Unemployed Office Workers Are Having a Harder Time Finding New Jobs (msn.com) 223
More than 1.6 million Americans have been jobless for at least six months, up 50% since late 2022, despite the economy adding over two million jobs last year, Labor Department data shows.
The average job search now takes six months, primarily affecting high-paying sectors like tech, law, and media. While the 4.2% unemployment rate remains below pre-pandemic averages, job postings have dropped to one per unemployed worker from two in early 2022.
Software development, data science, and marketing roles are 20% below pre-pandemic levels, while healthcare and government sectors account for half of recent job creation. The number of Americans receiving unemployment benefits reached 1.8 million in late December, approaching post-pandemic highs, as wage growth declined to 4% from 6% during the early 2020s hiring peak.
The average job search now takes six months, primarily affecting high-paying sectors like tech, law, and media. While the 4.2% unemployment rate remains below pre-pandemic averages, job postings have dropped to one per unemployed worker from two in early 2022.
Software development, data science, and marketing roles are 20% below pre-pandemic levels, while healthcare and government sectors account for half of recent job creation. The number of Americans receiving unemployment benefits reached 1.8 million in late December, approaching post-pandemic highs, as wage growth declined to 4% from 6% during the early 2020s hiring peak.
Automation (Score:5, Interesting)
Everyone is gearing up for automation replacing most of the paper pusher jobs. Some have already been replaced, some are in the process of being replaced, with the only ones remaining being the ones directing the AI in how to do the job of ten paper pushers.
And notably this isn't US, this is global. You can see this in many European nations as well, though at a delay due to language barrier. For those not aware, generative AIs are contextual, and context is language-specific. Very visible in the only relevant AI company in EU being specialized in French language AI development. This delays replacement of many paper pusher jobs with automation led by a single person in nations where local language doesn't yet have good AI base from which to train profession and task specific generative AI.
But all that is coming. It's just that Anglosphere is the first in line because English is where most of the AI development effort has gone so far.
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> Everyone is gearing up for automation replacing most of the paper pusher jobs.
True, but existing bots are still too stupid to make a notable dent. There are already tools to fill in forms semi-automatically, and they don't require AI.
Those that use AI often guess wrong in hard to spot way. Data that looks almost right is a lot harder to spot than data that is clearly garbage or missing.
Most repetitive form entry I see is "necessary" because the system was either designed poorly, needs an upgrade, or is
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>existing bots are still too stupid to make a notable dent
Depends on a task. Let me give you an example I recently found out about that demonstrates penetration and sufficient ability even in languages that are extremely different from English. In Japan, there's a special "work polite" form of honorific language that people are expected to use in official communications. It's somewhat flowery and very specific. It takes time and effort to both generate this language for workplace communications for those
How many new H1B visas per year? (Score:2)
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Last I checked from the X discussion, it was 85000 a year + exceptions. So nowhere near a million.
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No one seems to know. At least not the autists who pulled all the government data they could find and counted.
Considering those are the kind of people who sit and count Russian armor left in bases from satellite images and try to classify it by model, type and condition, I would say that if they can't find and count it, it's going to be pretty arcane and esoteric. So it's probably the case of government legitimately not have a clue what its bureaucracy is actually doing. But it's still unlikely to be "a mil
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I think the distinction is that there are 85,000 new visas are issued each year plus annual renewals. So the total number of H1B's at any moment in time is closer to 400k-500k.
https://www.bbc.com/news/artic... [bbc.com]
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Isn't that the default assumption? That's how you generally count large scale population changes. Births, deaths, migration?
they are willing to work 60-80 hours an week for l (Score:2)
they are willing to work 60-80 hours an week for low pay also they don't have big student loans to pay off
Re: How many new H1B visas per year? (Score:2)
Without H1B visa program, many of those jobs would not be filles, regardless of the salary offered. Our workforce is short on math, engineering, and sciences. We're a nation of hairdressers and telephone sanitiers.
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Bullshit, co's often hire H1B's for generic CRUD dev, not fancy dancy engineering. Co's just want cheaper and/or more docile labor, being H1B's are essentially indentured servants.
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Without H1B visa program, many of those jobs would not be filles, regardless of the salary offered. Our workforce is short on math, engineering, and sciences.
Why would higher salaries not fix that problem?
