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Canada Predicts Hacking From India as Diplomatic Feud Escalates (bloomberg.com) 97

Posted by msmash from the escalating-tensions dept.
Canada is bracing for Indian government-backed hacking as the two nations' diplomatic relationship nosedives to its lowest ebb in a generation. From a report: "We judge that official bilateral relations between Canada and India will very likely drive Indian state-sponsored cyber threat activity against Canada," the Canadian Centre for Cyber Security said in its annual threat report published Wednesday, adding that such hackers are probably already conducting cyber-espionage.

This month, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet and Canadian police have ramped up a remarkable campaign of public condemnations against India, accusing Narendra Modi's officials of backing a wave of violence and extortion against Canadians on Canadian soil -- particularly those who agitate for carving out a separate Sikh state in India called Khalistan. India has rejected the accusations and believes some Khalistan activists to be terrorists harbored by Canada.
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  • Modi cosying up to Putin recently (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:20AM (#64906507) Homepage

    Shows his true nature and whats in store for india if he's not voted out at the next election. If he allows it.

    • Re:Modi cosying up to Putin recently (Score:4, Insightful)

      by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:24PM (#64906767)
      Losing India into Russia's orbit would be terrible for the world, India has almost twice Russia's GDP.

      • Re:Modi cosying up to Putin recently (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:34PM (#64906799)

        India's already playing both sides. Personally, I think any nation that isn't willing to stand against Russia's invasion of Ukraine has announced they don't care about national borders and sovereignty. That they're OK with "might makes right".

        As such, I don't think anybody should feel bound to offer any kind of support when they have territorial disputes.

        Of course, the biggest threat to India there is probably China, and they're also supporting Putin.

        • Where was your respect of borders and sovereignity in Iraq?

        • I don't recall the West standing up for India when China invaded it in 1962.
          Or when Pakistan invaded India in 1965
          Or when Pakistan invaded India in 1971
          Oh that's too far back, you'll say.
          But I don't recall the West standing for India when Pakistan invaded India in 1999! (Kargil)
          Or when China invaded Bhutan in 2022! (Doklam!)
          Or when China invaded India in 2023! (Tawang and Galwan!)
          You got your panties into a twist when Russia took the part of Ukraine that was majority Russian and whose population was being o

          • Leave it. These morons were ready to believe when NYT said Iraq has wmd. They are ready now to believe that Modi is a fascist dictator whatever and not a democratically elected leader who has to work to get votes.

            I am sure this allegation about "Indian hackers" has got nothing to do with India and China taking a step towards resolving border issues TODAY

            https://www.ndtv.com/india-new... [ndtv.com]

            Just like Canada expelled Indian diplomats and not the other way around irrespective of order of timestamps on the news.

            • >Just like Canada expelled Indian diplomats

              We tend to have a problem with diplomats who have people killed and their countries won't revoke their diplomatic immunity or bring them home to some kind of punishment.

              We expelled them for committing crimes; India expelled Canadian diplomats for appearances.

              • And India tends to have a problem with terrorists who blow up planes and continuously send out social media posts hinting that Air India flights will be blown up.

              • Yeah they didn't commit any crime. Something about innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. "Intel" is not proof. Much less when Canada harbors and refuses to extradite terrorist with interpol notice.

                Cope harder. Canada has literally run an open season of hunting on Indian diplomats and said that "until something happens it is all free speech".

          • All of which makes it OK for India to assassinate Canadian citizens on Canadian soil for saying things they don't like. Got it.

            Fucking fascist apologist, that's what you are.

            • Where is the proof? Just repeating something multiple times does not make it true. Canada should have given some proof like the USA did. And even if its true, was India dealt with the same courtesy as was dealt to the Chinese when they were having chinese police stations in Canada? This spat is nothing more than a bone to the Sikh vote bank.

            • Call me whatever you want - it doesn't change the fact that Canada has NOT a shred of proof that India orchestrated that murder. Even baby Trudeau admitted as much - "We have intelligence, not hard proof. We have asked India to investigate, but they keep asking us for details on the intelligence. We can't share it because that would compromise the intelligence!"
              That whole line is like this: "You are a thief. I have no proof you have stolen anything, but a little birdie told me. You need to look in your hous

          • India mostly aligned itself with the Soviet Union during the cold war. Why expect western help? Even back then, they played the non-aligned card while primarily taking assistance from one side.
            India is free to elect whoever it wants , and pursue whatever policy it wants. But the west is also free to respond in their own fashion.
            And yes, Europeans are giant hypocrites for buying Russian oil and gas.

