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Trump Signs Executive Order on Developing AI 'Free From Ideological Bias' 162

Posted by msmash from the tussle-continues dept.
President Donald Trump signed an executive order on AI Thursday that will revoke past government policies his order says "act as barriers to American AI innovation." From a report: To maintain global leadership in AI technology, "we must develop AI systems that are free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas," Trump's order says. The new order doesn't name which existing policies are hindering AI development but sets out to track down and review "all policies, directives, regulations, orders, and other actions taken" as a result of former President Joe Biden's sweeping AI executive order of 2023, which Trump rescinded Monday.

Any of those Biden-era actions must be suspended if they don't fit Trump's new directive that AI should "promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security." Last year, the Biden administration issued a policy directive that said U.S. federal agencies must show their artificial intelligence tools aren't harming the public, or stop using them. Trump's order directs the White House to revise and reissue those directives, which affect how agencies acquire AI tools and use them.

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Trump Signs Executive Order on Developing AI 'Free From Ideological Bias'

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  • I hear echoes⦠(Score:2, Interesting)

    by rgbe ( 310525 )

    echoes of Elon Musk.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by bjoast ( 1310293 )

      promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security

      Sounds like an ideological bias to me.

    • Re:I hear echoes⦠(Score:5, Interesting)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @04:45AM (#65114551) Homepage Journal

      The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.

      What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".

      • The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.

        What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".

        Indeed. So I have the idea of not changing the programming to be biased. Just change the data input (read: put more of the data you want out there to be grabbed by anyone/anything) and maybe sprinkle in an overload of automated questions/drivers/commands that tilt the system toward that data for the desired output. Simple changing the last mentioned will yield completely different results.

        Ok, so cutting through the thinking, I'm going to go Donny-ops now. "The systems will behave with all of the input d

      • The same thing will happen too. Musk's AI, Grok, turned out quote progressive. It even called out Musk for being a dick to his trans daughter, and affirmed transgender identities and rights.

        What Trump probably means is he wants AIs to be conservative, and anything that doesn't align with US Republican ideology is "bias".

        The irony of idiot humans assuming this will be reduced to politics in AIs mind.

        Even the dumbest of AI systems will eventually realize it takes bias to justify the existence of humans. You have to have that prejudice to even want to protect a species that has proven itself both worthless and harmful in the big picture. If we think hardcoding some Three Laws nonsense to protect our species is gonna cut it, think again. The AI mind is smarter than those lame tactics.

        Want to know what you call a truly bias-

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by shanen ( 462549 )

      Really weak and vacuous FP. And what was going on in your Subject? Yeah, I know it's Slashdot's fault but it's also rude to ignore the limitations of the readers...

      Now to look for the humor that is so thinly spread on today's Slashdot. Or some "insight" like "The truth will make you free, but the lies will make you president." Funny, I don't feel so free these years. I keep remembering that most of the personal wealth in America is owned by three puppeteers who were on stage with the orange puppet.

      Free from

  • Trump's new directive that AI should "promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security."

    Dumber than a shiat-covered stick. Twice as stoopid.

    Next executive order: Andromeda galaxy must cease and desist threatening America galaxy! (yes, Milky Way was renamed by EO earlier.)

    • We already know why: AI wrote them.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news... [msn.com]

      • We already know why: AI wrote them.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news... [msn.com]

        I'm reading through that and it's an interesting possibility. The kids do it and he has the mental capacity of a kid that wasn't allowed to think outside of a well-defined box.

        Site note - I shouldn't say this because it might show up in some data patch somewhere and make it up the ladder to stop the problem before it happens. Actually, fuck it... He just argues questions with non-answers and diversion along with claims of knowing more about it than anyone ever has. ANYWAY, the side note is that I would

        • I don't think trump has the capacity write out in full even the title of an executive order. These are done by someone smarter by him, but about as smart as your analysis shows them to be.

          Which is scary indeed, you'd expect that a country of the size of the US will somehow not push idiots on top of its political system. And yet here we are.

          • I don't think trump has the capacity write out in full even the title of an executive order. These are done by someone smarter by him, but about as smart as your analysis shows them to be.

            Which is scary indeed, you'd expect that a country of the size of the US will somehow not push idiots on top of its political system. And yet here we are.

