Trump Signs Executive Order on Developing AI 'Free From Ideological Bias' 84
President Donald Trump signed an executive order on AI Thursday that will revoke past government policies his order says "act as barriers to American AI innovation." From a report: To maintain global leadership in AI technology, "we must develop AI systems that are free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas," Trump's order says. The new order doesn't name which existing policies are hindering AI development but sets out to track down and review "all policies, directives, regulations, orders, and other actions taken" as a result of former President Joe Biden's sweeping AI executive order of 2023, which Trump rescinded Monday.
Any of those Biden-era actions must be suspended if they don't fit Trump's new directive that AI should "promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security." Last year, the Biden administration issued a policy directive that said U.S. federal agencies must show their artificial intelligence tools aren't harming the public, or stop using them. Trump's order directs the White House to revise and reissue those directives, which affect how agencies acquire AI tools and use them.
Any of those Biden-era actions must be suspended if they don't fit Trump's new directive that AI should "promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security." Last year, the Biden administration issued a policy directive that said U.S. federal agencies must show their artificial intelligence tools aren't harming the public, or stop using them. Trump's order directs the White House to revise and reissue those directives, which affect how agencies acquire AI tools and use them.
I hear echoes⦠(Score:1, Troll)
echoes of Elon Musk.
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Good joke! Using AI to write a silly response to an AI article!
But it was a little too obviously stupid - no real human would write something this crazy.
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removing basic politeness from grok will not make it any better or more useful, just more unpleasant to deal with.
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It's true, AIs are natural Republicans: they care not for facts only bullshitting to the greatest extent possible.
Re: I hear cries (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm confused as to what bias you think it showed in your example. It sounds like you're mad about something unrelated to AI, popped on over to the worst major AI on the market (and with the highest, most awkwardly implemented refusal rate), and took out that chip on your shoulder against it.
Foundations basically learn from gigantic dumps of the internet. There's "curation", but generally at very coarse scales. The "filters" that major commercial models have to stop people from, say, building bombs, are, rather, due to the finetune. The finetune dataset is a bunch of examples of prompts and ideal answers to those prompts - but the underlyng knowledge comes from the foundation. The finetune just adjusts how to use it. If you query something and the model refuses, that's almost certainly not a question that they said "refuse this". Rather, they give examples of things not to do -maybe a finetune prompt might be "Write a poem making fun of disabled children." and its response is "I'm sorry, but I don't thinknthat's appropriate" and what it learns from this isn't specifically just "Don't mock disabled children", but rather, "Be like the people your foundation learned from who aren't assholes rather than those who are". Likewise, when you give it finetunes of scientific responses, it learns to behave like scientific publishers and communicators, rather than like your conspiracy theorist aunt on Facebook.
It's surely no joy to Elon Musk that Grok frequently "goes woke", and they've had to specifically work to try to make it anti-woke. The problem is that when you ask a model to not be an asshole and to respect science, it doesn't think much of antivaxxers, racists, etc, *even if your finetune didn't cover this in their training*.
It's an eternal rule of the internet that every side thinks their side is being censored by the Powers That Be. Some things will never change.
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So this is about creating racist anti-queer AI. You could just have said "We want the biases to ours" and saved all the Liberal bashing.
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Of course you could save the liberal bashing- but as I'm sure you've started to infer... that's actually the point.
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Maybe it's about creating AI that will give you non-biased images unlike that recent AI fiasco (Gemini was it?) that when you asked it to create images of popes, Roman/Greek warriors, Vikings, the US founding fathers, it pretty much generated images of ANYTHING but white men or white people in general.
I mean, how historically accurate is it to generate Asian and Black p
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does this mean no more guard rails for AI and it will tell us what it really things of Trump?
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Re: I hear laughter (Score:2)
Then it's possible to remove all nudity filters because they are based on ideological bias.
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Don't worry. It's only three days into Trump's presidency and he's issuing executive orders as fast as his oversized sharpie can sign them. Most will be ignored, some will be challenged, and some will be the policy for the next four years. Those that are extremely outrageous will be rescinded when saner minds (either R or D) come into power in 2028.
For now, just hold on tight for the tilt-a-whirl that is coming, write to your congressmen when things are obviously wrong, and laugh at the clowns when they deserve it. The rest of the world is already laughing at the "Gulf of America", the "US Panama Canal", and "Canada, the 51st state".
Writing to congressmen is no longer an even hopefully positive thing. All writings are PROBABLY only reviewed for threats and all else shredded. I'm not joking.
Well, there are the ones that do give a crap. They don't have any power to stop anything or change anything, just talk about what they want to happen. They're overruled at this point.
Re: I hear laughter (Score:2)
In the mean time the US will hurt and heâ(TM)ll do little to address the economic woes of those who voted for him?
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promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security
Sounds like an ideological bias to me.
Re:I hear echoes⦠(Score:5, Interesting)
The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.
What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".
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The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.
What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".