Re: How many new H1B visas per year? (Score:5, Insightful)
Tell that to the tech people who have been laid off for a year+, and who have gone from the Amazon offices to the Amazon warehouses to keep a roof over their heads.
There are plenty of tech people. However, H-1Bs are dirt cheap, and are deported when fired, so employers can use them as slave labor.
If the H-1B people are so valuable, ditch the H-1B visa, give them permanent residency with a short path to citizenship, so they get something because they are that critical. Show me why being beholden to a company like an indentured servant is anything but abuse.
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In theory the H1B system should give us a competitive advantage in that it ought to allow us to pluck highly specialized skills that were not expected to be needed in such quantities from abroad, and market forces should follow by driving workers to get training / educated in these areas going forward.
Basically it *should* be industrial poaching at the national scale, and as such isn't a bad idea. In practice everyone cheats. I would say we should keep the h1b system or something like it but ... there shoul
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Highly specialized should not have to mean has 3 PHDs. Cooking is a skill, and you either need to train on it or go to school for it. If the nation suddenly experienced a renaissance in food prep or we suddenly discovered that eating out 5 times a week is the key to a long life, it would make sense to import cooks and lots of them.
I agree with you though, hiring h1bs to be cooks and janitors in nominal conditions is an abuse of the laws purpose at least in as far as it is sold to the public, and we should
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It is inexcusable to import foreigners to be cooks, janitors or any other low-skilled labor. Rationalize it all you want but we all know the purpose is to suppress wages. If that's your goal then just say it already and stop insulting our intelligence.
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Well, the laws weren't too great, because that's one of the reasons why the UK left the EU - they were fed up of "too many immigrants from the EU" taking jobs in the UK. (EU citizens have freedom to work anywhere in the EU, so many of the citi
Hint (Score:5, Insightful)
Begin search for a new job before quitting your last one. You won't look like someone who got fired for cause. You'll also appear as a valuable staff member worth negotiating terms for.
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... unless one has already been made redundant thanks to AI and cheap foreign labour.
I know many colleagues who also know others (mostly devs), who are now out of job, with little hope of finding another (in UK anyway).
Agencies they have spoken to say they are flooded with over a thousand applicants for a single dev job.
I'm not sure about other countries, but it's never been this bad in UK for developers.
I thought about switching to car mechanic. (Score:5, Informative)
No joke.
I'm a senior websoftware dev with 25 years of experience and a pretty solid knowledge and experience in self-marketing and self-promotion. I've been running a professional buzzword-compliant blog for more than 2 decades and have a quite impressive resume and project track. Regularly maintained and individually adjusted for each application.
Last summer I started looking for a new job, while doing some full-time training on web and online related topics. I've never spent this long even clawing for feedback, let alone an interview last summer. I applied for 50+ jobs that basically were my resume in requirements. Bare minimum feedback was roughly 15%, with tons of ghosting and dropouts. I had 3-4 meaningful interviews with (eventually) two options, one of which was an office-presence-only web jockey job at an internal agency drowned in chaos and zero technical guidance and a borderline insulting wage. I eventually scored a decent gig a few weeks ago, after lowering my salary expectations by 15k+/year. Main job is a somewhat borked and badly documented Jamstack Angular application with a 4-year maintenance backlog with some easy WordPress / PHP stuff on the side. The boss and my collegues are nice, the timelines are chill, I'm the only dev around and it's 80% remote, so I'm good for now, even with the lower salary.
However, the last weeks searching for a job with federal unemployment support (this is Germany) running out I seriously considered leaving Web/IT for good and learning a trade like car mechanic. Better than sitting around and doing nothing, and since I've gotten into ICE scooters in recent years I thought I'd help out at my local dealer and learn the trade. At least then I can fix my own scooter, no? ... Many openings had 200+ applications and just about everybody in the field I know has had a 100% drought since last spring/summer. A friend of mine is even closing up and/or repurposing is small IT corporation because customers are basically disfunctional with not even a decider to talk to about renewing the contracts.
It's total mayhem out there right now and I expect the software industry of the last 3 decades to go through an epic shakeup and reformation. With most of the jobs we had just a few years ago going the way of the Dodo.
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You do what you have to in order to get by, but auto tech is usually not a great job. It's generally flat rate so if business is slow you get to sit in your bay hoping for the next job. It's rough work where you're probably going to wreak your body and discover new aches and pains. The retirement and benefit plans either suck or are outright non-existent.
