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There's a Program to Cancel Some Private US Student Loans. Most Don't Know About It. (yahoo.com) 50

The New York Times reports on a program to forgive U.S. student loans from private lenders — a kind of private parallel to a federal program which "allows those who were seriously misled by their schools to have their federal student loans eliminated."

The problem? Eight U.S. senators complain the loan discharge process remains "burdensome and confusing" — and most students don't even know it exists. Navient, a large owner of private student loan debt, has created, but not publicized, a program that allows borrowers to apply to have their loans forgiven.... A nonprofit group of lawyers has stepped in ease the process: On Thursday, the Project on Predatory Student Lending, an advocacy group in Boston, published Navient's application form and an instruction guide for borrowers with private loans who are seeking relief on the grounds that their school lied to them...

For nearly a decade, in the early 2000s, Navient — then known as Sallie Mae — struck deals with for-profit schools to issue private loans to their students. Lawsuits from state attorneys general later accused Navient of making those loans knowing that most would never be repaid. Many schools indemnified Navient for the private loans, agreeing to defray the company's loss if the loans defaulted. In 2022, Navient settled with 40 state attorneys general and canceled $1.7 billion in debt on those private loans — but only for borrowers who had already defaulted. Because those debts were unlikely to ever be repaid, the deal cost Navient only $50 million, the company said in regulatory filings. Borrowers who had kept paying their bills... remained stuck.

But a pressure campaign from lawmakers, federal regulators and lawyers representing borrowers prompted the company to create the "school misconduct discharge." Navient began sending a 12-page application form this year to some borrowers who complained about their private loans. The document lists dozens of types of impropriety by schools — such as inflating job placement rates and graduates' earnings, or misrepresenting their educational programs — and asks borrowers to choose which apply to their experience. Applicants are required to submit documentation for their claims...

[Navient's CEO, David Yowan] told investors on a conference call in January that Navient had put $35 million in reserve for losses on school misconduct claims. He cited "new regulatory expectations" as the reason. Navient has not disclosed how much of its $16.6 billion private student loan portfolio consists of loans that could be eligible for the debt cancellation program.

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There's a Program to Cancel Some Private US Student Loans. Most Don't Know About It.

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  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:38AM (#64517501)

    The American taxpayers that didn't take out the loans will have to pay for it.

    This is Biden trying to buy votes

    • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:54AM (#64517521)

      How are taxpayers on the hook for any of these loans? These people are not being given money.

      This is different than all those PPP loans elected officials had forgiven [cbsnews.com]. The taxpayers were definitely on the hook for those hundreds of billions of dollars. And that was on top of all the fraud in the program.

      And let us not forget the $2.2 trillion in covid money which was spent without any oversight of where it went [reuters.com]. This from the same guy who is a convicted felon for fraud. Funny how the two match up.

      • The PPP loans were really a runaround the constitution (takings clause). Basically a government cannot mandate shutdown of your business or put you out of a job (takings) without just compensation. The PPP basically gave businesses loans so the state would not have to pay unemployment during temporary shutdowns, it was a huge success and most of the loans were paid back without the state requiring to dole out welfare (which wouldâ(TM)ve been bankrupted in days since it was never designed for 100% unemp

        • Basically a government cannot mandate shutdown of your business or put you out of a job (takings) without just compensation.

          This would come as a surprise to health departments across the county.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by drake3d ( 1053628 )
      This has nothing to do with the government held loans, this is all privately owned loans through a private bank. This has been available for people since the early 2000's. Money was set aside to cover loans paid out too 'bad' schools, you know the predatory ones who advertised all these great degrees and failed to actually do any educating. Kinda like Trump University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], as well as many more fraudulently hawking degrees. Student loan debt's should be treated like any other de
      • > the predatory ones who advertised all these great degrees and failed to actually do any educating.

        There are some fancy nameplate schools (including my alma mater) that also sold worthless (unemployable) that should get normal treatment under the Warrant Act (merchantability fitness).

        The mechanism is easy - take the loan amount that was applied to worthless degrees and deduct them from the new loan amount transfers to these universities.

        It's far less complex to calculate than the Income Tax system.

