run him off the road in the middle of the night, like with Karen Silk [wikipedia.org]

    • And anyone who inquires about objective evidence of foul play will be labeled sheep.
    • by ahoffer0 ( 1372847 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:33AM (#64442160)

      I was about his age, and in good health when I almost died of pneumonia last year. I spent 10 days in the hospital. If I had the bad luck to get MRSA as well, ....

      Sometimes bad things just happen. Unless they discover polonium in his system, I don't see any reason to suspect foul play

      • by rahmrh ( 939610 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:51AM (#64442226)

        Everyone seems to think death is more rare than it is, so they assume it must be abnormal.

        Just about everyone is one bad (common) event away from death. Pneumonia is pretty common and as you said add in any complication and you are in big trouble.

        The big question is how many people that could be called whistleblowers are there. If there are 2 and both died, that looks wrong, but I suspect that there are likely quite a number of them and 2 of a hundred or more dying over a few months is not that far off the expected death rates.

        • > Just about everyone is one bad (common) event away from death.

          Not *just* about everyone, *everyone* is one event away from death. That event being death, which doesn't require any badness and still occurs.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          But death to TWO whistleblowers is a bit rarer when seemingly due to somewhat rare events.

          • by rahmrh ( 939610 )

            it depends on how many whistleblower there are in those companies that can be called whistleblowers. There are unlikely to be only 2. if there are 100's that could be classified as that, then 2 dying is not rare. And whistleblowers include a lot of people fired by the company in the past few years.
            Around age 45 about 1 in 250 people are expected to die per year from any cause (according to cdc tables). If there are 250+ that can be called whistleblowers(complained and fired/left/stillworking in the

            • And do we know what the number of Boeing whistle-blowers actually is ?
              It certainly looks suspicious if it is a low number. The conspiracy theorists may or may not be right about these deaths being related to some criminal action and not just natural causes. It's going to be hard getting ahold of the evidence.

              3 nuclear physicists died of pancreatic cancer in a lab of 20. All died in the same hospital. My father was one of them . Pancreatic cancer affects 1 in 10000 on average so this way way off statisticall

        • by tomz16 ( 992375 )

          Pneumonia is pretty common

          Fatal cases among nursing home patients with HIV.... yeah... Fatal cases among healthy 45-year-olds who proactively check themselves into a hospital? Not really.

          hundred or more dying over a few months

          Hundreds of healthy 45-year-olds die of pneumonia + MRSA in US hospitals every "few months"?!? We're gonna need to see a source for such a claim.

          • by rahmrh ( 939610 )

            Not from that specific cause. 100's of 40-50 year olds in good health dying from various illnesses.

          • Fatal cases among nursing home patients with HIV.... yeah... Fatal cases among healthy 45-year-olds who proactively check themselves into a hospital? Not really.

            It's not proactively checking yourself into the hospital if you have been sick for 2 weeks, and go in "once you can't breathe".
            Stop making shit up.

        • Pissing off the people who run Boeing seems to be a pretty bad event. It's possibly becoming a lot more common as well.

          As the saying goes, once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, but three times is enemy action.
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          It's more about the fact that Boeing C levels don't seem to care at all about human lives, and are more than willing to sacrifice them to lock in next quarters' bonus. Passenger, whistleblower, what about my god damn 3rd yacht??

      • I don't see any reason to suspect foul play

        There's definitely reason to suspect foul play. There's no reason to conclude foul play. And there isn't much that could be investigated, so the suspicion will only bear fruit in the form of articles like this one, and comments like this one.

    • Except there was no gain by killing him now, he already had his accounts written up, so he wan't needed for any further matters. If agencies were behind it, they would have done it before he did his disposition.
      • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @12:38PM (#64442606)

        Except there was no gain by killing him now, he already had his accounts written up, so he wan't needed for any further matters. If agencies were behind it, they would have done it before he did his disposition.

        If I put on my conspiracy theorist hat - the one that fits a little too comfortably - I can see in this a warning to other whistleblowers. Granted, correlation does not equal causation, and murder by infection seems a bit of a stretch, at least in this case. But I'm willing to bet that a fair few other whistleblowers aren't looking at it that way. I'm sure some of them are reconsidering their next steps, now that two of their fellows have died under questionable circumstances.