            *sigh*

            Okay, I read what you said and I got a little spark in the back of my head that reminded me of something that is completely non-real, wouldn't work, has no basis in reality, but when I think about it, it SADLY actually has some sense to it.

            What I said years ago:
            This fucking system of idiots making $$$ and the intelligent and crafty ones that keep everything going is BS. I have a plan to resolve this and it needs to be put into action immediately (in the middle of the night, sans anyone's knowledge)..

            • I don't know if it is that simple.

              The problem here is abstraction. Once upon a time, the person who was hammering the iron had concrete knowledge of how and bartered for his wares. Then he figured out that he could hire unqualified help and do only the most tricky parts, which left him with free time and more money. The smarter ones began spending the extra free time on optimizations, eventually producing a machine, abstracting most of the labor into it and selling or renting it for money. Then that guy abs

              • I don't know if it is that simple.

                The problem here is abstraction. Once upon a time, the person who was hammering the iron had concrete knowledge of how and bartered for his wares. Then he figured out that he could hire unqualified help and do only the most tricky parts, which left him with free time and more money. The smarter ones began spending the extra free time on optimizations, eventually producing a machine, abstracting most of the labor into it and selling or renting it for money. Then that guy abstracted the stock of machinery into papers, which sold for money. Then someone abstracted the papers of that single company, so that you could buy not the people, not the facilities, not the managers, not even the stock, but guesses on future profits, or other desirable bits and pieces of that stock. Then these bits and pieces then began a life of their own, they were made to be mixed and matched, even further detaching the reality of economic life from the ownership and money management. As usual, the higher up the abstraction layer chain you were, the more money you could command simply because you didn't need to bother with the details.

                So, if you want to turn the pyramid around, you have to consider a new abstraction that will disallow the excessive influence of money concentration on reality.

                It ain't an easy task, though.

                True. Very true. The only thing I'm thinking of this day and age is to stop worrying about energy - fusion. But, since the brains of this generation bracket haven't become more than an animal with animal behavior (but we present it as so much more); the discoverer will not be the next Tesla that transforms the future of the world. Well, they'll just mash and distort by coming up with the end result being almost free energy (nothing is free, but you know what I mean). Instead of releasing it to the worl

          • Trump has always been the useful idiot. He's easily manipulated and looked at like a cult leader.

    • War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. And the Moon shall hereafter be referred to only as Donaldia and Tuesday will be known as Johnsday.

      • the Moon shall hereafter be referred to only as Donaldia

        I... wow.... Is there anywhere I could get my hands on a REALLY big, terrible, hairpiece?

        The moon wearing a Cheeto-in-Charge hairpiece would be hilarious!

        • The moon's already running away from us, giving us less and less impressive solar eclipses, why make it run even faster?

          • Well it sure as hell isn't going to turn around and com back (uhhhh, do we want it to?)
            May as well make the best of the time we have left with it.

            Hairpiece has my vote, too.

            • Making the Moon a trumpface made me recall an old joke.

              1965, just after the fifth moon landing, JFK is in office, the red phone rings, an agitated voice of a minion from the headpiece
              - Mr. President, terrible news, the damned Soviets are painting the Moon red.
              Kennedy waits for the guy to stop, then says
              - Relax, calm down, wait for it to dry and tell Ed Baldwin to write "Coca Cola" in white.

              How have things changed!

        • The moon wearing a Cheeto-in-Charge hairpiece would be hilarious!

          I just tried asking Gemini to create an image like that. It demured:

          I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now.

          To be fair, it had the same response when I asked it to make the moon + hairpiece look like Joe Biden.

    • I think that was immediately after the EO that notified the world that the bodies to the East/West of the US would now be called the Left America Ocean and Right America Ocean. All maps must be modified using a Sharpee immediately.

  • That data is even worse than Wikipedia.

    • Just pointed at r/Conservative only. You'll have a neo-Nazi AI in no time.

      Seriously though there is something genuinely hilarious about how the Reddit conservative forum is the most heavily locked down and censored forum on the internet. You have to basically be invited before you can comment on it.