Oh, and that door rate? That's not what the mechanic makes. Not anywhere near it -and given the aforementioned flat rate system, they ought to get a l
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I feel like a lot of web development is going to shift to AI generated, which produces a lot of quick flashy looking websites, and then the site owners will realize all the web script code that supports the website is buggy and unsecure as all get out, resulting in a rush for code fixes.
I could be wrong, but we will see.
Re: I thought about switching to car mechanic. (Score:5, Interesting)
In the US, all the blue collar jobs look ok, and sometimes pay ok, but they all come with unique hells, usually that have to do with destroying your body and health. Mechanic is one of the ones notorious for inducing certain injuries, often around the shoulders. You also need to wear the nitrile gloves every single time or get added to the cancer stats.
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More H1B? (Score:2)
Elon and Donald said more H1B visas are needed...
Re:More H1B? (Score:5, Interesting)
Steve Bannon said he's going to lobby heavily against their pro-H1B stance. Something is deeply wrong when I end up rooting for Bannon; I feel like a dinosaur rooting for asteroids.
(I've seen the H1B program abused at multiple companies. It's a sham if the actual purpose is about "shortages".)
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Here is the nuance that most Americans lose in this discussion.
Outsourcing is now near zero effort. Platforms. like Deel.com and Trinet allow you to hire anyone in the world with very low overhead cost.
As such - you are competing with the globe, no matter how you slice it. Either the job comes to the US (in which case they pay US taxes, at least), or the same person gets hired, just in their home country.
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Re: accept RTO (Score:5, Interesting)
I think it's far less about RTO than it is about massive layoffs in an industry that got bloated, with most layoffs in concentrated geographic areas. If you're in a tech hub most of the in-person jobs are being fought over because people don't want to move. And if you were making tech hub wages living in a high cost area you probably can't take a remote job for half pay either. That's going to lead to a pretty hard competitive market, especially for folks I'd consider "tech adjacent" like marketing.
Anecdotally, my company is having a very hard time finding competent technical people willing to move here. We get applications, but most simply aren't qualified in terms of a math or science background. Twice we've had excellent candidates, but both rejected the offers when my management wouldn't budge on fully remote work (they didn't want to move here for the salary offered).
My guess is the booming stock markets will spark another wave of early retirements, which will again starve employers of experienced talent. Not to mention it certainly looks like companies are cutting too aggressively. So this will flip on its head again, but probably too late for folks to stay solvent without a big life change like a move.
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All these CEOs and board members work for multiple corporations. They can do this important work remotely and I can't?
Maybe... (Score:2)
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I am sure there is a relevant quote from Lazarus Long for that.
Found it (Score:3)
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long (RAH)
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I'm an OK welder (pretty good at MIG, still learning on TIG), but this as much a throw-away as telling coal miners to "learn to code." The welding jobs that actually pay decent require a very high level of skill (just like highly-paid coding jobs require a high level of skill). But even the very best welders in the world have a much lower ceiling than a very good tech person. Your low-end welding job stick welding wrought iron fences pays barely above minimum wage. Welding pressurized containers for nuclear
AI has come for your job (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're in webdev, get out while you can. Tech disciplines I recommend for someone with experience and some level up include security (CISSP), project management (PMP), maybe network / infrastructure design (CCNA) , or sales. In sales, pick a product (an expensive one) you really like and are great at implementing/supporting and see if they're looking for sales executives. Sales engineers make decent money. The down side is you're tied to a product/company. yeppers... times are a changing.
All y'all geeks need to stop panicking... (Score:5, Funny)
I know that y'all are very book-smart with your slide rules and mechanical mouses and whatnot, but I'm a businessman (I read Art of the Deal five dang times) so I'm going to put all of you at ease. Business is a completely different beast from whatever you do at the keyboard. And me and my buddies have a plan, so all you have to do is have some faith in modern economical theory.
See, it's just like trickle-down economics, except with jobs. We're going to bring in a whole bunch of H-1B workers to do the technical jobs that Americans don't want to do, like slaving away in those hot rooms where all the servers are, and also building "databases" because my dashboard window thing says we need more. Then eventually we'll have so many jobs that there are not enough people in India and China to cover the positions, and there will be plenty of jobs for Americans.