        The s

      • by Anonymous Coward
        Trump University did not facilitate or take student loans. All it did was offer non-credit courses in things like real estate. Was it completely useless? Yeah sure okay but it has literally nothing to do with student loans. Do you realize how stupid you sound when you lack facts and just go to "hurr durr Trump bad" as a default? You know you could use Google to find a few examples of actual colleges where the student loans were forgiven if you actually cared to learn things? What does spewing ignorance actu
        • His "University" fraudulently took people's money, $35k, by misleading people to take real estate courses that were basically of no value. Whether people took student loans to pay for them, I do not know, but it is no better than what others did to people. Yes, I could have looked at other schools who frauded people. Bottom line, many so called schools have scammed many people and they should have options on getting relief. This fund was setup my Sally Mae for that reason but never really published or adver
          • How is that any different than most liberal arts degrees? At least real estate has a potential job in it. I donâ(TM)t see a problem as long as the government and by extension taxpayer doesnâ(TM)t have to pay for your dumb decisions.

    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:32AM (#64517555)

      Corporate welfare? That’s just fine, how big of a check do you need?

      People are struggling? Fuck those lazy bums maybe they should stop being poor.

    • And also rewarding literal bank robbers.

    • by Berkyjay ( 1225604 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @12:20PM (#64517635)

      Big deal. At least someone is pandering to normal American citizens for once rather than just throwing tax breaks and subsidies to corporations.

    • My favorite part is how you don't understand the difference between public and private.
  • You know, I went to an expensive school. Some of it was covered by "need-based aid" (thanks, classmates whose parents paid full price), much of it was covered by Mom and Dad, who borrowed some it and paid it off (thank you, Mom and Dad), and the rest was covered by me, when I took out a few thousand in loans to pay for a summer term so I could get my second (non-bullshit) major finished up in four years, which I paid off in full as soon as I graduated and got a job (thanks, Younger Me!).

    You know what didn't

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by markdavis ( 642305 )

      >"I didn't bumb around in bullshit oppression studies majors like my family had money to burn"

      That is one of the things that really, really irritates me. It would be one thing if your family had tons of money and everything was private-pay. Fine, get whatever degree in whatever ridiculous major you want, you are likely to do well, regardless. But when it is tax money or other borrowers footing the failure bills for these nonsense studies, that is a different matter, entirely.

      The days of "just get a de

      • Go look up the statistics on degrees awarded by Major. They're widely available and meticulously tracked.

        What you going to find is about 70% of them are STEM or law and you've got another 29% that are either business or marketing degrees or teaching degrees.

        The kind of degrees you are railing against or less than 1% and most of those are various forms of racial studies degrees. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in a country like America we could probably use more people studying the eff
        • They are not at all 1%. They are about 10% of what people GRADUATE in, but they are not what people spend their student loans on. Almost 30% of all University courses have them as people too dumb/lazy start in STEM or law and instead of dropping out, they switch majors multiple times. The primary problem is the banks have no incentive, because the federal government backstops the loan anyway. If you were to loan money to start a business, the bank would want to make sure you have a chance of completing what

          • shows how weak the argument against education really is.

            I mean, you're literally arguing against education though....

            That said I think you're just baiting the mods because points are limited on /.
      • This kind of thinking is why the discipline of History is withering on the vine in this country. The fact is, we need people whose degrees aren't as profitable, and the fact that they're not as profitable is exactly why federal aid shouldn't be denied to students going into those fields. The profitable degrees will always have takers.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Cool story grandpa. Run your figures through the inflation calculator and tell it in 2024 dollars.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:38AM (#64517561)
      Was paid for by the government. Now it's 20%. Fun fact you're in the process of destroying our public education system which is going to destroy the property values in your neighborhood.

      You old farts are pulling the ladder up behind you. The government paid for your college education and now you act like they didn't. And then when somebody points that out you get angry because you like to pretend you hold yourself up by your bootstraps.

      And for those of you rocking high school diplomas the reason the economy was so strong was because massive productivity boosts from college grads kept you going. When you were making the equivalent of $80,000 doing woodworking or some s*** or running your family's business 20 years ago how the hell do you think that was possible?
      • 20 years ago 70% of tuition [was] paid for by the government. Now it's 20%...You old farts are pulling the ladder up behind you. The government paid for your college education and now you act like they didn't

        Your claims didn't have the ring of truth to my ears, so I looked the numbers up.

        Here's what the inflation-adjusted federal spending per student looks like [fee.org]: the graph plainly goes up and to the right (the data source is the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis and the U.S. Department of Education). The only dip of note was when the dotcom bubble burst.

        While it sounds like state-level spending may have dropped after the dotcom bubble burst (Pew suggests in Figure 4 [pewtrusts.org] that it's down about $2500 per student, inflati

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @03:44PM (#64518055)
          By the Dean of Louisiana State University during his interview with John Oliver. I'm pretty damn sure he would know. And all those other classes of government support you're talking about already existed back then and were being used by students to support themselves while in school.