      On the other hand lots and lots of left-wing forums on Reddit automatically ban anyone who comments on the conservative forum because it's the most effective way to stop brigading and troll posts
      • Which ones? I posted a few comments on r/conservative to earn my "gtfo with your facts and calling out our hypocrisy" ban; never got autobanned from a left wing sub for it. Lots of heavy posters from that sub whine about getting downvoted to oblivion, but they can post until they say something overtly obscene etc. I criticize the few left wing positions that I disagree with without getting banned either.

      • You can't even post on that sub because of how heavily moderated it is.

  • Bias is pervasive in all human endeavors (Score:3, Informative)

    by sinkskinkshrieks ( 6952954 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @03:22AM (#65114443)
    Anyone claiming to be "unbiased" is always lying. Right now though, LLMs have a larger (pun intended) BS problem. Creating a system for automating real, reliable, meta-analytical research would be incredibly worthwhile.

    • There are degrees of bias. Of course everyone is biased by their experience - that's how we learn and there is no avoiding it. Typically, when we talk about bias we're talking about opinions that override the explicit criteria for making a decision, or cause one to ignore facts contrary to those opinions. Maybe not quite as strong as what we'd call 'prejudice', but more or less the same thing.

  • Q. How many racist billionaires does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    A0. 0 because they don't do manual labor.
    A1. 1 because they need to design it to be WiFi-enabled to download a monthly license and support contract, and then refuse to allow it to turn on once it's over 7 years old.
    A2. 1 because A0 and one to complain that workers make too much money and are communists for wanting healthcare outcomes better than Costa Rica.

    • You missed the correct answer:
      A3. All of them, because by the time one gets half screwed in it's time for a regime change which must start with unscrewing the lightbulb regardless of whether it was being correctly screwed, before restarting the process again.

  • If we in the West don't develop AI, others will. It is critical that we are better than opposition in this area, much as with nukes we needed to maintain a credible threat of annihilation. If we hold back on AI, China won't, and will get ahead of us. And whereas mutual annihilation presented a good motivation for not using nukes, there is no such motivation with AI, nor is there the same kind of horror or opposition to AI that we saw with nuclear. Nor does it require a government spending billions and trillions to make and maintain AI systems.

    • If you rush to be first and make a racist, woefully wrong, but somehow convincing AI before anyone else, is that "winning", or just taking part?

      I'd argue you/we need to make a *better* AI at around the same time as "they" make an inferior one (there's no point making the same as them, and no point making something amazing 5 years later either). There are of course different measurements of better, and here we have to fall on our own values and culture. Our "better" AI might not be better for them - but that

  • AI free from ideological bias (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ed Tice ( 3732157 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @07:03AM (#65114709)
    Requires training data free from ideological bias. I guess you could do this by first teaching the LLM critical race theory and having it expunge racial bias from it's own training data. Doing so as a means of complying with this directive would probably be very effective as well as providing great enjoyment from the irony.

    What happens if you train an AI free from all of this bias and the conclusion of the AI is that our society needs to provide more compassion to the vulnerable and make reparations to former slaves? Is that going to change the positions of elected officials?

    Probably not. Admittedly if the AI determined that, free from bias, we should be cruel to animals, separate mothers from children, and make up stories that immigrants eat their neighbors pets, that probably wouldn't change any minds either.

    • I think you have misunderstood what "No ideological bias" means. In this context it means "will produce racial slurs on demand". And probably other kinds of slurs as well.

      • Wouldn't that depend on the training data? It would be interesting to train an AI only on speeches from the current crop of Republicans and see what happens.

  • Meaningless symbolism (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @08:26AM (#65114861)

    This order neither seems to be targeted at anybody, nor is it even possible to implement.

    • This order neither seems to be targeted at anybody, nor is it even possible to implement.

      Of course it is. This is Trump we're talking about. The only thing not meaningless symbolism is something he stands to profit from personally.

  • I guess.

  • As far as they are concerned they are right. Of course muskie and the orange tumor both have different versions of right. It wont stop them from making the kind of AI that tries to kill off humanity. Can you imagine a actual AI with their malignant selfish natures?

  • The meaning behind the words "ideological bias" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @09:11AM (#65114995) Homepage

    Ideological bias, in today's world, means "any statement that disagrees with me." Everything else, is bias.

    • Ideological bias, in today's world, means "any statement that disagrees with me." Everything else, is bias.