See? It's so simple. Hang tight, because my good buddy is going to be in charge very soon. I know what I'm doing. I can't give you my real name here, so just call me Adrian.
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You're joking... and it's kinda funny, but actual [richmondfed.org] research [hbs.edu] on the question shows that on balance H-1Bs don't displace American workers, and often result in the hiring of more Americans because they enable the companies to grow more than competitors who don't hire H-1Bs.
Worse, research [nber.org] also shows that if you restrict H-1Bs, American companies don't respond by hiring more Americans, they respond by offshoring the work, trying to build up mini-Silicon Valleys in other countries. The authors' hypothesis is t
We all know... (Score:2)
This is a world issue. People who do not understand economy push for AI, sheep follow it like it is a God, then complain when the world starts falling apart. AI should be regulated. This is not the simple Chimney sweeper being replaced by a gas furnace, this is whole sectors of employees being lost to ignorance. Don't like what I said, you can pay my bills, I spent years going to school and have decades of experience. Just because something sounds good does not mean it is good in the long run.
As the Fed Intended (Score:5, Informative)
While the Fed has a "dual mandate" of keeping inflation in check and achieving full employment, its main policy tool is adjusting interest rates. Increasing interest rates hurts employment but reduces inflation. Since 2022, they've been raising interest rates to attack inflation, only easing slightly at the back half of 2024. It will take a while for any decreases to be felt in the economy. The Fed NEEDED it to become harder to find a job than it was in 2022 if inflation was going to come down. However, overall we are still at full employment by the Fed definition (and even the more expansive definitions of unemployment that include discouraged workers are at low levels historically). This economy has nothing on 2009 from an unemployment perspective.
Given that this is Slashdot, many users are being hit worse than others because the layoffs seem to be concentrated in tech. I will say that both my spouse and I had very quick and easy job searches this year (non-tech/legal), so it really depends on your industry and job description. In fact, my job search was the easiest of my professional career. Dusted off my resume in August, applied to 5 jobs after Labor Day, did two full interviews in late September/Early October, had a good offer by mid-October. Spouse was even easier: called friend in the industry "are you hiring? -> Offer 3 days later.
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The problem with H1B visas is that they allow employers to pay below market wages because they create conditions akin to indentured servitude. If H1B visa holders were more free to switch jobs, they'd have to pay closer to standard wages and it wouldn't be such a tempting program for employers.
Been seeing this for 1-2 years now.... (Score:5, Interesting)
There might be truth to AI/ChatGPT related tech reducing the head-count in SOME cases, but I don't really believe that explains more than a small percentage of the unemployed tech workers out there right now.
My experience has been, the tech field is a struggle right now mostly thanks to the cloud computing push. That's forced a big consolidation. For many of your small to mid-sized businesses out there? They don't even worry about trying to do local backups of their data anymore. They just let their cloud provider handle it for them (whether or not that's actually wise!). Even if all you're paying for is a specific application (such as the document management software my workplace uses), the company selling the application made sure the only cost-effective way forward to keep using it was to pay for the cloud-hosted edition, vs the version running on an in-house server or servers. They priced it so all the costly add-ons for the on-site version were thrown in for free with the cloud edition. Then, they give you a certain amount of storage in the cloud and promise they're backing it all up and can restore it for you, on demand, should you need them to. Fill it up and they'll just sell you more storage space.)
This quickly leads to companies no longer maintaining a server room or physical servers, and no longer needing I.T. infrastructure people to take care of it, or even to ensure backups are running properly and can restore successfully.
What's left is the need for "I.T. support" staff who can be less skilled and who they can pay far less for. They just want warm bodies answering the phones, email or chat support they offer employees, or doing basic computer set-ups at desks for new hires. At some point, they decide it's cheaper to swap out computers for new ones than to pay for techs with enough skills to really troubleshoot the workstation/laptop issues that come up.
If you don't want to live and work where the "big guys" like AWS, Microsoft or Google have their data centers and staff, you're finding a dwindling number of I.T. positions open that compensate you fairly for your experience and knowledge. And even if you DO want to work there? Now there's this odd knowledge-gap in play, where you might have had many years of experience doing I.T. for smaller businesses, but you lack any experience with really large-scale application hosting or working in large data center environments. (EG. You might have been a guru at working with Microsoft Exchange Server, hosted on local servers at companies you worked for. But that's a completely different beast than today's Exchange Server everyone is connecting to with O365 today.)