          Like it or not we drastically cut the amount of money we spend sending kids to college right after all us old farts graduated.

          I get that that makes you feel bad and it should. Every single one of us should be ashamed of ourselves for letting that happen. Especially for the stupid reasons we had and still have.
          • If you get your facts from a comedian that canâ(TM)t even support his own figures âoebecause it is a comedy showâ, that demonstrates what is wrong with modern schools.

          • I'm going off numbers shared [by] the Dean of Louisiana State University during his interview with John Oliver... Like it or not we drastically cut the amount of money we spend

            What did the dean actually say? Because you're now making an entirely different assertion than before. The words you just put in their mouth—that spending was drastically cut—are very different than a claim that the percent of tuition covered by the government is down (the latter of which is a affected numerous other factors, most significantly the cost of education). So which is it and do you have a link?

            I'll withhold judgement on the dean until I can review their comments, but the numbers you

            • The dean said exactly that. 70% of funding used to come from the government and now it's 20%. Nothing more nothing less. If those facts make you uncomfortable that's a you problem not a me problem.
      • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:47PM (#64517801) Homepage

        College grads are more productive? Is writing 100 lines of code more important than fixing a broken pipe? That depends on what the code is for, and what the pipe is for.

        It is important to remember that we don't live in Lake Wobegon. More than half of the population has an IQ that is average or less. High quality college programs, i.e., those that actually lead to highly productive work, arguably require above average intelligence.

        The idea that everyone needs to go to college has led to colleges creating, what shall we call them? Less rigorous programs? Did you know that you can get a college degree, from an accredited state school, in floral arrangement? That's not a serious college degree, that's just a way to rake in money.

        • That have the same cost but last longer resulting in fewer broken pipes then yes. That's how progress in science works.

          Also a nuclear power plant can generate more power than a bunch of dudes on a treadmill, who knew?
          • For every one engineer capable of making a better pipe, significantly more English majors* rack up unpayable amounts of debt.

            Arguing in favor of "education" as a catch-all disregards this important distinction. The world *would* be poorer if talented people were denied career opportunities in the technical fields. The world would go right on ticking if the humanities shrunk down to their natural, unsubsidized size.

            *English deparments aren't doing so well these days, but I use "English major" as a catch-all

      • We also switched to a "everyone should go to college!" narrative, which is itself stupid. Some need college, some are better at trades.
        As far as 80K for woodworking, you know that TODAY talented woodworkers make bank.
        I know a guy who just does plumbing for fire control systems, and he makes 150K as an installer. Trades are some good money now.
    • by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @01:21PM (#64517767)
      You suffer from "Defrauded Denial Syndrome", its like Stockholm Syndrome but for people who have been conned and rather admit being conned, assure themselves of the value received from the con. U.S. college revenues are 6X what they were in 1960 (adjusted for inflation) at $933 billion. If we take 5/6 of that we get $772 Billion. This is the fraction of the money that went to something other than educating students. Using the Council of Economic Advisor's $1 billion results in 13,000 jobs metric, that translates to 10 million jobs in the US created using student money in college bureaucracies and the construction industry. The real result of student loans is to fund this shadow jobs program. Your education was the excuse, not the real purpose of all of that money you gave your "institution of higher learning" which is really an "institution of hiring bureaucrats and spending money on construction projects". Tenured teaching faculty are now an odd minority of college employees, they were once the majority of a college's employees. Colleges used to fund-raise from alumni for construction projects and have well publicized thermometer charts showing progress to the goal, now they just tap the funds provided by students.

      Student loans were created by the federal government to make college more accessible. But the government did not attach conditions to these funds. They did not provide a definition of tuition and an overhead rate cap. The result is that colleges like any bureaucracy granted funds without constraints grew like cancers and spent the money in unintended ways. Colleges received the loan money, spent it and raised tuition. The Federal Government raised the amount they would back, so banks lent more. Rinse and repeat for almost six decades and we are where we are now.

      Hate to break it to you, but you didn't really pay for an education. You funded a federal jobs program and as a side-effect of your generous largess got a diploma.

      Caveat: The actual jobs number is likely really somewhere between 3 and 7 million since many of these jobs are higher paying than freeway construction jobs.
  • Slashdot... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kaoshin ( 110328 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @10:50AM (#64517515)
    I liked this site before it turned into CNN.
  • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:05AM (#64517531)

    >"program to forgive U.S. student loans from private lenders â" a kind of private parallel to a federal program"

    Not *as* bad, but still bad. You can bet the burden of that expense will still be heaved onto other borrowers (current or prospective), who will be punished unfairly. Still doesn't have any accountability for bad decisions by the lender, the borrower, or the school that supplied what is often a useless degree and/or to someone who either didn't have the ability or background to complete the chosen degree program.