            • Oh cmon! India leaned towards the Russians only AFTER the American invited Pakistan into CENTO and SEATO and gave them planes and arms. India, at least initially, tried to remain fair to both sides, but the Americans, as usual, had the same BS model - if you ain't with us, you're against us.

      • Losing India into Russia's orbit would be terrible for the world, India has almost twice Russia's GDP.

        The US/West can certainly "lose" India, but that's arguable, since India has never really been a dependable partner for the West. India wants to be recognized as a world power. It will never care for Russia any more than it cares for the West. If India does gravitate to Russia, it will be a spur of the moment thing, lasting until the next spur of the moment thing.

        India having twice Russia's economy means nothing. India has less than a quarter of China's GDP. That's telling because in both economics and

    • I'm guessing your comment is code for 'I only get my info from MSM'.
      In reality, India has never been MORE democratic! Modi now has to work in a coalition - which means he has to carry other partners along. Can the US even have a coalition, as a concept?

      Thanks to Modi, Jammu and Kashmir have had REAL elections - more than 60% of the population voted and the Modi's party lost and he was the first to congratulate the winning party. Sure J&K had elections earlier, but they would always be something like 20-

  • US is told by Canada that Candian attempts are are from India. And Steve Bannon talked about this very scenario several times as an election ploy and happens to have just got out of jail? Days before an election?

  • Anyone in a spat with (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:33AM (#64906571) Journal

    ...Canada has a problem. Canada is arguable the most peaceful nation on this planet. They wouldn't pick a fight with a flea.

    Modi is an asshole and dictator-wannabe, jailing and threatening opposition and the press on trumped-up charges, and treating Muslims like shit to kiss up to majority religion. I'm hesitant to classify India as a "democracy" because Modi controls so much.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ne0n ( 884282 )
      It's nothing to do with Canada. Trudeau is shit-disturbing to distract from the green slush fund scandal, the leadership coup attempt, and whatever other scandals are in the offing.

      The Coward of the Cottage loves attention and will do anything to stay in the limelight.

      • Sounds terrible. Why hasn’t an election ever been voted for yet?

        • In Canada or India? East Indians tend to vote their pocket-book, like Americans. India's economy has been growing under Modi, so most voters mentally downplay his authoritarian mayhem. (Gee, where have we seen that before?) Plus, Modi's control of the press limits voters' perspective on his slimy deeds.

          • Canada.

          • American’s don’t really vote their pocketbook. They certainly get all pissy when they think the economy is bad, even if it’s better than pretty much the rest of the frikkin planet. But their voting record is more “bipolar” than “greedy”. For decades, power oscillated back and forth every 8 years with incredible regularity. Trump broke that because he’s a weird demagogue outlier and the republican party’s definition of conservatism is changing yearly.

            N

        • Sounds terrible. Why hasn’t an election ever been voted for yet?

          The NDP wants to distance themselves from the unpopular Trudeau, but continue to prop him up. I don't think that is going to work out for them how they think.

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by johnnys ( 592333 )

        Agreed 100%.

        When Kennedy accused Russia and Cuba of staging nuclear missiles in Cuba and they denied that, then Adlai Stevenson II (US ambassador to the UN at the time) provided LOTS of photographs PROVING that the communists were lying. Because the proof was provided, the UN took it seriously.

        However, Trudeau and his minions simply trot out their accusations whenever it's politically expedient, instead of when they are actually ready to back up their accusations with facts. While this helps them deflect re

      • Makes sense. Look! over there! Big Bad foreigners are meddling in our domestic affairs and elections*.
        Please don't think about any Green Slush Funds, or stuff like how I've overstayed my welcome.
        Standard distraction tactic.

        *likely true, but still doesn't negate it's distractive effect.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by newbie_fantod ( 514871 )

        It's nothing to do with Canada. Trudeau is shit-disturbing to ...

        For those readers not of the Canadian persuasion, the above sentiments are verbatim talking points taken directly from the Trudeau's opposition - Canada's kinder gentler version of MAGA - the Conservative Party of Canada.