I've warned several younger people I know not to try to go into I.T. right now. The reality is, there's no clear path to long-term career success anymore, just because you got your foot in the door with an I.T. support role. Every place I can think of around me from the local cable company to automotive suppliers or corporate HQs for beverage distributors are only hiring I.T. support as contractors with no option to hire attached to it. It's all kind of a dead-end, in the sense working for one of them may allow you to learn a lot of new things, but you'll still only be qualified to apply to the next place looking for something similar, at a similar pay rate.
Software developers probably have a different experience? But I think whether you want to do support/sysadmin work or coding work, it's still a situation where they're going to bring in the H1B labor where possible, and offer short term contracts otherwise.
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Re:Maybe these people... (Score:5, Insightful)
Learn to work for minimum wage is more like it.
We should be working as a civilization to increase the quality of life for everyone. Raising tides should lift all ships, not just the yachts. I'm not saying the lazy should ride for free, so don't even go there.
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We should be working as a civilization to increase the quality of life for everyone. Raising tides should lift all ships, not just the yachts. I'm not saying the lazy should ride for free, so don't even go there.
The good news is this is overwhelmingly what we see happening. Compare a middle class lifestyle in the industrial west to that of 50 years ago. It's no contest. Perform a similar comparison to poor families--same result. Housing is better, so is transportation, food, entertainment, clothes, communication, a whole slew of things. Same thing for the global poor in 1975 versus today: people died of famine in 1975, today virtually no one starves outside war zones.
There's an experiment you can conduct. Which wou
Re: Maybe these people... (Score:2)
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Ya, 1979 wasn't so bad. There were the Reagan boom years coming (even if it wasn't due to his actions), a lot of great new music and entertainment options, and if white, male, and in America, there weren't that many drawbacks compared to today and you didn't have all those problems that other people had to deal with. Happiness is blind! A slashdotter type of person back then might have the same fulfilling engineering job their entire career and look forward to a comfy retirement. Economic outlooks were
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Which would you prefer: to live today or in 1975 with your current nominal (that is, not adjusted for inflation) income?
With my current nominal income? 1975, please. That's no fucking contest.
I mean, economics aside- I'd rather live today, for sure, but today my income is really good- but in 1975, I'm flat out silly fucking rich. I'll lament for my lost flatscreen while floating in the mediterranean on my yacht.
Median household income in 1975 was $11k a year.
I make that in 3 weeks.
Re: Maybe these people... (Score:5, Insightful)
By what measure? The problem you are measuring a persons value by how much they earn, while it is "A measure" I don't think its good one, just like lines of code is a measure of code, but not a good one.
If Taylor Swift died tomorrow, people would simply find a new vacuous idol to follow. If 10 thousand builders suddenly died then people would find it much harder to find a place to live. If Elon died, once again nothing of value would be lost, he didn't develop rockets in space X, the scientists and engineers did. The value he provides is attracting capital, venture capitalists will simply find somewhere else to put their money.
The economy runs of actual people doing actual work, the rich just take the most profit.
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Value presupposes the question "of value to whom and why?"
Money is imperfect but it's the closest tool we have for taking something that is highly subjective (ex: how much does an individual value a loaf of bread) and transforming it into an objective measure (on the whole, how much do people value x, y or z).
This doesn't contradict what you said but further down you shift the goal post a bit:
If Taylor Swift died tomorrow, people would simply find a new vacuous idol to follow. If 10 thousand builders suddenly died then people would find it much harder to find a place to live.
An apt comparison would be if 10,000 [vacuous] idols disappear vs 10,000 builders.
It might seem "wrong" that Swift e
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I agree that "net worthy" is not an ideal value of a person.
However, I am not sure we have a better way to value people at the moment in the global market.
Fortunately, it seems we are mostly in a post scarcity world, where there should be enough shelter, air, water, food, and productive social things to do for everyone in the world.
Unfortunately, location, due to various factors, might limit some people in the world from enjoying all those benefits, but I would assert without provide much evidence sorry, th
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If we take this one as fact, which it isn't, the original assertion still doesn't follow-
Assuming capitalism is the most efficient system available (at what?), and the earning value is proof of its efficiency (at what?), it doesn't by any means say that people who are able to leverage the system are better (at what?)