    • Whoever finds this questionable will be labelled a conspiracy nut, Boeing will pay some slap on the wrist fines and no C-level at that company will be worse for wear.

      Some context [theloadstar.com]:

      Aside from Mr Barnett and Mr Dean, there are some 30 Boeing whistleblowers

      Still unusual, but 2 deaths among 30 middle aged plus folks isn't super unusual. Especially when you're putting them in really high stress situations like trials and corporate harassment.

      And the first one, committed suicide in a parked car in broad daylight. An insanely (and needlessly) risky and difficult murder to stage.

      And the second one, what? They gave him an infection and then waited for two weeks while he was hosp

    • Whoever finds this questionable will be labelled a conspiracy nut, Boeing will pay some slap on the wrist fines and no C-level at that company will be worse for wear.

      Having a second whistleblower die in two months is suspect no matter the circumstances. If it's coincidence, it's fifth-level bad writing coincidence. Which would be par for the course in this reality.

    • If you find this questionable, you're a conspiracy nut.
      Dude died of pneumonia, as a complication of Influenza, which notably makes you far more susceptible to any additional infections- in this case, MRSA.
      Dude was sick for 2 weeks, and rolled into the hospital as he was fucking dying.

      Worse, dude is described as a "health nut" who "never goes to the doctor, because he doesn't need to", making this squarely a case of: "Dude who never goes to the doctor dies from never going to the doctor."
  • by 45mm ( 970995 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:06AM (#64442064)

    At least it's not the usual cause of death - "suicide, two bullets to back of head".

  • In Related News (Score:2, Informative)

    by JBMcB ( 73720 )
    • That's a lot of coincidence.
      At 50, I don't know anybody that die by suicide or in a crash or car accident, but then I live in Canada.

      • At 50, I don't know anybody that die by suicide or in a crash or car accident, but then I live in Canada.

        I do, indirectly.
        And I'm younger than 50, from a much smaller and far warmer and less snowed-over country than Canada.

        Further, back a decade or so ago I was commuting for work to a town about an hour away from where I live.
        Every single morning there was at least one fresh car accident along the way, with the car usually flipped onto its roof at the side of the road.
        Those were most certainly not all deaths, but the chances increase through repetition.

        Also, as a Canadian, you're in a below-average group even

      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        You probably are not a professional socialite either. Knowing lots of people is part of their jobs.
  • Another dead Boeing whistleblower? I don't believe in coincidences.

    • by ve3oat ( 884827 )
      Just a coincidence. In early April there was a New Moon, when the moon, in it's regular orbit, was located roughly between the earth and the sun. Around the same time, parts of the northeastern USA and parts of southeastern Canada experienced almost total darkness in the middle of the day. Just another coincidence.
    • Another dead Boeing whistleblower? I don't believe in coincidences.

      You don't need to believe in them. They are a statistical certainty. Any university statistics class will teach you that a coincidence is inevitable, and quite mundane. The only thing that makes them interesting or rare is the mental process applied to assuming they have a singular cause.

      In any case it really doesn't pass the smell test for a conspiracy. Why would Boeing kill people *after* they gave evidence. It's all the risk of getting caught without any of the reward of the assassination.

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      Doesnt believe in coincidences... give me a break, you encounter them ever day.

      Clearly I've spotted the conspiracy theory nut.

  • He saw it coming... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by maple_shaft ( 1046302 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:10AM (#64442084)
    Shame on the editor for leaving out the most important piece of information on this story. Before his death, he literally went on a local affiliate news station and stated that if he were to die in the recent months that we should expect he was assassinated. He was warning us.
    • This really isn't relevant, since the whistleblower was not also a psychic. If someone publicly states: "if I die, it will not be by suicide," then at least they have special insight into the likelihood of the event. But when they publicly state "Nothing in the world will kill me unless it's the minions if Boeing", they lack that insight.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by buck-yar ( 164658 )
        Stress has been shown to wreck the immune system, hard to see how it couldn't be a factor.
    • Damn, this got modded 'interesting'? Of course every whistle blower thinks they are going to be assassinated, but that doesn't mean they are right just because they died of SOMETHING. Also, if he were to 'die in the recent months', that would mean he was already dead when he made the statement, soooooo......
    • Shame on the editor for leaving out the most important piece of information on this story. Before his death, he literally went on a local affiliate news station and stated that if he were to die in the recent months that we should expect he was assassinated. He was warning us.

