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New Boeing Whistleblower Warns of Potentially 'Devastating Consequences' From Plane Flaws (gizmodo.com) 38

A former Boeing contractor has filed complaints with federal agencies, alleging safety issues in 787 Dreamliner production and wrongful termination. Richard Cuevas, a veteran mechanic, claims he observed improper drilling of fastener holes in forward pressure bulkheads during his work with Spirit AeroSystems, Boeing's main supplier.

Cuevas warned that these defects could compromise aircraft safety. After reporting concerns to the FAA and his superiors, Cuevas says he was fired. His lawyers have urged investigations into Dreamliner bulkheads and claim unlawful retaliation. Boeing stated they investigated the concerns thoroughly and determined no safety risk.
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New Boeing Whistleblower Warns of Potentially 'Devastating Consequences' From Plane Flaws

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  • O... kay (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bjoast ( 1310293 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @05:57PM (#64583801)
    A company probably shouldn't have a habit of firing people for voicing safety concerns, regardless of merit.
    • Re:O... kay (Score:5, Insightful)

      by zeeky boogy doog ( 8381659 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @05:59PM (#64583811)
      A company run by engineers usually won't.

      One that's been taken over by beancounters who think everything but sales drones is a cost to be hated, on the other hand...
      • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        Boeing starts to remind me of OceanGate.

      • Re:O... kay (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @06:23PM (#64583867)
        Yep. Silicon Graphics rocked when ran by engineers and sucked so bad when ran by ex-Microsoft executives (Rick Belluzo in particular). They failed shortly after hiring that moron. Same situation with HP, IBM, DEC, Intel, GE, Yahoo, and Xerox. I could go on and on.
      • Re:O... kay (Score:5, Informative)

        by hey! ( 33014 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @07:38PM (#64583967) Homepage Journal

        The president of Boeing during arguably it's golden age of engineering -- 1945-1969 -- was a *lawyer*. William Allen had spent fourteen years as corporate counsel when the Boeing chairman,Claire Egtvedt ( who *was* an engineer), asked him to become president. Allen initially refused, because he felt he did know enough to run the company. Think about what that refusal says about that man's character and intellect. Egtvedt kept on him and finally Allen relented, leading Boeing through the transition from piston driven prop planes to jets, starting with the B-47 and B-52 and ending with the 747.

        WIth all the wonderful things about running a business you can learn at a business school, one thing they don't seem to teach is humility. Egtvedt understood that no one person had the breadth of engineering expertise to micromanage everything a company like Boeing did. He needed someone who would respect and listen to the best engineering minds across the company, and it wasn't strictly necessary for someone to be an engineer to do that. A great engineering company needs a really smart leader who doesn't need to be seen as the smartest guy in the room, more than they need a leader with specific technical expertise.

      • Re:O... kay (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Spamalope ( 91802 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @10:48PM (#64584257)
        Beancounters? Douglas vulture capitalists extracting shareholder value to themselves maybe more like?
      • Re: O... kay (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Fons_de_spons ( 1311177 ) on Friday June 28, 2024 @12:05AM (#64584371)
        Hmmm, engineer here, I worked in companies owned by and run by engineers. I'd like to nuance that. We do tend to overthink things. It is in my experience benificial to add some non engineers to keep everything real. The tension needs to be there. To keep us in line. Also... some of us are not good at seeing the whole context and freak out when something is not done beyond perfection. Heard a story from a construction engineer that in rare occasions, the workers grab one of those guys by the feet., hang them upside down over a wall a few floors up and assure him that everything is safe.
    • Re:O... kay (Score:4, Insightful)

      by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @06:13PM (#64583841)
      Well, yeah, that's why you claim that was the cause for your termination. But was it? That's the question. Boeing is easy pickings right now, deservedly so, but it becomes more difficult to sort out once the dogpiling begins.
      • yup will be interesting to see, I am sure a few that actually deserved to get fired will use this type of thing as a mechanism to claim retaliation, after all you only have to have reported 1 safety incident then you can claim that was your reason for being sacked.
    • Re: O... kay (Score:3, Interesting)

      by guruevi ( 827432 )

      Firing? You mean murdering them? The last 2 whistleblowers in this case happened to have some serious fatal accidents. And similar things happened in the last scandal. When you cross the people deeply entrenched in government pork you tend to find yourself on the short end of a pointy stick.

    • A company probably shouldn't have a habit of firing people for voicing safety concerns, regardless of merit.

