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FBI Has 'Gained Access' To the Trump Rally Shooter's Phone [UPDATE] (theverge.com) 948

UPDATE 7/15/24 3:05 p.m. EDT: In a press release published this afternoon, the FBI said they "successfully gained access to Thomas Matthew Crooks' phone, and they continue to analyze his electronic devices." The bureau added that it has completed its search of the subject's residence and vehicle, and "conducted nearly 100 interviews of law enforcement personnel, event attendees, and other witnesses."

Original Story: July 15, 16:45 UTC: Investigators are working to break into the phone of the man who shot at former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday. The Verge: The FBI said in a statement that it had obtained the shooter's phone "for examination." Officials told reporters in a conference call on Sunday, as reported by The New York Times, that agents in Pennsylvania were unable to break into the phone. It's been shipped to the FBI's lab in Quantico, Virginia, where the FBI hopes to get past the phone's password protection, the Times reported.

Investigators are still looking for insight into the motives of Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20-year-old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, who they identified as the gunman. Kevin Rojek, the FBI special agent in charge in Pittsburgh, told the Times and other outlets that the agency has access to some of Crooks' text messages, but they haven't shed much light on his beliefs.

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FBI Has 'Gained Access' To the Trump Rally Shooter's Phone [UPDATE]

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  • Expect (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Virtucon ( 127420 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:53AM (#64626585)

    Expect the FBI to again make calls to have backdoors into encrypted systems.

    • Re:Expect (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @12:24PM (#64626727)

      Thay may still have them. This "delay" may well be just a ploy to make people believe they cannot break in easily. And what they found after having broken in may well tell them that there is no real urgency now. Remember, a backdoor is a "source" and hence needs to be protected.

  • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @12:03PM (#64626633)

    I don't really care much about his motive. There are left wing nut jobs, right wing nut jobs, and free range nut jobs. How he was a few millimeters away from success is the important question. I think Trump is an existential threat to our democracy, but he isn't as dangerous as what could happen if political violence on the scale of presidential assassination becomes as easy as this 20 year old kid made it seem. The secret service has a lot to answer for.

    Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this for decades.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @12:26PM (#64626737)

      Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this for decades.

      Indeed. One thing we know however: He did not miss on purpose. Nobody is that precise.

    • by DrSpock11 ( 993950 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @12:28PM (#64626745)

      Iâ(TM)m by no means a fan of Trump. Heâ(TM)s narcissistic at a level unmatched by any other, and has been extremely dishonest throughout his career. But to call the leading presidential candidate âoean existential threat to democracyâ is absurd. You lived through the last Trump presidency- youâ(TM)ll live through the next (if there is one).

      Unhinged rhetoric like this is likely what inspired the shooter to begin with. After all, if Trump were really H*tler- wouldnâ(TM)t there be a moral obligation to stop him however possible?

      • by fropenn ( 1116699 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @01:02PM (#64626883)
        It is insanity to blame Democrats' "rhetoric" for causing the shooting when Trump's rhetoric is explicitly violent toward any and all groups he doesn't like (see a short list here: https://www.axios.com/2022/05/... [axios.com]).

        Sure, Democrats have said questionable things in the past, but there's no comparison to the ongoing tirade and call to violence you see again and again and again out of Trump's mouth.

        So, tell me again: whose rhetoric is to blame?

        Or maybe there is nothing to blame instead of the shooter themselves?
        • DEMOCRACY: a civilized system which allows for civil revolutions; it can be messy and even somewhat violent but it's better than everything else.

          Biden speaks like he's reminding people but most people don't grasp the concepts or even know what he's thinking about:

          Like a super-hero, you are limited by the principles of democracy even if you have great power, your responsibility self-limits you while the villain does not and mocks your restraint as weakness. It is not democracy to kill opponents. This isn't y

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @01:13PM (#64626949) Homepage Journal

        I'm by no means a fan of Trump. He's narcissistic at a level unmatched by any other, and has been extremely dishonest throughout his career. But to call the leading presidential candidate "an existential threat to democracy" is absurd.

        I don't know. He rallied people to try to topple Congress so that he wouldn't have to step down. His high-level officials had regular contact with known agents of a hostile foreign government. He kept substantial state secrets in locations where they were not under suitable control, and agents of hostile foreign governments could very easily have accessed them with or without his knowledge. Threats to democracy don't get a lot more existential than someone with a history of trying to overthrow the government who many suspect of selling nuclear submarine secrets to Russia.