      Why? I mean he's already testified. What benefit does anyone get in assassinating him. Him having a poor judgement of risk or being a conspiracy theorist is quite irrelevant to his death.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Why? I mean he's already testified. What benefit does anyone get in assassinating him. Him having a poor judgement of risk or being a conspiracy theorist is quite irrelevant to his death.

        It sends the message of "snitches get stitches". It's why the Witness Protection Program exists.

        The guy may have testified already, but his death may make others who have corroborating testimony more reluctant to appear lest they get "disappeared".

        Of course, if this was China, he would've been killed and no one would notice

    • why would they bother? he no longer works for them, the fault he reported on had been acknowledged as a fault by Boeing and Spirit and he was fired for missing another fault. why would they suddenly be targeting him a year later?
  • by NoMoreACs ( 6161580 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:13AM (#64442102)

    Getting a bit spooky. . .

    https://time.com/6900123/boein... [time.com]

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      If there's a third one then it's starting to smell.

      • If there's a third one then it's starting to smell.

        I think it's quite pungent at two.

    • The next whistle blower will prolly get caught in bed with a dead woman or a live man.
      • The next whistle blower will prolly get caught in bed with a dead woman or a live man.

        I love that movie!

  • A second Boeing whistle-blower dying is quite a coincidence! I believe it probably is a coincidence, but wouldn't at all be surprised if it wasn't.

    I am quite sure that certain people have enough of a monetary interest in these affairs to be completely okay if someone took care of the trouble-makers. While we often are tempted to think such things only happen in faraway dictatorships, they certain do happen here.

    • We know that India has assassinated people on US soil. We never thought that would happen. Those assassins need to eat which means their services are definitely available to domestic customers.
  • "Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences."

  • by nomadic ( 141991 )

    The problem with the conspiracy theories for both whistleblowers is that in both cases they actually disclosed the damaging information already.

    • by XanC ( 644172 )

      Potentially it could keep others from doing similar things.

    • by jd ( 1658 )

      They'd disclosed it but the first one hadn't finished testifying under oath about it. And that matters. The latter has status as evidence in court.

    • They stated an intention to testify. They had not yet done so, and the last guy was actually on his way to his deposition the morning he 'suicided'.
      Which after months, is still an ongoing, active investigation. So the detectives involved obviously suspect more than a simple self-inflicted wound.

      • They stated an intention to testify. They had not yet done so, and the last guy was actually on his way to his deposition the morning he 'suicided'.
        Which after months, is still an ongoing, active investigation. So the detectives involved obviously suspect more than a simple self-inflicted wound.

        He was on his way to the third day of his Deposition. He had already had two days of Depo.

        Still smells, though.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Which, like other facts, is not important for the conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are all about making comforting patterns from random noise, and it is REALLY hard to go up against something that makes people feel better.

      The idea that shadowy corperations might kill you for being important feels so much better then the reality : that these big high profile stories don't actually matter to these people.
      But we want them to care, we want them to care as much as we do about stories like this.. and the
  • and this is part of some coordinated cover up it also really drives home the point of the bad Boeing management. It takes a lot of effort, risk and usually money to carry out hits on people. Imagine if they had used that cunning and planning to just fix your manufacturing problems.

    Conspiracy or not I really get the feeling that even more horror stories about the state Boeing is in are going to come to light over the next 2-3 months. I think even the bad things we have heard so far while already more than

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Conspiracy or not I really get the feeling that even more horror stories about the state Boeing is in are going to come to light over the next 2-3 months. I think even the bad things we have heard so far while already more than enough to take action, are really just breaking the surface.