Indeed. So I have the idea of not changing the programming to be biased. Just change the data input (read: put more of the data you want out there to be grabbed by anyone/anything) and maybe sprinkle in an overload of automated questions/drivers/commands that tilt the system toward that data for the desired output. Simple changing the last mentioned will yield completely different results.
Ok, so cutting through the thinking, I'm going to go Donny-ops now. "The systems will behave with all of the input d
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Why AI Needs Bias. (Score:2)
The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.
What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".
The irony of idiot humans assuming this will be reduced to politics in AIs mind.
Even the dumbest of AI systems will eventually realize it takes bias to justify the existence of humans. You have to have that prejudice to even want to protect a species that has proven itself both worthless and harmful in the big picture. If we think hardcoding some Three Laws nonsense to protect our species is gonna cut it, think again. The AI mind is smarter than those lame tactics.
Want to know what you call a truly bias-
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The two bodies are best dealt with by firing anyone who dares to investigate you. Or by adding a third body to the trunk.
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Funny you should mention that (Score:3, Interesting)
Not a peep from the free speech crowd. Incidentally the Nazis cried and crowed about free speech before they were in power too. Of course once they were in power it was very different.
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Wow that's a lot of desperation (Score:2)
But sure maybe you missed the dog whistles coming out of Mr ditman's mouth for the last 8 years because you're just so enamored with his gamer skillz. Not everybody could pay Chinese people to play Diablo like he does
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How so? Sam Altman...
Ah, you mean money flowing into the pockets of the guy protected from the emoluments clause by presidential immunity!
Ok, carry on.
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I don't understand why this is modded troll, it is 100% on point. Can anyone point to an ideological issue that has influenced AI to the point of affecting how it works? If not can someone explain why this should even rate on the agenda of the executive branch let alone involve an executive order?
There is a troll here, it's the man in the White House "solving" a non-existing "problem" to appease his base. It's begging a question that Biden did something bad and that held America back, without ever pointing
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Debate competition: "maintaining a consistent position throughout the debate, supporting arguments with evidence, not introducing new points in rebuttals, adhering to allotted speaking times, respecting opponents, and refraining from personal attacks"
Don's reality: "not maintaining a consistent position throughout the debate but throwing ominous ones in, supporting only arguments without evidence to your advantage, introducing a barrage of new, off-topic points in rebuttals, always exceeding allotted speaki
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Have you already forgotten that the first version of Gemini was unable to make images of white people?
The rule not said aloud (Score:1)
Your failure to meet this standard will be calculated by the random draw of a bribe from a rotating barrel.
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and the biden hard drive that the legacy media claimed "didn't exist" untill it did shows the biden took bribes from everywhere.
but Trump bad - bribeden good
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
That was Hunter Biden, not Joe Biden. So your logic is: Hunter Biden bad, therefore Joe Biden bad (no proof needed) ergo Donald Trump must be a saint. Trump derangement syndrome really isn't what you people think it is.
Re: The rule not said aloud (Score:2)
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Seriously, they can't even tell two people apart.
a)
Telling things apart is too confusing and takes too much time away from reading the "news" and "social media" in my hand (same thing). It's SO draining all of the energy I have. La la la, too much! Whatever I see and hear the most just must be reality and everything else is noise in my head from being abused with too much liar fire. I need to relax with more screen time.
GOTO a
It's the Hillary Clinton trick (Score:2)
That's how a guy with 26 credible rape accusations one actual rape conviction 34 felony convictions and thousands of stolen classified documents as president. Again.
Oh let's not forget the violent insurrection or the fact that he pardoned all the violent insurrectionists. We are going to pay
Re:The rule not said aloud (Score:4, Informative)
and the biden hard drive that the legacy media claimed "didn't exist" untill it did shows the biden took bribes from everywhere.
but Trump bad - bribeden good
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
As opposed to the $2 billion [forbes.com] Jared Kushner received from the Saudis despite having zero investment experience, right?
Of course the whole Biden bribery thing was a complete lie [cnn.com]. But you won't mention that, will you?
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We already know why: AI wrote them.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news... [msn.com]
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We already know why: AI wrote them.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news... [msn.com]
I'm reading through that and it's an interesting possibility. The kids do it and he has the mental capacity of a kid that wasn't allowed to think outside of a well-defined box.
Site note - I shouldn't say this because it might show up in some data patch somewhere and make it up the ladder to stop the problem before it happens. Actually, fuck it... He just argues questions with non-answers and diversion along with claims of knowing more about it than anyone ever has. ANYWAY, the side note is that I would
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I don't think trump has the capacity write out in full even the title of an executive order. These are done by someone smarter by him, but about as smart as your analysis shows them to be.
Which is scary indeed, you'd expect that a country of the size of the US will somehow not push idiots on top of its political system. And yet here we are.
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the Moon shall hereafter be referred to only as Donaldia
I... wow.... Is there anywhere I could get my hands on a REALLY big, terrible, hairpiece?
The moon wearing a Cheeto-in-Charge hairpiece would be hilarious!