      You're thinking in terms of logic. Boeing execs think in terms of "how do we profit from this and how do we cover our asses while doing it?" Someone pointed out something that could have a short-term negative impact on the bottom line if it were addressed properly. Throw them out. They have missed the corporate message. That's it. That's the end of it. There's no deeper logic behind it.

      It's a shitty look, but it's not like it's a new one.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Dead in 3...2...

  • by Dr. Tom ( 23206 ) <tomh@nih.gov> on Thursday June 27, 2024 @06:04PM (#64583825) Homepage

    "They stated that they investigated the concerns thoroughly and determined no safety risk."

    • by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @06:32PM (#64583877)
      Boeing said they'd thoroughly investigated the MCAS system after the Lion Air crash in Indonesia. Dennis Muilenburg, their slimy CEO, told everyone they'd provided extra guidance and training to pilots as well as additional documentation for pilots who flew the 737 Max. Then a year later another 737 Max killed 157 people in Ethiopia. So, yeah, you did hear it before.
    • "They stated that they investigated the concerns thoroughly and determined no safety risk."

      Of course not, they have a safety factor of 3! [youtube.com]

    • Why go to all the expense of a genuine safety check when you can just ask ChatGPT for one:

      > Write an executive summary of a plane safety report ending with "They stated that they investigated the concerns thoroughly and determined no safety risk."

      ChatGPT:
      Executive Summary
      This report outlines the findings from the recent safety inspection conducted on Flight XYZ123, operated by ABC Airlines. The inspection was prompted by multiple passenger complaints regarding unusual noises and vibrations experienced du

  • by flink ( 18449 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @06:58PM (#64583915)

    Anyone wanna take bets on how this guy goes out... shoots himself in the back of the head? sudden heart attack? or stuffs himself in a barrel and throws himself off a bridge?

    • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @07:32PM (#64583961)

      Anyone wanna take bets on how this guy goes out... shoots himself in the back of the head? sudden heart attack? or stuffs himself in a barrel and throws himself off a bridge?

      How about "falls out of a Boeing airplane"? :-]

      • by kmoser ( 1469707 )
        No need, just put him in a Dreamliner and watch it crash. Nobody will suspect foul play because the plane is known to be faulty.*

        * Allegedly
      • by grogger ( 638944 )
        True. That would be the most believable death.
    • by Lehk228 ( 705449 )
      suicide by two shots to the back of the head
    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      How about runway acceleration on a car with a manual gearbox ?
    • by Build6 ( 164888 )

      "It's the darndest thing, I tells'ya. This man threw himself at the wall so hard he cracked all his ribs. Then he threw himself at the *ceiling* and fractured his skull. After that he smacked hisself on all four walls in his room and broke all his arms and legs. After that, he crawled - on his broken arms and legs! - and threw hisself out the window, died on the ground twenty floors below. I tells'ya, if a man wants to kill himelf so bad, there's just no stopping it"

    • by grogger ( 638944 )
      It could be two things.
  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday June 27, 2024 @08:38PM (#64584089)

    Boeing stated they investigated the concerns thoroughly and determined no safety risk.

    Riiiiight. Just like all the other safety concerns that definitely weren't an issue and haven't made headlines repeatedly. What kind of idiot would take Boeing at their word at this stage in the game?

  • Management has a long-term goal of 100% of employees being either lawyers, lobbyists, or vaguely-defined positions they can fill in order to satisfy politically defined employment quotas or plug in the useless relatives of connected people. They will become a purely theoretical aerospace company, where everyone's job is to deliver the notion of flight rather than its reality.
  • Just imagine, for a moment, that all planes would have severe defects and that the probability of a plane crash is something like 50%. In such a world there would be far fewer planes in the air, causing much less CO2. This could delay many problems relating to the climate catastrophe.

  • by Visarga ( 1071662 ) on Friday June 28, 2024 @05:44AM (#64584765)
    Who are you gonna trust? Boeing or some random guy? /s
  • How can I buy life insurance on this guy? The payout odds are better than the lottery.
  • ... during his work with Spirit AeroSystems, Boeing's main supplier.

    Of course it is their main supplier. The plants that are now Spirit used to be Boeing's own supply plants. Then they got "spun off" into a captive supply company allowing them to shed union contracts, pay scales, and safety and other oversight, thus cutting prices while allowing exec to pocket fat bonuses for the revenue brought by the financial engineering of the sale.

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