      Same here. They are obviously unable to fix their problems in any reasonable time-frame. For things to go this badly wrong as with the door, a lot of things need to be screwed up. For the door it was one incompetent installation and two missing checks. (I assume that when you check for correct bolt installation, you cannot be incompetent enough to mistake a missing bolt for an installed one...) That is three different people or teams screwing up really badly. It is quite likely that there is a lot more bein

    • It takes a lot of effort, risk and usually money to carry out hits on people. Imagine if they had used that cunning and planning to just fix your manufacturing problems.

      I'm pretty sure the money for such hits is small potatoes, compared with the cost savings and profit increases that resulted from them NOT fixing their manufacturing problems.

  • by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @11:12AM (#64442298)
    The unspoken message is clear, stand up against our corporate masters and die. This is the 2nd "sudden" death of a whistle blower in 2 months. John Barnett was found dead on March 9th THE DAY BEFORE he was scheduled to testify against Boeing. https://www.bbc.com/news/busin... [bbc.com] . Mr. Barnett's death was ruled a "suicide" - meaning authorities are in complete coercement with our corporate masters. We are surfs. We are owned. We have the illusion of freedom. the choice of 50 different soft drinks is not freedom. Dems and GOP are lock step in their worship at the alter of corporate dollars. Both owned by our corporate masters, passing laws to enrich the oligarchs at our expense.
    • We truly are serfs.

    • his is the 2nd "sudden" death of a whistle blower in 2 months.

      Sudden? It took the guy like two weeks to slowly die from his infection.

      John Barnett was found dead on March 9th THE DAY BEFORE he was scheduled to testify against Boeing

      No, he had already given a few days of testimony prior to his suicide, and had been going on record about Boeing's issues since way back in 2019.

      • um, sorry corporate stooge..... "Dean rapidly went from healthy to being hospitalized"
        "The doctor said he'd never seen anything like it before in his life. His lungs were just totally ... gummed up, and like a mesh over them."
        https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02... [npr.org]
        Corporations part of the military industrial complex have access to "tools" not available to anyone else. Just ask the Putin critics.. on, sorry, you can't,.they're dead. https://www.newsweek.com/putin... [newsweek.com]
        • I'll see your 'corporate stooge' insult and raise you a 'your reading comprehension sucks' insult:

          Dean started feeling sick around two weeks ago, his mother, Virginia Green, told NPR. He stayed home from work for a couple days, but things got worse.

          And just because a particular doctor had 'never seen anything like it before' doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that HE had never witnessed it. But nice try making it seem like it was some crazy, once-in-a-lifetime illness. Oh, and the doctor himself wasn't quoted saying that anyways, it was second-hand info from his mother.

  • Conspiracy or not (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BytePusher ( 209961 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @11:50AM (#64442426) Homepage
    Conspiracy or not, the fact that everyone's first reaction is that he was murdered points to a truth: We all know that the ruling class doesn't value human life, at all and will use any and all means necessary to protect their positions and corruption. This is true Capitalism, where human life has a price tag.
    • Non sequitur. The fact that everyone has a first reaction doesn't point to anything about the ruling class. It only points to people's perception of them, nothing more nothing less.

  • We've been warned about overuse of antibiotics and MRSA. It's like every other year papers get published about how MRSA and other antibiotic resistant things should present this existential fear to humanity.

    NOPE, clearly we're going to go with conspiracy I guess. I guess we'll worry about all those warnings about antibiotic resistance when it blows up in our face. Sort like all those warnings about expanding without care into uninhabited lands and how it could trigger a pandemic.

    You know it's whatever.

  • by YetAnotherDrew ( 664604 ) on Thursday May 02, 2024 @12:48PM (#64442634)
    Boeing whistleblower death seems contagious. I've heard it's man made, but that's just a conspiracy theory. It's really from a wet market!
  • Gee, what a coincidence!

  • âoeOnce is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy actionâ
  • So what is going to happen when the 3rd whistleblower also loses their life to something unexpected?

    #BoeingWhistleBlowerBingoCard

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