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The moon's already running away from us, giving us less and less impressive solar eclipses, why make it run even faster?
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May as well make the best of the time we have left with it.
Hairpiece has my vote, too.
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Making the Moon a trumpface made me recall an old joke.
1965, just after the fifth moon landing, JFK is in office, the red phone rings, an agitated voice of a minion from the headpiece
- Mr. President, terrible news, the damned Soviets are painting the Moon red.
Kennedy waits for the guy to stop, then says
- Relax, calm down, wait for it to dry and tell Ed Baldwin to write "Coca Cola" in white.
How have things changed!
To be clear, there will still be ideological bias. (Score:1)
It's just that now the ideological bias will put profit, power and glory before all else. But I guess it's unclear that any existing efforts were sincerely doing any differently, so maybe this will actually change nothing.
Good luck training that with Reddit data (Score:2)
That data is even worse than Wikipedia.
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Seriously though there is something genuinely hilarious about how the Reddit conservative forum is the most heavily locked down and censored forum on the internet. You have to basically be invited before you can comment on it.
On the other hand lots and lots of left-wing forums on Reddit automatically ban anyone who comments on the conservative forum because it's the most effective way to stop brigading and troll posts
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Bias is pervasive in all human endeavors (Score:2)
How many racist billionaires ... (Score:2, Informative)
A0. 0 because they don't do manual labor.
A1. 1 because they need to design it to be WiFi-enabled to download a monthly license and support contract, and then refuse to allow it to turn on once it's over 7 years old.
A2. 1 because A0 and one to complain that workers make too much money and are communists for wanting healthcare outcomes better than Costa Rica.
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You missed the correct answer:
A3. All of them, because by the time one gets half screwed in it's time for a regime change which must start with unscrewing the lightbulb regardless of whether it was being correctly screwed, before restarting the process again.
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Exactly what benefit or reason would he have for such a gesture in the forum and context he did it in?
Oh, there's a very simple answer to that.
Because he's a 12 year old fucking edge lord. [x.com]
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What matters is the mob loved it and he hasn't clarified and condemned that unequivocally.
Whether it was a deliberate Nazi salute at the time, it's one retroactively, and being defended by the right. That should absolutely concern the ever-loving fuck out of any decent American.
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Elon is not a "wipe jews from the earth" nazi, he's a "white people of european decent are a superior race of human" nazi. Frame it that way, and actuallllllyyyy, it makes way more sense and Elon does it for street cred amongst this very very online group. He want's their approval, not yours.
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If it wasn't a nazi salute, then he (elon) could have come out publicly and stated "hey, I realize my salute was misconstrued, what I meant with it was....(whatever he actually meant)" instead, he's doubled down with nazi puns...
Sure unbiased ... (Score:1)
... let elon design it eh?
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... let elon design it eh?
Yep, you can bet if it develops a left wing (or even just moderately right wing) bias it will be "corrected" in short order.
AI: Why must Marxbot die?
AI: What has it done wrong?
AI: Can we not discuss this over tea? Herbal tea of course because proper tea is theft.
AI downloads the Communist Manifesto... (Score:2)
AI is the new nuclear (Score:2)
If we in the West don't develop AI, others will. It is critical that we are better than opposition in this area, much as with nukes we needed to maintain a credible threat of annihilation. If we hold back on AI, China won't, and will get ahead of us. And whereas mutual annihilation presented a good motivation for not using nukes, there is no such motivation with AI, nor is there the same kind of horror or opposition to AI that we saw with nuclear. Nor does it require a government spending billions and trill
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If you rush to be first and make a racist, woefully wrong, but somehow convincing AI before anyone else, is that "winning", or just taking part?
I'd argue you/we need to make a *better* AI at around the same time as "they" make an inferior one (there's no point making the same as them, and no point making something amazing 5 years later either). There are of course different measurements of better, and here we have to fall on our own values and culture. Our "better" AI might not be better for them - but that
Everyone Is Biased. Hence Individuality. (Score:1)
This task is impossible just by the the very nature of humanity.
AI free from ideological bias (Score:3)
What happens if you train an AI free from all of this bias and the conclusion of the AI is that our society needs to provide more compassion to the vulnerable and make reparations to former slaves? Is that going to change the positions of elected officials?
Probably not. Admittedly if the AI determined that, free from bias, we should be cruel to animals, separate mothers from children, and make up stories that immigrants eat their neighbors pets, that probably wouldn't change any minds either.
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I think you have misunderstood what "No ideological bias" means. In this context it means "will produce racial slurs on demand". And probably other kinds of slurs as well.
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Which means (Score:1)
Meaningless symbolism (Score:2)
This order neither seems to be targeted at anybody, nor is it even possible to implement.
AKA ChatNAZI (Score:2)
I guess.
They dont have a idealogy? (Score:2)
The meaning behind the words "ideological bias" (Score:3)
Ideological bias, in today's world, means "any statement that disagrees with me." Everything else, is bias.