        • But it is funny how the government will willingly admit to Indian interference, but also be teeth-pulling intransigent against admitting that China interference was/is a thing.

          Distraction tactic or not, they're hardly credible and instead on par with most political bullshit.

        • Talking points of the official opposition? It's literally unfolding in plain view for all to see. You don't need a party affiliation to understand that graft, corruption, deceit and 400 million missing dollars are signs of a real problem.

    • It is usually a bad sign if Canada gets angry with your country. Which is a pretty nice reputation to have, honestly.

      We're far from perfect, but starting shit with other nations isn't one of our big faults.

    • Re:Anyone in a spat with (Score:4, Funny)

      by garett_spencley ( 193892 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:18PM (#64906941) Journal

      They wouldn't pick a fight with a flea.

      As a Canadian I resent that and would like to challenge you to a duel.

      Wait, the hockey game is on ... will get back to you.

  • Canada is backed into a corner (Score:4, Interesting)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:03PM (#64906689)

    Here's how it started, as far as I know. Over the past few decades, people from a state in India called Punjab who are of Sikh religion, have been fleeing to Canada. This is because they accuse India of oppressing them in their state (some Indians will say that the claims of sustained widespread oppression while having some truth was exaggerated to get refugee visa approval, and now they started believing their own claims -- who knows, it might be true it might be a blend). Anyway, the bottom line is those people want the Punjab state to break away from India and form a new country called Khalistan. So many hundreds of thousands of Punjabians have fled to Canada that they now comprise a pander-worthy population there. Therefore they've been pressuring Trudeau to press India's president Narendra Modi to quit oppressing the Khalistani people and give them more autonomy. Nevermind that it's likely (as I understand it) that most of the people who care about Khalistan are the people in Canada. As I understand it, most Sikhs or Punjabians currently living in India don't really give a shit about it. Anyway, it started with Trudeau inviting a person who had attempted to killed an Indian cabinet member to a dinner and now it's escalated to Canada placing trade restrictions, withdrawing diplomats, and accusing India of spying on Canadian Punjabis and being complicit in the murder of a prominent Khalistan movement activist on Canadian soil last year.

    • To put this in perspective, this would be like Cuba sending hit squads to the U.S. to take out American citizens who speak out against the authoritarian Cuban regime. You can imagine what the American response might be; likely more than cutting diplomatic relations.

    • fairly good summary of the affair.
      The Sikhs and Punjabis in Canada, from what I've seen, skew wealthy. North of Toronto proper, Brampton, you look poor driving a Mercedes. In Ontario, last time I checked, there were several Sikhs in Doug Ford's cabinet, including the Treasurer. They wield a lot of power in Canada. Which explains why there's some clear vote pandering.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Rexdude ( 747457 )
      You missed the part where these terrori^H^H^H'separatists' ran a terror campaign against non Sikhs [wikipedia.org], assassinated a sitting prime minister [wikipedia.org] and commited the worst terrorist attack in Canadian history and the worst airline hijacking before 9/11 [wikipedia.org].

      There is no love lost for them in India among Indian Sikhs, and Canada is now as good as Khalistan for them given their influence there, with Trudeau pandering to them as he is.

      • The last incident on that timeline was 1995, and most of the activity was mid 1980s. That's the equivalent of accusing Japanese of being Kamikazes or Germans of being Nazis in the 1970s or 80s.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Rexdude ( 747457 )

          That's the equivalent of accusing Japanese of being Kamikazes or Germans of being Nazis in the 1970s or 80s.

          False equivalence. It is about bringing the actual living people who orchestrated it to justice, not vague 'Canadians', and even in your example specific people were tried and sentenced for their war crimes, not 'the Japanese' or 'the Germans' as a whole. .

          So both countries should forget about it despite both having suffered the results of this terror attack 'because it happened 40 years ago'? This when people even marginally associated with the Holocaust and who were minors at the time [cbsnews.com] are being convict

  • The issue (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @12:07PM (#64906719)

    India is commiting acts of terrorism against Canadian immigrants because it wants them to shut up about Sikh separatism. We're happy to jail people who commit acts of terrorism. If India had a case against the people they targeted for committing actual crimes, Canada's pretty happy to cooperate in line with any treaties or domestic laws on our books.

    India chose murder, abusing their diplomatic presence to arrange it, then decided to get pissy when we dared to object.