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Taylor Swift is just another idol. If she disappears, the record labels will find another pretty face to be the next YATI. YATI will wind up being placed on a pedestal with a ton of astroturfing about her music and debut album... and people will fall at her feet as they did Britney Spears and many others. Give some edgy lyrics and people will be rallying around how YATI (yet another teenage idol) understands them. As they get older, they have a scandal, which gets them more attention, then an album abou
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Also, Musk is just another idol. If he disappears pretty much things continue on as they are. Someone else will assign themselves the role of supreme tech troll. If Bezos vanishes, you'll still be able to have your daily squirt of toothpaste delivered in 30 minutes or less.
But if Taylor Swift vanishes, the wailing and gnashing of teeth from a billion early-teen girls will make life on earth unbearable, except for undeveloped parts of Antarctica.
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Just better than a loser that blindly worships wealth.
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Musk and Bezos are not better.. just luckier..
Bezos worked on several companies that started and died and then got lucky by jumping into the book selling business (publishers are always looking to get their products in the hands of people) so it was a marriage made in profits.. and he understood what we all do.. books (Reading) sadly is on the decline.. so he did what many others did as well.. used the funds from one venture to expand into others.. so that you have multiple revenue streams..
Keep in mind
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Musk and Bezos do appear that they could survive a couple months, maybe more, without other people helping them by growing food.
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I'm still waiting for more people to realize the grandparent was sarcasm. Slashdot is fun and makes Felix happy!
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How tenuous is your position that you have to generate disinformation about some piece of shit that's nearly as disgusting as you are?
1) "President-elect Leon" is staunchly against illegal immigration- you know, the kind that brown people do.
2) "President-elect Leon" wants to replace them with migrant workers (H1-B skilled migrant worker visa) who make more money than Americans in equivalent positions, as is statutorily required.
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Statutorily required, sure, but do they actually do so? If you have a citation I'd love to see it.
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Do you think the powers that be just turn a blind eye to the law? Don't get caught up in nativist bullshit.
Is any enforcement 100%? Of course not. But unenforced enough for the statistics to be skewed? Now that's just silly.
There are reasons to not like H1-Bs. And indirectly, they may very well drive down your wages. But nobody is hiring them for cheaper than they're hiring you. If they did, that worker need only send an anonymous tip to their state attorney general, who would be happy f
Re:Maybe these people... (Score:5, Informative)
Its easy from the Slashdot point of view to see everything in terms of software development but a quick check only shows 4.4 million developers in the US as compared to 22 million medical industry workers and 13 million factory workers. Coding is fine for people whose interests and talents run that way, but there are lots of other options.
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Not unless they lose their jobs and can't find another because of some future major industry downturn
Re:Maybe these people... (Score:5, Interesting)
Someone I know has been a developer for over 15 years, they're based in UK and made redundant from a large consultancy firm, along with countless other colleagues. The consultancy has been doing mass layoffs of IT staff in small batches so that the news doesn't spread both inside and outside the company, as such, they're not even on the layoffs.fyi website or other news.
Regardless, that person mentioned and they and their colleagues have been out of a job now for 8 months, the market is absolutely horrendous for developers right now. The consultancy was hiring for a few devs as replacements, but all from India as cheap labour.
So I think it's due to a mix of both automation and cheap labour from India specifically.
Even in the UK, there just doesn't seem to be as much need for developers any more.
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Not surprising. AI can do impressive things to reduce the burden of coding. Productivity is going up and companies are still ascertaining the effect on how many humans they will need going forward...
But yes, its nasty out there to find a white collar job.
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Those using those products are seeing undeniable improvements in productivity.
I've been confident for a long time that it was very unlikely a younger kid was ever going to show up who can replace me. I'm too fucking good at what I do. I write ultra-high performance software to work with software defined networks that I design handle problems in novel ways that are typically much cheaper than legacy bigiron solutions. There are very few who do w
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Exactly, they sated the same in that AI had really helped them, but has the side-effect of not needing as many developers.
As such, some of those devs (made redundant) have shifted industry entirely, one became a photographer, another is trying to do any bits of freelance work that comes along, while another tried starting a business. But most are still out of work and even willing to take huge pay cuts.