        So yeah, I think "existential threat to democracy in the United States" is pretty much on point. When he first got elected, I said that he would be a true test of the separation of powers. Now that he has packed the courts with people whose recent decision could potentially be interpreted to quite literally grant him immunity for political assassinations on U.S. soil, I would argue that the separation of powers has failed, and if he becomes president again, we can't be certain that democracy will survive. Anyone who isn't an absolute rabid Trump supporter should be downright terrified right now.

        • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Monday July 15, 2024 @03:33PM (#64627587) Journal

          Anyone who isn't an absolute rabid Trump supporter should be downright terrified right now.

          Luckily for the safety of our democracy, the Democrats have chosen the most capable and vigorous man in the country to oppose him.</sarcasm>

          (To be clear, I'd rather have a complete nullity in office than Donald Trump, for the same reason I'd rather have a net worth of $0 than -$1M. And I think Biden has had a surprisingly productive first term. But I think he's lost a lot and continues to decline rapidly.)

        • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

          by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @04:34PM (#64627801)
          Comment removed based on user account deletion
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @06:04PM (#64628085)

          "recent decision could potentially be interpreted to quite literally grant him immunity for political assassinations on U.S. soil"

          I think you can drop the "potentially" and perhaps the "could be" from that sentence, considering that three supreme court justices used exactly that example in their dissenting opinion.

          Did you ever think you'd read

          Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune.

          in an actual ruling from a western supreme court?

      • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @01:16PM (#64626967)

        Don't forget all the MAGA republicans who laughed at Trump's ideas of the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband being a sexual encounter gone wrong, or that he deserved it; dismissing violent rhetoric coming from the right, then immediately denouncing it now when we don't even know the motivations of the shooter.

        Yes, there is a potential threat to traditional democracy going on now - many red states have been actively gerrymandering to hold onto their state legislatures despite changing demographics, and Trump is very clear on his authoritarian viewpoints. Trump and many MAGA Republicans and pundits have a love affair with Orban who has been dismantling democracy in Hungary; Trump and many are praising Putin, an out-and-out dictator (who'd have thought GOP would be pro-Russia ten years ago??). Trump while in office was quite chummy with many dictators and authoritarians. Yes, it is a threat to traditional democracy. This is not violent political rhetoric to say so, it's a warning sign for decent people to get out and vote.

      • by Himmy32 ( 650060 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @01:25PM (#64627017)

        But to call the leading presidential candidate an existential threat to democracy is absurd.

        Does democracy still exist when the results of a fair democratic election are ignored? And there's no threat of that again?

      • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @01:31PM (#64627045)

        But to call the leading presidential candidate âoean existential threat to democracyâ is absurd. You lived through the last Trump presidency- youâ(TM)ll live through the next (if there is one).

        And if our current form of government crumbles to an unrecognizable state, I will probably survive that as well. Just living through the Trump presidency is not a very high bar. Germany's population went from 66 million people before Hitler to 65 million people after, so most people would survive fascism in the US as well.

        Our republic is only limping along at this point, and we are in a situation where a felon who at minimum praised rioters in our capital (and at worst instigated it) is very likely to become president again. Project 2025 is a laundry list of things which would be far more damaging than the significant damage Trump did in his first presidency.

      • > You lived through the last Trump presidency- youâ(TM)ll live through the next (if there is one)
        Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
      • You should. The main and most terrifying part of it is that the plan is to replace career civil service employees with yes men and sycophants.

        That's supreme Court ruling around immunity just gave Trump immunity. It didn't give him authority. He still needs people willing to do his bidding. Project 2025 gets him the authority and the immunity. It's a detailed plan to replace virtually everyone in the federal government with loyalists so that when Trump gives an order that order is obeyed unquestionably. J
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by will_die ( 586523 )
          Schedule F is one of the better ideas. It identified government employees who are making policy and replaces them with people who have some accountability. We just had a recent example on why it was needed, President biden requested some action from one of these type of people and they didn't do it.
          Since you think Presidents did not already have immunity explain how obama was about to target and kill a US citizen with no court order?
          This whole thing reads like a giant conspiracy theory based on lack of
      • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @06:51PM (#64628211)

        Iâ(TM)m by no means a fan of Trump. Heâ(TM)s narcissistic at a level unmatched by any other, and has been extremely dishonest throughout his career. But to call the leading presidential candidate âoean existential threat to democracyâ is absurd. You lived through the last Trump presidency- youâ(TM)ll live through the next (if there is one).

        Unhinged rhetoric like this is likely what inspired the shooter to begin with. After all, if Trump were really H*tler- wouldnâ(TM)t there be a moral obligation to stop him however possible?

        He literally tried to overturn the result of the election, the only reason a coup or civil war didn't happen is the vast majority of Republicans in positions of power ignored his rhetoric and certified the election as legitimate. And in response to that he riled up a crowd, sent them to congress, and stood back as they stormed the capitol.