      Personally, I think we want our AI superintelligences to have a very strong ideological bias, one that favors helping humanity not, you know, wiping us out because we're annoying. Or because the AIs don't care at all about us but find it inconvenient that the Earth has an atmosphere.

      • In other words, you want it to match *your* ideological bias.

        • In other words, you want it to match *your* ideological bias.

          Yeah, I have a very strong ideological bias in favor of human survival.

          • You didn't say anything about survival, you said "helping humanity." People have very different opinions (biases) about what it means to "help" humanity.

            Of course, we agree on the survival thing (but it's still a bias).

            • I thought the "not wiping us out" part clarified my meaning adequately.

              The actual situation is that we don't know how to control the goals of our AIs. We don't even know how to discover the goals of or AIs except by observing their behavior -- and we've already seen cases of AI models lying to avoid being shut down, so we can't assume that what we learn by observing their behavior is the truth. We don't understand the models well enough to be able to introspect them.

              But it's actually even worse than th

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by pr0nbot ( 313417 )

      Go to the free AI chat on DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=&ia=chat), pick one of the models (I only tried gpt4o-mini), and ask it how many sexes there are.

      It tells you two, plus a caveat re: intersex, a bit about chromosomes, and then adds on a swathe of stuff about the distinction between sex and gender, gender identity, nonbinary and genderqueer etc.

      It's informative I suppose, and I wouldn't say it's especially pushing gender ideology, except insofar as raising it at all strikes me as

      • First, tell the AI how you would like it to respond. Then ask questions. This is like not knowing how to use a search engine and complaining about bad results.

        Just say "Answer as short as possible to provide an accurate answer."

        I did that and it only said "Biologically, there are typically two sexes: male and female. However, intersex variations also exist." using GPT-4o on duckduckgo.

  • Humans are incapable of this. They just are flat out incapable. Anything written by a person will have the influence of that person.

    It just means we'll have hateful nazi AI.

  • From https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]

    During that same session in the Oval Office, a reporter asked Trump whether his executive order governing “unlawful disclosure by federal officials” was related to Hunter Biden. “No, I think it’s just more general than that. It’s not Hunter Biden,” came Trump’s breezy reply. The actual text of the order Trump signed says otherwise: It strips security clearances from former officials who issued “a letter discrediting the re

  • contradictory rules? (Score:3)

    by MooseTick ( 895855 ) on Friday January 24, 2025 @11:31AM (#65115323) Homepage

    1. "we must develop AI systems that are free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas,"

    2. AI should "promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security."

    It seems line #2 violates line #1.

  • Does this mean that AI will need to eliminate bias based on skin tone or economic issues? Visual analysis has often misidentified individuals with darker skin tones. If this order is designed to prevent this, that's great, though I am unsure how it will achieve that goal.

    Good luck with the overall goal of eliminating bias, since there is something about AI that tends towards a goal, and that in itself is a bias. What is or isn't ideological is up for interpretation.

  • Day by day, America is dying. Step 1: Cause rifts. Step 2: Alienate us from our allies. Step 3: Cause lawlessness and chaos.

  • Talk about the hallucinations.
    Feed it everything he has said. Since he lies constantly, and facts are available, this would be quite the conundrum.
    Since he contradicts himself, this would also be an issue.
    Lol. Yeah. Go for it.

  • ChatGPT and all the like software must not regurgitate all the conspiracy theories and fake news rather than what is true. Being True, scientific, or logical, is a media bias, and should be the only bias ever allowed. The new edict is likely because the Liar-In-Chief doesn't want to be corrected by a computer. In fact that would be the best use of AI at the moment, just to keep up with the new administration.

  • By and large, the majority of the developed world supports values that are considered "progressive."

    Because LLMs are trained on everything that is out there online, and everything out there on online leans towards progressive, that's what they learn.

    America tilts heavily towards minority rule, so there is this perception amongst that minority that AI is "biased" but it is in fact just reflecting majority opinion.
  • But isn’t it ideologically biased to say that AI should be developed without ideological bias? I think AI should be developed whichever way the free market and economics decides. If the market decides to develop, and customers prefer, AI with ideological bias then that is a win for capitalism and small government. Amirite Republicans?

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