A colleague mentioned they don't even get recruiter calls now, but the 2 calls they did receive, they were
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Bah, coding it too old school. The fad with with AI, low-code, no-code, and doing corporate BS that looks like you're working but really aren't.
Re:Tax-and-spend has consequences (Score:5, Informative)
>> Carter made the same mistake that Biden did.
Carter didn't create stagflation or the oil crisis, just like Biden did not create the pandemic or Ukraine war. They both had to increase government spending to deal with the mess they inherited.
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Carter didn't create stagflation or the oil crisis, just like Biden did not create the pandemic or Ukraine war. They both had to increase government spending to deal with the mess they inherited.
The Ukraine war was not inherited by Biden. Rather, some argue that his perceived projection of weakness on the world stage created an opportunity for Russia to invade Ukraine over a year into his presidency. Similarly, the second oil crisis, which significantly impacted Carter's presidency, was also not inherited. It occurred approximately a year into his term following instability in Iran that critics believe he could have mitigated or prevented from escalating. Both presidents faced economic challenges,
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I cannot believe that in the year of our FSM, 2025, there are still those among us who subscribe to the weird ass Internal Machismo Strongman theory of geopolitics.
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Wait, you're suggesting that maybe every president has crises that they have to deal with and maybe the incompetent ones immediately reach for the strongest levers instead of, you know, weighing the pain for future generations?
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Biden could have stalled Russia and given Ukraine more time to prepare. All he had to do was position some State Department officials in Eastern Ukraine under guard. W halted a Russian advance in Georgia with the same tactic.
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Biden didn't create the Ukraine war, Putin did. Puitin, solely, by himself. Most of the dead are Putin's cannon fodder, because his strategy seems to be to overwhelm defenses with waves after waves of disposable Russians. Ukraine should surrender, what foolishness is this? Russia wants to destroy it utterly, remove the language from existence, and already claims that its culture isn't real. It's like telling a kidnap victim to die already and get it over with quicker. People want to live, is that too hard to understand?
And face it, no president in my life time has had a coherent foreign policy vision.
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So I suppose the original 1993 Word Trade Center bombing was just done for funzies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The West's actions certainly has helped fan the flames of extremism at times, but it's a much more complex topic than you seem to realize.
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Would you say George W. Bush inherited the mess of Islamic extremism?
Unless you refer to 9/11, which I think some would now question was thanks to the terrorist apartheid regime.
I'd think they're talking about 9/11 since they used the word "inherited". We'd already had minor and failed attacks by Islamic extremists before Bush 2 started his electric boogaloo.
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How fucking ignorant of history are you, dude?
Now, that fucker certainly didnt' help shit along, but Islamists have been blowing up planes and buildings for a long time now. I'll fully grant you that the western world is almost solely responsible for it- but trying to pin it on a single President after 1922 is fucking laughable.
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Being elected following the presidency of a known crook?
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Being elected following the presidency of a known crook?
Oh ya? lol.
Fucking morons, I swear to fucking god. How the fuck have you guys become so prolific?
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+1 Astute Observation.
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Some tariffs and deportations should fix that.
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Hm, somebody should have said something when Trump stopped 1.6 trillion from getting taken out of circulation.
Maybe somebody should say something about him doing it again. Na, lets blame Carter instead.
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Sorry, all the cool people are on hackernews these days.
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Why is slashdot a bunch of whiny leftist bitches now? It used to be pretty cool.
With insightful users such as yourself in the forum area it's awfully hard to believe the user count has dropped, right?
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LOL - No the good times in the 50s / 60s were the direct result of American Industry not being obliterated by two world wars as had industry in most of the rest of the developed world. It was the result of an export economy!
Say 90% top marginal tax rates were 'good' for the economy is just nonsense. It might have been a good policy in terms of addressing the nations debt which had ballooned due to war spending, but it was absolutely not causal in terms of success!
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Itâ(TM)s just not worth discussing economics with clueless people. Thereâ(TM)s just so much shenanigans going on and robber barons manipulating the media and wage theft and everyone is taught microeconomics wrong.
The largest part of the economy is the tech sector. And a large chunk of that is services, software and IP. So all of that doesnâ(TM)t scale like a factory.
The next large chunk is luxury items. Where supply and demand is perception.
Then youâ(TM)ve got financial services. Because
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Medical and the Military Industrial Complex aren't in those lists (as far as major categories go), but fit right into the narrative in the same way.
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