    Fuck India. It was looking better for a while, but it's going downhill fast what with sucking Putin's dick and all.

    • You are all out of the wood works today aren't you. Not a busy day I guess.

      Nevermind that the terrorists are literally involved in murders including assassinating former Indian prime minister. But that's a brown shit hole problem isn't it. Only when white lives with blue eyes are killed then it is a tragedy.

      • I'm fine, you appear to be a foaming-at-the-mouth moron.

        If they committed actual acts of terrorism, with evidence, then Canada has a legal system to use. And we'd be fine with that.

        Having your diplomats arrange the murder of Canadians who are saying things you don't like? Not so much.

        India chose the second route, fuck India sideways.

        • The legal system of Canada did next to nothing when the terrorists blew up Air India flight.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Rexdude ( 747457 )

          If they committed actual acts of terrorism, with evidence, then Canada has a legal system to use

          Dipshit, they assassinated Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi [wikipedia.org] (yesterday was the 40th anniversary of the event) and blew up Air India Flight 182 [wikipedia.org] whose passengers mostly were Canadian and Indian citizens the following year, while Canadian governments since then continued to suck the perpetrators' cocks all these years and refused to extradite them to stand trial, let alone prosecute them themselves.

          Get a fucking clue.

        • You are too blinded by your love for current political leaning to see who is actually "a foaming-at-the-mouth moron".

          > If they committed actual acts of terrorism, with evidence, then Canada has a legal system to use. And we'd be fine with that.

          Yeah, like when it opened its borders to those who openly announced that Indian prime ministers will be killed in upcoming days and were consequently kicked out from UK when Indian prime minister was assassinated.

          Or when Trudeau's daddy protected the bombers of Air

  • Not Surprising (Score:3, Funny)

    by Bahbus ( 1180627 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @01:24PM (#64906961) Homepage

    India kinda sucks at everything other than making more people.

  • If country A imports what country B calls "terrorists" (or dissidents) and worships free speech about all else, and does nothing when many official requests are received to "do something" about acts against the sovereignty of country B, then country B takes action to do something about it (because country A won't), then country A can "predict" country B of spying/hacking all it wants.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by rathinam ( 94705 )

      ~ "above all else" [correction of typo.]

    • We do not worship free speech above all else. Ask any American what they think of Canadian speech laws.

      We are strict on rule of law. Any Canadian, immigrant or otherwise, who actually committed an act of terrorism would find our legal system unsympathetic.

      Killing a guy for advocating for a free Khalistan does not sit well with us when both the advocating and killing happen on our soil. India can eat a bowl of rancid dicks.

    • Let's call country A the USA, and country B Russia. Let's say in 2026 Russia takes over Ukraine, and some Ukrainians continue to resist at the risk of being called terrorists by Russia. Now let's say some of these folks eventually understand they lost, so move to the US, but keep publicly denouncing Russia. Does Russia have the right to "take action" (i.e. send the KGB) onto American soil and kill those folks? Would the USA be wrong in predicting more actions (including hacking) by Russia going forward?

      I

    • You obviously have a vested interest in country B, that's why you wrote that. Correct? If country B has evidence that one of country A's citizens is harming them .. then they should present such evidence. If the evidence is ignored, then a case can be made for going into country A and doing an "extraordinary rendition". In this case, did India try to present evidence that a Canadian citizen was coordinating crimes in India? No? So then how would you expect Canada to react when India goes there and kills som

  • India only hurt itself being so reckless. But there are no fundamental (aka geo-strategic) disputes between Canada and India, as far as I can tell. Which suggests either they're about something else, or they're not going to last for that long in historical terms.

  • Import people and you import their political squabbles and culture. If you regard those as improvements that's your right. If your ideology demands you give away your birthright to the rest of the world, that's also your right.

    If you do those things and imagine they won't have unintended consequences it will be fun to watch.

    • Please explain how this makes it OK for India to carry out extra-judicial killings on foreign soil.

  • No mention of the root cause of the current cyber infestation - Microsoft Windows running on Intel hardware.

    • No mention of the root cause of the current cyber infestation - Microsoft Windows running on Intel hardware.

      I still would not dismiss the states who systematically exploit. Given that, a good practice would be to intersect the code being exploited with which hostile state provided the bad code, if possible.

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