        Since then the Republicans who stood up to him have largely been driven from the party.

        What do you think is going to happen if the election is close again? Do you think those new secretaries of state who campaigned on the idea the election was stolen will certify Biden victories? What if Trump gets in? What do you think will happen in 2028 when he's either trying to orchestrate a 3rd term or hand off power to his hand chosen successor?

        It's just like Sept 10th, 2001, sometimes the unthinkable happens and the world changes.

      • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:01PM (#64628241) Journal

        So it's not entirely accurate to say that a candidate for President might be a threat to democracy when he still refuses to accept the results of the last election, after litigating it over 60 times and having zero evidence of any election fraud that would have made any meaningful change to anything at all? And after several partisan "audits" looking for any scrap or shred of evidence to even point to in order to keep the ridiculous conspiracy of lies alive, they found what? Absolutely nothing. In fact, the "cyber ninjas" audit in Arizona ended up adjusting the vote count a little more to Biden.

        And then that same guy conspired to plan and execute a violent uprising against the legislative branch when they were set to certify that election that he still can't bring himself to accept?

        And if elected, he'll be de facto legally immune from accountability for any illegal actions he takes because a puppet Supreme Court invented some doctrine of Presidential Immunity that never even remotely existed before, and the other 45 presidents going back to George Washington never thought they had, and only one other president ever needed and was denied by the Supreme Court in directly relevant precedent (US v Nixon)? And that president promptly resigned because he was a lawyer and knew that he was about to discover the length, width, and breadth of the shaft courtesy of the United States Congress impeaching him?

        None of this adds up to an existential threat to democracy? What guarantee do you have that he'll leave office still breathing if he wins, when he's basically immune to prosecution and has a friendly court that he's going to put 40-year old appointees onto that will be politically right of the last 20 GOP nominees and beholden to him due to pledging loyalty to even get the nomination nod?

        If you aren't paying attention to how the table is getting set, then you need to open your fucking eyes.

      • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:12PM (#64628275)

        But to call the leading presidential candidate âoean existential threat to democracyâ is absurd.

        Why? Outside of a coup this is how all democracies fail. Putin was once a leading presidential candidate, and everyone saw exactly where it would head. Erdogan, Orban, and Lukashenko were all leading presidential candidates in their most recent elections. They all showed that existential threats to democracy are real.

        The question is, what evidence do we have to back it up? Does the candidate have a history of siding with dictators and despots? Does the candidate have a history of subverting media? Does the candidate have a history of denying democratic results? Does the candidate have a history of attempting to sway outcomes of elections in ways not laid out in the normal functioning of transition of power?

        If you answer yes to even one of those it's a cause for concern. If you answer yes to all of them then it may be worth digging out your bible and hoping divine intervention keeps your democracy safe, since that's all you have to fall back on.

  • I would suspect, that this may be, just maybe, politically motivated Again, potentially
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      You think? Hmm. Very speculative "far-out" theory, obviously, but not completely impossible.

    • Re:No expert but*** (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#64626795)

      I would suspect, that this may be, just maybe, politically motivated Again, potentially

      Yes, that's an obvious first guess. But other explanations are possible:
        - he was impatient for his 15 minutes of fame
        - he wanted to do the suicide by cop thing, but school shootings are passe'
        - he wanted to impress a girl (as the guy who shot John Lennon)
        - he was a loony cult member (as the chick who shot Ronald Reagan)
        - a voice in his head told him to do it
        - he was brainwashed, as in Manchurian Candidate (is that even possible?)
        - he was manipulated by others into doing it
        - he was possessed by a demon
        - drugs or a toxic toenail fungus caused him to hallucinate that he was protecting little boys from priests, or his own arse from alien "investigators"

      OK, a few jokes thrown in, but the rest are totally plausible.

      I still suspect political motives, but there are other possibilities. Probably several I haven't thought of. We live in a crazy world.

  • Whatever party he follows he was an authoritarian by definition. There are authoritarians in both parties who feel they have some right to impose their worldview on others by force or coercion and there are some politicians that court them.
  • by EvilSS ( 557649 ) on Monday July 15, 2024 @02:12PM (#64627229)
    Saw this on CNN over lunch

    Investigators are about 70% done with their analysis of Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks’ cell phone, according to a law enforcement official.

    So far, they haven’t come across anything that has given them a hint as to why the shooter tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump, the official said. Investigators are also expected to work on the shooter’s laptop in hopes that reveals clues, according to the official.

    The shooter’s parents, who have been cooperating with law enforcement since the assassination attempt, have said Crooks did not appear to have friends and did not appear to have any political leanings, the official said.

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