    Much better would be-

    1) No forgiveness, period, for anyone, by anyone. Lenders have no "guarantee" from anyone that they will be paid back, so lenders will actually start to CARE about who they are lending to and why.

    2) Schools should be held at least partially responsible for their outcomes, so THEY will care about who they are admitting and why and for what. Attach a partial dollar amount refund to those, paid by the school to the lender, for some of the bad outcomes. They can pay for it by eliminating the insane amount of administrative overhead or cutting ridiculous programs. Plus they can dip into their deep endowments.

    3) Better educate prospective college-attenders and their parents, in high school, before decisions and commitments are made. What are the student's strengths, weaknesses, an interests? What are their motivations? What is realistic? What are good and bad outcomes? Do they even need a degree? What other programs are available? What does the labor market look like for the possible programs? It isn't enough that some field might pay more, or the student "likes" that topic.

    4) Create some forms of safety nets for those who still fall through and are genuinely in need. Perhaps cut the interest rate to zero for a period, extend the payment period way out, offer generous "pause" options for legitimate hardship events. Provide relocation service assistance and guidance to place them in a better labor market.

    • In a perfect world. But this is 'merka, GREED FIRST. All other considerations are irrelevant. There is no social contract. Greed and avarice, the stalwarts of 'merkin society (sic).
    • college grads are orders of magnitude more productive.

      There are 2 things on this earth that increase wages without inflation: competition and productivity.

      We gave up on competition. We stopped enforcing anti-trust law in the Reagan administration.

      All we've got left is productivity and now a bunch of old farts want to take even *that* away while bitching about the price of bread... sheesh.

      No more safety net B.S.. Instead of dangling our children over an abyss and using tots & pears to hop
      • >"college grads are orders of magnitude more productive. "

        That is very much debatable, especially when you look at WHICH grads and WHICH careers. It is also difficult to associate cause and effect. Many people who would have been orders of magnitude more productive would have been so, regardless if they were degreed or not; they kinda self-select to be in the group more likely to seek a degree.

        >"Instead of dangling our children over an abyss and using tots & pears to hope the net catches them le

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 02, 2024 @11:39AM (#64517565)
    He didn't have heart medication and so nobody else should have it either. Nothing should ever change and everything should always get worse.

    Of course when I was a kid the government paid 70% of the tuition versus the 20% now and that was perfectly okay for me. Just like how I deserve all the medication I need. Because I earned it.

    Everyone else though they're just scabs. I got mine f*** you.
    • He didn't have heart medication and so nobody else should have it either. Nothing should ever change and everything should always get worse.

      Not quite. In your analogy it would be as if your grandfather promised to pay for heart medication and didn't pay. So instead us taxpayers are paying for it, and now medical companies charge even more and more, because they know the government (and it's almost unlimited bank account) will pay for it no matter what. The end result is that NO ONE IN THE FUTURE CAN AFFORD HEALTH MEDICINE. Your appeal to emotion is what causes this whole mess.

    • by poptix ( 78287 )

      You're a reliable clown.

      People generally don't have a problem with forgiveness when the people responsible are held accountable (predatory loans, diploma mills, gender studies majors).

      People do have a problem when the president starts ruling by executive order to gather votes before the election.

      Next election there's just going to be more kids with worthless degrees and high debt because nothing was actually fixed.

  • You're rooting for the criminals. This is literally a case where people were defrauded by criminals. Also the 150 billion dollars in student loan debt forgiveness Joe Biden did that was Biden stopping criminals too. In every case the terms of the loans had been fulfilled and the loan officers were illegally collecting payments that were not due.

    It's funny how members on the right wing get really cozy with criminals whenever they're hurting people they don't like. I seem to remember there being something
  • My wife went to John Carroll for a teaching degree. She's almost 50 and still paying back student loans because John Carroll is very expensive. I don't expect anyone else to pay for my wife's questionable decision making about cost vs value of the degree. It's your job not the government's to make good decisions and take responsibility for poor choices.
    • I don't expect anyone else to pay for my wife's questionable decision

      What's really insane is that you want your wife to pay the rest of us for her decision. Why not accept some forgiveness to even the scales a little? 25+ years of the government making money on the spread between her loan rate and the bond rate they pay having funded the loan seems more than enough taxpayer profit if you ask me.

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